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Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.08 21:55:00 - [1] - Quote For those that don't know. On June 29'th, a wonderfully violent storm blew through the NE part of the US and knocked out power in multiple states. Straight line winds around 80mph ( 129kpm ) knocked over tree, power lines, blew off shingles and siding on houses and barns, and bent some of the larger freeway signs. Joy. Sharing some of my experiences and hope to see some others share theirs who were affected by the storm. First off, in my area we had record temperatures during all of this. 100F ( 37C ) \o/ Saw the storm on radar rolling across my entire state 1/2 hour before it hit my location. Was able to fill a few water jugs, get the vehicle parked in the garage, and emergency supplies in the basement by the time the storm hit. Trees were being bent at angles I was certain they were going to break in half and some trees behind the house blew over. Chicken coup was flipped upside down by the wind. Luckily not a single chicken was lost, though they were drenched by the rain and happy to get put back in the coup once it was flipped upright. Every house, except mine luckily, had some wind damage. From shingles and siding being blown off to garage doors caved in, and / or trees falling on their house. It was amazing to see. Right after the storm, 50,000 of the 65,000 people serviced by American Electric Power in my county alone were without power. The next morning, there were long lines stretching 1/4 mile down the road in all directions at the gas stations in my county as only 4 gas stations had power and were able to sell gasoline. The county north of me had 1 single gas station with power and they sold out of their gas by noon. Most banks didn't have any power and those who needed cash were unable to get it. All of the ice in my county was sold out that morning as well. Took American Electric Power 4 days to get the number of people without power to around 25,000 to 30,000. Just got my power back this past Friday. Some people are still without power, though 95% of people who didn't have power now do have it back. During my 8 days without power: The biggest concern was water. No electric and no generator = no power to run the water well pump. As mentioned above, I was able to fill some water jugs shortly before the storm hit. Something that really helped was the 50gallon rain barrel I purchased the week prior, but water was still a concern. Didn't run out of water and still had nearly 65% of the water in my rain barrel left when power was restored, but now thinking of having a shallower well dug so I can use a hand water well pump ( current well is 180ft deep ). Barely any rain to speak of to refresh water supplies and the water in the creek was low, stagnant, 100ft away from the house down a 20ft embankment. Nice... Taking a 'bath' out of a small bowel twice a day makes a person appreciate a nice shower in ways you will never understand until you are unable to take a shower for over a week. Small 1 gallon propane cylinders attached to a small camp stove were what I used to boil water and cook some food daily. Big charcoal grill was used to cook other meat, but you just cant eat it all fast enough before it goes bad. Being a hobbiest prepper of sorts, the week without has made me rethink my water plan. Probably going to spend the money on the second well and hand powered water pump and my number one priority. What has your experience been with the storm? When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1652	Posted - 2012.07.08 22:07:00 - [2] - Quote I live in Alabama, screw you northern hippies. You don't deserve power Also it was 106 here
Shalia Ripper 144	Posted - 2012.07.08 22:30:00 - [3] - Quote OMG, I hope you had a long skill in queue. Humans lived for quite some time without electricity. You should be able to deal for a few days. P.S. With an electric powered pump in your well, perhaps a small solar panel would be a good idea. Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.08 22:43:00 - [4] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: OMG, I hope you had a long skill in queue. Humans lived for quite some time without electricity. You should be able to deal for a few days. P.S. With an electric powered pump in your well, perhaps a small solar panel would be a good idea. Yes, I was able to deal with it for a few days and I do realize that humans were able to live without electricity. What I am trying to get started is a conversation about how others dealt with it because I am curious about their ideas and preparations. Thanks for the solar panel idea, I may consider it. Speaking of solar panels, the little solar powered yard lights make some great indoor light when brought in at night. Better than candles if you have the right ones. They have little AA Nicad rechargables in them so you can even put them in a small flashlight if needed. And lol at Surfins PlunderBunny comment. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Kirjava E X C E P T I O N Persona Non Gratis 5	Posted - 2012.07.08 23:04:00 - [5] - Quote Shalia Ripper wrote: OMG, I hope you had a long skill in queue. Humans lived for quite some time without electricity. You should be able to deal for a few days. P.S. With an electric powered pump in your well, perhaps a small solar panel would be a good idea. As he stated with regards to wind damage, most likely the solar pannel would be mounted on his roof and taken out during the storm. Given his need for power in such an event, and it sounds like he has a basement and some land to play with (British flats are tiny compared to American homes) I would probably have a diesel generator in the basement and pipe in and out air and exhaust. I plan on doing this when I get my own place in a decade or so (I hope). UPS for the house in lead batteries and an emergency diesel generator plus solar panels, I will rule as a king after the Event . Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2012.07.08 23:38:00 - [6] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: OMG, I hope you had a long skill in queue. Humans lived for quite some time without electricity. You should be able to deal for a few days. P.S. With an electric powered pump in your well, perhaps a small solar panel would be a good idea. As he stated with regards to wind damage, most likely the solar pannel would be mounted on his roof and taken out during the storm. Given his need for power in such an event, and it sounds like he has a basement and some land to play with (British flats are tiny compared to American homes) I would probably have a diesel generator in the basement and pipe in and out air and exhaust. I plan on doing this when I get my own place in a decade or so (I hope). UPS for the house in lead batteries and an emergency diesel generator plus solar panels, I will rule as a king after the Event . Be careful where you put the generator. I was watching a program about the tsunami in Japan and the nuc power plant melt down, one thing that was pointed out, was that at least some of their emergency power generators, that were needed for pumps, were below ground and got flooded. We have been without power from Friday to Sunday (June 29 to July 1), then again July 5 to July 6. Also a bunch of branches and some trees fell from the really strong winds. Not happy days were those, let me tell you. So Pa is thinking of getting generator too. To, at least, run fridge in the house and the freezer in the basement. We are thinking to put it in a little shack tucked next to the house on the side of the house where we do not have trees. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1653	Posted - 2012.07.09 00:04:00 - [7] - Quote I try I recommend camping lights, like this one http://www.smart-camping-guide.com/image-files/camping_lights.jpg Once charged it'll run for 12 hours+, more if you have an awesome car battery jumper battery with the car lighter dohickey hole
Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.09 00:11:00 - [8] - Quote Caleidascope wrote: Be careful where you put the generator.... We have been without power from Friday to Sunday (June 29 to July 1), then again July 5 to July 6. Also a bunch of branches and some trees fell from the really strong winds. [quote=Caleidascope] Be careful where you put the generator.... We have been without power from Friday to Sunday (June 29 to July 1), then again July 5 to July 6. Also a bunch of branches and some trees fell from the really strong winds. Not sure about diesel generators, but the gasoline generators can be dangerous. My sisters gas powered Honda generator was fairly new, only had 46 hours on it, and caught fire right next to their house. Melted the siding before my brother-in-law got it pulled away from their house. Just something to keep in mind when selecting a place for one. Sounds like you were one of the 20,000 additional people that were taken out a second time when the next storm came through. Talk about a bummer. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1653	Posted - 2012.07.09 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Caleidascope wrote: Be careful where you put the generator.... We have been without power from Friday to Sunday (June 29 to July 1), then again July 5 to July 6. Also a bunch of branches and some trees fell from the really strong winds. [quote=Caleidascope] Be careful where you put the generator.... We have been without power from Friday to Sunday (June 29 to July 1), then again July 5 to July 6. Also a bunch of branches and some trees fell from the really strong winds. Not sure about diesel generators, but the gasoline generators can be dangerous. My sisters gas powered Honda generator was fairly new, only had 46 hours on it, and caught fire right next to their house. Melted the siding before my brother-in-law got it pulled away from their house. Just something to keep in mind when selecting a place for one. Sounds like you were one of the 20,000 additional people that were taken out a second time when the next storm came through. Talk about a bummer. Gas generators don't run on nitro!
Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.09 00:59:00 - [10] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I try I recommend camping lights, like this one http://www.smart-camping-guide.com/image-files/camping_lights.jpg Once charged it'll run for 12 hours+, more if you have an awesome car battery jumper battery with the car lighter dohickey hole Was thinking about getting something like that or one of the solar lanterns. A solar battery charger would go well with the lantern you linked. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1653	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:02:00 - [11] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I try I recommend camping lights, like this one http://www.smart-camping-guide.com/image-files/camping_lights.jpg Once charged it'll run for 12 hours+, more if you have an awesome car battery jumper battery with the car lighter dohickey hole Was thinking about getting something like that or one of the solar lanterns. A solar battery charger would go well with the lantern you linked. That's a pretty cool thing, but the car thingy can also jump the car if you forget to turn the lights off that time I was in class
Kirjava E X C E P T I O N Persona Non Gratis 5	Posted - 2012.07.09 01:53:00 - [12] - Quote Caleidascope wrote: So Pa is thinking of getting generator too. To, at least, run fridge in the house and the freezer in the basement. We are thinking to put it in a little shack tucked next to the house on the side of the house where we do not have trees. Just a thought, but how tricky would it be to wire a cars engine to power the house for a short while? A 125cc generates around 8kw, so a car should be able to keep things ticking over on a low gear. Get it inside the garage, keep a few cans of fuel to hand and make sure that you have ventilation or an extender to get the exhaust outside the garage. Come to think of it, aren't cars dead cheap in America? and if it never actualy needs to move again... I've heard stories that they can go for a few hundred Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:01:00 - [13] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Caleidascope wrote: So Pa is thinking of getting generator too. To, at least, run fridge in the house and the freezer in the basement. We are thinking to put it in a little shack tucked next to the house on the side of the house where we do not have trees. Just a thought, but how tricky would it be to wire a cars engine to power the house for a short while? A 125cc generates around 8kw, so a car should be able to keep things ticking over on a low gear. Get it inside the garage, keep a few cans of fuel to hand and make sure that you have ventilation or an extender to get the exhaust outside the garage. Come to think of it, aren't cars dead cheap in America? and if it never actualy needs to move again... I've heard stories that they can go for a few hundred A couple of issues. The automotive engines produce DC I think. Your house is setup to receive AC. So you will need some kind of transformer to convert DC to AC. The bought generator will have that stuff already setup, no tinkering. Second issue is more general and pretty much will come up with any choice you make. The generator has to be wired to the breaker board or whatever the thing is called that basically all electrical stuff in the house is connected to. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first!
Kirjava E X C E P T I O N Persona Non Gratis 5	Posted - 2012.07.09 02:07:00 - [14] - Quote Caleidascope wrote: Kirjava wrote: Caleidascope wrote: So Pa is thinking of getting generator too. To, at least, run fridge in the house and the freezer in the basement. We are thinking to put it in a little shack tucked next to the house on the side of the house where we do not have trees. Just a thought, but how tricky would it be to wire a cars engine to power the house for a short while? A 125cc generates around 8kw, so a car should be able to keep things ticking over on a low gear. Get it inside the garage, keep a few cans of fuel to hand and make sure that you have ventilation or an extender to get the exhaust outside the garage. Come to think of it, aren't cars dead cheap in America? and if it never actualy needs to move again... I've heard stories that they can go for a few hundred A couple of issues. The automotive engines produce DC I think. Your house is setup to receive AC. So you will need some kind of transformer to convert DC to AC. The bought generator will have that stuff already setup, no tinkering. Second issue is more general and pretty much will come up with any choice you make. The generator has to be wired to the breaker board or whatever the thing is called that basically all electrical stuff in the house is connected to. Aye, but pop in a standard transformer or make your own if you have enough wire to hand, and you would need to wire it in properly... it doesn't seem like something too complicated that it couldn't be done if you're confident with electrics. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Domer Pyle Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera 12	Posted - 2012.07.09 03:39:00 - [15] - Quote ohio ftw. my power went out for a couple seconds on the 29th, and the internet was down for a while, but that was it. oh, btw, anyone in here know any good bars in phoenix?
Viktor Fyretracker Emminent Terraforming 29	Posted - 2012.07.09 06:01:00 - [16] - Quote no power failed here at all except for flickers when the grid was bypassing damaged systems. However counties south of mine here in NJ still have some outages. Since the supermarket I work in had power, we moved over two tons of ice in one day. that is more than what we usually sell in an entire week.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 516	Posted - 2012.07.09 07:12:00 - [17] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Shalia Ripper wrote: OMG, I hope you had a long skill in queue. Humans lived for quite some time without electricity. You should be able to deal for a few days. P.S. With an electric powered pump in your well, perhaps a small solar panel would be a good idea. As he stated with regards to wind damage, most likely the solar pannel would be mounted on his roof and taken out during the storm. Most general panels are firmly bolted to a house so if he had a wind powerful enough to yank a panel off then it would take the roof as well, at which point electricity is the least of his problems. But he doesn't need a $5000 unit installed for one generator, though if he wanted to turn his home into a 0 energy house then that would be something to look at. He can get a complete solar pump system that provides 24v for under $300. Sure it wont provide an excellent shower but it will give him running water and the panel is small enough to be placed just about anywhere. He can also get another one for his water heater providing him with warm water goodness. new technology solar panels are about as think as a quarter and can be rolled out into sheets. With the proper roof they would actually be recessed. As to the car, aside from the AC/DC difference, I would like to point out that a good chunk of your cooling comes from the vehicle moving as air enters the engine compartment and gets blown out under the car. Given that the car would be stationary I'd say you would have about an hour before the engine overheats and seizes up. We had some pretty incredible winds tonight in my neck of the woods. Nothing dropping power or whatnot but its a climate change that has been noticeable over the last few years and they are becoming for frequent each year. We have a number of young spruces that we have stabilized with your common tie-downs that you get for vehicles. Was only supposed to be a temporary thing but that was 3 years ago and we probably wont be able to release them for several more years until those trees have some thickness to them. As for the winds I won't be the least bit surprised if we get middle east style dust storms by 2040. The planet is changing and we have to change with it.
Shameless Avenger Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 146	Posted - 2012.07.09 07:13:00 - [18] - Quote Psss bunch of noobs... get a nice cat 5+ hurricane and live without energy or water for 3 months and then we can talk. Dealing with the toilet management alone deserves a medal for bravery.
Domer Pyle Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera 12	Posted - 2012.07.09 07:40:00 - [19] - Quote ^ hence why i'd never wanna live on the south coast. also, humidity ftl.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 516	Posted - 2012.07.09 15:16:00 - [20] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: Psss bunch of noobs... get a nice cat 5+ hurricane and live without energy or water for 3 months and then we can talk. Dealing with the toilet management alone deserves a medal for bravery. I was raised by wolves in the wilds of Alaska for 10 years. No toilet, no shower, no blankets, and I had to kill my own food.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1666	Posted - 2012.07.09 18:33:00 - [21] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: Psss bunch of noobs... get a nice cat 5+ hurricane and live without energy or water for 3 months and then we can talk. Dealing with the toilet management alone deserves a medal for bravery. I was raised by wolves in the wilds of Alaska for 10 years. No toilet, no shower, no blankets, and I had to kill my own food. I was raised by wild turkeys in the amazon
Viktor Fyretracker Emminent Terraforming 30	Posted - 2012.07.09 20:44:00 - [22] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: Psss bunch of noobs... get a nice cat 5+ hurricane and live without energy or water for 3 months and then we can talk. Dealing with the toilet management alone deserves a medal for bravery. this is why you evacuate when the NWS tells you to get the hell outa dodge. EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,-á There is however a catch...-á The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks.
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 662	Posted - 2012.07.09 21:25:00 - [23] - Quote I am in Sweden so I can't say I care much about your experiences. Now, excuse me as I am going to enjoy watching the weather forecast in the US. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2012.07.09 21:37:00 - [24] - Quote Alpheias wrote: I am in Sweden so I can't say I care much about your experiences. Now, excuse me as I am going to enjoy watching the weather forecast in the US. Block-Fu is awesome. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first!
Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.09 22:03:00 - [25] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: Psss bunch of noobs... get a nice cat 5+ hurricane and live without energy or water for 3 months and then we can talk. Dealing with the toilet management alone deserves a medal for bravery. What did you do for those 3 months without energy, water, or toiletries. What did you use to cook food, boil water for coffee, take showers, and do laundry? Was there a grocery / gas station within reasonable driving distance? Did you use simple flashlights at night, rely on the full moon when you could, have some solar rechargeable batteries or simply have a stockpile of batteries? My questions are designed to see how you handled the situation or to see if your just being funny. In regards to the solar panel on the roof to run my water well pump idea. After giving it some thought, I do not think getting a solar panel on the roof plus the batteries needed to store the energy at night for pumping water is a good move. If the solar panels were to supplement my current electrical use, then perhaps. Looking at a natural disaster scenario in which those panels could be damaged by flying debris ( 80mph straight line winds are nasty ), I think a hand operated water well pump is going to be much more sturdy in such an event and more reliable in my opinion. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Viktor Fyretracker Emminent Terraforming 32	Posted - 2012.07.09 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote problem is a hand pump cannot supplement a modern well. the hand pumps with the levers at least might do 10-20ft at best. When we had a house with a well the pump hung 310 feet below ground or just around 100m.(The electric pump for a water well is actually in the well, well any properly designed well uses submersible pumps and not those pieces of crap sitting in a basement that always lose prime) EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,-á There is however a catch...-á The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks.
Olleybear I R' Carebear 109	Posted - 2012.07.09 23:50:00 - [27] - Quote Viktor Fyretracker wrote: problem is a hand pump cannot supplement a modern well. the hand pumps with the levers at least might do 10-20ft at best. When we had a house with a well the pump hung 310 feet below ground or just around 100m.(The electric pump for a water well is actually in the well, well any properly designed well uses submersible pumps and not those pieces of crap sitting in a basement that always lose prime) Apparently hand pump wells have changed a bit. You can get them to go down 300+feet. Looking at the pricing though is making my wallet ache. It would be much cheaper just to buy a generator. Hell, the expensive price tag is making me rethink the solar option. LoL. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
baltec1 Bat Country 1625	Posted - 2012.07.10 08:09:00 - [28] - Quote Olleybear wrote: Viktor Fyretracker wrote: problem is a hand pump cannot supplement a modern well. the hand pumps with the levers at least might do 10-20ft at best. When we had a house with a well the pump hung 310 feet below ground or just around 100m.(The electric pump for a water well is actually in the well, well any properly designed well uses submersible pumps and not those pieces of crap sitting in a basement that always lose prime) Apparently hand pump wells have changed a bit. You can get them to go down 300+feet. Looking at the pricing though is making my wallet ache. It would be much cheaper just to buy a generator. Hell, the expensive price tag is making me rethink the solar option. LoL. Could always get a windmill and a very large battery for the next time one of these blows through
Cierejai Caldari Provisions Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.07.10 13:00:00 - [29] - Quote Make/buy a bicycle generator. Don't have to worry about solar panels blowing away/running out of gas for a generator.
Theron Urian The Moirae Syndicate 0	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:06:00 - [30] - Quote I live in Ohio. Lots of large trees down, power poles down and hitting cars with jumping live power lines (Multiple people pinned and injured), Transformers blowing and catching fire. Power was out in lots of areas around my house but thankfully our grid stayed up, and our house became a hotel for family and friends with out power in the 90-100 degree heat. Pretty crazy stuff.

Theron Urian The Moirae Syndicate 0	Posted - 2012.07.10 17:11:00 - [31] - Quote Domer Pyle wrote: ohio ftw. my power went out for a couple seconds on the 29th, and the internet was down for a while, but that was it. oh, btw, anyone in here know any good bars in phoenix? Lol its really odd, there are parts that look pretty roughed up and other parts that look totally fine as if nothing happened.
Alain Kinsella 121	Posted - 2012.07.11 09:55:00 - [32] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: As to the car, aside from the AC/DC difference, I would like to point out that a good chunk of your cooling comes from the vehicle moving as air enters the engine compartment and gets blown out under the car. Given that the car would be stationary I'd say you would have about an hour before the engine overheats and seizes up. This came up in the PriusChat forum several years ago, I believe one person was able to make his work (don't remember for how long but it was several hours). Hybrid cards have an advantage there since the Main Battery will run the DC socket (which you'll attach a normal AC converter), and in turn the gas engine turns on now and then to recharge the Main Battery. Its a horrid kludge though. I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player. Just more subtle.
Viktor Fyretracker Emminent Terraforming 36	Posted - 2012.07.11 15:16:00 - [33] - Quote the bigger issue with using a car other than the sheer amount of fuel a car guzzles is that cars do not generate even as much power as one of those generators on wheels from a hardware store. The alternator in a car is really only making enough to run the car and accessories and likely could never even really run much more than the load of some lights or a computer. In truth if one lives in an area with power issues a standby generator might be a better option. That said during the great 2003 Northeastern blackout I ran some lights and a laptop off my pickup truck for a few hours, even drove it over the yard and used the offroading lights so I could swim in our pool at night. EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,-á There is however a catch...-á The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks.
baltec1 Bat Country 1629	Posted - 2012.07.11 16:02:00 - [34] - Quote Meanwhile in the UK


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