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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 18:46:00 -
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Someone asked if there were going to be any new isk sinks in the upcoming expansion. I jokingly said that the forums and local chat were going to have fees for using. After kidding about it I put some more thought into it and figured "Hey this might actually work."
What I would do is charge to use SOME of the forums, things like out of pod, general discussion, fittings and missions should remain free. The ones I would really target are Features and Ideas, Assembly Hall and most of all CAOD.
5m to start a thread.
1m to post in thread.
10m fine when a GM moves thread to one of fees required forums. (because it was posted in the wrong area)
No isk on alt = no posting.
The local channel could get cleaned up A LOT if you were charged 10k per ascii character you posted in ANY local channel. So saying "hello" to someone would cost 50k isk.
Thoughts?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 18:54:00 -
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and people posting stupid ideas in F&ID get fined 1bn isk. please send the money to CCP Zymurgist.
Thank you in advance.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:06:00 -
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 Originally by: darius mclever
and people posting stupid ideas in F&ID get fined 1bn isk. please send the money to CCP Zymurgist.
Thank you in advance.
Yeah it would totally suck to have to put some thought into your posts eh?
darius mclever - Features and Ideas Discussion - 53,38% (1743 posts)
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:09:00 -
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other than fined when GM has to do stuff this is the most god awful idea i have ever seen
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Jaggati Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:17:00 -
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actually not an entirely dumb idea though i was thinking this could be part of a sov/maintenance fee for 'subspace beacons' so that the alliance can access the channels in their sov - for anyone else it would be blank like wh space (unless someone speaks)
would make things more interesting huh?
though i am of course on about game wise - i really dont think you should pay to post on forums lol
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
darius mclever - Features and Ideas Discussion - 53,38% (1743 posts)
Oh so many posts already?:) nice! Where did you find those stats?
on the topic ... so you want to punish people for forming an active community around the game?
So I guess you play that game as a single player game and are happy over every minute where you dont have to talk to other people?
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:22:00 -
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Same place I found this:
darius mclever - Assembly Hall - 34,33% (1121 posts)
Of coarse you don't like it, you'd be pushing 3 bil isk in trolling people. For someone with as many posts as you have I'm shocked you don't know where those stats came from, maybe you should do some more reading and less posting.
Forcing people to question weather their stupid ideas are worth presenting here on the forums could weed out a lot of the Troll. If you feel it is a punishment then you are obviously a troll.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Same place I found this:
darius mclever - Assembly Hall - 34,33% (1121 posts)
Of coarse you don't like it, you'd be pushing 3 bil isk in trolling people. For someone with as many posts as you have I'm shocked you don't know where those stats came from, maybe you should do some more reading and less posting.
Forcing people to question weather their stupid ideas are worth presenting here on the forums could weed out a lot of the Troll. If you feel it is a punishment then you are obviously a troll.
Yeah, questioning other people's ideas and working for improvements is definitely trolling.
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TheZealot O0O0O
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Yeah, questioning mindlessly criticizing other people's ideas and working for improvements is definitely trolling.
Fixed
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:34:00 -
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Making people question their own ideas before they post them (because they would have to pay) would be much more effective than you running around calling people stupid.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: darius mclever on 29/04/2010 19:36:16
Originally by: Sig Sour
Making people question their own ideas before they post them (because they would have to pay) would be much more effective than you running around calling people stupid.
And how does this help with getting an active community?
"I cant pvp atm. Wanna run that mission so I can discuss with my friends on the forums."
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Thoughts?
Dumbest idea I have seen today.
A discussion forum is to foment discussion, not to limit it. We want good ideas, bad ideas, all ideas (heck, even your idea has a place here). All ideas can start a discussion, ending in good ideas in the end.
But not yours, sorry...
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
And how does this help with getting an active community?
"I cant pvp atm. Wanna run that mission so I can discuss with my friends on the forums."
Thanks for proving my point that you don't read. (see below)
Originally by: Sig Sour
What I would do is charge to use SOME of the forums, things like out of pod, general discussion, fittings and missions should remain free.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: darius mclever
And how does this help with getting an active community?
"I cant pvp atm. Wanna run that mission so I can discuss with my friends on the forums."
Thanks for proving my point that you don't read. (see below)
Originally by: Sig Sour
What I would do is charge to use SOME of the forums, things like out of pod, general discussion, fittings and missions should remain free.
I did read it, and it's still a bad idea...
Even worse, it won't stop the trolls and terrible ideas (like yours), just allow the rich to troll, and the poor to suffer. Even if they have a good idea.
Let it go, bad idea is bad.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: darius mclever
And how does this help with getting an active community?
"I cant pvp atm. Wanna run that mission so I can discuss with my friends on the forums."
Thanks for proving my point that you don't read. (see below)
Originally by: Sig Sour
What I would do is charge to use SOME of the forums, things like out of pod, general discussion, fittings and missions should remain free.
why do you want to decide for other people in what part of the community they want to take part?
If you would make some forums cost money ... the feature discussions would just move elsewhere (general discussion maybe, we get a lot of threads moved from there). So instead of having one forum for ideas discussion, CCP would need to monitor all other subforums if there useful ideas.
The community would definitely gain a lot from that.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
why do you want to decide for other people in what part of the community they want to take part?
If you would make some forums cost money ... the feature discussions would just move elsewhere (general discussion maybe, we get a lot of threads moved from there). So instead of having one forum for ideas discussion, CCP would need to monitor all other subforums if there useful ideas.
The community would definitely gain a lot from that.
The idea is to get people to put thought into their posts. You are doing an incredible job here at proving why this would be a good idea, and I thank you for that.
If you would have actually taken the time to consider what my OP contained, you would realize that people would be punished for trying to avoid the fees by putting Features and Ideas into general discussion - the 10 million isk to move it.
Sadly because there is no drawback to trolling, very good ideas get buried by SOSDD threads (cloaks and salvage). Also good ideas are often trolled into non-existence because trolls DON'T BOTHER TO READ THE OP. Introducing fees is nothing more than anti-troll, anti-spam. People with legit ideas and opinions are willing to back them with isk.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: darius mclever
why do you want to decide for other people in what part of the community they want to take part?
If you would make some forums cost money ... the feature discussions would just move elsewhere (general discussion maybe, we get a lot of threads moved from there). So instead of having one forum for ideas discussion, CCP would need to monitor all other subforums if there useful ideas.
The community would definitely gain a lot from that.
The idea is to get people to put thought into their posts. You are doing an incredible job here at proving why this would be a good idea, and I thank you for that.
If you would have actually taken the time to consider what my OP contained, you would realize that people would be punished for trying to avoid the fees by putting Features and Ideas into general discussion - the 10 million isk to move it.
Sadly because there is no drawback to trolling, very good ideas get buried by SOSDD threads (cloaks and salvage). Also good ideas are often trolled into non-existence because trolls DON'T BOTHER TO READ THE OP. Introducing fees is nothing more than anti-troll, anti-spam. People with legit ideas and opinions are willing to back them with isk.
Rich trolls can troll all day, and post bad ideas, but not-so-wealthy players cannot post at all. Even if they have a good idea.
Dude... Please...
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 29/04/2010 20:21:49
Originally by: Party Scout
Rich trolls can troll all day, and post bad ideas, but not-so-wealthy players cannot post at all. Even if they have a good idea.
Rich trolls... no, wealthy players play the game, not the forum.
Just another reason to back this, if you cant even come up with 5 mil isk for CCP to hear your idea, you are not experienced enough in this game to have your idea heard. Sorry.
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Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Making people question their own ideas before they post them (because they would have to pay) would be much more effective than you running around calling people stupid.
Originally by: darius mclever
Edited by: darius mclever on 29/04/2010 19:36:16
And how does this help with getting an active community?
"I cant pvp atm. Wanna run that mission so I can discuss with my friends on the forums."
You have friends? On the forums?!?
While the idea appeals, it's never gonna happen. Forum access comes with the subscription. Everyone who pays to play gets a say here. Of course some people abuse that priviage, but the worst offenders get a sound smack down. Dealing with the uninformed masses is the price of free comunication.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Edited by: Sig Sour on 29/04/2010 20:21:49
Originally by: Party Scout
Rich trolls can troll all day, and post bad ideas, but not-so-wealthy players cannot post at all. Even if they have a good idea.
Rich trolls... no, wealthy players play the game, not the forum.
Just another reason to back this, if you cant even come up with 5 mil isk for CCP to hear your idea, you are not experienced enough in this game to have your idea heard. Sorry.
Ideas are incredibly valuable. But not for us, for CCP. It is in their best interest to get ideas for free. How many ideas given by forum players have they implemented? Probably quite a bit. Considering they get them for free from players, I say that is a pretty darn good deal.
I should not have to PAY to get heard. It is in their best interest to listen to me and all players. That's how they can be successful.
If they ever charge ISK for posting in the forum? I can tell you I would never EVER come into the forum. Whether I have a good idea or not. I would avoid like a plague. It would be dumb if I had to pay to talk.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Party Scout
If they ever charge ISK for posting in the forum? I can tell you I would never EVER come into the forum. Whether I have a good idea or not. I would avoid like a plague. It would be dumb if I had to pay to talk.
If someone at CCP is reading this thread they see clear as day your IP. If it is the same as darius mclever, they just fell out of their chair laughing.
You want to start making threats about never posting again, use your main and lets see what kind of a community member we would lose.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Party Scout
If they ever charge ISK for posting in the forum? I can tell you I would never EVER come into the forum. Whether I have a good idea or not. I would avoid like a plague. It would be dumb if I had to pay to talk.
If someone at CCP is reading this thread they see clear as day your IP. If it is the same as darius mclever, they just fell out of their chair laughing.
You want to start making threats about never posting again, use your main and lets see what kind of a community member we would lose.
I only post on this alt, so search away. Don't believe me? I don't care. If CCP have any reason to ban me, it is between me and them. Not you.
Your idea STILL sucks, and you are doing a terrible job of defending it by personally attacking me.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Same place I found this:
darius mclever - Assembly Hall - 34,33% (1121 posts)
Of coarse you don't like it, you'd be pushing 3 bil isk in trolling people. For someone with as many posts as you have I'm shocked you don't know where those stats came from, maybe you should do some more reading and less posting.
Forcing people to question weather their stupid ideas are worth presenting here on the forums could weed out a lot of the Troll. If you feel it is a punishment then you are obviously a troll.
Or you could stop trolling your own thread, its a silly idea, you would be destroying the whole point of eve, to be a community, just because you don't like troll posts.
oh and darius mclever
you can find it here
The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
Torothanax
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:44:00 -
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Ya shoulda let clever boy figure it out on his own. He's an expert on everything don't ya know?
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Syberbolt8
you can find it here
ah cool :)
thanks
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Tobias Xiaosen
Total Xenophobia
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.30 03:14:00 -
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This is hands down the worst idea I've ever seen for Eve.
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Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Hand That Feeds
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Posted - 2010.04.30 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
What I would do is charge to use SOME of the forums, things like out of pod, general discussion, fittings and missions should remain free. The ones I would really target are Features and Ideas, Assembly Hall and most of all CAOD.
5m to start a thread.
1m to post in thread.
10m fine when a GM moves thread to one of fees required forums. (because it was posted in the wrong area)
No isk on alt = no posting.
The local channel could get cleaned up A LOT if you were charged 10k per ascii character you posted in ANY local channel. So saying "hello" to someone would cost 50k isk.
Thoughts?
Whilst I agree with the concept of the idea, I do believe that the cost is a little high.
Think that this is more about right:
1m to start a thread. (heck you can start a Corp with 2m)
Standard CSPA to post in thread.
10m fine when a GM moves thread to one of fees required forums. (because it was posted in the wrong area)
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.04.30 09:24:00 -
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A Very Bad Plan. You wish to make it harder for new players to ask for advice/help in local? The answer would cost money as well, limiting the people wanting to give advice as well. Or do you hate the idea of people chatting while ratting, mining, missioning, hell, even pvping?
Ideas should be easy to make and critic for anyone, not just the older, wealthier players
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.30 10:02:00 -
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Forum posting is a right, not a privilege.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.04.30 21:37:00 -
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The entire front page for Features and Ideas today is filled with the same stuff, just new threads.
Looking good folks, looking good...
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