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TrouNoir
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:23:00 -
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So i am going to set up an alt account pretty soon when i can afford a second PC to assist with ratting and mining etc. I have an IRL friend who is keen to play EvE online, but since he is still in college he can't afford his own account. I said he could use my alt to play with me when it's created. I was wondering if this is against EULA, because my friend would only be playing on weekends when he gets back from his dorm, and we wouldnt technically be sharing an account, i would just be letting him play on it from time to time. I will be taking care of all the skills and the payments, so CCP isnt being scammed out of money or anything. I'd like to be very clear that this isn't a case of two people sharing an account or sharing payments, he will just be using my account on weekends.
Can i get some feedback on the legality of this?
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:29:00 -
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Should be okay, AFAIK. ________________________
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/04/2010 12:35:22
Originally by: Dan O'Connor Should be okay, AFAIK.
... if you don't shout out about you doing it.
Account sharing = more than one person using an account. Though you aren't too likely to be punished for doing so.
Although keep in mind that if your friend turns around and steals that account or gives the account information to someone else, CCP can't do anything about it since you were acting outside the EULA/TOS. _____
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TrouNoir
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 30/04/2010 12:35:22
... if you don't shout out about you doing it.
Account sharing = more than one person using an account. Though you aren't too likely to be punished for doing so.
Although keep in mind that if your friend turns around and steals that account or gives the account information to someone else, CCP can't do anything about it since you were acting outside the EULA/TOS.
Theres no chance of him stealing it, hes a trusted friend, and although i dont think anybody would even know that he was using the account, i would rather not break any EvE rules and get banned, i love EvE. =P
So you think it will be ok? (Thanks for the quick replies btw)
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:46:00 -
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Yes, it should be fine. Make sure he knows the rules, though, if any are broken by him you'll be the one to get the consequences. _____
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TrouNoir
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio Yes, it should be fine. Make sure he knows the rules, though, if any are broken by him you'll be the one to get the consequences.
Ok, thanks for the help and quick replies everyone. Fly safe. o/
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:44:00 -
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One thing you can do - log in for him, and then let him fly. Then you haven't shared your account information at all. You're simply allowing him access to your keyboard and mouse.
It's a technicality, and if he breaks any rules, you're the one who ends up in a sling for it, but it's as close to the letter of the rules as you can get in the situation you describe. --Vel
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: TrouNoir Theres no chance of him stealing it,
Don't want to break your bubble but doing it anyway, EVE's history is paved with "trusted" friends who turned "bad".
Just don't let him have access to your main. Do not put any passwords to log in to your main anywhere he can access it.
If things turn sauer, you are out of luck.
Originally by: EULA You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 14:41:00 -
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An alternative would be to send him a 21-day trial invite. He will have 3 weeks free play on that. If he wants to play more, give him a PLEX to sub up with. You will get 30 days added to your account when he converts your trial invite, paying for the PLEX.
That gives him 51 days to scratch together either the dollars or the ISK for his next month's play. Both should be easily managable.
I would strongly advise against sharing your account. No good can come of it.
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CCP Zymurgist
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Posted - 2010.04.30 15:04:00 -
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This.... Is actually not allowed. If he sets an account up in his own name and plays it at your house, that is cool. His account must be his account and your account must be your account. Using someone else's account is sharing and can get you in trouble with the GMs.
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.04.30 20:48:00 -
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I don't understand what is so hard to grasp. You have an account and you do not share it, so no letting friends play on it, no having friends switch skills for you e.t.c. If you hadn't posted here asking about this then you could have probably gotten away with having your friend play on your second account but now you have brought attention to your account and as such I would recommend against it. I would recommend against account sharing anyway as even good friends can turn out to be complete ****s, resulting in you getting a ban or losing your account completely due to theft.
As an example, there was one guy who had his own business. He played Eve now and again, a trusted employee and friend ends up putting a keylogger on the work computer to get the guys account details and then I think he stole a bunch of stuff from the eve account. Morale of the story is don't trust people.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.05.01 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 01/05/2010 05:45:52
I'm really amazed at the number of people who said this was in some way OK. It is a blatant violation of the EULA.
Now - I've played other games that let you do what you want to do. But not EVE.
Here's the EVE EULA.
The only exception to the rule is that a parent may create an account for their minor child.
So - if you want your buddy to play - you can just give him the money to pay for an account and after that he'll have to take care of it himself. They've got a number of payment options though so - if you want to give him the money - there's probably a way he can sign on if he doesn't have a credit card.
Besides ... it's just $15 a month ... how poverty stricken could he be that he can't afford $15 a month? It costs that much to take a date to the movies - one time. Now - the TIME he spends playing EVE ... THAT may be what he can't afford.
The thing is, with EVE, it really doesn't work to share accounts. In other games - you advance depending on what you do in game. So - if one person was playing one character on the account - and another person another character - when each was playing they would each be advancing their characters. But with EVE you advance in real time via learning skills. Since only one character can train at a time - one or the other is going to get screwed. It only really works with separate accounts. So it really doesn't matter that you aren't allowed to share accounts - since that isn't going to work very well anyway.
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Baneken
Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.01 05:56:00 -
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Sharing account isn't allowed how ever you most assuredly can pay for for different accounts with the same credit card which essentially shares the same benefits as using your alt account (difference being you don't have your friends password/account name unless you share those which isn't allowed). Unless you mean that your friend plays with another toon on your current account at weekends, that I think is allowed provided you don't share account information (but no skill training for toon nr 2. though).
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Alisandra Smiter
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Posted - 2010.05.01 06:36:00 -
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What if the account used to be a friend's, but now it is in your name and you are paying for it? That should be allowed, right?
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Baneken
Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.01 06:46:00 -
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As long you change passwords and contact information so it essentially becomes a 'sold character' yes but in reality those thing are impossible to track.
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Thuraya Salairs
Solarwinds Manufacturing Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.05.01 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alisandra Smiter What if the account used to be a friend's, but now it is in your name and you are paying for it? That should be allowed, right?
This is also a violation of the EULA. taken from EULA
ACCOUNT TRANSFER / CHARACTER TRANSFER You are not permitted to transfer your account to another person.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.01 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken Unless you mean that your friend plays with another toon on your current account at weekends, that I think is allowed provided you don't share account information (but no skill training for toon nr 2. though).
Just a minor issue with setting up different passwords for each char on the same account.
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Pankas Carter
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Posted - 2010.05.02 00:41:00 -
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CCP just told you the answer. There's no need to continue beating the horse. Move along.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.02 01:58:00 -
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This thread is full of fail, sorry.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.02 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken As long you change passwords and contact information so it essentially becomes a 'sold character' yes but in reality those thing are impossible to track.
If you can't be bothered to read the EULA, why even open your mouth on the matter? -----
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.05.02 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai If you can't be bothered to read the EULA, why even open your mouth on the matter?
Unfortunately ignorant people often don't know they're ignorant and in any case they won't let their ignorance stop them from 'contributing' to a discussion.
(Cue accusations of being elitist.)
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Cyprus Black
Caldari League of Extraordinary Moustaches
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Posted - 2010.05.02 14:30:00 -
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I have a question about account sharing. If I'm out on sea deployment for several months at a time, would it be alright for a relative to occasionally log on and continue skill training? ___________________________________ "In the land of predators, the lion does not fear the jackal." -Dexter |
Lolrus McBukkit
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Posted - 2010.05.02 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black I have a question about account sharing. If I'm out on sea deployment for several months at a time, would it be alright for a relative to occasionally log on and continue skill training?
Slightly on the same topic, I was under the impression that the EULA allowed your spouse to log on to your account, or am I thinking of another game? |
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.05.02 18:14:00 -
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As mentioned before any account sharing is against the EULA. The ONLY exception to this is if you have a minor that you are the guardian of and create an account on their behalf.
This is the exact statement from the EULA:
You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.05.02 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black I have a question about account sharing. If I'm out on sea deployment for several months at a time, would it be alright for a relative to occasionally log on and continue skill training?
As long as the person taking care of your account doesn't decide to rip you off you will be just fine as CCP only will ban the account if they have to get involved for whatever reason.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio Yes, it should be fine. Make sure he knows the rules, though, if any are broken by him you'll be the one to get the consequences.
Now the authorities have shown up (Hi Adida/Zyrmy!) I'm going to be a total hypocrite here;
Don't account share. It is very naughty. (And not clever to say you're doing it in a public forum.) _____
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Nouvelle Noir
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Posted - 2010.05.04 16:20:00 -
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Funny. So hypothetically a husband can't even log in the toon of his wife? What if they entered both first names at account creation and the credit card used to pay is also running on both names? The account would perfectly run on both names.
Ewww, now it gets interesting... I know "any" sharing means "any" sharing. Still this is fun.
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Xlera
Minmatar Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.05.04 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis An alternative would be to send him a 21-day trial invite. He will have 3 weeks free play on that. If he wants to play more, give him a PLEX to sub up with. You will get 30 days added to your account when he converts your trial invite, paying for the PLEX.
That gives him 51 days to scratch together either the dollars or the ISK for his next month's play. Both should be easily managable.
I would strongly advise against sharing your account. No good can come of it.
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In 51 days his character should be able make enough isk per month to sustain itself with plexes. .
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Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.05 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nouvelle Noir Funny. So hypothetically a husband can't even log in the toon of his wife? What if they entered both first names at account creation and the credit card used to pay is also running on both names? The account would perfectly run on both names.
Ewww, now it gets interesting... I know "any" sharing means "any" sharing. Still this is fun.
It would be the same IP so difficult to prove/detect.
For fun, can the adult log into their minor childs account (a child can log into an adults account, but nothing is stated for the reverse)?
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.06 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 06/05/2010 07:21:52
Originally by: Xlera
Originally by: Malcanis An alternative would be to send him a 21-day trial invite. He will have 3 weeks free play on that. If he wants to play more, give him a PLEX to sub up with. You will get 30 days added to your account when he converts your trial invite, paying for the PLEX.
That gives him 51 days to scratch together either the dollars or the ISK for his next month's play. Both should be easily managable.
I would strongly advise against sharing your account. No good can come of it.
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In 51 days his character should be able make enough isk per month to sustain itself with plexes.
Yes exactly. I got a friend going with his own account by sending him plexes for the first few months which is quite legal. We did do not share any account information at all of course. We did the introduce a friend option as well so I got 30 days for free anyway and he got 21 days for free from the trial, very generous. He will be self sustaining in a week or two.
As to those suggesting ways round the EULA you must realise your not only misadvising but publicising a possible breech on a public forum.
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