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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 08:29:00 -
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While I think considered me a hostile is the right decision, I must object to the reason and the method.
- There has been no form of diplomacy preceding the declaration, nor any form of terms offered (I could easily accept terms similar to those offered to the imperialist NBSI standings enclosurist organization known as Daisho Syndicate).
- I consider the reason given dishonest. I believe the reason for the declaration of hostility is due to my opposition of Star Fraction notables on the summit and my stance on Imperialism and/or Freespace is irrelevant to the declaration.
Has there been a formal vote about this matter, or are declarations like this considered unimportant enough to be pushed through by the pilots with authority in Star Fraction? And if they are considered relatively unimportant, why post them on IGS and not simply mail me and Lord Murkon privately?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 16:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Jade Constantine
You have not been offered terms because we simply don't trust a word you say. Whereas the diplomatic team of Daisho Syndicate have displayed a capacity to negotiate and arrange with some (and increasing) good faith. You have done nothing in your long years of service to amarrian nationalism but tell lies and behave with incredible dishonesty in space and on the summit. Your word quite literally means nothing.
I have never broken my word on any diplomatic agreement, let alone any diplomatic agreement with Star Fraction. If you do not trust me to keep my word on any diplomatic agreement it must be based on impressions. Just recently Star Fraction stated they care much about impressions, but focused on facts instead. Has that changed?
Additionally, I regularly see you calling many of your opponents dishonest and liars. As recent as yesterday you called Admiral Grr a bare-faced liar. I always assumed you were merely posturing. Disagreement is no reason to refuse diplomacy. If I can practice diplomacy with people that deny the existence of God (to me obviously a lie), shouldn't you be able to do the same?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/04/2010 18:03:07
Originally by: Jade Constantine
CVA pilot Grr IS a bare faced liar and has been for many many years. As indeed are you and many other Amarrian nationalists. The consequence for the habitual dishonesty of the Amarrian nationalist bloc is that its generally impossible to conduct meaningful diplomacy with you.
Ms. Constantine, I am still awaiting the factual evidence of all these countless times those loyalist 'snakes' (as you call them, I was quite sure they were dogs before) broke their diplomatic agreements with Star Fraction. You keep continuing to produce opinions, but I'm quite sure most people on the IGS know your opinion about loyalists and are far more interested in the facts.
Here, I'll produce one for you to show how its done:
Fact: Star Fraction set three corporations to hostile without any attempt at diplomacy.
I remember you setting some 50+ Amarr Militia corporations to hostile in thread similar to this one. Could you perhaps share how many of these entities you contacted diplomatically to resolve the issue before your declaration? 100%, 50%, 10% or even 0%? Such facts will no doubt do wonders in clearing up the rumored Star Fraction preference for diplomacy over coercion.
Additionally, because *you* are not able to conduct meaningful diplomacy with Amarrian loyalists, does not mean it cannot be done. The facts indicate that Amarrian loyalists have conducted many successfull diplomatic missions over the years. These facts suggest that the problem lies within you, rather than with the Amarrian loyalists. I understand practicing diplomacy is hard with an ego as expansive as your own and a chip on your shoulder the size of a mountain range, that is perhaps why you should delegate this task to one of your many equals in the Star Fraction organization.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Merdaneth on 18/04/2010 18:14:46
Originally by: Jade Constantine
How do I respond? Well, in due consideration of your IGS posting history, your associations, verbal style and the purpose of your propaganda (and indeed intervention and linkage to a discredited thread launched by another foe of the fraction) I respond by condemning you as an obvious false flag operation owned and operated by Mizhara Del'thul of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics.
Fact: Jade Constantine refuses to support her allegations with facts because the person asking is is suspected by her to work for another.
Fact: Jade Constatine refuses to refute accusations about her own lies because the person asking is is suspected by her to work for another.
It is really quite easy, ms. Constantine, to come up with facts. Practice more?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.18 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deshat Mehatek
Can you provide any evidence of this? Any solid, conclusive facts to support your accusation?
Just the appearance of being thus is enough for the likes of the Free Captains of the Star Fraction:
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Lucky the Free Captains of the Star Fraction are not so knee-jerk reactionary on the issue of "appearances" then isn't it.
Oh, was that an inappropriate quote?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:15:00 -
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Cosmopolite,
You continue to bark up the wrong tree. Lord Murkon (and myself) are not complaining about that we are your enemy. We are complaining about the manner in which you declare your enemies. Because the way you do so in practice doesn't conform to the way you say you declare enemies.
Simply put, Star Fraction continually tries to claim some kind of moral high ground by formulating all kinds of abstract rules and principles violation of which would make one SF's enemy. The problem is, that at the end of the day all those vaunted principles boil down to 'if we don't like you, we declare you hostile', and 'if we don't like you, we won't even offer a diplomatic solution'.
Just leave out all that nonsense about 'logistics support for the expansion of the Empire' and all those other principles and rules you don't really stand for. Be honest and clear for once. That way you don't have to twist and contort each time someone points out a contradiction and your CEO can just continue dating a mass-murdering slaver without having to come up with artificial 'public/private' distinctions and the like.
By now the list of Star Fraction exceptions, escape-clauses, contradictory rulings and assorted odd arguments are longer than the complete Amarrian scriptures.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.19 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tetseptus
...And surely it is worthy of note that Star Fraction changed standings in response to standings being made red to Star Fraction.
Indeed. However note that Angel Wing has not and will not set Star Fraction to red in response to being declared hostile by Star Fraction itself.
I will contact Star Fraction members privately to explain these reasons, as is customary and proper with diplomacy.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 16:38:00 -
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This thread seems to have gone somewhat off-topic with all the insults and challenges which have nothing to do with either Angel Wing or the SPCS.
As an inquiring mind I would like to know what does a spaceship duels actually achieve or prove?
If one is beaten, is one's argument suddenly invalid? Or should I see it more like a release of tension and build-up anger between parties so that after they've beaten each other to pulp, they can approach each other as friends again?
I would sincerely suggest to duel in frigates instead of battleships so as not to waste the lives of many of the crew.
Additionally, my respect for mr. Havohej has grown, for even if he is a foul terrorist and psychopathic murderer, at least his responses are consistent.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
The fact the participants put their guns, resources and time on the line to back up what they say.
Spaceships are cheap.
Good satire, now that's expensive.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Try answering some questions before hurling meaningless drivel.
Love, talking about Archbishop, you're simply asking the impossible.
Heretic Neferis, unless you have something to contribute that is worth reading for anyone but ms. Constantine, I suggest you stay out of threads that don't concern you.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.05.04 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The Fruit Flys
PESTS
24 hour notification of hostile standings. (CVA aligned false flag entity).
I assume without having engaged in diplomacy with The Fruit Flys, and with denying the The Fruit Flys a diplomatic solution, and without any act of aggression on part of The Fruit Flys in space?
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