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Artanis Creed	Posted - 2010.04.26 23:49:00 - [1] head over to mektek.net for the details. It should be available for download soon. (soon = anytime from now to a couple days.)
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Culmen on 27/04/2010 01:10:52 Nice! Time to break out the Timber Wolf and go stomping. Whats a Timber Wolf? Go look it up you inner sphere stravags! Though to be honest I have mixed feelings about the whole gun/missile/laser/omni slot system. On one hand it really made the mechs feel different from each other. On the other hand my inner sploiter is saddened you can no longer create a machinegun boat. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Artanis Creed	Posted - 2010.04.27 01:37:00 - [3] there are a few mechs that have a bunch of ballistic slots. but y would u want MGs? they suck!
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.27 02:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Artanis Creed there are a few mechs that have a bunch of ballistic slots. but y would u want MGs? they suck! The machine gun boat was one of the originators of the term boat. The plan was, take a Mad Dog (AKA Vulture). Fill it up with 12 machine guns. Ditch the heat sinks and fill it up with engines and armor. The result was a mech that could Alpha strike continously. And while the individual guns were weak, 12 of them could pwn anything up to and including an assault mech in 1-2 seconds of continuous fire. Basically run up, shred mech, repeat. It was a game breaker for Mechwarrior 2, and has been nerfed in almost every future incarnation. and further more why do i even need a sig?
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.27 08:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Artanis Creed there are a few mechs that have a bunch of ballistic slots. but y would u want MGs? they suck! The machine gun boat was one of the originators of the term boat. The plan was, take a Mad Dog (AKA Vulture). Fill it up with 12 machine guns. Ditch the heat sinks and fill it up with engines and armor. The result was a mech that could Alpha strike continously. And while the individual guns were weak, 12 of them could pwn anything up to and including an assault mech in 1-2 seconds of continuous fire. Basically run up, shred mech, repeat. It was a game breaker for Mechwarrior 2, and has been nerfed in almost every future incarnation. that was insane. I prefer the quad LRM20 vulture tho. plinging people at range with 80 missiles = lol --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.04.27 10:44:00 - [6] MW intros best intros. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
M'ktakh	Posted - 2010.04.27 10:57:00 - [7] And still, MW3 was soooo much better. Targeting computer, Large Pulses, and legshots.
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.04.27 12:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Artanis Creed there are a few mechs that have a bunch of ballistic slots. but y would u want MGs? they suck! The machine gun boat was one of the originators of the term boat. The plan was, take a Mad Dog (AKA Vulture). Fill it up with 12 machine guns. Ditch the heat sinks and fill it up with engines and armor. The result was a mech that could Alpha strike continously. And while the individual guns were weak, 12 of them could pwn anything up to and including an assault mech in 1-2 seconds of continuous fire. Basically run up, shred mech, repeat. It was a game breaker for Mechwarrior 2, and has been nerfed in almost every future incarnation. That's pretty cool, I still have my MW2 ATI 3D rage edition. If only I had my old 3d rage PC, the titanium version is just not the same. __________________________________________
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.27 14:17:00 - [9] Originally by: M'ktakh And still, MW3 was soooo much better. Targeting computer, Large Pulses, and legshots. it was awesome, but you only got one shot because it'd instagib your heatsinks - Malyutka (The Virus) -
spectre257	Posted - 2010.04.27 15:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Artanis Creed there are a few mechs that have a bunch of ballistic slots. but y would u want MGs? they suck! The machine gun boat was one of the originators of the term boat. The plan was, take a Mad Dog (AKA Vulture). Fill it up with 12 machine guns. Ditch the heat sinks and fill it up with engines and armor. The result was a mech that could Alpha strike continously. And while the individual guns were weak, 12 of them could pwn anything up to and including an assault mech in 1-2 seconds of continuous fire. Basically run up, shred mech, repeat. It was a game breaker for Mechwarrior 2, and has been nerfed in almost every future incarnation. You can recreate this to a certain extent in Mechwarrior 4: Black Knight by outfitting chain autocannons on a mech with lots of slots. Aside from the occasional jam you can down pretty much any mech with machinegun like fire rate and autocannon firepower.
Artanis Creed	Posted - 2010.04.27 19:16:00 - [11] hollander IIC with a CRAC20
Gambit Stryder Privateers	Posted - 2010.04.27 19:24:00 - [12] I always preferred AC20/LBX20 boats. Good luck hitting me when your mech is rocking all over the place.
Cikulisuy Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.04.27 19:48:00 - [13] my favorite in MW4 was that one assault mech (daishi?) you could strap 4 ppc banks on it. alphaing would almost immediately shut you down, but you could barbecue just about any mech from an absurd range. nub> you cant mine so you kill.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.27 22:16:00 - [14] Edited by: Grimpak on 27/04/2010 22:18:33 Originally by: Cikulisuy my favorite in MW4 was that one assault mech (daishi?) you could strap 4 ppc banks on it. alphaing would almost immediately shut you down, but you could barbecue just about any mech from an absurd range. nova cat? oh and Dire Wolf (Daishi) is not assault, but heavy. assault I prefer a mad cat mk. II 90ton jumpjet capable mech with LRM's and gauss. oh yeah --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.27 22:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak oh and Dire Wolf (Daishi) is not assault, but heavy. The Dire Wolf (Daishi) is the 100 ton assault mech. Its the TIMBER Wolf (Mad Cat) thats the 75 ton assault mech. Wow we got a real battletech nerd convention here... and further more why do i even need a sig?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.04.27 23:46:00 - [16] I think it's interesting to see such a wide variety of preferences with respect to mechs and loadouts. A true sign of great game design. As for me, I bought/played the original Battletech box game on cardboard hex grids on the floor of my bedroom as a kid. Technical Readouts where my bibles. Of course I played MW1/2/3/4 as well. I was disappointed that they stuck to the 'board game' rules when they built the computer games however. I would have liked to see a more realistic 'sim' style design where large caliber guns had the greatest range but longest reload time and worst tracking (attach turret traverse rate to gun size). - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Jarik Utoni Minmatar Valhalla Industries	Posted - 2010.04.27 23:54:00 - [17] back in the day i rocked a heavy Sniping Daishi. good times, good times __________________ -Jarik Utoni, --Cov Ops Pilot ---T2 Frigate Specialist d(^.^)b The Story of Jarik Utoni
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.28 02:10:00 - [18] i never quite understood mechwarrior. It seemed to be based around the loose bit of 'im in a mech. ***.' Also, I think walking vehicles are completely stupid, in almost any incarnation.. I cant see any logical reason to use a walking frame over a treaded frame. (yeh, height, but if you really needed the height you could make a telescoping extender into the body..) remind me again why mechwarrior was so great? Originally by:** CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Anti Fundie Patrol	Posted - 2010.04.28 03:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Lance Fighter i never quite understood mechwarrior. It seemed to be based around the loose bit of 'im in a mech. ***.' Also, I think walking vehicles are completely stupid, in almost any incarnation.. I cant see any logical reason to use a walking frame over a treaded frame. (yeh, height, but if you really needed the height you could make a telescoping extender into the body..) remind me again why mechwarrior was so great? 'cause they cool Originally by:** Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.28 03:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Lance Fighter i never quite understood mechwarrior. It seemed to be based around the loose bit of 'im in a mech. ***.' Also, I think walking vehicles are completely stupid, in almost any incarnation.. I cant see any logical reason to use a walking frame over a treaded frame. (yeh, height, but if you really needed the height you could make a telescoping extender into the body..) remind me again why mechwarrior was so great? 'cause they cool i expected nothing more, or less, from you surfin Originally by:** CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.28 03:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Lance Fighter i never quite understood mechwarrior. It seemed to be based around the loose bit of 'im in a mech. *****.' Also, I think walking vehicles are completely stupid, in almost any incarnation.. I cant see any logical reason to use a walking frame over a treaded frame. (yeh, height, but if you really needed the height you could make a telescoping extender into the body..) remind me again why mechwarrior was so great? Because Chicks Dig Giant Robots! And while I think bipedal giant robots will never be an effective fighting machine. That still doesn't stop it from being cool. On that note I think Multiped vehicles might be viable. They offer several advantages, namely the ability to traverse barricades such as dragons teeth or collapsed rubble, giving them an advantage in urban conditions. Power armor on the other hand is another story, the US is working on it already, short term it'll increase the carry capacity of unmounted infantry. Longer term it could enable a squad acess to heavy weaponry that is currently difficult to manpack. I can already think of Javelin teams that would debase them selves for something like that. Think of it as somewhere inbetween a soldier on foot and an IFV and further more why do i even need a sig?
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.28 04:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Lance Fighter i never quite understood mechwarrior. It seemed to be based around the loose bit of 'im in a mech. ****.' Also, I think walking vehicles are completely stupid, in almost any incarnation.. I cant see any logical reason to use a walking frame over a treaded frame. (yeh, height, but if you really needed the height you could make a telescoping extender into the body..) remind me again why mechwarrior was so great? Because Chicks Dig Giant Robots! And while I think bipedal giant robots will never be an effective fighting machine. That still doesn't stop it from being cool. On that note I think Multiped vehicles might be viable. They offer several advantages, namely the ability to traverse barricades such as dragons teeth or collapsed rubble, giving them an advantage in urban conditions. Power armor on the other hand is another story, the US is working on it already, short term it'll increase the carry capacity of unmounted infantry. Longer term it could enable a squad acess to heavy weaponry that is currently difficult to manpack. I can already think of Javelin teams that would debase them selves for something like that. Think of it as somewhere inbetween a soldier on foot and an IFV i could agree, power armor, or a powered exoskeleton would be useful. Big enough tracks or a big enough gun will get you past the dragons teeth and rubble.. and imo, tracks provide a small enough turning radius for urban conditions, not to mention the whole rotating turret part. also, i love wearing giant signs that say shoot me right here to stop all movement!* or, run a wire around my legs in circles to immobilize me! Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
Culmen Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.04.28 04:39:00 - [23] Edited by: Culmen on 28/04/2010 04:42:21 Edited by: Culmen on 28/04/2010 04:40:32 Originally by: Lance Fighter Big enough tracks or a big enough gun will get you past the dragons teeth and rubble.. and imo, tracks provide a small enough turning radius for urban conditions, not to mention the whole rotating turret part. True, but a big gun or big track can solve any problem. Theres a division of mechanized infantry up ahead? Fire up a nuclear tipped 800mm cannon! You'll be surprised how resilient reinforced concrete is. There's a good reason most armies have combat engineers, and that's to take out obsticals. The best a tank can do is fit a dozer blade and hope it wasn't anchored. A multiped can skip calling in the guys with shaped charges. Also there are plenty of urban settings where theres a vertical terrace a couple of meters high. You'd need some laughably big threads to get over that. But I'll concede, nobodies made an effective walker that can surmount a road curb, let a lone dragon's teeth. Furthermore Multipeds and Turrets are not mutually exclusive. Originally by: Lance Fighter also, i love wearing giant signs that say shoot me right here to stop all movement! or, run a wire around my legs in circles to immobilize me! Also the same can be said about tracks. After all one failure on the track or associated guide or return wheel will take out the entire track. A leg has slightly more redundancy. Namely three or more other legs. Where as tacking out a single track on a tank would prevent it from doing anything but turn. Furthermore aside from the joints the leg parts can be encased in solid armor. also run wire around leg doesnt work that well under fire,especially with infantry support. If a tank were in a situation like that the person could just as easily plant a charge PS yes I am ****ing bored. PPS yes i am also a mech fanboi, but only if it tries to be realistic, Gundam can go suck it! and further more why do i even need a sig?
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.28 05:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Lance Fighter also, i love wearing giant signs that say shoot me right here to stop all movement! or, run a wire around my legs in circles to immobilize me! Also the same can be said about tracks. After all one failure on the track or associated guide or return wheel will take out the entire track. A leg has slightly more redundancy. Namely three or more other legs. Where as tacking out a single track on a tank would prevent it from doing anything but turn. Furthermore aside from the joints the leg parts can be encased in solid armor. also run wire around leg doesnt work that well under fire,especially with infantry support. If a tank were in a situation like that the person could just as easily plant a charge PS yes I am **ing bored. PPS yes i am also a mech fanboi, but only if it tries to be realistic, Gundam can go suck it! well, its just.. as you said, nobody has made a multiped that can climb curbs :p a track is an inherently simpler method, and can be made redundant quite easily given current technology. The way I see it, it is easier to armor a tank tread then to armor a leg.. the problem with hydraulics comes to mind, mainly that a single cut in the line is pretty much the end for that section. and yeah, running a line around the leg was mostly just what came to mind when i thought of the last time ive seen a multiped (star wars, battle at hoth? ok ive probably seen them more recently, but those come to mind) Honestly, the whole biped frame that us humans are on seems so weak. Especally the legs and arms.. if more of that could be part of the center mass and still maintain mobility (wheels of some sort, lol), itd make more sense. oh, and ill also admit that when someone mentions dragon teeth, i immediately think Total Annihilation style dragon teeth, which totally died if you had enough guns on the field... Originally by:** CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.28 07:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Akita T on 28/04/2010 07:34:14 Originally by: Lance Fighter Honestly, the whole biped frame that us humans are on seems so weak. Especally the legs and arms.. if more of that could be part of the center mass and still maintain mobility (wheels of some sort, lol), itd make more sense. Edit : examples Except that humans are one of the best endurance/distance runner animals on Earth, about on par with horses and dogs. Also, we can traverse most types of terrain by just using our feet, very few (and very difficult) terrains require the use of hands. And we can do it all with minimal shock/vibration to the head. All of the above sound pretty damn good for a fighting vehicle with a pilot, at least for certain terrains... if only we could get rid of that pesky "material resistance ~size^2, weight ~size^3" problem when we scale it all up. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.04.28 09:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Grimpak on 28/04/2010 09:08:20 Originally by: Culmen Originally by: Grimpak oh and Dire Wolf (Daishi) is not assault, but heavy. The Dire Wolf (Daishi) is the 100 ton assault mech. Its the TIMBER Wolf (Mad Cat) thats the 75 ton assault mech. Wow we got a real battletech nerd convention here... Mk. II is still the best tbh dual gauss + LRM20 racks with jumpjets whoohooooo Originally by: Akita T stuff how about quads? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.04.28 10:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak how about quads? Linkage - we already have some small ones _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Tozmeister Digital Fury Corporation Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.04.28 14:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Culmen But I'll concede, nobodies made an effective walker that can surmount a road curb, let a lone dragon's teeth. Say what now? These things are beyond prototype now and being built by John Deere and used in (iirc) Norway or Sweden were they can access the mountain forests without having to cut a road resulting in much less environmental damage. Just needs a couple of .50 cals and a Stinger launcher welding to the back... +++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.04.28 16:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 28/04/2010 07:38:18 Originally by: Lance Fighter Honestly, the whole biped frame that us humans are on seems so weak. Especally the legs and arms.. if more of that could be part of the center mass and still maintain mobility (wheels of some sort, lol), itd make more sense. Edit : examples Except that humans are one of the best endurance/distance runner animals on Earth, about on par with horses and dogs. Also, we can traverse most types of terrain by just using our feet, very few (and very difficult) terrains require the use of hands. And we can do it all with minimal shock/vibration to the head. All of the above sound pretty damn good for a fighting vehicle with a pilot, at least for certain terrains... if only we could get rid of that pesky "material resistance ~size^2, weight ~size^3" problem when we scale it all up. P.P.S. Sadly, most "mechs" in sci-fi of all kinds DON'T have all the necessary features of human-like bipedalism. Those in mechwarrior certainly don't. the problem isnt that the design isnt great, its been honed by thousands of years of evolution. The problem is that if someone cuts off your leg, you cant run. And a leg is far easier to chop through, or at least injure enough to uselessness than.. say, a wheeled system. and as you say, weight scales as it does, it would seem you could create a system of wheels with less surface area to protect then a walker.. Originally by: CCP Shadow Have you ever wished you could have prevented a train wreck before it actually happened? I need to stop this one before the craziness begins.
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.04.29 08:13:00 - [30] I always enjoyed loading up a Daishi or Hauptman with three Clan LBX20's. Insta-gibbing targets of 75 tons or less at close range with a center torso alpha strike is rather amusing...and they can even take out an Atlas in two volleys if your aim is perfect. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"

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