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Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.19 19:11:00 - [1] This thread is awesome.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 12:31:00 - [2] The trolling in this thread is awesome.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Zofran rant skipped We thought he is exploiter. We found exploit. Now its CCP's turn to take action. From time to time we have random smartasses in this thread posting some nonsense.Its normal. Calm down take a deep breath and ingest some prozak. Then there'll be some chance that you wont fall victim to your Froidian complexes again. It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing? What else can this amazing team of "bughunters" from the ever-ru site do with the eve client in 24 hours?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:52:00 - [4] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 13:55:07 Originally by: Razin Originally by: Xtover It still irks me just how quickly it went from "possible exploit" to "we can duplicate it." How long was it, less than a day, before someone was able to do the exact same thing? Because it took you much longer? Or because you couldn't do it if your life depended on it? Exactly how do you judge how long something like this should take? Neither, because of the ease in which it was done. Makes you wonder, when you think you have TS spies, maybe they're in your fleet chat, unseen. When you see that red using your JB different things like that... Apparently if any of these "not macro users" wanted, they could anipulate the client to do many things... example: I'm at a bank, and someone gets trapped in a vault. The dude next to me who was waiting on line runs over and in 10 seconds cracks open the safe. I ask him, "do you work for the company that makes safes?" and he says, "nah I'm just talented. Don't worry I never crack open safes"
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:06:27 Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Tul Kezad nmap? btw posting in epic thread Why ! Now i have to come up with different question . Ah well, win32 programmer, tell me whats so wrong with a++ + ++a you two need to go wave your nerd e-peens somewhere else. you're both being annoying. edit: damn even that's censored?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Certero Originally by: Xtover you're both being annoying. same as you mate. why don't you go make a macro about it?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Ranka Mei Perhaps the most shocking thing I learnt in this thread, though, is that CCP is very, very lazy. One can apparently talk about exploits one has developed and used, about client-side manipulation of packet traffic, script-injecting, etc., without CCP so much as blinking. I know they're always more about the the bottom-line (making money) than fair gameplay, but I think they reached an all-time low in this thread. Welcome to the deep-end; it's always deeper than you think. You have to be an idiot to think this is not a MAJOR issue over at CCP right now. Do you know why this thread is still open, and why no dev has posted in it? Because they don't want to try to sweep it under like the T20 incident. Stop criticizing what they are doing by allowing discussion of this, regardless of why they are doing it.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:47:00 - [8] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:48:37 Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 14:47:43 Originally by: Caine Dreamwalker Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey I'm so so so so happy to tell you that monkey has no kills since 18th April so you are a macro user? The gloating I see is more like a "haha we win" mentality that only makes you look like you are.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Why should I use http debugging tools when I deal with automotive production lines TCP / IP communication with PLCs, robots, lasers, operator panels and similar? I bet you get all the chicks.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 17:59:00 - [10] put them on youtube.

Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 18:43:00 - [11] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 18:44:03 Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: baltec1 Riddle me this batman. Just how many of those empty systems you passed through looking for ratters were really empty? Most likely all of em. Otherwise Monkey killing spree is unexplainable. See, pro-botters are like some small secret circle, just like crackers etc. It a subculture within subculture. And know what happens when one in small subculture catches AIDS ? I saw this happen with moscow LARP community. EVERYONE WENT TO SEE A DOCTOR. Same with cheats. Actually its got me thinking. I have quite a few times come across systems with nobody in but had wrecks on scanner or a few cans. At the time I put it down to lazy people who just didnt bother to salvage everything before logging off or leaving system. But now, now I wonder if any of those systems may have had someone in there. It's possible even the botters knew of this exploit...that way if it got out they'd know exactly how to duplicate it to show to people. genius. the thing is, everyone in the game is now equally suspect.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:37:00 - [12] Originally by: sih noh Edited by: sih noh on 22/04/2010 21:28:29 http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3691&highlight=scanner explanation of what monkey does, from a victim youl have to decipher the rusglish hello everyone! i have a problem with bot killers. i believe not only me. the problem is: then hostile enter the system bot run on NotWhiteListPilot to SSpot(pos in my example). If bot arrive to SSpot while hostile in local, bot switch to wait some time in ss after hostile leave local. But if hostile leave local while bot IN Warp to SS, bot didn't switch to WAIT and warp to NEXT belt or even FIRST Belt in list. So what we have summary: Hostile enter system, warp to any belt and logoff in warp. Bot run to SS cause Hostile enter the system. Arrive to SS and as local is clear it warp to next belt. hostile login back on belt. looking: if bot not in belt, logoff for a 1-2 min again. bot arrive in next belt from SS and back to SS then hostile login back. and again back to next belt from SS cause Hostile is logedoff and bot don't switch to Wait timer. so in 1-10 tries bot will warp directly to the belt with botkiller and if they use scanner in first enter and know the group of belts where the bot was then they enter, they can kill bot in 1-3 tries. :cry: hehe macro users.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:14:00 - [13] Originally by: romek mablung Well,my guess is,either russian,or somebody else will makes source avaylable,if it isnt fixed asap...or maybe not,founders-keep.Make deep safe spot about 500-2000 au in hostile system....after dt get gank in and put on safe-gank somebody,dunno...farmer-miner,whatever...profit?!?,without even fitting cloak.They wont see you even coming...and if logs dont log it,god help all 0.0 pvpers....and wf ones too. if the exploit gets released CCP will have to make a hotfix asap.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:28:00 - [14] I remember back with the T20 incident. The char-who's-name-shall-not-be-spoken exposed the cheating by "hacking" himself. I'm just saying, you might have wanted to think twice before exploting yourself just to prove what you think happened.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:09:00 - [15] Originally by: qbIdp Originally by: Riksha San Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned +1 wait till this sht is over. +1 we need to do somthing with that cheaters bye
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Merouk Baas It's not CCP panic, nor is it that they can't do anything about it. Of course they can. They aren't answering because they have a policy of not commenting on whatever actions they take related to exploits or banning. We will NOT get "an official CCP comment" ever. The only thing we will get is a line that says: Some exploits were removed making EVE a better game for all. in the next set of patch notes. And, to the extent of whatever their logs tell them, CCP will ban whomever they feel needs banning. The drama and posturing here is highly entertaining, of course, but let's face it, we're not gonna be able to bait them into getting involved in this discussion. They are taking huge pains, on purpose, to avoid giving this thread a blue devpost color bar. That should say something. Bull**... Because of the PR failure of T20/BPOs they have been VERY open, for example they spoke openly about moongate and exactly what they did and why. You don't see an answer because they're not like half you **s, jumping to conclusions and going bat** insane trying to get an alliance banned over a which hunt.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Romale Originally by: Chibi Chi I will cancel my game Subscribtion if PL members will not be banned can i have your stuff? what are you going to do with a ratting bot?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 12:06:00 - [18] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 23/04/2010 11:59:56 I wonder how Shamis feels to have members using exploits for years in his alliance? To Cheating Legion straight from Band of Cheaters... Too bad you're irrelevant now, otherwise would be nice to have EVE vs cheaters mkII You're really talking trash about your own alliance? lol.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:07:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have received the bug reports and gone over the information in this thread and other discussions. We're investigating the issue and we'll post updated information as soon as we can.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 16:08:00 - [20] Originally by: Bad Kroxa No need to switch to trolling ... Not need to associate all the Russian community with macros and bots. Is not true! Don't worry, they will investigate the entire drone regions anyway.

Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Orephia Originally by: Certero I'll be waiting for this just to troll in new threads about EU and US botters So far I have great appreciation for the Russian EvE community's contribution in bringing this issue to light, and respect for their overall self-moderation in response to PL's racist trolling to obscure the real progress that has been made. No need to look forward to sinking below their level. Don't help them to derail the issue, this is not about macros & bots, it's about exploiting the client, and needs to stay focused on that. We have the no local part, what about the insta scan & warp to victim part. Please let the investigation continue without hugging the doodoo strewn about by the monkeyshine crew. so Russian is a race of people? You're caucasian.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:38:00 - [22] Originally by: romek mablung .Maybe he killed some in WH he is stuck (me say keep him there). Wow, you figured that out all by yourself?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...! oops.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Jobby Originally by: Xtover Originally by: Runar Silvertejp Untill this great injustice from CCP has been righted and monkey banned, i volounter for the first shift in collapsing any wormhole exit in the system he is in...! oops. Bizarre Not really, they're just trolling themselves.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 12:01:00 - [25] Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 12:02:09 Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1306084 bug reported in fact. Cool. "issue 94595" amused me. BTW; when did you first discover it? And did you set out to discover it, or did you stumble upon it accidentally? 22 of april. Read some extremely annoying trolls on eve-ru and felt sympathy for the trolled guys. Thus i checked if i can reproduce described effect. Just like that? You decided to see if you could hack the client, and you did it in a matter of hours? Seems convenient. The only group who has proven the ability to do this are those doing the accusing.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 13:04:00 - [26] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: Xtover Just like that? You decided to see if you could hack the client, and you did it in a matter of hours? Seems convenient. The only group who has proven the ability to do this are those doing the accusing. If I'm following what Huhuhuh has done, maybe a better analogy for those that don't do network programming is this: He figured out how to open Eve's mailbox and which letters to leave in the box and which ones to remove or alter in order to fool the server. Opening a mailbox is trivial. Reading the mail takes a few hours. Stuffing your modified mail back in the box is trivial. If you know what you're looking at, its not rocket surgery to start decoding what network packets contain through experimentation. A couple days is plenty of time for anyone who works with this stuff on a daily basis. You don't have to "hack" the client at all, just read and filter the network traffic your computer is sending out. Disclaimer: None of that justifies it as legitimate or not, and I don't make any claims versus the legality of it against he EULA. I'm just saying its not as hard as you make it out to be if you understand what's going on. in other words, he sniffed and blocked local channel UDP packets from the client to the server?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Silent Wispa The reason it only took huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh and co. 2 hours is because they had already done it some time ago as they take a very deep interest in how the client works for the production of macro programs. What they've done here is taken the information they've already been using - ie watching the local stream for new clients to automatically move a ship ratting to safety and instead spoofed information to prevent the client appearing in local at all. Then they've gone and stated this must be exactly what the accussed is doing because otherwise their macro bots wouldn't have been failing like they have. pretty much this.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 14:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte With the little knowledge that I have about both of those, one has nothing to do with another. No local exploit has nothing to do with macroing, it takes a different kind of programming specialization to achieve them. If they were similar, then all the people who actually do write macros would be able to abuse No Local exploit themselves, kinda makes sense, doesn't it? how do you know they haven't?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 15:21:00 - [29] Edited by: Xtover on 26/04/2010 15:21:22 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 And we just let Pandemic Legion decide who's "collateral damage" and who deserves to be cheated on because why exactly? What's so special about PL? Have they been trained by CCP on the use of exploits for the greater cause and been sanctioned by CCP to use exploits on regular playing and paying customers? STOP. JUSTIFYING. THE. USE. OF. ANY. EXPLOIT. The only exploiting I have any solid proof of, are from those who posted pics and vids in this thread. Otherwise it's just speculation and assumptions.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 15:57:00 - [30] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Of course . The only "solid" proof you'd accept is the one that doesn't incriminate your buddies with exploits. That is all mere speculation. my buddies? They're just as random to me as you are. But I'm not going to sit there and state a fact without any proof. You see a lot of kills and people whining they didn't see him in local. going off that, nunununu goes and shows off a no local exploit within hours. Suddenly you apply nunununu's exploit to monkeysphere based on conjecture. conjecture: the formation of judgments or opinions on the basis of incomplete or inconclusive information

Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 16:20:00 - [31] the funny thing is that many would never have thought to anchor a bubble in a belt to stop a macro. this might be better than ratting... and easier
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.26 18:54:00 - [32] confirming that "sphere" is an awesome name for any kind of exlpoiting program, real or not.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs A few notable exeptions of course, but all the big allainces are carebears. Even so they got huge numbers and will blob you to death if you go against them, so being carebear does not make them harmless. everyone blobs. I've had it where 5 BS jump on a lone recon, then when the recon hot drops 15 bombers, the BS guys yell "BLOOOOBBBBB"
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 18:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Cipher Jones I saw the mod thread relating to this and its great news they fixed it, now what I want to see is all the people who were sticking up for the cheaters in this thread to quietly uninstall eve and go away. And I hope they perm banned the mother****ers doing it, but of course they won't release that info. You people that stuck up for the exploiters really look stupid now and have lost any credibility you had whatsoever. Someone posted proof of someone other than huhuhuhuh exploiting?
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 18:49:00 - [35] Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12 Originally by: Soma Khan u mad? no u
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.27 19:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 27/04/2010 18:49:12 Originally by: Soma Khan u mad? no u onoes i got trolled better luck next time
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.30 11:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeke Mobius So its CCP policy to not ban anyone who manipulates the way the clients communicates with the server to enable an edge over everyone else on the server that isn't in the know about the hack? Does this mean any hacks you find out and DONT REPORT and use until they are found out, you get off scotfree? Its always something eh CCP? a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter

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