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Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:16:00 - [1] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 04/12/2004 15:26:54 Before anyone goes out and tell you why i'd like to tell why my self. We are retracting this war not becouse of ingame reasons but becouse of out of game reasons. CCP have lied to us all. They have had a shiva page up for round about 12 months with the war cost prices listed there. Still when we go to war agains XETIC and Fountain along with many other corps im sure. This Allianses full of carebears starts to petittion, whine and cry in all public and private channels. Its incredible how they can wine in such amounts that CCP change the game after their music. And not even that. They start lying to us all about how the prices was a bug. Mind; A bug publicly listed for a year with out anyone noticing.... strange ... Well so we retract our war becouse there is no way we can aford going to war agains an allianse now. And mind my word. This allianses will now make hundreds of alt corps to fill their ranks so that noone can afford going to war agains them. You say, well that will cost them to if they want to war agains anyone. Well they dont! If they did they would be happy for corps like teddybears containing 6 active members to go to war. Thats a war that cost them nothing becouse we pay for it. But NO! They don't want war. They want to carebear and macromine in peace to stack up their wallets with bits and bytes until the day CCP shut down the game. And they have wallets full of imaginary monney. So now they can do this with no war, no player controlled obsticals. Just CCP's free ticket to fat wallets. Trust me, if they dont want war they will get hundreds and hundreds of alt corps filling their ranks and not even the riches alliance would have the economic to go to war against them. Once more we are lied to and played by CPP. Thank you for making the game for us ,full of obsticals made by you. Where your obsticals are the hard one to overcome and the obsticals made by players is the easy one. Piracy in this game is not a game agains and with players. Its a game to fly zig zag between CPP coded obsticals. /emote bends over and get it once more from behind * PS: yes im agrivated. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:16:00 - [2] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 04/12/2004 15:26:54 Before anyone goes out and tell you why i'd like to tell why my self. We are retracting this war not becouse of ingame reasons but becouse of out of game reasons. CCP have lied to us all. They have had a shiva page up for round about 12 months with the war cost prices listed there. Still when we go to war agains XETIC and Fountain along with many other corps im sure. This Allianses full of carebears starts to petittion, whine and cry in all public and private channels. Its incredible how they can wine in such amounts that CCP change the game after their music. And not even that. They start lying to us all about how the prices was a bug. Mind; A bug publicly listed for a year with out anyone noticing.... strange ... Well so we retract our war becouse there is no way we can aford going to war agains an allianse now. And mind my word. This allianses will now make hundreds of alt corps to fill their ranks so that noone can afford going to war agains them. You say, well that will cost them to if they want to war agains anyone. Well they dont! If they did they would be happy for corps like teddybears containing 6 active members to go to war. Thats a war that cost them nothing becouse we pay for it. But NO! They don't want war. They want to carebear and macromine in peace to stack up their wallets with bits and bytes until the day CCP shut down the game. And they have wallets full of imaginary monney. So now they can do this with no war, no player controlled obsticals. Just CCP's free ticket to fat wallets. Trust me, if they dont want war they will get hundreds and hundreds of alt corps filling their ranks and not even the riches alliance would have the economic to go to war against them. Once more we are lied to and played by CPP. Thank you for making the game for us ,full of obsticals made by you. Where your obsticals are the hard one to overcome and the obsticals made by players is the easy one. Piracy in this game is not a game agains and with players. Its a game to fly zig zag between CPP coded obsticals. /emote bends over and get it once more from behind * PS: yes im agrivated. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:21:00 - [3] I agree that the price is quite stiff. We have however looked at the numbers and we expect these wars to fund themself, via loot. There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:21:00 - [4] I agree that the price is quite stiff. We have however looked at the numbers and we expect these wars to fund themself, via loot. There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:23:00 - [5] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2004 15:27:45 Altho not sure wether the sudden change ccp did was caused by whining tbh, I do agree with you. Soon there will be empire alliances of like 200 corps just allying to be safe from war declarations because of the prohibitive cost. Next to that only the very rich and dedicated single corporations could afford to (-pay someone to-) declare war on alliances in 0.0 now. I know we won't be stopped by it, but smaller corps like yours did get the shaft this time round. I sincerely hope ccp thinks this one through a bit more before alliances become the equivalent of noobcorps: only susceptible to pvp in low sec space. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:23:00 - [6] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2004 15:27:45 Altho not sure wether the sudden change ccp did was caused by whining tbh, I do agree with you. Soon there will be empire alliances of like 200 corps just allying to be safe from war declarations because of the prohibitive cost. Next to that only the very rich and dedicated single corporations could afford to (-pay someone to-) declare war on alliances in 0.0 now. I know we won't be stopped by it, but smaller corps like yours did get the shaft this time round. I sincerely hope ccp thinks this one through a bit more before alliances become the equivalent of noobcorps: only susceptible to pvp in low sec space. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:36:00 - [7] :o some wacky tobaky Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:36:00 - [8] :o some wacky tobaky Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Nafri	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:37:00 - [9] arghh, wait im nearly ready for empire Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:37:00 - [10] arghh, wait im nearly ready for empire Wanna fly with me?
djubrica	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2004 15:27:45 I sincerely hope ccp thinks this one through a bit more before alliances become the equivalent of noobcorps: only susceptible to pvp in low sec space. Well, what if this is the exact aim to satisfy the mass whining?
djubrica	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 04/12/2004 15:27:45 I sincerely hope ccp thinks this one through a bit more before alliances become the equivalent of noobcorps: only susceptible to pvp in low sec space. Well, what if this is the exact aim to satisfy the mass whining?
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:50:00 - [13] Furthermore, if the devs think alliance will be declaring war on each other, they are delusional. I sincerely believe that no major alliance will declare war on another because: 1. It will cost so much 2. They themselves have too much to lose Just like always, fighting will happen in 0.0 space between those who want to fight each other, while those who don't want to can avoid it all and travel in Empire as safely as ever. In fact, the Eve of the future will be even safer since it will not be possible to declare on individual corps in alliances. So what will we have? - Indestructible POS - Alliances that are invulnerable to war Hooray I say. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Jazz Bo	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:50:00 - [14] Furthermore, if the devs think alliance will be declaring war on each other, they are delusional. I sincerely believe that no major alliance will declare war on another because: 1. It will cost so much 2. They themselves have too much to lose Just like always, fighting will happen in 0.0 space between those who want to fight each other, while those who don't want to can avoid it all and travel in Empire as safely as ever. In fact, the Eve of the future will be even safer since it will not be possible to declare on individual corps in alliances. So what will we have? - Indestructible POS - Alliances that are invulnerable to war Hooray I say. Originally by: DB Preacher Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
Seleene	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2004 15:54:36 Zarquon, I understand your frustration. Thus far, it's just been 1 million ISK to declare on FA. If it goes up to 20 or 50 million, fine. I've no doubt that our clients will pay such an "administrative fee". However, I share your concern over the alt corp issue. I honestly wonder if the well known alliances are going to be cowardly enough to do what you say. I mean, let's be honest here. If CA (for example) suddenly balloons into 400 corps, that would be a pretty obvious sign that they are too cowardly to deal with wars I would think. However, I'd like to give CA the benefit of the doubt and I imagine they would NEVER do such thing. Why? Because any alliance that does will be laughed into obscurity! I would hope that the major alliances have enough pride and confidence in what they have built to not let their organizations be diluted by "filler corps" that serve no other reason than to abuse the absurd game mechanic that needs a serious look by the Devs. I was screaming about this months ago. I created threads that had over 100 replies on two occasions. NEVER has a Dev spoken on this issue. We still have yet to even get an honest clarification on the math behind the costs involved, at least I haven't seen it and this is what I do for a living! Hang in there, Zarquon. I'm hoping CCP will sort this out, but I'm not holding my breath. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:51:00 - [16] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2004 15:54:36 Zarquon, I understand your frustration. Thus far, it's just been 1 million ISK to declare on FA. If it goes up to 20 or 50 million, fine. I've no doubt that our clients will pay such an "administrative fee". However, I share your concern over the alt corp issue. I honestly wonder if the well known alliances are going to be cowardly enough to do what you say. I mean, let's be honest here. If CA (for example) suddenly balloons into 400 corps, that would be a pretty obvious sign that they are too cowardly to deal with wars I would think. However, I'd like to give CA the benefit of the doubt and I imagine they would NEVER do such thing. Why? Because any alliance that does will be laughed into obscurity! I would hope that the major alliances have enough pride and confidence in what they have built to not let their organizations be diluted by "filler corps" that serve no other reason than to abuse the absurd game mechanic that needs a serious look by the Devs. I was screaming about this months ago. I created threads that had over 100 replies on two occasions. NEVER has a Dev spoken on this issue. We still have yet to even get an honest clarification on the math behind the costs involved, at least I haven't seen it and this is what I do for a living! Hang in there, Zarquon. I'm hoping CCP will sort this out, but I'm not holding my breath. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Leno	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:58:00 - [17] i agree as well, if u dont want the risk and so forth, dont join the alliance, dont do any of that stuff. They make the choice, there is plenty of more profit to be made in an alliance, but it should come with the choice and the risk --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Leno	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:58:00 - [18] i agree as well, if u dont want the risk and so forth, dont join the alliance, dont do any of that stuff. They make the choice, there is plenty of more profit to be made in an alliance, but it should come with the choice and the risk --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:58:00 - [19] FA's 'connections' get them out of another tricky situation... My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.12.04 15:58:00 - [20] FA's 'connections' get them out of another tricky situation... My vids and random stuff
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 04/12/2004 16:30:43 Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2004 15:54:36 Zarquon, I understand your frustration. Thus far, it's just been 1 million ISK to declare on FA. If it goes up to 20 or 50 million, fine. I've no doubt that our clients will pay such an "administrative fee". However, I share your concern over the alt corp issue. I honestly wonder if the well known alliances are going to be cowardly enough to do what you say. I mean, let's be honest here. If CA (for example) suddenly balloons into 400 corps, that would be a pretty obvious sign that they are too cowardly to deal with wars I would think. However, I'd like to give CA the benefit of the doubt and I imagine they would NEVER do such thing. Why? Because any alliance that does will be laughed into obscurity! I would hope that the major alliances have enough pride and confidence in what they have built to not let their organizations be diluted by "filler corps" that serve no other reason than to abuse the absurd game mechanic that needs a serious look by the Devs. I was screaming about this months ago. I created threads that had over 100 replies on two occasions. NEVER has a Dev spoken on this issue. We still have yet to even get an honest clarification on the math behind the costs involved, at least I haven't seen it and this is what I do for a living! Hang in there, Zarquon. I'm hoping CCP will sort this out, but I'm not holding my breath. Seleene i agree with your points. And im sure CA dont want this hige costs either. Im sure they want wars and would be happy to have corps like us pay the small fee of to day. All pvp players want pvp and i considre CA a pvp alliance. The problem is all the players that dont want pvp. They will use this to make them impossible to harm. And thats the base of the problem. We cant have a eve where only them who want to pvp, pvp. There must be some way to force players to pvp. or eve dies. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:05:00 - [22] Edited by: Zarquon Beeblebrox on 04/12/2004 16:30:43 Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2004 15:54:36 Zarquon, I understand your frustration. Thus far, it's just been 1 million ISK to declare on FA. If it goes up to 20 or 50 million, fine. I've no doubt that our clients will pay such an "administrative fee". However, I share your concern over the alt corp issue. I honestly wonder if the well known alliances are going to be cowardly enough to do what you say. I mean, let's be honest here. If CA (for example) suddenly balloons into 400 corps, that would be a pretty obvious sign that they are too cowardly to deal with wars I would think. However, I'd like to give CA the benefit of the doubt and I imagine they would NEVER do such thing. Why? Because any alliance that does will be laughed into obscurity! I would hope that the major alliances have enough pride and confidence in what they have built to not let their organizations be diluted by "filler corps" that serve no other reason than to abuse the absurd game mechanic that needs a serious look by the Devs. I was screaming about this months ago. I created threads that had over 100 replies on two occasions. NEVER has a Dev spoken on this issue. We still have yet to even get an honest clarification on the math behind the costs involved, at least I haven't seen it and this is what I do for a living! Hang in there, Zarquon. I'm hoping CCP will sort this out, but I'm not holding my breath. Seleene i agree with your points. And im sure CA dont want this hige costs either. Im sure they want wars and would be happy to have corps like us pay the small fee of to day. All pvp players want pvp and i considre CA a pvp alliance. The problem is all the players that dont want pvp. They will use this to make them impossible to harm. And thats the base of the problem. We cant have a eve where only them who want to pvp, pvp. There must be some way to force players to pvp. or eve dies. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:33:00 - [23] To be honest this change does not really surprise me. It is perfectly in line with CCP's steadfast decication to nurfing PvP to a point where it's pretty much only gonna happen if the parties agree in triple. As I see it alliances want the best of 0.0 and the best of Empire in one neat parcel. With PoS it will be even easier for 0.0 players to hide behind a forcefield and a virtually indstructible PoS. Due to cost they'll also be able to hide in empire doing their agent missions, sales, mining etc. because nobody will really be abel to afford the cost of declaring war. The future of EVE is carebearish, the future is boring.
Teutobod	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:33:00 - [24] To be honest this change does not really surprise me. It is perfectly in line with CCP's steadfast decication to nurfing PvP to a point where it's pretty much only gonna happen if the parties agree in triple. As I see it alliances want the best of 0.0 and the best of Empire in one neat parcel. With PoS it will be even easier for 0.0 players to hide behind a forcefield and a virtually indstructible PoS. Due to cost they'll also be able to hide in empire doing their agent missions, sales, mining etc. because nobody will really be abel to afford the cost of declaring war. The future of EVE is carebearish, the future is boring.
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:37:00 - [25] I can only thing of one way to zig zag around this CCP obsticals. Sadly this way is a long term boring way. Every pvp player in eve should leave this allianse space. Dont fight them. In the end all the pvp players will leave the alliance in boredom. Then we attack them and****them over and over again in their own space... yeah i know its far fetch and more then building a dream castle... but i cant think of anything else then shoot my own corp members or leave the game. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies**
Zarquon Beeblebrox	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:37:00 - [26] I can only thing of one way to zig zag around this CCP obsticals. Sadly this way is a long term boring way. Every pvp player in eve should leave this allianse space. Dont fight them. In the end all the pvp players will leave the alliance in boredom. Then we attack them and****them over and over again in their own space... yeah i know its far fetch and more then building a dream castle... but i cant think of anything else then shoot my own corp members or leave the game. -- Lady Beeblebrox Teddybears movies**
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:48:00 - [27] Adding alt corps to raise prices ALSO raises the alliance weekly fee. A lot. Its not a free lunch. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:48:00 - [28] Adding alt corps to raise prices ALSO raises the alliance weekly fee. A lot. Its not a free lunch. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Uther Agnoius	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:56:00 - [29] Fear not! BoB scientists and philosophers will find a way to rain hellfire down on POS and slaughter the the happy carebears.
Uther Agnoius	Posted - 2004.12.04 16:56:00 - [30] Fear not! BoB scientists and philosophers will find a way to rain hellfire down on POS and slaughter the the happy carebears.

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