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Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 14:25:00 - [1] Poor troll is poor, but removing all insurance is a good idea. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 14:30:00 - [2] Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system, allowing them to attack someone in Empire space without fear of any major repercussions or losses and in fact making a profit when piracy in Empire Space should be exactly the opposite...EXTREMELY COSTLY! It is not an exploit and it is intended to be entirely possible to profit from suicide ganking. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 14:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane And Im not a troll. Typical response from someone that doesnt agree with something a poster has said, but doesnt have the wherewithal to defend the opposite position that he holds. Defend? Position? You say that as if there is an actual argument to be had here. You implied that an intended game mechanic is an exploit, or something which is aimed to be prevented. There are no positions to defend, you are simply wrong. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 15:12:28 Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane No...what I said was that an intended game mechanic is BEING exploited. First of all, 'exploit' and its derivatives have only one common use in regards to games. Secondly, even the second meaning has a negative connotation which is not appropriate. Why not simply say this mechanic is being 'used' rather than 'exploited'? Third, what you originally said was: Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane Because its effectively an exploit of the insurance system - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane Might not have read like that though I admit. It didn't. As I said, in this context, calling something an exploit only has one meaning. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 15:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 15:51:07 Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane blahblahblah An exploit is an exploit. Stop trying to weasel your way out of the misuse of a word with very specific connotations. Originally by: Torothanax And if you manually pilot an empty freighter that gets ganked? Couple people I know had this happen, even with someone scouting. They'll pop a freighter and some haulers just for a killmail. Game mechanics and balancing will never stop people doing things for the lulz. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.04 16:52:00 - [7] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/05/2010 16:52:38 Originally by: Aratuss Thelbane respect If this is how you treat new players deserve the abuse No-one cares that you are new. You won't be flamed for it, but you won't be given any leeway because of it either. The forums do not tolerate stupidity or ignorance; being ignorant of game mechanics/design is not a crime, but is a damn good reason not to be posting in Features and Ideas. Both of your topics are on/near traditional troll topics. There is a specific forum for new people who don't know their way around; people are nicer there. Don't bother talking about respect with some of the responses you have given. - I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Party Scout Current suicide ganking allows the attacker to pick their targets at no risk (just scan them), positions your attackers at no risk (high sec after all), bring in as much firepower as you want (again, high sec, no problem having 50 ships there), attack your target, kill it, loot it, get killed by concord, and GET PAID FOR IT!!! See the problem there? It really is flawed... The game favours the guys who get 50 ships together in a fleet to sit around scanning target after target until the right one comes along over the guy who is AFK hauling billions of ISKs worth of stuff? My god, it's almost as if the game is designed to reward time and effort over laziness and stupidity! Totally broken... - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.07 01:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Boshell The game also rewards carebears with no ability to PvP. Indeed it does. CONCORD exists. Highsec exists. Originally by: Boshell The guy gets to sit there completely safe. He gets to attack his target, and then be COMPLETELY compensated for the losses he incurs for doing so. Time and effort gets you a reward. Lack of effort on the part of the victim gets him a loss. Working as intended. Originally by: Boshell After 15 minutes he gets to do it all over again. As long as he carebears his security status back up, he can keep at it for quite a while. Wow. More time and effort means more reward. Striking observation. Originally by: Boshell I'm sorry I thought this was a PvP game Then why are you trying to prevent PvP from occuring? - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.07 08:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/05/2010 08:25:08 Originally by: Boshell Griefing while hiding behind flawed game mechanics doesn't count as PvP I'm sorry, you are not the authority on what is or is not PvP. Also, it's never greifing. Originally by: Ranka Mei Because it's highsec? You're not supposed to kill people in highsec. Yes, you're allowed to, but you're not supposed to. So if you do, Concord will come to get you. And that justifies making them ever more effective than they are now... how? Originally by: Ranka Mei Um, I think you got this deal worked backwards. It's YOU, and your ganking buddies, who rely on Concord Oh, I'd like you see how far your AFK freighter gets in a world with no CONCORD. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.07 10:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Ranka Mei Because now all ya'll effectively found a way around losing your ships. Nobody 'found a way around' anything. Loss of the attacker's ship to CONCORD was implemented knowing that insurance would reimburse such losses. You are supposed to lose the ship itself, not all the ISK invested in it. The fact that you can profit from attacks which result in losing your ship to CONCORD is not a 'way around losing ships', it's the design working as intended. And T1 insurance is already getting a nerf anyway. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ

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