The editing is nice and music is pretty good, however the content is most likely what you are going to get smacked for.

People dont like to watch a bunch of BS hug a station/gate with logi in highsec. People barely like it in low/null.

I found it rather boring, its a shame the editing is far beyond the quality of "pvp".

Top notch video quality and editing.
Really great music.
But the fights were very boring for me, after a few min of realizing this id all that's going to show, I quickly browsed through the rest.
Still appreciate the great effort that it took to make this kind of production and its very noticeable! very well done :-)

Hahaha


Hahaha


Haahhaahaahaha

I guess u can enjoy bump lol

Can you upload to eve-files pls pls?

-Kubiq

Can you upload to eve-files pls pls?

-Kubiq

Most fights happen in nullsec/lowsec on gates and stations yep, the big difference is its either a fight when you are fighting <10 vs 20-30, you are normally out gunned, outnumbered and most likely have ECM and logi on hostile gang or its a solo or 2-3 man gang taking the utter **** and exploiting enemy mistakes, bad positioning and team work. All you are doing here is locking and pushing f1 and calling for reps, then spamming dock if you think you cant tank it. Its about as entertaining as watching a fraps of a 500 man drake fleet fight a 500 man maelstrom fleet with no brackets on.

The fights just seem boring, knowing the fact that its happening in high sec space where easy failsafes are in place, neutral RR for instance. Its just boring knowing you could just undock a bunch of neutral guardians, if you have them or not.

No offense, its everyones game and if thats your style I wont bash it. Like I said the editing is outstanding but the content is not to my liking.

Good teamwork yes but good piloting, no. Many others are taking on similarly outnumbering odds, but they don't get the luxury of knowing quite how much dps is going to be coming their way or to undock extra RR always immediately in range, and be able to ignore all the other locals. They might be equally safe tanking via speed & range, but at least it requires manual piloting and conflicts with keeping things tackled to achieve any kills. You're sitting stationary 0km from the dock and just letting Eve number-crunch. It takes some planning but not much skill once it's done, so perhaps explain how you know how close/undecided the situation is/was rather than replay the UI being rather boring?

E.g. translated comms or hints as to your previous intel & derived counter-fitting; were you confident you'd accounted for some ECM appearing or all suddenly concerned things were about unravel rapidly, etc. Sadly modules cycling while ships don't move just ain't so fun to watch. Also people will assume you're flying what you can easily afford to lose, perhaps that was not the case.

Your response reveals the bubble you live in. Who says station fighting must be at 0km? Who said you had to do this with BSs? You can have logistic ships RR, thus you have range and could be in HACs or Command Ships/T3s and move about more, allowing for more tactics to draw the other fleets out of position. Everyone else does this everywhere else in Eve. In your case it's hard to tell someone being a good pilot from someone who's afk when they just leave their ship stationary. At least moving about within RR range would reduce dps from torps, maybe you could go for bumping people out of their RR range, there is merit to the tradeoff and something to try & risk failing at.

My point about the value of your setups is how it plays into the psychology of the situation, which isn't usually clear from videos. Were you all risking a month's earnings and thus being cautious, or feeling as though you didn't care much for losing everything fielded and thus pushing things to limits you'd not yet tried before? Basically some hint as to expectations vs reality would help people appreciate what they're seeing. Whether what you faced & how you tanked & applied dps was everyday results or something unusual.
Taking 0 losses all the time is a sign you're not pushing things to their breaking point, you're operating within a safety margin, the mittens are still on. Eve is all about risk & loss, else you wouldn't care about killing the other guys.

Surely you've seen at least footage of other people's flying and understand there's a far more dynamic and fast-paced world to the other 90% of Eve PVP? Granted point-blank large blasters is fun, but it's a niche and mostly about the setup rather than what's frapsed/released.

Good:

• Music was pretty good
• You guys field shiny ships

Bad:

• Cheesy Intro and title/text pages taking up 3 minutes of time
• Slow kills taking up several minutes of time
• 0 Risk PvP

The reason people enjoy watching PvP videos is to see someone put themselves in danger and come out on top. You are never in danger in any of this footage with at least 2 logistic pilots on the field at all times, if things turn against you, you simply drop aggression and redock before you die. You seem to be under the impression that you 'fight outnumbered' in this video but nearly all of these videos involve you fielding a collection of ships that are MUCH more expensive than those of your opponents. Its not surprising that a Vindicator can kill 2 Megathrons for example. Also why would you throw in 5 minutes of footage that result with you killing 1 Hurricane and 1 Keres when using 3 Vindicators?

Highsec PvP is not exciting for others to watch. The excitement from Highsec PvP comes from the hunt, and the simple satisfaction of forcing your will upon others in the 'safest' part of the EVE universe. This can't be conveyed in a video, this is why you don't see many highsec PvP videos, and why this video isn't entertaining to watch.

You guys may very well be near the top of corporations in highsec in the categories of 'Most Vindicator Pilots' and 'Most Logistic alts', but this is literally the most boring form of PvP. You sit at 0 m/s for 95% of this footage, there is no maneuvering, or positioning at all. I hate large gangs and I would rather watch some of the videos on here of fleet engagements than watch this again. There is no dynamic to this type of PvP, it comes down to 'Who has the most ISK on the field' or 'Who has the most logistic alts' its that simple.

I'm not trying to insult you, as I said you guys are certainly good at what you do. What you do is just boring for others to watch as there is no risk taken on your parts at all.

When you have logistics + massive buffers while on a station, its zero risk, sorry. You can always dock up.

I'm in highsec just like you buddy, but I'm aware that what I do isn't exciting for others to watch. You seem to be dillusional.

The Paladin was the one exception, and that wasn't you flying it.

I am aware how highsec PvP works, its a numbers/ISK game period. Even more so than nullsec. The side with more ISK and Logistics wins.


The reason you're getting a poor reception to this video, and your past videos, is because most people don't find them enjoyable. Its not because everyone is stupid and jealous of your 'uber piloting skills' its because its boring and rather lame. Show me something in a video that makes me think "Wow that was smart" or "Wow that was ballsy" or maybe even "Wow I'm not sure I could have pulled that off" and I'll enjoy it. What your video shows is what a bunch of Vindicators with several Logistics does.

Nightmare you just don't get it.

Many of your points might be valid for arguing that high-sec war is more thrilling and exciting than people think. And I'm sure that in the heat of the battle it is very exciting for you. That's cool, all power to you.

But this is a pvp video. A video's purpose is to entertain and excite the viewer. Just because something is exciting when doing it yourself, doesn't mean it's exciting to watch for someone who wasn't there.

When measuring success on an entertainment basis, there is no 'ifs' or 'buts', it either entertained or it didn't. If you have to argue and explain to someone why they should've enjoyed your video, then you've already lost the argument.

If you really want to keep making high-sec pvp videos then feel free to do so, there's nothing wrong with it. But accept from the start that you are only going to please a super-niche audience with it, and stop trying to tell others why they are wrong for not enjoying your video.

Your answering to every single post in an even longer post, in a very defensive manner, almost frantic to convince someone of a reality that just not real... is not helping your case. You should just write in your op what you think and let people write what they think, without having to defend yourself in between every post.

Laktos said it as clear as it can be said, but your response to his post just proves him so right- that you don't get it Nightmare... But that's ok, and you don't need to reply to this. As I said before, your video is very well done, and it is surely something that does better to everyone by being created, even if people don't like it, because videos are a positive thing. Its just that its too bad that you're trying so hard to change people's minds or to make a point afterwards, instead of just enjoying yourself with your alliance buddies in your own little Eve world, while accepting that most others can't see it as a successful form of entertainment.

More interesting than your previous videos, I'll grant you that.

But sitting still and pressing F1-F3 on the primary is no more interesting for me than a CFC fleet where they orbit an anchor and shoot missiles. Arguably, it's less exciting - at least they broadcast for reps!

quick question, do you guys take contracts in low sec?

Nightmare, if nano is so easy, please come down to low/null sec and record a video doing so. Controlling range is NOT easy, unless if you burn/align in a straight line and rely on someone else to point things. Dipping in and out of disruptor range is actually pretty difficult.

I was going to come in here and offer you some constructive criticism about how RR-BS is boring as **** to watch even though it might take some technical proficiency to pull off, which makes it a very poor subject for videos, but then you went and said this:



and this:



It's clear that you're HILARIOUSLY delusional about your own skill, the content of your video and the ability of others. You're a quintessential example of the annoying dude who says, "I could do it better than you can if I only knew how to do it!"

People here, in these forums, enjoy watching videos where the odds are CLEARLY stacked against the protagonist. No one cares about blobbing. If they wanted to blob, they'd just log on to TQ and do that. People enjoy watching stuff that they couldn't pull off themselves. This means fighting against people that are at LEAST 4, 5, 6 or more times the size of your gang.

As far as BS pvp is concerned, really the only well received one that I've seen was Kovorix's Mael at the end of Everlasting II. That was only because he was in a tandem taking on an entire 20 man camp.

This is all besides the point though. The point is that you've posted your video here, asked people what they thought of it, and then people tried to tell you that you didn't like it, you became very defensive. Here's a summation of the collective verdicts so far. You are clearly a talented video editor. From a technical standpoint, the video was very well made. The content however was boring to people.

If you want to release videos that will be better received, you either need to change your content or change your audience. There is NOTHING wrong with releasing videos for your own alliance that show some of their past victories. Since they were involved in the fight, they have more of a connection with the content and will enjoy it more. If, however, you want to release videos to the greater EvE public, you need to either change the content of your videos, or accept the fact that the vast majority of people won't like your videos and move on with it. It's completely OK to release a video with a niche audience in mind. Just don't try to release it to the greater public and expect it to be a huge hit.

Ugh. Fine, it seems like this can only be solved by captain caps lock cruise control. WE AREN'T CRITICIZING YOUR FIGHTING, WE'RE SAYING IT'S BORING TO WATCH. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

As far as nullsec blobbing is concerned, no one enjoys watching videos of it aside from the alliances involved (unless there are some really funny coms or something). Can you point to a single video on here that glorifies blobbing and isn't about a minute long? I sure as sh*t can't.

Before I comment further, this isn't my cup of tea. I hope that you will not disregard what I'm saying because of that though.

I know some people who do enjoy this style of PvP so I'm going to make some suggestions based on that:
- add an ISK destroyed/lost section in the after action screen
- add in a little more description at the beginning of how the fight started if it was missed with FRAPS
- divide the info box up; left side fighting ships, right side logi
- leave the info screen up with the ships until you have something else to show, there is no need for a blank box
- provide information mid fight that might build tension in the situation
- after providing that information switch the info box back to showing the ships involved and update it as ships leave/join the fray

I think you're providing only some of the information your core viewers would want to have because you've followed a presentation template built for a different audience.

The Rooks and Kings series of video series is an example where they can take an interesting collection of fights and make them amazing by providing context, detailing information on the important bits, and excellent storytelling. If it was just the fights in a vacuum I'd probably find it much less entertaining.

Actually, ive seen plenty of good empire pvp movies over the years, and you know what they all had in common? No freaking neutral RR.

And the fact that you state that this is the only way to do empire wars, clearly show how wrong you are.
You wont find a single time the last few months where we have flown with logis in the gang (or neutral rr for that matter)

Your problem is that to you guys, risking your ships is actually such a dreadfull thought. That again leads to gangs where u cant lose, wich is why your movies are boring to watch.
Sadly, though everyone here has been trying to tell you this in all sorts of manner, it just seems you cant grasp the concept of solo pvp or any sort of pvp with risk in it.

I guess thats why you allways spent more time on sisi then on tq in the past.

Ye u ****** what if that blackbird make jam lol?

I give up

If you had made this video with footage from Sisi it would be more exciting.

Then again, after reading your replies I can only assume you believe what you type. In which case, everyone should stop bullying him. He's clearly an idiot.

Now back on topic. OH CUTE, isn't this video amazing! You should be so happy fella, it looks fantastic!

Why are u always so vigilant about defending your own failures, what is it you expect? When you post this kind of videos in MY EVE, you are gonna get smacked, you ought to have realized that by now. People are even being fairly nice this time around compared to your previous videos.

Also, nice to see you still haven't progressed from sitting in a megathron hull pressing F1 once in a while all day.

Did you ever consider that they're not the problem, but you are?

How many players do you think want to get into high sec pvp after seeing this movie? tbh you could probably scare players away from high sec pvp with it.

On a serious note, in the info it said during the first fight that they had 4 logis, but there are only two logis there.
In the second fight you wrote they had 8 logis, but they only have 4

The term proofs is very offensive to homosexuals in my language.

reported.

Check out NightmareX's last loss on Eve-Kill and laugh at his ammo choice (hint: T1 PP & Barrage are not the only ammo you should carry in a Vagabond, nor should you use both a DCU and a Power Diagnostic)

NightmareX keep on thinking that you're at all better than the average lowsec/null sec PvPer, this thread delivers!

Nope, that's literally your last loss (at least according to Eve-Kill).

And you still think you're taking risks?

By not taking challenging fights?
By not fighting without neutral RR?
Only flying into low sec when you have your friends + alliance mates with you "in case" you get hotdropped?

This is truly the behaviour of a player who takes risks.

And yes, there is no shame in being risk averse. But being risk averse leads to boring PvP videos UNLESS if there is a real, interesting story behind it, neither of which your video has.

The worst thing is that im actually convinced you mean what you write.



If you do whatever you can to make sure you dont lose, then you dont take risks.

Risk is jumping into a gatecamp solo and hope you come out on top.
What you do is minimize risk, wich is not the same.

Because you say your corp is "different"? I thought you stood out, but no it's the same HG implants with the same neutral alts with the same terrible fittings & piloting that is so classical of high sec pvp where the "pvpers" are too afraid to venture into low sec/null sec where their shinies might actually be at risk.

Logi =/= I WIN button, at least not by themselves. You CAN win fights without logi vs logi if you stop making the fights being a simple brawl at 0 and broadcast for reps. Use range to reduce incoming DPS, use Ewar (TDs/Damps etc.) for the same purpose.

I think you're under some kind of illusion that ALL pvp outside of high sec consists of multiple carriers. It really isn't like that. Tell me how many Carriers we use - http://tuskers.killmail.org/.

We have good fights DAILY on a CONSISTENT basis in low sec, in 10-15 man gangs. We record them - you can find the fights on FHC because these forums tend to have too much filler and not enough content.

And yes, you can roam null sec without any capitals or cynos and STILL get good fights. Oh wait - http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13658946

As for not pvping much in low sec, I LIVE THERE. 90+% of my fights are in there. Nearly ALL of my fights are from roaming and not camping a gate/station popping noobs.

You play Eve professionally?

Far from it dude. I'm pretty terrible at eve - every time I have a fight I do something stupid, my knowledge of eve barely scratches the surface in truth.

You on the other hand know it all already - there is nothing left for you to learn, as you sit hunkered down on the Rens undock pretending to be 'on a contract'

Like what?

You're doing the same thing day in day out, what are you learning every day?

This thread is the worst.
NightmareX I genuinely feel sorry for you, in every way. I can't imagine the pain and heartache you put your family through. Get well soon.

-Drealar.

You are the only one in this thread who has said they're any good at eve. Several times actually.

Then again, at least you accept that you are bad at posting.

We did have a war with rebirth before.
In fact I caused it via random smack in local but I digress.
We had to bring an orca with us to get you to undock, and we were in t3 bc's. Ye undocked pirate battleships and t3's with at least 6 neutral RR. Was hilarious, would fight again. GG etc.
In other fun news, we were threatened with another rebirth wardec about a month ago when a corpmate wouldn't shoot a rat that had a rebirth member scrambled. That was pretty hilarious. Bet ye deleted that lossmail pretty fast eh? LOOOOOOOL


Seriously though. Pull your head out of your ass and look at what you're typing.
I'm actually beginning to think this whole thing is a massive troll, starting with you buying NightmareX, then making these PVP videos and culminating in threads like this. If so, wow, nice job.

lolwat
There was a rebirth pod jumping with us for the last 7-8jumps to Rens and yeah, it was a few months ago.
We lived one jump into lowsec, you guys never even came close. We even had to tempt you with an orca to undock. Look it up on your killboard, the mail is there.

Someone told me you sold your char aswell, if you hadn't I guess it explains all this rubbish. Welp, carry on.

How's the website coming along?

People here are trying to give you logical arguments and make you see your video and play-style in the same light that people who are not in your corporation do. All you're doing is saying "No, shut up, We're the best, You're stupid, and bad." You haven't refuted a single point anyone has given, you're just repeating 'No, shut up, We're the best, You're stupid, and bad." I started off disliking your video, progressed to disliking you, and now I honestly just feel bad for you.

I'm reminded of the old 'Playing chess with a pigeon' analogy... (you're the pigeon NightmareX)

Before I comment further, this isn't my cup of tea. I hope that you will not disregard what I'm saying because of that though.

I know some people who do enjoy this style of PvP so I'm going to make some suggestions based on that:
- add an ISK destroyed/lost section in the after action screen
- add in a little more description at the beginning of how the fight started if it was missed with FRAPS
- divide the info box up; left side fighting ships, right side logi
- leave the info screen up with the ships until you have something else to show, there is no need for a blank box
- provide information mid fight that might build tension in the situation
- after providing that information switch the info box back to showing the ships involved and update it as ships leave/join the fray

I think you're providing only some of the information your core viewers would want to have because you've followed a presentation template built for a different audience.

The Rooks and Kings series of video series is an example where they can take an interesting collection of fights and make them amazing by providing context, detailing information on the important bits, and excellent storytelling. If it was just the fights in a vacuum I'd probably find it much less entertaining.

Check out NightmareX's last loss on Eve-Kill and laugh at his ammo choice (hint: T1 PP & Barrage are not the only ammo you should carry in a Vagabond, nor should you use both a DCU and a Power Diagnostic)

NightmareX keep on thinking that you're at all better than the average lowsec/null sec PvPer, this thread delivers!

0/10, would not watch again unless the soundtrack was replaced with more suitable music, like Yakkity Sax.

maybe you shouldnt judge people based on whatever alliance they are in?

Just because i have a character in PL doenst mean i fly Capships nor that i dont have alts in other corps to enjoy other types of PVP

see:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=874275#post874275
and
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/jackaryas/Invaders_Must_Die_Final.mkv

The fact that you think that nano gangs are "faggotry" and require no skill and are risk free, just shows how delusional you are.

Infact flying nano gangs requires the highest "command per minute" after frigate PVP of any gang form.

i dont see "THE GOD SQUAD" in the alliance tournament

if you are so pr0 why arent you there to win it?

hahahaha yeah right

We found it pretty funny ourselves.
As did most of eve. lol
What's your point?

At first i was a bit sceptic but now that things have been unfolding a bit i can safely say this is becoming the 2nd best troll video right after kimusans epic threadnaught

10/10.

(ps my freighter roams empire a lot too)

we sure are bad, want a 5 vs 5 honour match?

Everything else has already been said, but I've given up hope that you can understand what they are talking about - I will give you the important bits again though:
This kind of PvP is in not interesting. If you really need to do videos about it, put it in some kind of narrative like RnK does (and chose some fights were you are actually fighting against the odds. Even RnK manages to not do station games)
This kind of PvP does not need any kind of skill. Believe it or not (I suppose you will take the "do not believe"-part) but 'nanofaggotry' takes not only more skill than highsec station games, it actually takes some real skill to pull off. I fail horribly at anything remotely kitey and I can do what you did in that video without a problem.
I also don't know where your apparent obsession with capital-blobs comes from - I have never fought with or against capitals, ever.

It doesn't matter if it's "fighting against the odds" (did you lose any ships? If not, then was it really "against the odds"?), it's boring to watch.

Here's a reframing of it: A virgin having sex for the first time makes for a short, uninteresting porno. But put context around it and it makes a passable movie (see: 40 Year Old Virgin, American Pie, Superbad, etc).

Yes, I just compared your video to boring amateur ****.

half of those 7 pages is your own posts. grats. also no, using 1x Dominix, 1x Megathron, 1x Deimos and 4x Logistics vs 4x RR Dominix'es, 2x Megathron's, 1x Typhoon, 1x Scorpion, 1x Drake and 1x Blackbird is not fighting against the odds. you can probably tank that gang with 2 logis...

yea a bb totaly jams out 4 logis. or not.

Risky stuff right there m8

I yearn for the day when the highest risk I take in PVP is "2 of my 4 nuetral RR for my vindicator have been jammed, better dock, they have a drake"

The ego defense mechanism is strong with this one.

NightmareX, serious question - do you have learning difficulties of some kind, or are you very young?

I only ask because your responses seem a bit.. well.. like you may have learning difficulties. Don't be offended, and don't feel like you have to answer, but either way it's probably worth taking a step back and thinking about what you're doing here.

This thread stopped being constructive seconds after you posted it, but over the last half dozen pages has devolved into you telling everybody you're better than them at pvp over and over again. Infact, apart from you nobody in this thread apart from you has claimed to be any good at internet spaceships.

The reason it's gone 8 pages of people laughing at you is that, rather than just accepting some people don't think camping Rens undock is a particularly worthwhile hobby, (let alone doing it 'Professionally') you keep going on these massive spergelord rants, trying to argue that infact it is excellent and everybody else is worse than you because you are excellent at pvp and blah blah blah blah.

Just let it go, you're making a fool of yourself.

I have already posted my opinions/arguments that so far, has failed to be adequately responded to. So to answer your last question, no.

Not sure why I'm bothering to post here again but...

Let me ask a different sort of question: Why do you care so much what everyone here thinks of you?

Most people here are obviously not your intended audience (and if they are you should really re-think that idea), so why does it matter so much to you that everyone here change their mind and love your video?

Believe it or not, but solo/small gang pvp vids are a niche thing. Only a tiny fraction of EVE's players ever watch them, and an even smaller fraction check and post on the My EVE board regularly. And the people who don't usually watch or care for these sorts of videos are your general High Sec or Null Sec carebear or fleet member. That's not to say some of them aren't avid fans of small gang/solo vids but I think the vast population couldn't really give a **** about this stuff.

You're releasing footage of what the general High Sec pvp player does on a daily basis and marketing it at a community that is often drawn to pvp videos in the first place simply because they often show a far different side to EVE than the usual blobfest, logi heavy fights that go on everyday. No surprise then that most people here react with distaste to your movie.

That's exactly what I'm telling you to do!

Put it up on the forum. Make it clear who your audience is and then let people give feedback as they will. I can guarantee you that if you don't try to argue endlessly and pointlessly with people who dislike your movie, the thread will never degenerate like it has. Also the simple fact that you "just makes sure that i'm not bending over to some trollfaces who thinks they are so good at PVP" proves that you care a lot what everyone here thinks. In fact what it says to me is that you won't accept anybody disliking your video on punishment of long forum posts!

Also I'm not sure why you keep bringing up "0.0 space bears" as a straw-man argument. At least half of the people in this thread are small gang/solo pvpers, and a bunch of them live in low sec. I know this because I recognise them. This crying foul over null-bears ruining your thread just makes you look deluded. Anyway, I tried to help you. Now I shall bow out of this thread.

It's more than just the 'empire' nature of this that makes it comedic.......................ah nvm, not worth it. I'll still hit the post button anyway though!

As a proud member of the Battleclinic Community (peerless group of quality posters of the highest caliber), I have witnessed considerable amounts of feedback regarding Rebirth.

It appears that even among the hisec pvpers you're something of a joke...

just wanted to post... well just cuz

oh, and teh vid was aiiight

Edit:
ok, i actually tried watching it. I managed get through the first fight before nearly falling asleep.

Take it from someone who actually does real pvp.

You are **** m8

can only be a troll.

I dont live in 0.0 space, I live in a wh mate. You dont even know who VoC or Aquila is, for the exact same reason your "pvp" video sucks. We pvp in WH/nullsec, you grief in highsec. If you actually left your RR in highsec and went out to solo/small gang in hostile space where you cant dock, you might actually lose some ships and see what real risk is.



Crying? lol we merely love how highly you think of yourself yet you are terrible. If anything you are the one crying m8, you fail to see every ones argument/point and come back with the same old shite over and over again. So your rapid response is something similar to this.



You cant defend against every ones opinion because when EVERYONE is saying the same thing, the opinion becomes a fact.

The fact being you are pretty lame and empire pvp as it is, is not pvp. Its griefing. In highsec its about who has the most RR combined with DPS. In lowsec its about who can lock the fastest. In 0.0 sov warfare its who has the most supercaps.

What I do, what my corp does, what the real pvp'ers out there do is skillbased and they simply put, have more skill than your entire corp combined.

However you will never see the real picture, people like you just don't understand and they never will.

if you want to be autistic about it, you made the statement so the burden of proof is on you.

And i do seem to recall you saying the best pvp'ers were in low sec back when you "where a pirate" (Though you never really did undock tbh)
And got kicked out of tdg if i remember correctly.

To the first thing, you would do the exact same except when I decide to fight its under my terms and if I picked a bad fight or put myself in a bad situation, I pay for it. You do not, you simply deaggro and have all your buddies rep you.

I do not think I do pro PvP mate, I am just an average joe that gets fights, wins some loses some.

I can give you 5 reasons why I am better than you m8.

1. I dont hug stations/gates, I take the fight off the gate, off the station, at planets and or belts. Even random WH's that I never came from.
2. I use tactics and maneuvers to outwit my enemy and take advantage of them when I can, I will gladly dive into a fight 1vs15, exploiting whatever I can see.
3. I dont fly with logistics in every single fight I do
4. If I do fly with logistics they are at risk just as much as me, they are in our corp, they are with us in hostile space where they can not dock
5. I dont spend 5bil on a buffer fit vindicator, nuff said right here.

I shall rephrase what I said in terms of the highsec pvp is not real pvp when that is not true, it is still PvP because it is still player vs player. So I will change that argument to "empire pvp is riskless, boring pvp"



Not a single part of my post suggested this at all, you seem extremely focused on who is the best pvp'er.
Nullsec has risks, lowsec has risks. Highsec is just riskless pvp.

There is no such thing as the best pvp'ers, nullsec blobbers think they are great, lowsec blobbers think they are great, highsec griefers with neutral RR think they are great.

All these people that think they are great, are actually among the worse in the game.

I think of myself as the average solo/small gang pvper, I take losses, I fight the odds, I dont bring ECM or Logi to help me, hell I rarely ever use my link toon.

No, that's okay. you have proven your point beyond a shadow of a doubt. I've not even read your post, but with that many words there must be some pretty compelling evidence.

You are the best PVPer in Eve, GOD SQUAD are the single greatest fighting force ever assembled.

Now, i would like to hire you to engage and kill my enemies. how can i do this?

Maybe look at the Alliance Tournament? That'd seem to fit your definition of PvP, by having equal numbers (no blobs) and severely restricting kiting. Plus, it eliminates crutches like stations and ridiculous numbers of Logi.

And lets look at the group stage:

Group A has Choke Point. They look to do some highsec stuff. Everyone else in the group is null though.

Group B/C/D has a mix of Null/Low/WHs. No-one seems to do highsec.

Groups E/F/G/H has RvB. Everyone else is null/Low/WHs.

So, if all the best PvPers are in highsec, and highsec is ~60% of the game, why are they only one sixteenth of the Alliance Tournament, which seems perfectly designed for highsec players to show off their leet PvP skills?

Im not even going to read that post but I presume an TL;DR something along the lines of "empire pvp has risks, nullsec fanboi your crap im better than you."

You are so blind and stupid that i actually feel pity for you.

EDIT: Read it a little

However your second point really pisses me off. If you think zipping around at 2.5km/s 30km from a 15 man gang is riskless, you are pretty damn ********. Its not Jita, in nullsec if your engaging a solo drake on the gate, the other 30 people in local can actually shoot you.

You seem to think that nano tactics = risk free, it might be risk free if its in highsec as you can see who your enemy is and knowing that you are safe as long as tht single enemy stays away.

In nullsec, i you engage 1 out of the 50 people hugging the station, the rest are going to retaliate.

You really need to listen to how stupid you sound m8

No idea y u all argue with a troll like nightmarex he even said it himself its ******** lol

Abloo abloo, highsec pvp warriors (lmao) arguing it's not risk-free.

Say that to people who pvp in low sec or better yet roam around with 5 people in 0.0

Hanging around a station with logis on your back is NOT clutch or skill-intensive.

What the hell is "market PVP"? Is that like undercutting someone by 0.01 ISK?

The things about EVE PvP that take skill are things like positioning, manual piloting, situational awareness, heat management (which one of our members can attest to), good target calling etc. When you sit in dock range of station in 300k EHP Battleships most of the stuff I mentioned simply doesn't matter. You barely have to move and things happen so slowly that any scrub will have time to react. The type of PvP you do barely requires any player input at all, there is nothing to be good at.

Today I learned that fighting in buffer tanked faction BSes inside docking of a station is the most skillful form of PvP

I'm going to be taking PvP to the next level, I shall PvP from INSIDE a station.

I'll make a video too, you can watch as my spin counter increases faster than someone else's. It'll probably be more entertaining than the OP's video.

I found this very boring, is this how you 'enjoy' EVE ?

Nearly all miners, suiciders and ship builders don't make video's of themselves doing it, and the ones that do understand that what they do is boring to others and receive criticism with grace and a smile, not with tl;dr worthy replies, trolling and 'MY WAY IS BEST YOUR WRONG' posting.

You are HE-LARIOUS.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=3530

Thread of the year.

i think he's from norway or something in fairness

NightmareX:

How would you go about engaging 2 WT Macharials with a couple of scimmys and Rapier support, if it was sat on grid 120km away from Jita 4-4?

I have replaced the word '****' in my everyday vocabulary with 'NightmareX'

This video is totally NightmareX.

Sadly that is correct, though im quite sure he must have been adopted from mars.

Yeah, CCP should make game trailers about station games in highsec instead of all these trailers they keep making about nullsec gameplay... that'll sell more subscriptions, right? Wololol.

Riddle me this...

How is sitting on an undock with x neutral logi alts, max skills and implants blapping clueless noobs the pinnacle of PVP mate?

Mate, I was in Privateers before it was cool. Don't you dare talk to me about empire wardecs.

NightmareX! Please keep posting!

So... is THE GOD SQUAD in the alliance tournament? Or is the lack of a station in the arena too intimidating?

We're stuck in some kind of groundhog day shitposting feedback loop.

It is only a matter of time before it consumes the entire universe.

I'm only posting because I want to be in the same thread as the most oblivious sperglord in history.

NightmareX, I only wish you could see yourself as we see you.

HAHAHAHAH, actually watched some of it.

I love how in the second fight, the "fight is over" because you can't break the reps. They have FOUR whilst you claim EIGHT and you make zero attempt to do anything to them, other than "oh, not enough DPS, sadface"

This is just one way in which you can see how terribly limited not leaving the docking radius of a station is.

Nightmare, I'm so glad you exist as an example of all that is wrong with your type.

Non-ironic "overview glitch" in 2012? Priceless.

Regardless, you're arguing this DESPITE actual evidence to the contrary being stupidly easy to show for it:

http://imgur.com/xo2do

Counts of hostiles on overview exactly matches the counts in space.

Also, one of the "reds" is just someone with negative standings and he never aggresses (reps).

So yes, that's a video of you failing to counter 3 (optional 4) logi despite there being 8 of you.

You do realise that even after this, he will still claim they had 8

Thats clearly a screenbug on your part, and those ships are not really there

Oh, and prove me wrong

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Delusions of grandeur. Every Tom, **** and Harry highsec corp goes on about 'oh we should go in tthe Alliance tournament we'd do really well'. Pretty funny that you think you're good enough to mouth off on PL when the best footage you can put together is station hugging BSes in highsec.

Pull your head out of the clouds, get some cheap ships and go roaming where the big boys play. Who knows you might even learn something.

You're trolling. There is no way you can possibly think that supports your argument.

No, you're not. Simply having the last word is the argument style of a simpleton. You're not progressing further than that.

You unfortunately lack the intelligence to see the flaws in your discussion points, even when explicitly pointed out. You'll always think you're winning.

Also, why do you think nano ships are the exclusive domain of low and highsec?

The reason you're not using them yourself is simply because buffer+logi+docking ring = always safe.

You call "nanofaggotry" risk free, yet seem oblivious to the fact your own style embodies much, much less risk. Exactly what does a nano ship do when its hit with a scram?

There's not a single person in a 13 page thread that supports you.

That's a very clear and present sign you fail to impart your argument onto anyone.

We can see that as being very bad at "forum PVP" - ranting and claiming you are right just attracts an even larger group of people who think you need help.

I'm damn good at forum PVP though


So you're saying that your video isnt PVP?

How fast does a nano ship go scrammed, typically?

More importantly, how much slower does it go than it's opponent when nano ships lack the mids for scrams and webs themselves, and so can't hard tackle back?

With 150k+ EHP against 3-4k DPS and logistics there is never a risk you can't deaggro.

How many times have you pvp'ed in 0.0? How long have you lived in 0.0?
Are you just assuming these things?

Indeed. So, 2 points following this

1) What do you do when a Rapier decloaks near you?

2) It's interesting how you say that, because as we all know it takes quite a bit of skill to stay out of scram range of more than one opponent. In fact, it is nigh on impossible if there's more than about 3 scrams on the field.

So I ask: - given "nanofaggots" have to do a lot of work to minimize risk to their ship (and it remains high regardless) what skills do you need, pilot skills, to sit stationary and shoot other stationary targets?

What inputs as a player do you do that makes your victory or survival more likely? What are some common mistakes?

In the vids you have shown I could sit my 5 year old niece at the computer and relay instructions on what to do quite easily.

I think the skills displayed in this vid would translate really well to mission running and I don't think it would be too much of a step up that you couldn't make it.

i'm trying to help you. You could make like 60mil an hour.

c'mon man, I know it's scary but some missions even have a station in so you won't feel too out of your comfort zone.

It's not, since your logic doesn't translate. If the fight isn't going your way and you're scrammed there is no means of escape.

Just a few situations that can go wrong trying to kite:

- Slingshot landing on you
- Rapier (even if it only webs you for 5 seconds, that will be long enough to get scrammed)
- Other people landing with good warpins, and scrams
- A 2 day old hero Rifter, landing a scram and web (by the time you lock him back, the guy you were kiting got into his scram range)
- A tiny bit of lag making your range to target inaccurate
- The other guy jumping a link alt into the system and suddenly he's catching you

Things that can feasibly stop you docking at 4-4 in the videos seen:
- The enemy fleet suddenly getting 3x larger, and you having no warning on watchlists
- An orca undocks and you use it's fitting service to remove your plates before trying to ride out the aggro timer.

There is almost no risk at all doing this (and more importantly, that risk can be controlled as third parties can't get involved in damaging your ship, you can always perform a risk assessment).

You can de-aggro a Vindy with 3 guardians + LG slaves on it whilst being shot by 6-8k DPS ..there's no realistic risk.

You can keep telling me how you can avoid losses in lowsec, but the point is it takes actual skill to pull off, whereas sitting perfectly still takes no skill whatsoever.

hahahaha

priceless. i've shown this quote to everyone, it deserves to be famous.

Lots of rabble rabble rabble

lol, because your remote reps are invulnerable? it's not hard to understand.

This dude should join the SoCo with how much he sits on the station and plays undock games.

The problem is, all these risks are present everywhere else PLUS every other risk. Highsec is literally (by design) the safest space making it (by design) the space where you can PVP with lowest risk.

You compound this by then only ever fighting within a docking ring such that your maxiumum exposure to danger is 60seconds, which is a lot of time on 150k EHP battleships.

Within the structure of EvE PVP, there is no scenario in which there is less risk than in what you are doing in this video... except maybe can flipping a 5 day old miner.

Unless you don't turn hardeners on there is almost nothing that can go wrong.

Wardec PVP affords you perfect intel on the target, every time. I really don't see how you can ever lose, which is why most empire PVP is pointless station games where no one actually pops.

Came from Reddit expecting complete fail. Left satisfied.

You sir, don't know what you're doing. I hope your Corp/Alliance boots you for giving them such a terrible reputation all of a sudden.

You really know you're **** at pvp when every imaginable aspect of it could be improved by simply running incursions for a few weeks

Oh dear god, please tell me this thread is a massive troll. This actually made me laugh quite a bit.

On to the pvp vid. Nice editing, well done, although the fights were lackluster at the most. Looks like each fight had multiple neutral rr on the field, which tends to make a fight boring to watch. Sorry bud, but 0 risk highsec pvp with neutral gaurdians isnt the kind of thing that people want to see in a video, expecially those who are new to the game, and trying to see what pvp is like. Without the Neutral reps and a decent fight, then it wouldve actually looked good.

Just pressing F1-F3 and sitting on station doesent cut it on the excitement factor that a pvp video is supposed to bring. Try taking the fight off of the station, and off of a gate and that may show a lot more action and excitement. I wouldve preferred watching ONE very good fight, then looking at all this riskless pvp with neutral rep on station/gate. Sorry if you actually did this in the video but i started to skim it after the first couple of fights as it was REALLY boring >.>

On another note, good ol reddit supplying links to delusional derpage, happy to see I wasent disappointed.

You constantly post about how risky it is because things can go wrong (Oh no, 2 of my 4 neutral RR are jammed and need to dock and undock to get reps back up)

Please post videos where all 4 of your RR get jammed and you dock in 10% structure, or get into a DPS race where you are trying to whittle down incoming DPS in order to survive.

Make the videos interesting. Don't say "BUT THERE'S SO MUCH RISK INVOLVED" (which I contend there is not), but instead post videos where **** hits the fan and you show your pr0 piloting abilities to bail yourself out.

I could post a video of me rubbing peanut butter all over my body () and argue "Holy **** I've never been exposed to that before, I could have been allergic and died". That was a bad analogy and would still make an interesting video by itself, but you get the point.

Just found out that this guy exists. What an amazing thread. Never leaving docking range of a station is easily the lowest form of PVP. You should look into World of Warcraft dude I think it's a bit more your speed.

EDIT: How have ancillary shield boosters changed your little world of hisec station games?

Posting in an epic thread.

As someone who has a long history of high-sec pvp i can attest to the fact that it's about as fun to watch as catching aids.

After the 1st fight i skipped through to the end. Also the editing is very messy IMO.

Nice job kicking up a sh*t storm to attract views though, good sir.

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For those of you who doubt that Empire pvpers are cunning strategists, I invite you to read this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=272282

From the grandmaster of Empire pvp himself, a certain Mr. Kai86 of Rebirth.:

You can only marvel in shocked silence upon reading about this maneuver -- who else could come up with the idea of intentionally suiciding expensive ships under your enemy's corp ticker to drop their efficiency?

Brilliant.

OP talks about HAC's and how easy they are to fly.

He claims there is skill, sitting @ zero m/s on an undock that is 40+km in every direction, he hits turns on his hardners and then targets and puts on his guns. Moves over to his other 3 screens and staggers reps on himself. Cant tank it, overheat reps to see, cant tank it, deaggro and say GF in local, proceed to stay docked until more RR is available.

This is about as complicated as it gets.

You engage 10 man gang on gate with your single cynabal, you have to keep range at first and pick a target that is seperating off the gang, get rid of a fast tackler or make sure rapier/falcon are not cloaked nearby before you commit to point range. Then you have to proceed to shoot this said target, while watching out for ecm drones, falcon, rapier and any new targets landing on grid like a ceptor/AF. You have to stay out of scram range which is less than 11km away, 15 if your overheating your point.

Doing all this while maintaining range and the rest of his gang.

Your target is now dead, you are low on shield and you need to get out before the camp gets bigger. Oh **** cant dock, have to fight your way out.

Confirming this all sounds so very easy.

I dont even know why I am posting in this thread anymore.

The OP is an idiot, the video is terrible and its basically 10+pages of him multi-quoting people trying to prove a point he doesn't understand. Not a single person in this thread but him has backed up his "Highsec pvp is risky, even with 4 neutral RR".

Complete, idiot.

5 Guardians in a 16 man gang...you guys are crap tbh

well i live in empire these days and so does my corp, and none of us agree with you. Neither does any other high sec pvpers i know. So i call bullsh1t on your claim

The worst thing is that a lot of ppl here think your a troll, but since i know who you are in rl, i know for a fact that you really are this dumb

You need to bring a Guardian or ECM ship for every DPS ship the enemy brings, because that is just how you minimize risk!

There's basically nothing that can go wrong in the videos posted. Highsec affords the ability to get perfect intel, so if you don't know (minimum) how many enemy there are and exactly who they are you're very bad at the game. You have more Guardians than you need, so even if 1/2 get jammed you can still get in the dock, and if it is in anyway risky the guardians can just dock/undock and cycle their reps on you before being jammed again.

There's something to be said that this video is the perfect demonstration of how to remove all the risk from your PVP, but if that is meant to be entertaining you're quite mistaken.

You're good at what you do, but what you do is engage in a form of PVP that is * almost* completely risk free and has a very low entry requirement for pilot skills. There's not much refinement or improvement on "sit still, shoot weapons" -- your "ability" to fight outnumbered is simply because a large amount of your numbers are logistics.

Nothing to beat your chest over, really.

Honestly, the only reason an organisation like yours gets kills this way against other PVP groups is because the enemy are either bad at sizing up their chances, or they simply don't know how many non-WT people are going to start repping you. Oh, and random haulers/mission ships undocking from Jita, which is most of your kills.

Wont happen, because the rest of his alliance is on par with NightmareX.

Pretty bored of this thread and the OP.

OP is blind, hes right and every other single person in this thread is wrong.

Your ******* pathetic.

Last post me thinks, enjoy your shitfest "pvp" and risk-less engagements m8, gfgfgf

this thread is enjoyable, although I'm not gonna lie, I'm a noob and don't necessarily get some things. but I enjoy reading stuff like this because there's always something educational.

I'm always impressed at the ability of people to extract information from these Eve videos, they just look like confetti to me. So, exposing myself as ignorant of basic war mechanics, you guys keep talking about neutral remote repping.

does that mean if I'm in a fight with nightmareX, I can't shoot his reppers because they're neutral? that would get concord on my ass?

but I can still theoretically jam them (as described under 'potential risks' of this strategy)?

Dont u have like 600 kills?

From 2004?

I say u not make good on pvp lol

Nightmare - this thread is being discussed on a gaming news website

The title of the opening article reads 'Confused child soon to find out he is confused'

Few things:

1) the page views/number of posts aren't supposed to be a way of measuring your success- the comments are. Quit posting whilst you're ahead

2) you're not ahead

Please note: I haven't watched your video as the community has made it v clear you are ****


Edit:

What about those of us that aren't 0.0 fanboys and still very much hate your video ~

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ye we know

i too shoot drakes at 50km with antimatter and im not really good at megathron but im really good at vindicator

There is no point arguing with this guy, fellas. I have pointed out daily how delusional this person is the last 2 years. I actually feel sorry for Nightmarex. He simply can't comprehend the situation. It is like his parents raised him wrong, as a joke.

Never stop posting.

Why did u disable the like and dislike buttons on youtube?

Afraid of people to give their opinion on ur video?

lol.

"The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes"

This is basically OP.

I hope he's trolling because it takes a whole lot of stupid to claim what he is claiming seriously.

And that is me done with the thread, OP will never ever see that he's stupid no matter how many times people point it out.

I actually pity him.

Anyone who disagrees is a "0.0 fanboi" which is hilarious seeing as most of the people telling him he's bad have done or are currently doing highsec PVP.

That he can non-ironically say he brings one neutral Guardian per DPS ship and still claims there are more risks than in lowsec/nullsec is probably the most hilariously sad thing I have ever seen.

I already ridiculed that post, in which you claim gaining intel in 0.0 is easier than in highsec, which is just flat out terribly bad.

I will make this hilariously easy for you:

WH - anything is permissible, no local channel
0.0 - anything is permissible
LS - no AOE weapons or interdiction. Titans cannot doomsday. Gate guns for illegal aggression
HS - no AOE weapons or interdiction. No cynos. Only valid targets without CONCORD interaction are wartargets.

That is basically how it breaks down through space types.

So, whenever you list a risk in highsec, it is *also present in every other space type* -- on top of the ones you mention you get all the risks that come with lower sec.

Most crucially, if you wardec someone then only the wartargets can get involved. If you dec a 20man corp and 5 are online, then the expected fleet size that can shoot you is 5 and the maximum is 20.

In no other space type can you say this for certain. It allows you to perfectly plan your engagement and there should be no way you can lose ships.

This shows in your video where you abandon the Vindicator when you enter lowsec, since you ******* know there's more risk to it there.

nightmarex will end this thread by claiming that he's trolling

and even if he is, nobody will believe him and still perceive him as an idiot

You should probably put less effort into editing your vids m8, then people will just ignore it instead of dragging you into a 20 page flame war where everyone except you thinks you're awful.

It's been done multiple times throughout this glorious spergefest. Reasons that have made sense to everyone but you.

This was the worst Eve pvp video I have seen since ReMined 4 by NightminerX, member of God-Awful Squad.
Wait, this is the same video.

Nightmare

No wonder you're a virgin, Nightmarex.

You fooled me once. I thought you were genuinely serious about this whole highsec pvp thing is "pro", and had so many unknown variables that are impossible to account for and thus, "risky" and require "balls of steel" to pull off.

But now I see you for the magnificent troll you are. There's no way anyone could possibly believe the above is true of eve highsec pvp. I tip my hat to you good sir, I shall rise no more to your bait.

Ushra'Khan is in nullsec? When did this happen? Did CCP suddenly change the sec status of Kourmonen and Auga the last couple hours?

http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=22792

http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=5937

please don't bring your vindi up to scare people, warp that vindi into a bubble and fight there then talk to us about the risk of fighting in shiny ships.

about wh and 0.0, you have absolutely no clue about how things work there, pal.

in wh, there's this thing that everyone in 0.0 hates called cloak, which hide yourself from dscan, that + no local in wh makes it impossible to estimate the exact number of hostile fleet.

in 0.0, every single people in local that not in your fleet are hostile and they use cloak to approach you.

both place have this thing all carebears hate called bubble to get your shiny pod.

saying that using expensive pod in LS is pure ********

OP: "You take no risks because you PVP in nullsec, but I have a neutral Guardian for every single DPS ship we field and that's risky"

As I said before, if you don't know exactly how many you are facing in highsec PVP then you are bad at the game. Busy system or not, you have the tools and ability to get 100% intel without risking the scouts or having it known that you know.

If you are unable to do this, then you are bad. There is no "risk" in having spare Guardians in 4-4 ready to log on if you find out you can't count.

With the amount of neutral guardians seen in the video you'd be able to tank a sieged Moros whilst de-aggroing, so I have no idea what you think the risk from scrubby battleships is.

The paladin nearly died because it had no buffer - having a badly fit ship nearly die is not indicative of risk.

PLEASEEE tell us you don't literally think what you write? How can you possibly believe you are right?

SO BASICALLY, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE (EVERYONE) IN THIS THREAD THINKS YOUR VIDEO IS ****, BUT THEIR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN 0.0 SPACE. AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THE SAME THING BUT DOESN'T LIVE IN 0.0, THEIR OPINION DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE MAJORITY.

YOU SIR, ARE AN ABSOLUTE ******* R-TARD.

You still seem convinced that Aquila, one of the most known WH corps in eve lives in nullsec. When in fact we are one of the smallest and most efficient small gang corps around. Get your facts right before you try and debate with people that are actually real pvp'ers who take risks.

It also sound like your Vindicator is fit like a worthless overpriced peice of ****, why would you ever officer cap booster, fed navy web, rf point, deadspace mwd when you are within 1km of the target all the time, everytime. Who actually puts 6bil into a "buffer" vindicator.

If you want to see ballsy use of a Vindicator, expensive fit and with high risk of dieing watch any Gods Coldblood video and be put back in your place, get the **** off your high chair and smell the coffee. You are ****, your corp/alliance is ****, your movie is ****, your arguments are ****. You. Are. ****.

hahahahahaha nightmarex namedropping the modules on his vindi fit. he literally has to be trolling.

>has a mediocre pimped vindicator (low-tier officer cap booster wowee; i bet it only has faction magstabs). also boasting about having a domination point and fed navy web? loooool.
>never leaves undock range
>has neutral rr

which basically makes you worthless. there are tons of people who actually leave docking range in vindicators much more expensive than yours looooool

jealous of what

is that the setup you've been chest beating about?

nice c-type mwd lool

so you'll be upgrading to something thats still pretty scrubby


lool

OK, SO NULLSECCERS YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE YOU DONT PVP IN HIGH SEC

BUT HIGH SECCER'S OPINION ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MINORITY OF PVPERS

AND LOW SECCER'S OPINIONS ARE IRRELEVANT, BECAUSE I TALK IN CAPS




GLAD WE GOT THAT UNDERSTOOD. AND SINCE YOU SEEM VERY OPEN & RESPONSIVE TO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ON THIS VIDEO, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME MORE - GO **** YOURSELF WITH A BARBED WIRE BASEBALL BAT. EDIT: MORE SPECIFICALLY, THIS VIDEO IS THE MOST BORING PIECE OF CRAP I'VE EVER WASTED BANDWIDTH ON. THE YOUTUBE AD THAT APPEARED BEFORE THE VIDEO STARTED WAS MORE ENTERTAINING

Confirming that not losing ships is the hallmark of being an elite pvp pilot, and if you lose a ship are you terrible and should be kicked from your corporation and go back to highs- err... Go to 0.0?

When I hire mercenaries, I'm sure to compare them by looking at their k/d ratio and ISK efficiency. **** strategic objectives; it's all about the ISK war! I'd rather a fleet that would cower from a fight where they might possibly have a chance of risking losing their ship and have a great ISK efficiency than one that stupidly tries to accomplish a task.

wait...people pvp in highsec?

THATS ALL VERY NICE OF YOU M8, AND GREAT WORK WITH THE CAPSLOCK PROGANDA. IN RETURN, I PROVIDED SOME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM FOR YOUR VINDICATOR FIT ON BC, AND GAVE IT THE APPROPRIATE RATING. HOPE YOU LIKE.

You are thick. Why do you assume everyone is from nullsec?

I guess RvB doesn-¦t really exsist since it-¦s impossible to pvp without logistics or move away from a station in high sec.

Wait, I am disappoint. Tech 2 guns? Faction plate? Only one officer mod? T2 DC?

Gotta get your rear in gear, son. I've seen Vindicators with a full rack of Officer guns and all Officer Mods in the mids. You don't want all the other Vindy pilots to laugh at you.

You seem to have a talent for getting worse at this game the longer you play it

It's his standard straw man argument to settle his cognitive dissonance whenever someone brings up something that upsets his worldview.

It's either 1) You're a 0.0 fanboi and blob with supers! 2) You're in lowsec where everyone blobs with drakes and 25 carriers! or 3) You're not pvping in docking range of a station with a 1:1 neutral logistics to enemy dps ratio in a multibillion isk ship!

In that order of accusations should you prove him wrong (ie, Ushra'Khan is in nullsec).

I don-¦t have a fleet of logistics so I can-¦t try it.

Do you nerds really not even use broadcasts? You seriously scroll up and down our overview sorted by name to find primaries?

Wow, seriously terrible

WE'VE SEEN YOUR VID MATE, YOU DEFINITELY STAYED BAD, YOU JUST MOVED TO THE AREA OF THE GAME WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON YOUR LEVEL

Even a cursory examination of Darkstars KB would show he's either solo or sub-10 gang, and mostly lowsec with some nullsec.

Could you be more inaccurate with your attempts at insults?

You're the only one in this thread that makes that claim and says "Blob or get blobbed".

Your wild accusation "Darkstar is from nullsec and nullsec is boring!" doesn't really apply to him, now does it?

inb4 "But that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't fly like I do, supported by 1:1 neutral logistics to enemy dps ships at 0km on a station undock!"

Then if you don't have the best overview settings and don't use broadcasts, I see no reason for you to argue that you're the absolute best at what you do. You're clearly lacking in a lot of ways that would make even the most basic tasks more efficient.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that any **** alliance (Lookin' at you, Nulli) that wanted to make an alt corp with 5 alliance-funded vindicators and 10 out of corp Logis could do exactly what you do, but much better.

You could give anybody with any PvP experience the same resources that you have and they would be just as good, or better. I think 90% of EVE uses broadcasts to handle target calling now, putting you in the 10% that can't even do that right.

You're the only one putting up these straw man arguments and wild, baseless, accusations.

NightmareX: You just got laughed at on the Alliance Tournament stream, hahahah

Also, they've confirmed neutral Guardians will soon be impossible.

What will you doooooooooooooooo??

Neutral reps will incur global aggression, meaning they effectively go red for all players on grid.

You say that you'd welcome global aggression for Guardians, because surely with 6-8 Guardians there's still little risk.

Just wait until neutral Falcons to counter neutral Logi become FOTM

I would like to highlight this post, as I think it was lost in the badness of this thread. This is what we are all getting at. You choose to pvp in a way that is risk free, with neutral logi, hugging stations. You pvp in a way that is abhorrent to most in this game. If the way you pvped was "THE BEST" and you were "THE BEST" at pvping, then we would all be in empire doing your "ultimate" pvp.

The fact is, we aren't, because it isn't. You are not good at pvp. You choose to fight the bears and other empire bads under the safety of concord, because you can't handle the fact that you would get stomped in low sec or null.

And like he stated above...if ANY half decent low or null sec corporation came and pvped the way you choose to do so, you would quickly see how bad you and your lot really are. If real pvpers came to play with you, you would cry yourself to sleep at the thought of the billions of isk you would lose on a daily basis.

I guess then you would all have to kick yourselves out of your own corp!