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Karnov
Poor Old Ornery nOObs Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:48:00 -
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Here's the trick;
Your Empire Alliance has been wardecced and before you know it your valuable Pos has been put into reinforced.
The solution is simple, when the reinforced timer has 24 hours 30 minutes remaining remove your corp from the Alliance. Now your corp has surrendered and in 24 hours is free from the war. Couldn't be simpler.
But now you say they could simply re-declare war! Even then you've got 24 hours before they can shoot you again, plenty of time to take all your goodies from your pos and take it down.
If goons are giving you "respect" on CAOD, you pretty much know what you just did was a pile of ****. |
Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:53:00 -
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Nice trick, but a better trick is not to let anyone find out where your valuable high-sec POS is or alternatively, to take it down before the war takes effect.
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MrFkn Universe
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:15:00 -
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Lol, even the GM's have confirmed that its not an exploit, even tho technically it really should be.
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Ephemeron
G-Force Enterprises Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:20:00 -
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if that's true, it's definitely exploiting game mechanics
If GMs say it's not, they don't understand the game, simple as that. It's right up there with disbanding the corp and making new one to avoid war.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:25:00 -
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Exploiting game mechanics. In a sandbox. No way.
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Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:30:00 -
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This Makes Carebears across New Eden wet between their thighs Hardstyle Ambassador |
Woodwraith
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron if that's true, it's definitely exploiting game mechanics
If GMs say it's not, they don't understand the game, simple as that. It's right up there with disbanding the corp and making new one to avoid war.
Joining, then leaving an alliance to 'shed' a wardec has come up before, and was ruled an exploit. However, in the same vein as the logic that corp hoppers can't be told to stay in a corp, its a free choice to move, I suspect CCP would weigh in that a corp cannot be compelled to stay in an alliance at war. And ditching your corp to form a new one, unless I really missed something recently, is fair game, though lame. |
Arboreal Feline
Nondegradable Tritanium Space Rodents
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:12:00 -
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Clever use of game mechanics is using it every now and then, when you are not the aggressor. Exploit is when you abuse it constantly in order to further your agenda.
***************************** Sometimes I forget how dumb people are. Thank you for reminding me, OP. |
Baillif
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:26:00 -
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There is a counter to this trick. Ask Noir.
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karnov Here's the trick;
Your Empire Alliance has been wardecced and before you know it your valuable Pos has been put into reinforced.
The solution is simple, when the reinforced timer has 24 hours 30 minutes remaining remove your corp from the Alliance. Now your corp has surrendered and in 24 hours is free from the war. Couldn't be simpler.
But now you say they could simply re-declare war! Even then you've got 24 hours before they can shoot you again, plenty of time to take all your goodies from your pos and take it down.
Or you could just scrap all that and take it down during the war period or alternatively keep the pos up remove the labs etc (assuming thats what it is being used for) get some PoS gunners and have LOTS of fun.
Believe me it is far more fun fighting for a PoS than unachoring / anchoring it over and over. This is so not my main |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Anti Fundie Patrol
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:56:00 -
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Wait till they load their POS into a hauler and then BAM! Suicide tempest fleet
Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: FOl2TY8
I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence.
Yeah, I use that excuse too.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.04.27 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Wait till they load their POS into a hauler and then BAM! Suicide tempest fleet
You're doing it wrong. Suicide their hauler before the POS finishes unanchoring, pick up their POS in your hauler.
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Baillif There is a counter to this trick. Ask Noir.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Karnov Here's the trick;
Your Empire Alliance has been wardecced and before you know it your valuable Pos has been put into reinforced.
The solution is simple, when the reinforced timer has 24 hours 30 minutes remaining remove your corp from the Alliance. Now your corp has surrendered and in 24 hours is free from the war. Couldn't be simpler.
A certain song leaps to mind:
Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away, away! When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet He beat a very brave retreat, Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!
Seriously now, next to being pretty lame, how much loyalty points did you expect to garnish by leaving your Alliance like that? Want to find out? Try getting back in! LOL. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture! |
Killer Gandry
Caldari TerraNovae
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:28:00 -
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Heck it's a lot more fun to fight as long as you can. Have lot's of guns at the PoS and take your labs and stuff down and have sufficient ships in a hangar array at the PoS, tacklers and PoS gunners and voicecom.
Make the attacker bleed and have fun with eachother. Fighting can actually be fun if both sides act mature enough to keep the smack out.
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Jogvan
NibbleTek RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:36:00 -
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Had some guys do that do us, fortunately we were also in a alliance so when the pos rf timer was down to 20 hours we left our alliance and all wars get extended another 24 hours. Pos owner lost about 6b of towers + labs
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Fat Buddah
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Posted - 2010.04.28 07:04:00 -
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what would the rest of the alliance think though? here they are, being shot up and station camped.. and then this member corp goes 'oh, we gotta save our pos' and leaves the alliance..
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Dr Karsun
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:48:00 -
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Counter trick? War dec the corp it self and guess what? When the pos goes out of reinforce your fleet already is there waiting for the war declaration to start again and whack the living crap out of you.
And besides... that's not really an issue. You want to fight the alliance, not the corp, right? Even if... Corp jumpers are far more irritating. Have a 1 man corp war dec you, find you and the moment they see a tasty target, approach you in neut ships, get accepted to the war deccing corp and kill you. Seen that problem so much on the forums, but as far as I know that IS a bannable offence?
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 10:23:00 -
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Maybe they should make it a way where they cant surrender.
Like if an alliance is wardecced, and a corp leaves, the corp wont surrender and instead will still be affected by the war until the end of the time, ofc the person wardeccing will have to pay for the additional dec This is so not my main
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Feline Ferocity
Caldari Asshats with Baseball Bats Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
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Posted - 2010.04.28 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Feline Ferocity on 28/04/2010 11:07:34 So here we are, the war of Game Mechanics vs Game Mechanics:
The guys in question lost their pos in the end anyways.
2.5+bn isk lost in just 4 days. Well, say 3.5days since they left during a war (not to mention a few new monitors and a claim or 2 on the health insurance).
Game mechanics, you gotta love them
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Roastedpot
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.04.28 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun Counter trick? War dec the corp it self and guess what? When the pos goes out of reinforce your fleet already is there waiting for the war declaration to start again and whack the living crap out of you.
you don't wardec much do you?
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Feline Ferocity Edited by: Feline Ferocity on 28/04/2010 11:07:34 So here we are, the war of Game Mechanics vs Game Mechanics:
The guys in question lost their pos in the end anyways.
2.5+bn isk lost in just 4 days. Well, say 3.5days since they left during a war (not to mention a few new monitors and a claim or 2 on the health insurance).
Game mechanics, you gotta love them
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Well its nice to see you get your revenge but tbh considering how cheap it is to have a no faction pos up I dont know why they would do that This is so not my main
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Nobzy
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun Counter trick? War dec the corp it self and guess what? When the pos goes out of reinforce your fleet already is there waiting for the war declaration to start again and whack the living crap out of you.
And besides... that's not really an issue. You want to fight the alliance, not the corp, right? Even if... Corp jumpers are far more irritating. Have a 1 man corp war dec you, find you and the moment they see a tasty target, approach you in neut ships, get accepted to the war deccing corp and kill you. Seen that problem so much on the forums, but as far as I know that IS a bannable offence?
You so completely missed the point of the OP.
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Ivas Tiffy
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun Counter trick? War dec the corp it self and guess what? When the pos goes out of reinforce your fleet already is there waiting for the war declaration to start again and whack the living crap out of you.
And besides... that's not really an issue. You want to fight the alliance, not the corp, right? Even if... Corp jumpers are far more irritating. Have a 1 man corp war dec you, find you and the moment they see a tasty target, approach you in neut ships, get accepted to the war deccing corp and kill you. Seen that problem so much on the forums, but as far as I know that IS a bannable offence?
joining a corp like that IS an exploit and will get you banned.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rashmika Clavain on 28/04/2010 16:43:06
I think CCP have said that it's an exploit/petitionable issue if:
*a Corp is wardecced and then joins and alliance to transfer the dec onto said alliance *said corp leaves said alliance free of wardec
Leaving an alliance to avoid a wardec is not exploit. Joining an alliance and then leaving to bump the dec onto the alliance and then leaving the alliance IS an exploit/petitionable issue.
A caldari fw corp did a similar thing a few months back. They had an alt corp drop a POS in Gallente space, and then joined the alt corp to the Caldari militia. There was much forum trolling, chest beating and ****/****oris waving... untill the POS was put into reinforced.
Some peopel expected the corp to drop from FW and slapped in wardecs, but they were too slow to be honest. The corp was then dropped, as expected, from the militia just before it came out of reinforced and said corp joined an alliance.
That was not an exploit; if they had then left the alliance with the wardecs still active then yes.
Does it make sense?
EDIT: awww **** and **** are censored?
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.04.28 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Karsun Counter trick? War dec the corp it self and guess what? When the pos goes out of reinforce your fleet already is there waiting for the war declaration to start again and whack the living crap out of you.
You have no clue what you're talking about. If a corp leaves an alliance during a wardec, the attackers would need to re-vote in a wardec vs the corp (you can't dec or call a vote to dec a single corp while its in an alliance), meaning it's a minimum of 48 hours before the new dec takes effect. The obvious problem here is that the defending corp gets a minimum of 24 hours of immunity from attack after leaving the alliance.
Originally by: Dr Karsun And besides... that's not really an issue. You want to fight the alliance, not the corp, right?
No, you wanted to kill the POS and then scoop the billions of isk worth of modules.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron if that's true, it's definitely exploiting game mechanics
If GMs say it's not, they don't understand the game, simple as that. It's right up there with disbanding the corp and making new one to avoid war.
You want to kill my POS. I want to save my POS. You do ALL to kill my POS. I do ALL to save my POS.
What you do is wardec me against my wish. What I do is avoid your wardec against your wish.
Your doing is fine. But my doing is an exploid?
YOU are a funny bunny
First think to learn when talking with selve called PvP kiddys: they are allowed to do ALL (even cheating if it's needed (see local avoid bug abuse)) to win and you aren't allowed to do anythink but sit and wait to die!
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:44:00 -
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Quote: And ditching your corp to form a new one, unless I really missed something recently, is fair game, though lame.
Declaring war on a corporation that won't net (the declarer) profits isn't lame tho.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:02:00 -
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People had to read this post to figure this out?
Next were going to learn that you can join an NPC corp to get out of a war.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Epegi Givo
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Epegi Givo on 29/04/2010 00:10:38
Originally by: Jogvan Had some guys do that do us, fortunately we were also in a alliance so when the pos rf timer was down to 20 hours we left our alliance and all wars get extended another 24 hours. Pos owner lost about 6b of towers + labs
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