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dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:39:00 - [1] Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:41:22 Originally by: Silent Wispa You missed the point, perhaps because of the language barrier. It took you 2-3 days to decypher the Eve-Online traffic protocols, 2-3 days to work out what byte does what. Identified and removed any encryption that may or may not encrypt the packets. You worked out what address to jump in with python injection, you mapped out the the function table for the Eve Client program to trigger whichever functions you desire...all in 2 or 3 days? I'm sorry, while its perfectly possible to do, it's quite the feat to achieve at the drop of a hat, but very doable for a group who are already doing a lot of the ground work because they've been writing Bots to achieve desired effects in the game. This isn't me jumping on the 'lets call russians botters' bandwagon, it's just me being surprised about how casual you've become about it all. Seems rather strange that you're playing the white-knight card when infact you're actually no better. oh, i see. now the problem is - we reproduced monkey-space-magic TOO FAST. Originally by: Tippia People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already. Now, how about banning all those macro users? 1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind? 2. signed.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 17:53:00 - [2] Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 17:54:31 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: dumpertt Originally by: Tippia People can stop repeating that tired paragraph. You have your answer already. Now, how about banning all those macro users? 1. i don't see the ccp answer. am i blind? He's apparently been kicked out already û that's as clear an answer as you'll ever going to get, seeing as how they don't discuss bugs or exploits openly. not that bad news if it is true. but i don't care about monkey - i do care about those exploits.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 18:44:00 - [3] Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 18:46:37 Originally by: species2143 Edited by: species2143 on 21/04/2010 18:37:50 Originally by: Ivana Drake Originally by: Jeremey New video from Ellatan about exploit. Finally, something a little more concrete. TY for doing this. I think it's time CCP told us their stance on this. Naaa, I rather think it's time for monkey to prove he is in fact using superior "strategies". CCP will catch onto this issue as soon as the volcanic ashes clear from their monitors... f..k yeah! SUDDENLY, he didn't kill a shuttle using his great technique since threadnout at eve-ru started. pretty sure that's just a coincidence, yeah. "i am a monkey" bug at youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TfbifOmDPY
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 18:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Vincent Gaines not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands. not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them. not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them. not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 19:07:00 - [5] Edited by: dumpertt on 21/04/2010 19:07:27 Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: dumpertt Originally by: Vincent Gaines not all russians use macros, however a lot of macros are used by the russian alliances in the dronelands. not all pathetic legion members are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them. not all americans are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them. not all monkeys are exploiters, however a lot of cheats are used by them. Monkey isn't American. You'd know this if you actually paid attention instead of spouting drivel on the forums all day. dude, u see. i don't care about nationality. YOU DO. why?! btw i didn't mean "monkey" - but monkey, an animal, you know.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 19:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Dianeces Clearly you don't care about nationality. Which one of us brought it up, again? I'm p. sure it wasn't me. the author of the 1st quote, i suppose? i just wrote some random stuff alike that - it sounded really insulting? oh, my bad.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 19:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Vincent Gaines Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 21/04/2010 19:23:53 Originally by: dumpertt still sounds like Goebbels - u are really awesome in correcting, bro :) wtf are Goebbles? edit: and it's "bolsheviks" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels author of "big lie theory" u just used. never forget the copyrigts!
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaatje Thaxathinadin I'd just like to say that none of my corp members have used this so my knowledge, but I do have access to the forum section and IRC channel they use to talk about it. The sphere app is made by an estonian guy who used to be in RA. He got help from kugu with decyphering the app stream and the leaked client source files. Rumors have it a CCP dev left his laptop alone and someone at fanfest put a trojan on it with a USB stick . 22:59 <@xxangelxx> lol 22:59 <@xxangelxx> they will never prove it 22:59 <@xxangelxx> not more exploit than russians do when they do a loggonski 22:59 <@xxangelxx> if i didnt risk my accounts i would do it too 23:05 <WisemanAri> I will not be part of this. bye 23:08 -!- WisemanAri [[email protected]] has quit [QUIT: ] so... now monkey isn't a PL hero. he is just an estonian guy from RA. and sphere app does exist! вотэтапаварот!
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:28:00 - [9] Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols. IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account. you are the best evidence that Darwin was wrong - monkeys didn't evolve at all.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: dumpertt debagging Darwin was wrong oh, thx for spellchecking. i'm russian, u know.

dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Admiral RAGE Edited by: Admiral RAGE on 22/04/2010 14:38:19 i'm going to be so so so so happy when ccp says "bug fixed" and hundreds more russian macroers continue to die to spherical monkey know what... you guys are... not that smart as you think. you don't even understand - this bug can be (and will be - now it's just a matter of time) used by macroers to stay invisible, do you?
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:16:00 - [12] Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 19:22:23 Originally by: Zelda Wei Originally by: dumpertt Edited by: dumpertt on 22/04/2010 14:31:53 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I make a living on Win 32 programming and on TCP / IP protocols. IF it's true, you should be starving, bro. have you EVER heard about common used web debugging tools like fiddler or charlies? it will not help you to exploit eve, but surely will help you to earn 20$ to pay your account. Help you understand the difference between HTML & TCP/IP coders. oh, thx, man. the problem is that i don't really wanna tell that genius tcp/ip coder about how exactly the exploit can be recreated. but he (and maybe you) got me: it really takes weeks and YEARS to push a button to create a pf rule using wireshark (he really used it, didn't he?) or maybe he just handicapped.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.22 19:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Certero Edited by: Certero on 22/04/2010 19:27:14 Originally by: dumpertt or maybe he just handicapped. Think it wasn't needed to post details... he is bad tcp/ip coder, but it would be better to edit your post i think... that still was not a way to exploit a bug, but ok - deleted.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 02:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Criegor Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium Originally by: Criegor You guys have pretty much convinced yourselves he was exploiting And you guys from PL seem to find the existance of major game breaking bugs pretty amusing. Since when did they teach bots to type? do you believe the bug does exist? do you want it to be fixed?
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:00:00 - [15] Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:04:54 Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:01:56 Originally by: Raivi There are three ways that I am aware of in which someone can avoid the emergency warp for instant logon traps. All of these tricks are simple game mechanics, not exploits or hacking. If you really have this pvp experience, then the easiest of these tricks should be obvious to you, and would allow you to replicate what the Russians are describing perfectly. why do we think smth is wrong with monkey's space magic? Location: HIK-MC (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:52:00 monkey performs a perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972520 then he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter... Location: E4-E8W (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 16:59:00 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972521 WOW! that guy is REALLY fast! all of it took only 7min. pro! but... is it a record? let's see, what is next: once again he warps to the gate, jumps in, founds the next macroratter, warp to the belt, anchors a mobile, logoff, performs another perfect logon trap and kills a macroratter... Location: E-BFLT (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:03:00 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972522 and we have a winner! 4min now! that just amazing, isn't it? Location: L-WG68 (0.0) Date: 2010-03-04 17:13:00 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5972523 another one bites the dust. ok, the logon trap took 10min - but that system is 3 jumps away... show me how THAT is possible. video is enough. i want to believe!
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Lady Spank If those ratters all used the same fail macro then they could be bubbled by ANYBODY, afterwards when they believe they are safely cloaked at their pos/ss then its just a case of mopping up the fail exploiters. MORE SPECULATION PLS. don't stop believin' hold on the feelin' streetlights people
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Miss Xerox Well... heck! Jeeze, if you want to prove that this exploit exists and is active use, go to the region in question, park a bait ship in a safespot, then sit there and wait! Keep your FRAPS running and when names show up in local, warp to a SS. If you make it they're just raiders. If something miraculously appears at your SS within seconds and blows the ship... you have your proof. sudennly monkey didn't kill a shuttle since the thread at eve-ru started. it's just a coincidence, surely. but do you think an exploiter will use exploit after this ****storm?
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:36:00 - [18] Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 03:36:04 Originally by: Raivi He doesn't need to do logoff traps for all his targets. People ratting without watching their screens and poorly coded macros (some of the ones that make you warp to a safe and cloak can be caught relatively quickly with probes). Strings of kills now and again are the main "proof" people are bringing, and the truth is those are when he gets easy targets. The logoff traps do take a bit more time (but not all that much). yes. the winning strike proves nothing, same to timeline. i don't care will monkey be banned or not: "server logs shows nothing". but if there is a way to cheat - i'd like it to be fixed as soon as possible. and if there is a guy who wins a lottery 10 times in a row - i'm pretty sure there is way to cheat. that is why the investigation at eve-ru started.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 03:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Manny theMiner Well now.... I've never been accused of being the smartest pilot in NATO, or even smart in general, but I would wager that a dual box with the ratter in the addressbook would have a pretty good idea when to spring the log-onski TARP... and that most ratters return to the last chain they were ratting... 4 times in a row, in 4 different systems, in 20min for all, using a bs. repeat that, please.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:01:00 - [20] Edited by: dumpertt on 23/04/2010 04:02:10 Originally by: Raivi logon trap so that's how it works. pretty sure monkey did exactly that thing. can we ask to fix the exploit now?

dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Raivi Originally by: Blood Mace Raivi Nice video, unfortunately this mechanics does not explain such rate of kills. Because you must logged the same location as the victim. If monkey does not use exploit, so he is a very lucky bustard. This is the tactic used to catch macros and players that log off when a hostile enters local. Of course he also gets kills against inattentive players and macros that warp to safespots (which use a different tactic to catch). It takes about 3-4 minutes to set up in the worst case scenario (when probing is required to find the belt the target was in). so... are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes using this supertechnique? terms: i'm at random belt, ratting u are at the belt next system u set up your perfect logon trap to catch me - like u appear from nothere. i will be waiting you 18-00 eve time at sisi if you are ready. if not... well, it's just fine.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 04:57:00 - [22] Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes? i've never been killed by monkey, btw.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Raivi Originally by: dumpertt Raivi, are you ready to catch me in 4 minutes? i've never been killed by monkey, btw. I'm not going to agree to some kind of strawman competition to catch someone who knows I'm coming and who I've already shown a video of my tactic to. Unless of course you want to make it interesting by doing it on TQ. Then I'd consider it. i have only 1 character who flys bs, unfortunately it's high-sec agentrunner (completely neutral to all zero-sec camps) and it is hard to get a bs at 0.0 for him. is the has ok? let's do it on tq. i still don't get what is wrong with the fact i've seen your super-tactics - all i have to do is to log off then u 1st enter the local, wait until you log off, logon once again and wait you appering like a cheshire cat, right? 4 minutes - and if you can do it w/o even knowing a belt - i will do my best to persuade those monkey victims that monkeys are awesome. just think about it.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 05:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592 obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593. tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:08:00 - [25] Originally by: species2143 @ dumpertt: You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind. Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed. someone here really should think for a moment - how could a bot kill an extra-class pvper's curse? did you see a link? Quote: In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing. not exactly. if he can recreate a situation described in 1st post - i really will be convinced monkey is not a magician - and i will do my best to persuade others . right now i'm pretty sure monkey is a magic monkey. and once again: yes, neither winning streak nor timeline proves monkey is a cheater - there still is a chance he could win the lottery 1000 times in a row. and still - "no local" exploit exists and should be fixed. Quote: What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc. Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions: 1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word. 2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration. 3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me. 4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise. 5. ??? 6. Profit! Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you? i'm fine with it. actually i don't care about his super-duper technique - if it exists, it still useless against player. so it is enough if there will be witness that he logged off - and not using "no-local" exploit, there's no need in details at all. i have to go now, but i really want this "3-4min at worst case scenario" test done and frapsed. hope it will, heh.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:14:00 - [26] afaik there are wh mach can't leave until the big enough hole opened. still - that's very... comfortable. just another coincedence.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha rage is it next to denial stage?
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Raivi I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read. Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully. so, what do we have here... 1. we know some monkeys can kill 4 ratters in 4 different systems in 20 minutes. 2. we don't know a super simple logon trap technique that allows to set up a perfect logon trap in 4 minutes - "worst case scenario", heh? 3. we know there is "no-local-i-am-a-monkey" exploit. 4. we know about Occam's razor - Non sunt entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. so, some pretty guy claims he knows a perfect logon trap technique. Great, i say - show me how you can catch me in 4 minutes ("worst case scenario", yeah?) w/o even knowing the exact belt in the system. some pretty guy from pl ignored. i repeat an ask for the test, and another guy from this thread proposed himself for that test too. i don't even want to know about detail of this super-secret technique, i say, just show me - you can do that, right? right? some pretty guy from pl ignored. so, i ask on eve-ru for some help - let's ask that pretty guy from pl to test his great technique - just because i suppose there is more than 1 monkey in pathetic legion. and know what? some pretty guy from pl really did notice that! "IT'S A TRAP!" - he cryes and run to eve-o. so. the secret technique that allows to set up 4 successful logon traps in 20 minutes obviously exists, that's just my fault Raivi don't want to test it ONCE. just one another coincedence. right? PS just to make it clear. "красавчик из пл" = "some pretty guy from pl". we usually use "красавчик" about someone who pretends to be awesome. not offensive. and for google translator: не прекращайте верить держись за чувство люди фонарный столб
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:33:00 - [29] Originally by: SetrakDark Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts. that's why i call all that **** "coincedence" and don't really wait for a single ban. still - right now i'm pretty sure about monkey's space magic.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.24 14:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Romale im going to actually post something semi serious: do you really think if there was any evidence against monkeysphere what so ever he would still be in eve? of course not, bro. coincedences are just coincedences. i do really think btw that if no-local bug is fixed monkey will become just an ordinary monkey - not good in pvp. and that's enough. fly safe!

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