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Ungtoir	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:12:00 - [1] As topic says realy. I am snaring at a drake with T2 standard missile launchers, loaded with precision missiles. Rigged with warhead flare catalyst? This all based on that the target ship is not being webbed/painted. Any other input?
N0N	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:19:00 - [2] Titan.
tehSiner Abnormal Experience	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:19:00 - [3] why standard missiles? aml caracal/cerb? abnormal behavior of abnormal brain makes me normal
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Ungtoir As topic says realy. I am snaring at a drake with T2 standard missile launchers, loaded with precision missiles. Rigged with warhead flare catalyst? This all based on that the target ship is not being webbed/painted. Any other input? Don't use a Drake. Don't use SMLs. Don't use Precisions. Don't use Flares. Hope this HTHs.
Kenpotchi	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:32:00 - [5] USE A DRAMIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:38:00 - [6] Vaga with dual180's and tracking ammo, then dualprop it with a scram. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Sloth Arnini Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Sloth Arnini on 23/04/2010 14:44:59 I'd say don't overspecialise to take out a particular ship at the expense of being able to handle anything else. A Drake is too much ship for frigate devouring. I just put Warrior IIs in my Drake as they're the best frigate killing drones (fastest but not lowest DPS). I've heard Caracals with Assault Missile Launchers (not Heavy Assault Missile Launchers) are good for anti-frig work though. You can also buy and fit 4 of them for the price of a Drake + fittings. H: 5x assault missiles, M: 1x MWD, 1x warp disruptor, maybe web (make sure you can overheat), 2x LSE L: damage control, ballistic control system. Probably won't catch a Dramiel or intelligent inty pilot, but you have to rely on the other guy ****ing up to catch frigs most of the time anyway
Leeluvv Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.23 14:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Ungtoir As topic says realy. I am snaring at a drake with T2 standard missile launchers, loaded with precision missiles. Rigged with warhead flare catalyst? This all based on that the target ship is not being webbed/painted. Any other input? Don't use missiles, especially don't use Precision Lights. It sounds strange, but they are worse than normal missiles. Their flight time is so short a fast moving target will have moved too far for the missile to reach it before it reaches the flight time limit. They look like they have a 40Km range, but this is only true for a stationary target. For any fast moving ship their effective 'range' is about 25Km or less. So, if your target is further than 25 Km away, don't even bother launching. I like my Pulse Harbinger with Tracking Enhancers, Scan Res rigs, Sensor Booster and faction Warp Disruptor. 1,300 Scan res and it scrams to 36Km (overloaded) and has an optimal of 34Km. Don't ask about the tank, it hasn't got one. ;-) Originally by: Doctor Mabuse A wife is just a T2 GF. They're more expensive and their resists are higher
Baron Agamemnon Caldari The Einherji	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:18:39 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:17:28 Originally by: Sloth Arnini Edited by: Sloth Arnini on 23/04/2010 14:44:59 I'd say don't overspecialise to take out a particular ship at the expense of being able to handle anything else. A Drake is too much ship for frigate devouring. I just put Warrior IIs in my Drake as they're the best frigate killing drones (fastest but not lowest DPS). I've heard Caracals with Assault Missile Launchers (not Heavy Assault Missile Launchers) are good for anti-frig work though. You can also buy and fit 4 of them for the price of a Drake + fittings. H: 5x assault missiles, M: 1x MWD, 1x warp disruptor, maybe web (make sure you can overheat), 2x LSE L: damage control, ballistic control system. Probably won't catch a Dramiel or intelligent inty pilot, but you have to rely on the other guy **ing up to catch frigs most of the time anyway Maybe web? Dual** web is the key, good sir http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10002130 (granted, it had only speed {3000m/s with his AB}, no MSE tank as it should have had, but he did make a fun desperate run for it. Also T1 guns for some wierd reason... I just wanted to show that speed is mostly irrelevant when facing a dual web caracal unless you can dictate range as well) But a dual web cara obviosuly is only a good frig hunter, nothing else. But then again, a dual web cara **s any frig out there, and 2 LSE would not save you anyways in most cases where you would die with 1 LSE. Only time I ever needed help to kill a frig in it was against a facion fitted vengance, and even then it just barly tanked me. --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire ** into space."
Arrador	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:18:39 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:17:28 Originally by: Sloth Arnini Edited by: Sloth Arnini on 23/04/2010 14:44:59 I'd say don't overspecialise to take out a particular ship at the expense of being able to handle anything else. A Drake is too much ship for frigate devouring. I just put Warrior IIs in my Drake as they're the best frigate killing drones (fastest but not lowest DPS). I've heard Caracals with Assault Missile Launchers (not Heavy Assault Missile Launchers) are good for anti-frig work though. You can also buy and fit 4 of them for the price of a Drake + fittings. H: 5x assault missiles, M: 1x MWD, 1x warp disruptor, maybe web (make sure you can overheat), 2x LSE L: damage control, ballistic control system. Probably won't catch a Dramiel or intelligent inty pilot, but you have to rely on the other guy **ing up to catch frigs most of the time anyway Maybe web? Dual** web is the key, good sir http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10002130 (granted, it had only speed {3000m/s with his AB}, no MSE tank as it should have had, but he did make a fun desperate run for it. Also T1 guns for some wierd reason... I just wanted to show that speed is mostly irrelevant when facing a dual web caracal unless you can dictate range as well) But a dual web cara obviosuly is only a good frig hunter, nothing else. But then again, a dual web cara ****s any frig out there, and 2 LSE would not save you anyways in most cases where you would die with 1 LSE. Only time I ever needed help to kill a frig in it was against a facion fitted vengance, and even then it just barly tanked me. The Man speaks truth. Except i run with scram + web. needs AWU lvl 4 My favorite fit: [Caracal, AML PVP] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x2
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:31:00 - [11] Question: Does the ship need to bait stupid frigates to attack or not? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Baron Agamemnon Caldari The Einherji	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:38:00 - [12] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:39:56 Originally by: Cpt Branko Question: Does the ship need to bait stupid frigates to attack or not? AML cara is becomming more and more known as a frig killer. So its increasingly hard to use it since frigs just warp away as soon as they see you. Here is where I really like the 28.8 km (overloaded) point though. You are faster then most AB frigs, and can happily MWD over tho them if you get a lock beore tehy warp. And it enables you to "kite" certain cruisers as well more easily. But then again, a fair bit of new players use the cara for missions and just generally fail fit it, so its either going to ** your frig, or you are going to the cara. "50/50" odds outside of low sec Edit: I think I misundersood your question. I guess it was directed at OP, not our cara discussion? --- "And thus, another of the world's dreamers died, taking his dreams with him. Just as John Lennon wanted world peace, Gerald Bull simply wanted a gun big enough to fire ** into space."
Cpt Branko Retired Pirate Club	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 23/04/2010 15:43:57 Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Edit: I think I misundersood your question. I guess it was directed at OP, not our cara discussion? Yes, I was asking the OP. Obviously if baiting frigates is not a issue then you use the optimal ship for the task, and if it is, well, then there are some imaginative fits which work. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Arrador	Posted - 2010.04.23 15:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 23/04/2010 15:39:56 Originally by: Cpt Branko Question: Does the ship need to bait stupid frigates to attack or not? AML cara is becomming more and more known as a frig killer. So its increasingly hard to use it since frigs just warp away as soon as they see you. Here is where I really like the 28.8 km (overloaded) point though. You are faster then most AB frigs, and can happily MWD over tho them if you get a lock beore tehy warp. And it enables you to "kite" certain cruisers as well more easily. But then again, a fair bit of new players use the cara for missions and just generally fail fit it, so its either going to ** your frig, or you are going to ** the cara. "50/50" odds outside of low sec Edit: I think I misundersood your question. I guess it was directed at OP, not our cara discussion? Yea, AML caracal works great. So good its becoming known and most frigs will run from you, and most cruisers will happily engage you :)
Wayay Bonnylad	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:27:00 - [15] How about a Destroyer of some sort? Perhaps the meanest, baddest frig killer there is ... the Thrasher? Destroyers are designed to maul any and all frigate sized ships, and the Thrasher is probably the best of the lot at achieving that aim. Lots of small autocannons and a built in tracking bonus, with space to fit a webber alongside the MWD and point/scram. You need no more. [Thrasher, Frig Killer] Gyrostabilizer II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Targeting System Subcontroller I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Adjust rigs to suit. I just threw any on there really, but with more than one projectile rig I found I had power grid issues. You could downsize to smaller guns for even more tracking and you will probably be able to get a second projectile rig to fit.
devin mapants	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:50:00 - [16] taranis blaster fit with scram can kill everything it can't outrun. Over 200 dps that goes 4k, 6k overheated and packs two warrior II's so you can drop them on a frigate and stay out of their range. [Taranis, hunter] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Salvager I /OFFLINE Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Warrior II x2
Perfection Tau	Posted - 2010.04.23 17:55:00 - [17] 650mm arti deals with frigsize in pretty fast and harsh way.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:32:00 - [18] Stealth bomber. 1. Uncloack 2. Throw bomb towards mass of small ships 3. GTFO 4. BOOM 5. Profit
Trader20	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:47:00 - [19] Domi, large neuts and warriors.
Wayay Bonnylad	Posted - 2010.04.23 18:51:00 - [20] Originally by: devin mapants taranis blaster fit with scram can kill everything it can't outrun. errrrr .... Dramiel dual propulsion. More DPS. More speed. More Warrior IIs. ;) On topic, though, if you want a bigger ship to take out frigs what about a Hurricane with 6 x D180s, 2 x Neuts, 2 Webs and a flight of Warrior IIs. A Cane can ruin the day of a whole load of frigates.
Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.04.23 19:33:00 - [21] I think the Drake is overkill. So are the other tier 2 BCs and only the foolhardy will hang around to fight you in what should be a frig on BC massacre. If you've good drone skills and you can find someone willing to engage, the Arbitrator is beastly against frigates. Unlike the Cara though, most frigate pilots learn very quickly how dangerous it is and give you a wide birth. The Cara has the unique aspect of being quite "killable" for a PVP frigate when the opponent is either an average miner or inexperienced pilot, while becoming lethal in the hands of a skilled PVP pilot. The good Baron has demonstrated this to good effect on my poor corp mates of late. Well-played Sir. In general, if you want ships that you can grow into while cutting down frigates, try one of the following: Rupture, Arbitrator, Vexor, and Thorax. All of these ships are very forgiving when facing frigates and they're not all that expensive when they get popped. Happy hunting. all the best, solomar
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:12:00 - [22] huginn/rapier
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.04.23 23:22:00 - [23] The good anti-frig ships are well known and will catch exactly zero competent pilots. Admittedly there are still plenty of idiots, but sometimes you need the element of surprise to catch a wily opponent. That means Rapiers/Huggins, BC's, Caracals, Vexors, HAC's (that aren't Zealots), etc are all out. So what to use for maximum WTF factor combined with a good chance of success? Osprey or Bellicose. Really. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
The Tzar T-Wrecks	Posted - 2010.04.24 00:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Stuart Price ... That means Rapiers/Huggins, BC's, Caracals, Vexors, HAC's (that aren't Zealots), etc are all out... So what to use for maximum WTF factor combined with a good chance of success? Osprey or Bellicose. Really. I forget the number of frig kills I've had in a beam zealot but yah as per your post, not sensible frig pilots I'm sure. Surprised you haven't mentioned ye olde gatling rail harpy tbh. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
Alsyth Night Warder	Posted - 2010.04.24 01:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Alsyth on 24/04/2010 01:08:04 If you want to do it with lots of class, a Daredevil. 90% web and 250+ railgun dps (overloaded : last 2 minutes, 30000 raw damage) with good tracking at 10km just rules :)
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.04.24 03:46:00 - [26] Originally by: The Tzar Originally by: Stuart Price ... That means Rapiers/Huggins, BC's, Caracals, Vexors, HAC's (that aren't Zealots), etc are all out... So what to use for maximum WTF factor combined with a good chance of success? Osprey or Bellicose. Really. I forget the number of frig kills I've had in a beam zealot but yah as per your post, not sensible frig pilots I'm sure. Surprised you haven't mentioned ye olde gatling rail harpy tbh. Problem with the Zealot generally is that once something is under the tracking it's pretty screwed. They'll melt frigs at sniper range but stick a Rifter within scram range and suddenly it's all a bit different :p Also, Gat-Harpy is good, but there are more than a few frigs that will tear it apart, starting with my personal favourite, the Crusader. Lastly: nice to see you still around chief o7 My account goes inactive soon, I may actually miss the forums a little :p Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
drake duka Minmatar D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.04.24 06:51:00 - [27] Vaga is one of the best ships for this, you are almost as fast as them but can track them well and use drones/med neut. Dramiel is another good one, plenty of ships can take out frigs though lol AML caracal/drake/cerb is really a waste of time imo because they are useless for anything else.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:44:00 - [28] Originally by: drake duka AML caracal not quite. for the price you can buy and fit a vagabond you can pretty much buy a crapload of caracals and fit them. and you still have insurance. as cost/effectiveness goes, aml caracal is a nice thing to have on gang --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:01:00 - [29] [Thrasher, AC] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Medium Shield Extender II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Gremlin Rocket Small Projectile Ambit Extension I Small Projectile Ambit Extension I [empty rig slot] Requires Weapons Upgrades and Advanced Weapons Upgrades to fit. This thing will eat most inties in 2-3 volleys and will chew through most AF's rapidly too. It will die horribly to any inties and AF's designed to get a long point and fight at range, but then again every inty or AF you kill is worth half a dozen of these put together, so just go buy another one and try again.
ImAPostingAlt	Posted - 2010.04.24 09:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Wayay Bonnylad Originally by: devin mapants taranis blaster fit with scram can kill everything it can't outrun. errrrr .... Dramiel dual propulsion. More DPS. More speed. More Warrior IIs. ;) On topic, though, if you want a bigger ship to take out frigs what about a Hurricane with 6 x D180s, 2 x Neuts, 2 Webs and a flight of Warrior IIs. A Cane can ruin the day of a whole load of frigates. Quit exagerating. A Dram is 80DPS short of a taranis on a good day, 120-130 if the Dram is speed fit. Dram will definately kill the 'ranis, but unless the 'ranis is fail fit there is no way it has less DPS than the Dram. For the OP the Daredevil is a great dogfighter, probably the best in the game(yes it can kill Drams too). You just won't be able to engage anything above frig class nearly as effective as a Dram.

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