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evil0	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:49:00 - [1] This has been brought up before, but its time. Last month I was killed by a dramiel in lo sec. It was scrammin me but i couldnt scram it, and it was hitting me perfectly with autos from 12km. It was also putting drones on me and going 6km/s. I was in a thrasher (isnt this supposed to be an epic frig slayer?) I died. It didnt. They are waaay too strong. I am stealing this quote from several peeps, but they have all the strength of an interceptor and assault frig with none of the weaknesses.
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:52:00 - [2] Nerf Crap-Poasters TBH. Things that are not justifications for nerfing things include: ZOMG IT KILLED ME ONCE IN LOWSEC!!!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:54:00 - [3] something that should be on your crotch is on ur face. ~_~
Owen Drakkar Terra Nostra	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:55:00 - [4] It costs as much as BS with what, 1/32? of the HP. You get what you pay for. It can still die in a fire just like any frig, you were just doing it wrong.
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Lady Spank something that should be on your crotch is on ur face. Seriously, if your crotch looks like that, you have some issues...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Nicholas Barker OP is very unimaginative troll. - Malyutka (The Virus) -
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.04.21 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Originally by: Lady Spank something that should be on your crotch is on ur face. Seriously, if your crotch looks like that, you have some issues... My doctor told me that was normal. ~_~
Last Wolf Rage For Order	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Owen Drakkar It costs as much as BS with what, 1/32? of the HP. You get what you pay for. It can still die in a fire just like any frig, you were just doing it wrong. A titan costs 80 BILLION!!! it should be able to whipe out an entire fleet with just the push of a button!!! .... Oh wait Oh no you don't! Incoming witty reply, ETA: 300 seconds!
Ryhss Caldari The Templar Navy SRS.	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Lady Spank something that should be on your crotch is on ur face. Butt Head?
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:49:00 - [10] OP is very unimaginative troll. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.04.21 21:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/04/2010 21:49:43 Originally by: evil0 This has been brought up before, but its time. Last month I was killed by a dramiel in lo sec. No way! Quote: It was scrammin me but i couldnt scram it No way! Quote: it was hitting me perfectly with autos from 12km. No way! Quote: It was also putting drones on me and going 6km/s. No way! Quote: I was in a thrasher (isnt this supposed to be an epic frig slayer?) Yes, way! Quote: I died. It didnt. No way! Quote: They are waaay too strong. No.... "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!" Quote: I am stealing this quote from several peeps, but they have all the strength of an interceptor and assault frig with none of the weaknesses. No way! Originally by: Nicholas Barker OP is very unimaginative troll. No way! -- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
MrBinary Minmatar Binary Systems	Posted - 2010.04.21 22:30:00 - [12] Dramiel = Man Bear Pig. I'm cerial! Super cerial! "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Krist Valentine Amarr British Armoured Division The G0dfathers	Posted - 2010.04.21 22:52:00 - [13] Originally by: MrBinary Dramiel = Man Bear Pig. I'm cerial! Super cerial! etc
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Nerf Crap-Poasters TBH. Things that are not justifications for nerfing things include: ZOMG IT KILLED ME ONCE IN LOWSEC!!! I don't like you as much as your alter ego. For one thing, you don't lol nearly enough. --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:41:00 - [15] they need a nerf but not cause you were in a thrasher and go killed =\
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:47:00 - [16] Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Nerf Crap-Poasters TBH. Things that are not justifications for nerfing things include: ZOMG IT KILLED ME ONCE IN LOWSEC!!! I don't like you as much as your alter ego. For one thing, you don't lol nearly enough. Originally by: CCP Shadow snip Castration successful. Shadow. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/
ManBearP1g Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2010.04.21 23:52:00 - [17] Originally by: MrBinary Dramiel = Man Bear Pig. I'm cerial! Super cerial! False. Even the OP dramiel is no match for me
Domonique Molvoy	Posted - 2010.04.22 02:24:00 - [18] Originally by: evil0 Terrible Troll. 2/10

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Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2010.04.22 10:44:00 - [20] NO, you are doing it wrong. PI POS fuel process flow chart v1.0
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.04.22 10:56:00 - [21] (dram) 100m + (thrasher) 2m = you're suppose to lose. had it been the other way thrasher would need the nerfbat a.s.a.p.
Ramiera DaMorre	Posted - 2010.04.22 11:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac (dram) 100m + (thrasher) 2m = you're suppose to lose. had it been the other way thrasher would need the nerfbat a.s.a.p. Originally by: Last Wolf A titan costs 80 BILLION!!! it should be able to whipe out an entire fleet with just the push of a button!!!
Ste Weiss	Posted - 2010.04.22 11:06:00 - [23] Dramiels are easy to kill. You gotta be able to bait them in, and get a web and scram on them by that time there dead. Who in there right mind would pay for a ship that costs 70mil for a ceptor or an AF class that has the same weakness's as the t2 counterparts? People moan about everything in eve that is expensive, its either faction ships are too good at there designated job, or t2 insurance isn't upto scratch. CCP justify T2 (faction aswell) insurance by saying t2 is more of an "elite" ship so its a risk to use it. CCP couldnt justify the Dramiel if they were as slow as a AF or as paper thin as a Ceptor, they are ment to be abit of both and be "lucrative" (albiet everyone uses one) Instead of taking the time to write a topic about how it should be nerfed like every other person thats been tackled and killed by one, maybe you should use the time in finding ways/fittings to counter-act the dramiel. Next there will be a post about how an insta-popping arty thrasher should be banned caus frigates are die'in (part from drams) ste
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.22 11:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Celeste Coeval NO, you are doing it wrong. I'll raise your ****fit Dramiel kill with mine. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.04.22 11:49:00 - [25] Originally by: evil0 This has been brought up before, but its time. Last month I was killed by a dramiel in lo sec. It was scrammin me but i couldnt scram it, and it was hitting me perfectly with autos from 12km. It was also putting drones on me and going 6km/s. I was in a thrasher (isnt this supposed to be an epic frig slayer?) Liar. Firstly: It was not hitting you perfectly at 12km. It's optimal is about 2km - so it was in deep falloff Secondly: If it was going at 6km a second, it would hardly be hitting you at all - it can't track at those speeds and that range. Yes, it has very good tracking. VERY good tracking, but not full tracking at 6km/sec. So it really wasn't hitting you for that much damage. Its drones, OTOH, yeah, they'd have hurt. You could have webbed it, if it was at 12km - overloaded web reaches to 13km and that would have allowed you to annihilate it if you were piloting your ship properly. Quote: I died. It didnt. 100m isk ship and fittings killed a 1 million isk ship? Really? Although I agree they combine all the best bits of interceptors and assault frigs, they don't get tech 2 resists.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 12:11:00 - [26] curse.
ovenproofjet Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.22 12:16:00 - [27] The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them
Levistus Junior Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.22 12:34:00 - [28] Edited by: Levistus Junior on 22/04/2010 12:35:02 Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Caps. It's not like they're going to blob caps with dramiels. Oh wai.... On a more serious note: a dramiel is overpowered IMHO because it's way better than any other frig out there in msot way that matter: speed, GTFO abilities (dual prop), EHP, and has good dps on top of that. Pretty much the only way to have a chance in a 1v1 frig fight vs. a dramiel, is to be in another dramiel
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 12:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Levistus Junior Caps. It's not like they're going to blob caps with dramiels. Oh wai.... He logged with aggro.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:29:00 - [30] Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Show me a killmail with 30 (or close) dramiels on it. If you can find one, show me lots of them (since these gangs seem to go around raping a lot according to you). There's a couple entities that employ angel ships in 10-20 gangs but that includes machs and cynabals too. Also lol @ the NC complaining about blobs (j/k) --
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:31:00 - [31] Edited by: Ninetails o''Cat on 22/04/2010 13:31:12 Originally by: De'Veldrin Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat Nerf Crap-Poasters TBH. Things that are not justifications for nerfing things include: ZOMG IT KILLED ME ONCE IN LOWSEC!!! I don't like you as much as your alter ego. For one thing, you don't lol nearly enough. Point taken, I will lol more often... lol
Halsoy Gallente Shade. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.04.22 13:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Marko Riva Originally by: Celeste Coeval NO, you are doing it wrong. I'll raise your ****fit Dramiel kill with mine. And I'll post my recent one just for good meassure!
BuckStrider Naughty 40	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:06:00 - [33] Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Yes, because a few vagas and rapiers with some logistics ships backing them up would be totally useless
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:20:00 - [34] Originally by: BuckStrider Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Yes, because a few vagas and rapiers with some logistics ships backing them up would be totally useless Exactly. They only have a ... what, 30-40km lock range on them - if they enter that range and you have a couple of vagas... hurricanes or rapiers (preferably all) then they... well, they wouldn't enter that range. Yes, 30 of them (lol, that is SO an exaggeration) would kill any single ship but then so would 30 taranis..es or 30 crows or hell 30 noob ships could take on most single ships and come out winning. --
Arrador	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: BuckStrider Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Yes, because a few vagas and rapiers with some logistics ships backing them up would be totally useless Exactly. They only have a ... what, 30-40km lock range on them - if they enter that range and you have a couple of vagas... hurricanes or rapiers (preferably all) then they... well, they wouldn't enter that range. Yes, 30 of them (lol, that is SO an exaggeration) would kill any single ship but then so would 30 taranis..es or 30 crows or hell 30 noob ships could take on most single ships and come out winning. Wow, shows how much you know. There were 30+ of them in H-W9TY last night on the Station. http://sascn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6397826
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.04.22 14:50:00 - [36] Perhaps now that blob-land is being flooded by the damn things like low-sec was when they were introduced, CCP will wake up and smell the rotting roses Keep on swarming, makes it so much easier for us low-sec denizens to convince CCP that they are broken .. muhahahaha.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:17:00 - [37] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 15:19:44 Originally by: Ralara Yes, 30 of them (lol, that is SO an exaggeration) No, it's not. up north 15-30 man dramiel gangs are very common. edit: yeah I'm in that link above.. so yeah.
Number 17 Caldari COLD-Wing	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:30:00 - [38] Nerf the merlin too while you are at it !!!!
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:35:00 - [39] Originally by: Arrador http://sascn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6397826 Jesus.
Ninetails o'Cat League of Super Evil	Posted - 2010.04.22 15:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Number 17 Nerf the merlin too while you are at it !!!! There was like the time once when I was in lowsec, and this bantam shooted me and I exploded! CCP NERF BANTAMS!!!! fakeedit: boost bantams
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.04.22 18:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Levistus Junior Edited by: Levistus Junior on 22/04/2010 12:35:02 Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Caps. It's not like they're going to blob caps with dramiels. Oh wai.... On a more serious note: a dramiel is overpowered IMHO because it's way better than any other frig out there in msot way that matter: speed, GTFO abilities (dual prop), EHP, and has good dps on top of that. Pretty much the only way to have a chance in a 1v1 frig fight vs. a dramiel, is to be in another dramiel WTB smartbomb. Not that that would have saved it, but, could have at least taken down equal value in ships after insurance.
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:12:00 - [42] The dramiel is a really good frigate. It's still just a frigate. Large gangs of angel ships seem slightly imbalanced, but only because no one is flying Sansha/Serpentis/Gurista gangs also. I've always felt that every ship had to be too homogenized to fit into gangs. Minmatar BS being more agile doesn't mean anything, since they have to fit to fly with every other race, and so on. Seeing 'themed' gangs that let a specific factions ship shine is, really, a good thing... We just need to see the other factions get a little bit more viable. Then again, viability is rarely about being terribly potent, and more about the ability to not die. (A gang of Daredevils, Vigilants, and Vindicators would be deadly, for example, but also fairly suicidal.) I'd rather see non-dramiel frigates buffed than the dramiel nerfed. Face it: The dramiel is a blast to fly, and it's nice to have a frigate that isn't grossly lacking in all but one ability, for once. Just bring everything else up to par (Or closer to par, at least.)
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.04.22 20:49:00 - [43] Edited by: Ralara on 22/04/2010 20:51:08 Originally by: Arrador Edited by: Arrador on 22/04/2010 14:38:47 Originally by: Ralara Originally by: BuckStrider Originally by: ovenproofjet The real problem with Dramiels is when they blob up. Recently up north I've seen gangs of 30+ Dramiels roaming about. Normally the solution to any gang like this is a few bombers but the Dramiel can outrun a bomb no problem, so that wipes out the bombers as being useful against them. So short of another bigger bang of Dramiels it is next to impossible to beat the conventionally in 0.0, it isn't just a low sec problem. Sure a rapier can deal with a small gang but there is just nothing in Eve atm to deal with a large group of them Yes, because a few vagas and rapiers with some logistics ships backing them up would be totally useless Exactly. They only have a ... what, 30-40km lock range on them - if they enter that range and you have a couple of vagas... hurricanes or rapiers (preferably all) then they... well, they wouldn't enter that range. Yes, 30 of them (lol, that is SO an exaggeration) would kill any single ship but then so would 30 taranis..es or 30 crows or hell 30 noob ships could take on most single ships and come out winning. Wow, shows how much you know. There were 30+ of them in H-W9TY last night on the Station. Regular 20+ dramiel gang running through the north is practically an everyday experience. http://sascn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6397826 Oh look, there's actually a mixture of ships there and yes there's a lot of dramiels (37/38) there's also 12 taranis, 4 stiletto, 2 sabres, 3 raptors, 4 crusader, 3 claw, 7 stealth bombers, 4 NIGHTMARES, 2 machariels and a carrier and some scimitars... rapier, huggin, a few BCs... and they outnumbered your entire fleet by about 30% .... That isn't a 30 man dramiel gang, that's a full on alliance frigate w/ logistics FLEET with cap support. So don't try and twist things. Now, show me multiple ones of those and stop bull****ting. Yes, you get roaming gangs of them (I've been in a few myself thank you) but I'm not seeing the "regular 30 man dramiel gangs" you speak of. --
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Ralara So don't try and twist things. Check the times on that report. Chances are that the listed ships are from a heap of unconnected skirmishes and not one whopping six hour long fight. So he may very well be correct when he said that it was a Dramiel swarm, probably with a dictor or two for the lazy bubble tackle.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Space Pinata The dramiel is a really good frigate. It's still just a frigate. Large gangs of angel ships seem slightly imbalanced, but only because no one is flying Sansha/Serpentis/Gurista gangs also. I've always felt that every ship had to be too homogenized to fit into gangs. Minmatar BS being more agile doesn't mean anything, since they have to fit to fly with every other race, and so on. Seeing 'themed' gangs that let a specific factions ship shine is, really, a good thing... We just need to see the other factions get a little bit more viable. Then again, viability is rarely about being terribly potent, and more about the ability to not die. (A gang of Daredevils, Vigilants, and Vindicators would be deadly, for example, but also fairly suicidal.) I'd rather see non-dramiel frigates buffed than the dramiel nerfed. Face it: The dramiel is a blast to fly, and it's nice to have a frigate that isn't grossly lacking in all but one ability, for once. Just bring everything else up to par (Or closer to par, at least.) Confirmed that every pvper in EVE lives in fear of sansha ships and non-gila guristas ships.
Arrador	Posted - 2010.04.22 21:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 22/04/2010 20:51:08 Originally by: Arrador Edited by: Arrador on 22/04/2010 14:38:47 Originally by: Ralara Exactly. They only have a ... what, 30-40km lock range on them - if they enter that range and you have a couple of vagas... hurricanes or rapiers (preferably all) then they... well, they wouldn't enter that range. Yes, 30 of them (lol, that is SO an exaggeration) would kill any single ship but then so would 30 taranis..es or 30 crows or hell 30 noob ships could take on most single ships and come out winning. Wow, shows how much you know. There were 30+ of them in H-W9TY last night on the Station. Regular 20+ dramiel gang running through the north is practically an everyday experience. http://sascn.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6397826 Oh look, there's actually a mixture of ships there and yes there's a lot of dramiels (37/38) there's also 12 taranis, 4 stiletto, 2 sabres, 3 raptors, 4 crusader, 3 claw, 7 stealth bombers, 4 NIGHTMARES, 2 machariels and a carrier and some scimitars... rapier, huggin, a few BCs... and they outnumbered your entire fleet by about 30% .... That isn't a 30 man dramiel gang, that's a full on alliance frigate w/ logistics FLEET with cap support. So don't try and twist things. Now, show me multiple ones of those and stop bull**ting. Yes, you get roaming gangs of them (I've been in a few myself thank you) but I'm not seeing the "regular 30 man dramiel gangs" you speak of. Learn to read killboard stats. First off, burn eden and those faction battleships where at the gate, and nabbed fleeing guys, and 2nd, they aren't blue to the SC. They're on the engagement cause they nabbed stragglers escaping. 2ndly, that **ing carrier was playing undock games... and is in the NC, not in the dramiel/frigate gang. Seriously, come live up here before you start spouting how its like in the space up here.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:04:00 - [47] Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 22:05:22 Originally by: Ralara Oh look, there's actually a mixture of ships there and yes there's a lot of dramiels (37/38) there's also 12 taranis, 4 stiletto, 2 sabres, 3 raptors, 4 crusader, 3 claw, 7 stealth bombers, 4 NIGHTMARES, 2 machariels and a carrier and some scimitars... rapier, huggin, a few BCs... and they outnumbered your entire fleet by about 30% .... That isn't a 30 man dramiel gang, that's a full on alliance frigate w/ logistics FLEET with cap support. So don't try and twist things. Now, show me multiple ones of those and stop bull****ting. Yes, you get roaming gangs of them (I've been in a few myself thank you) but I'm not seeing the "regular 30 man dramiel gangs" you speak of. The BE gang (nightmares, machs etc) are unprobable and have been there for over a week... they came AFTER the fight was initiated. The carrier wasn't part of the gang, look at the allaince tickers.... in fact just no... no, just shut up- you're an idiot.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.04.22 22:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 22:05:22 Originally by: Ralara Oh look, there's actually a mixture of ships there and yes there's a lot of dramiels (37/38) there's also 12 taranis, 4 stiletto, 2 sabres, 3 raptors, 4 crusader, 3 claw, 7 stealth bombers, 4 NIGHTMARES, 2 machariels and a carrier and some scimitars... rapier, huggin, a few BCs... and they outnumbered your entire fleet by about 30% .... That isn't a 30 man dramiel gang, that's a full on alliance frigate w/ logistics FLEET with cap support. So don't try and twist things. Now, show me multiple ones of those and stop bull****ting. Yes, you get roaming gangs of them (I've been in a few myself thank you) but I'm not seeing the "regular 30 man dramiel gangs" you speak of. The BE gang (nightmares, machs etc) are unprobable and have been there for over a week... they came AFTER the fight was initiated. The carrier wasn't part of the gang, look at the allaince tickers.... in fact just no... no, just shut up- you're an idiot. yeah ok lol. How about a battle report that doesnt have half the people showing on each side of eachother, then? And the next report? I mean, these are daily gangs, right? There should be multiple battle reports. Go on, post them, instead of one screwed up engagement spread over several hours. That wasn't one fleet either, it was ROL, Burn Eden, Gentlemen's Club, Tripple A, IT alliance etc. yeah, nice try with the whine there, but that was not a single gang, that was an "entire SC and allies" gang. lol. --
iudex	Posted - 2010.04.22 23:26:00 - [49] I love threads like this, they get the Dramiel prices up, keep them coming _____________________________________________________ Eveboard // Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 / Angel Cartel +9.24 / Gallente Federation -10.00
RasaelWolf Caldari Easy Co. Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.04.23 07:59:00 - [50] Hop into a freaking Navy Comet, Faction fit it, put rails on, and your going to blast it from 7-9km out, 'nuff said. "The more we learn, the less we care"
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:50:00 - [51] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Xtover Edited by: Xtover on 22/04/2010 22:05:22 Originally by: Ralara Oh look, there's actually a mixture of ships there and yes there's a lot of dramiels (37/38) there's also 12 taranis, 4 stiletto, 2 sabres, 3 raptors, 4 crusader, 3 claw, 7 stealth bombers, 4 NIGHTMARES, 2 machariels and a carrier and some scimitars... rapier, huggin, a few BCs... and they outnumbered your entire fleet by about 30% .... That isn't a 30 man dramiel gang, that's a full on alliance frigate w/ logistics FLEET with cap support. So don't try and twist things. Now, show me multiple ones of those and stop bull****ting. Yes, you get roaming gangs of them (I've been in a few myself thank you) but I'm not seeing the "regular 30 man dramiel gangs" you speak of. The BE gang (nightmares, machs etc) are unprobable and have been there for over a week... they came AFTER the fight was initiated. The carrier wasn't part of the gang, look at the allaince tickers.... in fact just no... no, just shut up- you're an idiot. yeah ok lol. How about a battle report that doesnt have half the people showing on each side of eachother, then? And the next report? I mean, these are daily gangs, right? There should be multiple battle reports. Go on, post them, instead of one screwed up engagement spread over several hours. That wasn't one fleet either, it was ROL, Burn Eden, Gentlemen's Club, Tripple A, IT alliance etc. yeah, nice try with the whine there, but that was not a single gang, that was an "entire SC and allies" gang. lol. Come to Tribute round 2300 eve time. You'll see all you need to see.
Xtover Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.23 11:51:00 - [52] Originally by: RasaelWolf Hop into a freaking Navy Comet, Faction fit it, put rails on, and your going to blast it from 7-9km out, 'nuff said. You won't even scratch the paint, LSE or no. Either you won't track it, or it'll just run away.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.04.23 13:22:00 - [53] i suggest using a Dual Web AM Caracal
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:09:00 - [54] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 23/04/2010 15:09:33 T2 bpo's are fine! Stop trying to nerf.... Wait, ohhhh this is an entirely different whine thread. My bad. Carry on. Here us some tissue for your issue btw.

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