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Laktos
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:04:00 -
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Nightmare you just don't get it.
Many of your points might be valid for arguing that high-sec war is more thrilling and exciting than people think. And I'm sure that in the heat of the battle it is very exciting for you. That's cool, all power to you.
But this is a pvp video. A video's purpose is to entertain and excite the viewer. Just because something is exciting when doing it yourself, doesn't mean it's exciting to watch for someone who wasn't there.
When measuring success on an entertainment basis, there is no 'ifs' or 'buts', it either entertained or it didn't. If you have to argue and explain to someone why they should've enjoyed your video, then you've already lost the argument.
If you really want to keep making high-sec pvp videos then feel free to do so, there's nothing wrong with it. But accept from the start that you are only going to please a super-niche audience with it, and stop trying to tell others why they are wrong for not enjoying your video.
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Posted - 2012.07.12 23:21:00 -
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Not sure why I'm bothering to post here again but...
Let me ask a different sort of question: Why do you care so much what everyone here thinks of you?
Most people here are obviously not your intended audience (and if they are you should really re-think that idea), so why does it matter so much to you that everyone here change their mind and love your video?
Believe it or not, but solo/small gang pvp vids are a niche thing. Only a tiny fraction of EVE's players ever watch them, and an even smaller fraction check and post on the My EVE board regularly. And the people who don't usually watch or care for these sorts of videos are your general High Sec or Null Sec carebear or fleet member. That's not to say some of them aren't avid fans of small gang/solo vids but I think the vast population couldn't really give a **** about this stuff.
You're releasing footage of what the general High Sec pvp player does on a daily basis and marketing it at a community that is often drawn to pvp videos in the first place simply because they often show a far different side to EVE than the usual blobfest, logi heavy fights that go on everyday. No surprise then that most people here react with distaste to your movie.
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Laktos
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Posted - 2012.07.12 23:45:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:I don't care if someone hate my video or loves it. I just makes sure that i'm not bending over to some trollfaces who thinks they are so good at PVP, while they don't realize them self that all they do in 0.0 space is to blob the crap out of others.
I made a video of empire PVP, and if some few 0.0 space bears don't like it, then i'm fine with that.
But when they come here to criticise empire PVP as a style and not what they are doing them self, then i'm gonna be more defensive and more active by replying in this topic.
Even when i hate capital blobbing or gay AHAC's movies, i'm not going into their topics to criticise what they are doing, because it's their playstyle. And there is also a buttload of different PVP playstyles in EVE, so i think it's wrong to just keep peoples to only do one type of PVP playstyle in a movie as you want here.
Someone does 1 vs 1 fights, someone keeps doing fights where they are almost dead but survives. Someone does capital blobbing and someone are doing AHAC's fleets. Someone like me aredoing empire PVP. There are tons of things to do under PVP.
Just because one film director makes a movie that you think is crap, doesn't make the others who watch it to say it's crap to. They have their peoples who likes their types of films.
Should they just stop making movies just because they fear someone might not like it because it's not thrilling enough for you?
To be from empire, my movie might be pretty thrilling for many others who lives in empire. Who knows?
I'm not trying to reach my movie out to your type of playerbase. I'm trying to reach the players who like empire PVP where there is no massive gay capital blobbing and lags.
Because as you knows, the 0.0 space and low sec population is damn small compared to the empire population. So you only speaks for some part of the 0.0 space population and not the empire population.
And it's not a secret to that most of the empire population doesn't even write in the 'My EVE' forum section. So even if they don't write anything here, it doesn't means that they don't like my movie.
That's what i'm trying to say.
That's exactly what I'm telling you to do!
Put it up on the forum. Make it clear who your audience is and then let people give feedback as they will. I can guarantee you that if you don't try to argue endlessly and pointlessly with people who dislike your movie, the thread will never degenerate like it has. Also the simple fact that you "just makes sure that i'm not bending over to some trollfaces who thinks they are so good at PVP" proves that you care a lot what everyone here thinks. In fact what it says to me is that you won't accept anybody disliking your video on punishment of long forum posts!
Also I'm not sure why you keep bringing up "0.0 space bears" as a straw-man argument. At least half of the people in this thread are small gang/solo pvpers, and a bunch of them live in low sec. I know this because I recognise them. This crying foul over null-bears ruining your thread just makes you look deluded. Anyway, I tried to help you. Now I shall bow out of this thread.
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Posted - 2012.07.17 01:17:00 -
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I'm just gonna say it. Any corp that has a rule against losing ships is doing it wrong.
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Posted - 2012.07.17 09:49:00 -
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m8 wtf, that video is ****. don't waste nightmares time with such crap.
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Posted - 2012.07.17 14:36:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:Prozacxx wrote:why didnt u address my point of u being really good at vindicator and not at megathron???? Because they are 2 totally different ships?
loooooool.
Also be nice to darkstar, he has a broken keyboard, it's not his fault!
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Posted - 2012.07.18 00:18:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I make a positive comment and I get ignored while all the trolls get responses.
That's how this thread works :)
Nightmare is one masochistic guy.
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Posted - 2012.07.19 06:43:00 -
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Cartheron Crust wrote:NightmareX wrote:Cartheron Crust wrote: *Constructive Criticism Snipped*
PS - Also for a good example of smaller scale Remote Rep video watch Miriam Sasko's "Professional's". Will try to find a link later. Ladies and gentlemen, here is a perfect example of a very good post i want to see much more of instead of the typical 'your movie sucks bla bla bla because of PVP at station and logistics being used' whining. I'm gonna thank you for your positive critisism of my movie Cartheron Crust. I know my movie isn't perfect and i know my movie wont please the 0.0 space fanbois'es, so i know that i have a room for improvements. So your post here is something i will note down to my next video. No problem. Ignore the trolls. The video is better than your last one. The next one can maybe be better again with just the addition of more interesting fights and some slight editing improvements. Here - The Professionals - is the link to the video I recomended. However, as you have mentioned the corps video's in a later post I should warn you it is by a Matari Exodus player. Most, if not all, of the fights are on gates/stations (I don't remember exactly) and involve remote repping (except the last two fights).
I'm glad you linked that, cause it highlights a fundamental difference between a video maker like Miriam and someone like NightmareX.
Miriam and every other pvper who has ever released a quality video, reach that sort of quality from thinking long and hard about what sort of footage is exciting for the average viewer to watch and taking criticism in a constructive and thoughtful way and using it to improve on their next video.
Nightmares logic goes more like: "If you don't like my movie, the problem is with you and I'm gonna keep posting and telling you how stupid you are and how much of a 0.0 bear you are until you see the error of your ways and like my movie!"
:)
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Posted - 2012.07.20 03:37:00 -
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I like how you respond to EVERY SINGLE "troll" post. Yet you seem to routinely ignore well thought-out posts like Cartheron's above.
I think we all know the reason.
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