Originally by: Soulita

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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About time NRDS died.

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I will just ignore the silly part of your quote, little one.

About NRDS:
- Player policed space, a much more interesting concept than AI concord.
- Possibility to kill without certain concordoken
- Interesting possibilities for pirates
- Interesting possibilities for non-group players
etc.

NRDS was one castle in the sandbox that is eve, that got erased for now.
Personally, I regret that. I think it was a pretty cool castle.

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Originally by: Super Whopper

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This agreement has already been reached.

Three fails, keep at it.

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Originally by: Danton Marcellus

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NRDS is playing EVE in hardcore mode, anyone can shoot everything, willingly playing EVE with one hand tied behind your back takes some balls.

Respect CVA.

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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About time NRDS died. Carebears shouldnt be in null sec unless you earn it.

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This agreement has already been reached.

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I think I'll join the NC and set up a NRDS haven right in the middle of Deklein.

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Three fails, keep at it.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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we're not NRDS, but our stations are open for anyone who wants to go to our pocket.

and that means pirate and carebear alike so bring your own protection

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Originally by: Super Whopper

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Do they operate NRDS or not?

Three fails, keep at it.

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Originally by: silentalleycat

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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Sad indeed

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Agreed. Let's look at the situation : In highsec, carebears are protected by CONCORD, superpowered NPC terminators off doom. They can make decent money of living there and barely lose any ships to other players if they know not to do stupid things like actually fall for a can flip of fly a Hulk during Hulkageddon, undock at Jita, no warp anywhere and go AFK to drink a coffee.

Anywhere else in existence : A finely tuned intelligence network of cloak scouting ships stationed at key gates and systems of the EVE world coupled with either experienced solo and small group pirates or large alliance blob fleets are just sitting there waiting for carebears and small time pvpers to show up and get obliterated if they aren't smart enough to run back in highsec or fall into yet other ambush territory. The 0.0 welcoming party is ruthlessly effective, most of the time outnumbers anything they come across, have much more PvP experience yielded for 7 years of practice, have more skillpoints and are de facto better at everything, have better stuff, know the layout of the area much better than their prey, can farm the local valuable 0.0 sites for a profit much more important than the high sec carebear, meaning they can replace ships and equipment more easily, can count on the assistance of other alliances they are friends with most of the time to bring all the mentioned above, doubled or tripled if the carebears or new pvpers are insisting on trying to colonize a small chunk of 0.0 space which they consider 'their tuff'.

Even if really death remains a slap of the wrist in this game if you know how to grind your money back effectively and minimized lost, going into lowsec and 0.0 or/and doing so flying expensive tech 2 ship and equipment AND keep doing it after losing 9 times out of 10 truly takes some insane determination and guts and really for most is not an enjoyable experience. It's like being a new player of Halo 3 dropping into high skilled level death match, but where everyone stars with the BR, you have a pistol, half your team disconnects as the match begins and you don't know the map. Only difference is logging into that game took you 3 minutes, dying horribly to the enemy 15 times took 5 minutes including re spawn, whereas doing the same thing in EVE took you days of ISK grinding, ship building, and the process of respawning and ready to go in the fray again taking up to several hours or days again.

When faced with this reality, it is no wonder that most of the playerbase sits in high sec to this day and have been branded carebears for mining and running missions all day long, which is the only activities they can have some peace doing, and even then, greifers are always looking for them.

And then you guys go ahead and campaign to exterminate NRDS, possibly the one thing that could actually have helped migrate more players into 0.0. All my EVE life, I have made dozens on incursions in 0.0 with my corp mates. about 90% of those ended within the hour to some random blob showing up and forcing us to retreat. Trapped in high sec, I had to lived through 2 corporations complete breakdown because everyone either join an already existing 0.0 alliance or left the game entirely. Of the former, 80% said the alliance they join were basically *******s and wishes we could make something happen with their actual friends from the 'good old corp' now erased. The fact is, it's become almost impossible for a new corp of players mostly 3 months to 1 year old, that have experienced the beginner content and wish to see the high end 0.0 life to actually do just that without first teaming to a group of strangers and look after 'the alliance's interests' instead of doing things their way. I AM SICK OF IT!

/rage

Originally by: Marlona Sky

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"I am going to send you a nice fruit basket. I'm gonna miss him!"

+1 Internetz point to whoever can tell me what actor and movie the above quote is from.

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Originally by: cordy

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Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.

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Originally by: HIghlord Diamond

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Agreed. Let's look at the situation : In highsec, carebears are protected by CONCORD, superpowered NPC terminators off doom. They can make decent money of living there and barely lose any ships to other players if they know not to do stupid things like actually fall for a can flip of fly a Hulk during Hulkageddon, undock at Jita, no warp anywhere and go AFK to drink a coffee.

Anywhere else in existence : A finely tuned intelligence network of cloak scouting ships stationed at key gates and systems of the EVE world coupled with either experienced solo and small group pirates or large alliance blob fleets are just sitting there waiting for carebears and small time pvpers to show up and get obliterated if they aren't smart enough to run back in highsec or fall into yet other ambush territory. The 0.0 welcoming party is ruthlessly effective, most of the time outnumbers anything they come across, have much more PvP experience yielded for 7 years of practice, have more skillpoints and are de facto better at everything, have better stuff, know the layout of the area much better than their prey, can farm the local valuable 0.0 sites for a profit much more important than the high sec carebear, meaning they can replace ships and equipment more easily, can count on the assistance of other alliances they are friends with most of the time to bring all the mentioned above, doubled or tripled if the carebears or new pvpers are insisting on trying to colonize a small chunk of 0.0 space which they consider 'their tuff'.

Even if really death remains a slap of the wrist in this game if you know how to grind your money back effectively and minimized lost, going into lowsec and 0.0 or/and doing so flying expensive tech 2 ship and equipment AND keep doing it after losing 9 times out of 10 truly takes some insane determination and guts and really for most is not an enjoyable experience. It's like being a new player of Halo 3 dropping into high skilled level death match, but where everyone stars with the BR, you have a pistol, half your team disconnects as the match begins and you don't know the map. Only difference is logging into that game took you 3 minutes, dying horribly to the enemy 15 times took 5 minutes including re spawn, whereas doing the same thing in EVE took you days of ISK grinding, ship building, and the process of respawning and ready to go in the fray again taking up to several hours or days again.

When faced with this reality, it is no wonder that most of the playerbase sits in high sec to this day and have been branded carebears for mining and running missions all day long, which is the only activities they can have some peace doing, and even then, greifers are always looking for them.

And then you guys go ahead and campaign to exterminate NRDS, possibly the one thing that could actually have helped migrate more players into 0.0. All my EVE life, I have made dozens on incursions in 0.0 with my corp mates. about 90% of those ended within the hour to some random blob showing up and forcing us to retreat. Trapped in high sec, I had to lived through 2 corporations complete breakdown because everyone either join an already existing 0.0 alliance or left the game entirely. Of the former, 80% said the alliance they join were basically *******s and wishes we could make something happen with their actual friends from the 'good old corp' now erased. The fact is, it's become almost impossible for a new corp of players mostly 3 months to 1 year old, that have experienced the beginner content and wish to see the high end 0.0 life to actually do just that without first teaming to a group of strangers and look after 'the alliance's interests' instead of doing things their way. I AM SICK OF IT!

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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About time NRDS died. Carebears shouldnt be in null sec unless you earn it.

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Originally by: Super Whopper

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Originally by: Super Whopper

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NRDS will be restored in Providence. UK and the new sov holders have already agreed to NRDS and the ability of new players venturing into Providence to make a living.

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Euhm unless i really missed something, i am 99% sure that is complete BS. Maybe 10% or so will be NRDS.

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This agreement has already been reached.

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Originally by: Randall Alba

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Paxton Federation will continue to operate our normal NRDS policies.

I am led to believe that Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction will also follow NRDS. There are however some major differences of interpretation of how NRDS works between PXF and these other organisations.

If you are currently neutral to PXF our pilots will not fire upon you and where practicable our pilots will assist neutrals against hostile forces. We do not have the resources of Concord so our space must be considered unsafe. It's just that you can be sure that the main residents will not shoot you unless you have committed hostile acts against us, our allies or the other resident neutral organisations.

Our red list is quite extensive, I suggest checking it prior to entering our area of operations to avoid any unpleasant surprises.

PXF Standing list

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Originally by: Roastedpot

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why are we red?

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Originally by: Randall Alba

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Originally by: Roastedpot

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why are we red?

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Let me think, could it be

You're NBSI in the Operation Deliverance area ?

You're occupying stations that we taken from our friends and allies ?

You declared a Concord sanctioned war on PXF ?

You are currently actively shooting at PXF pilots ?

Little things like that do tend to make us consider people hostile.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Picky, picky, picky...
Next thing you know they will be declaring US red as well.

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I only counted 2 out of 4, maybe it takes more, who knows?

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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Unfortunately for you CVA lovers, they also liked being slavers. ie space police slavers. This led to them being in direct confrontation with the anti-slaver Ushra'Khan, which, coupled with their desire to make all of EVE a space police slaver paradise, ultimately led to their downfall. Others in the Provibloc weren't slavers but loved CVA anyway. So, they had to go too.

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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Ushra'Khan doesn't confuse a Not Red Don't Shoot (NRDS) Rule of Engangement (ROE) with a desire to play space police.

CVA and most of the Provibloc cut their teeth being anti-pirates in Domain, ie space police. So, turning Providence into their space police playground was just an extension of this.

Unfortunately for you CVA lovers, they also liked being slavers. ie space police slavers. This led to them being in direct confrontation with the anti-slaver Ushra'Khan, which, coupled with their desire to make all of EVE a space police slaver paradise, ultimately led to their downfall. Others in the Provibloc weren't slavers but loved CVA anyway. So, they had to go too.

Like I said, don't confuse NRDS with being anti-pirate.

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Originally by: Sellmewarez

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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...This led to them being in direct confrontation with the anti-slaver Ushra'Khan, which, coupled with their desire to make all of EVE a space police slaver paradise, ultimately led to their downfall...

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I lolled.

They eventually lost their space because they did something stupid and angered a much larger capital force than themselves, AAA.

Make no mistake mouth breathing (IC) mimmatar slaves (/IC) had nothing to do with that, you simply rode on the coat tails of something that was an inevitability anyway.

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Kinda'Shujaa - the Ushra'Khan Faction Warfare Detachment

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 20/04/2010 15:39:20

Originally by: Sellmewarez

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Originally by: Kade Jeekin

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...This led to them being in direct confrontation with the anti-slaver Ushra'Khan, which, coupled with their desire to make all of EVE a space police slaver paradise, ultimately led to their downfall...

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I lolled.

They eventually lost their space because they did something stupid and angered a much larger capital force than themselves, AAA.

Make no mistake mouth breathing (IC) mimmatar slaves (/IC) had nothing to do with that, you simply rode on the coat tails of something that was an inevitability anyway.

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Question: How did CVA justify expanding into Against ALL Authorities' backyard?
Answer: Expansion of Operation Deliverance (Space Police Slavers Imperialism), and because .-A-. harboured Ushra'Khan.

CVA fell not because they angered Against ALL Authorities, whose anger was dispelled when they took DG, but because they wouldn't promise Against ALL Authorities that they would stop trying to expand into Against ALL Authorities' back yard. i.e. they wouldn't stop being Space Police Slaver Imperialists.

Edit: Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that NRDS doesn't mean anti-pirate.

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Originally by: Marlona Sky

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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing

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Carebears shouldnt be in null sec unless you earn it.

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/me tosses TheLordofAllandNothing a mirror

"I am going to send you a nice fruit basket. I'm gonna miss him!"

+1 Internetz point to whoever can tell me what actor and movie the above quote is from.

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Originally by: Aaron

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I only skimmed throught this thread, forgive me if ive missed the point.

I think CVA needs to reinvent itself, bottom line is you gotta be tough if your operating under NRDS. your fleet tactics need to be flawless and you need lots of numbers, what CVA achieved is great over the years.

CVA, dont give up hope, this is a game remember anything is possible. Find somwhere to re-group and collect resources, analyse the game, analyse fleet compositions, find some dudes who are good at maths and get to work.

Good luck CVA I hope you can rise again.

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