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Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:30:00 - [1] Hello everyone how we all doing, good. I wanted to talk to you guys and let u know what ive been up to. Before I kick of i'd like to ask that we all just chill out and relax. lets try and be grown ups and have a civilised discussion, ive got no problem with good natured teasing, lets make an effort to keep it light. - What Im doing now - Ive gotten involved in alot of pvp and Ive found it to be a good experience, AOV are still here attempting to keep uf-kkh occupied. Ive lost a number of ships recently as have the few guys that are still with me. We have willingly engaged in pvp tactics that made our hearts beat faster. I normally login from a deep safespot, i seldom dock. I spend some time wattching AOV come into uf as i log in, then perhaps go afk cloaked for a few hours, I do alot of ratting with my 2 alts down there, my tactics are flawless, theyll never catch me ratting. My Strategy is to simply bore AOV to death while ratting and staying cloaked, I cant see how they are going to remove me if they can never catch me. One thing that many enemies lack is strength of mind, I believe AOV's problem is that their getting bored with pursuing me just as i anticipated. I really am quite happy to live under these conditions. Im getting on well with some members of stain empire, ive had time to think about whats happened over the years and I really think its great that SE and myself have managed to find some common ground. I actually admire how diciplined they are even in the previous thread they never once smacked it. - The Future - Yes, I will do another Hub Zero. I gotta sort some stuff in real life so it will probably be in about a year and a half. I'd like to think that SE and EA can work together in the future and change the face of stain/npc 0.0. I'd like to try and convince Stain empire to become NRDS, if this happens then they stand to make TRILLIONS of isk from all the trade that will come to Stain. I will really try to convince SE leardership that this is the right way to go, we gotta try and move past this NBSI attitude and try somthing different. Its all pretty good i suppose, One good thing thats come out of hub zero is all the great friends ive made. ultimatley this is what its all about.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:41:00 - [2] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 06/05/2010 00:41:05 Jesus Christ dood, shut the **** up. (Ok now I'm going to read the post). EDIT Nope, Original post was completely appropriate. Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Dianeces North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:47:00 - [3] You're looking for something called a "blog". Google it if you don't know what that is.
Whiny McEmokid	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Aaron Hi, I'm Aaron, I'm kind of a big deal around here TL;DR version
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:51:00 - [5] Hi Aaron! Your post was pretty long and didn't seem very interesting so I didn't read it but I hope you are having a great day.
Von Mukesh	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:53:00 - [6] Hi, my name is Aaron and I want to take you hostage for about 10 minutes. Thanks !!!
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Aaron Yes, I will do another Hub Zero. I gotta sort some stuff in real life so it will probably be in about a year and a half. I'd like to think that SE and EA can work together in the future and change the face of stain/npc 0.0. I'd like to try and convince Stain empire to become NRDS, if this happens then they stand to make TRILLIONS of isk from all the trade that will come to Stain. I will really try to convince SE leardership that this is the right way to go, we gotta try and move past this NBSI attitude and try somthing different.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:56:00 - [8] hi cat here please contact me as it seems you have a desire to improve eve x Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 00:56:00 - [9] I tried reading that 3 times, and just had to look away. Like my eyes had some aversion to looking at it. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:02:00 - [10] Hello Aaron, Sounds like you are having a fun time. I wish you luck with your future efforts in moving EVE past UT In Space. Your post was a nice break from the monotony of General Discussion and I hope to hear from you again. Fly Safe, Crumplecorn - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ

Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Nicholas Barker I tried reading that 3 times, and just had to look away. Like my eyes had some aversion to looking at it. Look at what you've done Aaron, I'm agreeing with the enemy, and its all your fault.
Faolan Fortune	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:18:00 - [12] Grabs popcorn Shame I don't like popcorn...
Ren Nekk Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:22:00 - [13] Haters gonna hate.
Trader20	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:25:00 - [14] Edited by: Trader20 on 06/05/2010 01:26:16 wow bro thats real funny...... might wanna stop posting, its really pathetic edit: also I've never heard of u so u cant be that important
Tibalt Avalon Suck my Titan	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:31:00 - [15] Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of AARON YOUR POST SUCKS of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Walls of Text Hardstyle Ambassador
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:33:00 - [16] vote bnp! i mean cat! x Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:36:00 - [17] Hi Aaron I'm Oscar. I'm kind of a big deal around here. When I'm not not logging into Eve I'm browsing the forums hoping you'll post a topic. Today was my lucky day. I must now wash my underwear. I apologize for having one of those sigs...Sorry. I've just killed two parrots with one stone. Shadow.
Sirref Naes Gallente Spacial 8 Xchange	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:36:00 - [18] Page 1... [This Post will be edited on a later date]
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails vote bnp! i mean cat! x lol, u seem to have a good sense of humour, ill definatly get my clone over your way, we can have some adventures for the memory books
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.06 01:53:00 - [20] This hub idea sounds interesting. Send me some information. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.

Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.06 02:02:00 - [21] Aaron, together we will be unstoppable. Hit me up. x Have you voted Cat today? My Facebook!
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.06 02:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Aaron, together we will be unstoppable. Hit me up. x Aaron, I highly suggest you take Cat up on this proposal. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Agent Unknown Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.06 05:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Gabriel Angelus This hub idea sounds interesting. Send me some information. Wait...oh, I see. By the way, this is my signature. TeamSpeak For EVE - API-controlled TeamSpeak 3 Access!
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G	Posted - 2010.05.06 05:50:00 - [24] Stain is already NRDS. Feel free to bring your freighters in. ________ Chicago players channel: 'Windy City'
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.05.06 07:30:00 - [25] I love this post. Good read 9/10
Roastedpot Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.06 07:45:00 - [26] oh hai! your that famous aaron guy! poasting in a famous aaron thread where people care about famous aaron!
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.05.06 07:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Aaron Ive gotten involved in alot of pvp Not really.
Zofe Stormcaller Gallente Shadow Company Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.05.06 08:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Stain is already NRDS. Feel free to bring your freighters in. Yep, please feel free to slowboat your freighters to RPS-OK where friendly fleets of hacs will greet you by target locking you :3
Enuen Ravenseye Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:35:00 - [29] "my tactics are flawless" + "I've lost a number of ships recently" = does not compute? Anywho, glad to see you all are still surviving in UF-KKH. Shame about Hubzero though. But what's the point in announcing that you may try to make it work in a year and a half from now? Obviously RL takes priority, but the reality is that in a year+ many things will change. The Hubzero idea will likely be well forgotten in a year and a half. Why not concede that someone else must take the reins if the concept is to survive? Wasn't that supposed to have happened anyway the last time you announced you were leaving (which wasn't all that long ago)? Either let someone else take over or just kill the whole idea off for its own good. It just seems, well, rude to publicly drag this out into the open yet again without some sort of concrete resolution.
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:56:00 - [30] I wish Aaron was my freind, but expect a big shot like him wont want to talk to a no body like me. On a totally related topic, i had toast for breakfast and i put jam on it AND chocolate spread, i think im some sort of genius it was amazing. Also a saw this little pink doggy to day, it had a fully tail, i did a lol.

Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.06 12:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Aaron I normally login from a deep safespot, i seldom dock. That ain't gonna happen from May 18 no more Nice read. ________________________ Apply \| Channel CBSN Lounge
Praesentius	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Kendon riddick On a totally related topic, i had toast for breakfast and i put jam on it AND chocolate spread, i think im some sort of genius it was amazing. Nutella? mmmmmm
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:40:00 - [33] Originally by: Kendon riddick i put jam on it AND chocolate spread, i think im some sort of genius /signed ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
Gordon Fell	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:43:00 - [34] Nice story. I like the attention span theme; everyone chips in too.
Swiftgaze Elysium Trading Company Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:46:00 - [35] Ermmm if there's profit in that plan, count me in. In a year and a half. VOTE CAT ELYSIUM VOTES CAT
Rellik B00n Minmatar Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2010.05.06 13:49:00 - [36] My name is Aaron and I am a slave. As far as I can figure, the year is thirteen hundred A.D and I'm being dragged to my death. It wasn't always like this, I had a real life, once. A job. + LDSkill+hireLDS
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye "my tactics are flawless" + "I've lost a number of ships recently" = does not compute? Im actually talking about 2 different things here, believe it or not ratting is different from pvp. Originally by: Aaron my tactics are flawless, theyll never catch me ratting. Im saying my ratting tactics are flawless. good day to you sir
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.06 16:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Aaron Im actually talking about 2 different things here, believe it or not ratting is different from pvp. That depends on your personal definition of "rat". ________________________ Apply \| Channel CBSN Lounge
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:11:00 - [39] omg
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Aaron I normally login from a deep safespot, i seldom dock. I spend some time wattching AOV come into uf as i log in, then perhaps go afk cloaked for a few hours, I do alot of ratting with my 2 alts down there, my tactics are flawless, theyll never catch me ratting. Too bad deep safes are being removed in Tyrannis. __________________________________________

Dolly Varden	Posted - 2010.05.06 17:55:00 - [41] What's happening! Cat posted twice without typing lol!
Syn Callibri Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.06 18:09:00 - [42] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 06/05/2010 18:09:46 "Hello everyone, are we all doing well? I'm Aaron and I'm here to waste your time and make your eyes bleed with my mighty WALL-O-TEXT!" ...four letters, F - A - I - L.
Typherian Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.05.07 02:54:00 - [43] Edited by: Typherian on 07/05/2010 02:55:47 Edited by: Typherian on 07/05/2010 02:55:32 Obligatory troll. The aaron song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTL9mSQ7VGs On a completely related note. I like cake!
LogiCFX Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.05.07 03:00:00 - [44] REALITY OF UF -aaron logs in a deep safe spot = true -aaron waits until his alt and a friend or 2 logs in = true -aarons gets their friends to undock a carrier to pewpew aov= tru -aarons friend looses carrier, then aaron rages = true he doesnt rat, cause well kill him, and we dont sit around waiting for you as we have other stuff to do. i guess this is an attempt to have a nontrollable thread, nice try. =)
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 04:34:00 - [45] Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 04:49:13 Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 04:35:46 Originally by: LogiCFX REALITY OF UF -aaron logs in a deep safe spot = true -aaron waits until his alt and a friend or 2 logs in = true -aarons gets their friends to undock a carrier to pewpew aov= tru -aarons friend looses carrier, then aaron rages = true he doesnt rat, cause well kill him, and we dont sit around waiting for you as we have other stuff to do. i guess this is an attempt to have a nontrollable thread, nice try. =) You're wrong Logic. My buddies and I rat anytime we like, Ive faced worse odds that what u guys have to offer. My ratting and avoidance tactics are flawless at the moment, im even enhancing them further. Granted we still gotta be carful. The few that are still with me seem to be learning the ratting tactics well and have made alot of isk in a short time. This is Eve online Logic, the possibilities are endless. People will still work with me Ive just got to work differently to make somthing come about. Youll have to look at bottom lines here logic, The fact is im never going to engage your people again, i will reside in uf,and rat. youll have to be extremly intelligent to beat my avoidance tactics you must ask yourself if your alliance has even got the time to persue such a task. My mind is stronger than yours logic, you insist on fighting a battle you will never truly win. I have proved everything i need to, against all odds i stood strong and fought for what I believe. Again my losses have been costly, I believe me and my team still got some good kills even though the odds were terrible. Now we will see how strong you really are logic, how much longer will you punish yourself trying so desperately to shut me down? Im not sure whose carrier loss your refering to btw.
Chuck Sands	Posted - 2010.05.07 04:46:00 - [46] Did you start this topic just to beat this dead horse more? Give it a rest.
Typherian Minmatar Legio Invicta Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.05.07 04:54:00 - [47] Edited by: Typherian on 07/05/2010 04:54:20 The carrier belonging to Scylla V the BLAST member that you have up there to help you play station games with carrier RR. Considering you were playing said station games with your alt and his nidhoggur at the time attempting to save scylla's carrier I'm suprised you are not aware of it. They see me trollin, they hatin.
Dalv Fliteo Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.07 05:25:00 - [48] "Hi, my name is Aaron and i am a alcoholic... also my mother is big and fat... many people who have slept with her told me that. My hobbies are phantasizing about how evil and successful i am in this world called EVE i like to dream about how i crush my enemies and how i am actually the uncrowned king of the universe. I try to explain people that they need to bow down to me and accept whatever face of reality i choose to support at that time. Because what i want them to do is best for everybody. But people just don't understand. That is why i apply evil and supercool pvp tactics of logging on and off docking and undocking... and cloaking.. and sometimes decloaking and exploding but mostly cloaking ... It all started a few years ago when i decided i am the king of eve online and made some system in Stain my capital .. since then i have been defending it with the above mentioned until now proven unbeatable PVP tactics. Since i was gonna be a great king i decided to recruit some minions from empire who would look up to me and admire and worship me. Then at some point i felt people were not thankful enough for me being theyr king... and actually started doing things of theyr own and not act like proper minions.. then i decided to kill them... Then i find another excuse to shoot some other blues.. cos i'm paranoid and crazy like that and now as a consequence i can't uncloak cos i'm being ganked as soon as i uncloak. Right now i am in the denial phase... There is noone stronger then me! i am the ruler of this system [ universe world whatever ] and noone will be able to beat me ... at cloaking. For my supersecret strategy is to bore my enemies to death!"
Queue K'Umber	Posted - 2010.05.07 05:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails Aaron, together we will be unstoppable. Hit me up. x Aaron, For the good of Eve you must take this person up on their offer and once in corp get shares, take over the corp and kick him from it.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Dalv Fliteo "Hi, my name is Aaron and i am a alcoholic... also my mother is big and fat... many people who have slept with her told me that. Insulting someones mother over a computer game huh? Thats low, im not going to get down in the mud with you dalv, you should be ashamed of yourself.

War Kitten	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:26:00 - [51] Don't listen to the hate Aaron. Look yourself in the mirror and repeat Stuart's mantra: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." "Here's your sign." - Bill Engvall
Yarpen Tsunami Cartel Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.07 12:50:00 - [52] Hey Aaron dude, see you are still in UF Drop me a line if you guys are ever lonely in there
CopyCatz Caldari Brewery Research Ltd Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:12:00 - [53] Kate should never have brought you back from the island.
Djakku Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:18:00 - [54] Awh herro Aaron =) This is not a signature.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.07 13:40:00 - [55] Check out Errin in action practicing his elite PVP tactics. But seriously, any noob would be better off picking a random 0.0 system than joining Errin in UF-K. Lots of 0.0 systems are empty most of the day whereas if you go to UF-K you will usually find several AoV members waiting for Errin to undock/decloak and they'll be happy to get a respite from their sentry duty by blowing you up. Any veteran player will find that Errin is feckless and erratic and is extremely narcissistic (hence yet another vanity thread.)
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:03:00 - [56] Verifying I hate this post.
Jarna Amarr Angelus Degeneris	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:04:00 - [57] Edited by: Jarna on 07/05/2010 14:05:15 Hello, hello all. Been gone for a few months or 4 or something like that. Wasn't sure if certain people were still going at it. Hey Aaron o/. Glad to see you still kicking. :p Hey Gabriel :p Still interested in Hub Zero I see. It sort of grows on ya, huh? lol Hey Cat o/ (I don't know you, but you post alot, so I feel like I know ya. :p
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:16:00 - [58] Originally by: CopyCatz Kate should never have brought you back from the island. Now I hate Kate even MORE! +1 for the reference though. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.07 14:36:00 - [59] Welcome back Jarna. Glad to see you squared away everything that you needed to. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
Danks Caldari Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:01:00 - [60] This is the sexiest thread I've seen all day.

Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:42:00 - [61] Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 15:44:17 Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 15:43:02 The best advice I can give to people still wanting to work with me is simple, never listen to my enemies. Listen to me and the few guys that are still with me. I will say that alot of the guys that left or defected were conned. An effective tactic in any war is to damage the name of the enemy. If we analyse this situation further we will see that lots of people still dislike me and use some of my mistakes in the past to make me look bad. However, if I have apologised for things I have done then this means I am repentant, and I am willing to accept critisism. This also shows my enemies are unforgiving and unable to let bygones be bygones. Is it really wise to listen to these folk? Whatever happens, I will always be NRDS, I will allways fight against any form of NBSI, piracy, and extrotion. Thanks for the positive posts, Im very encouraged. Im keeping the Hub514 channel open for people who want to drop in and have a chat. The work involved in changing Eve will be long and arduous, We will need alot of assistance. NRDS community, lets just ignore these NBSI folk and do what we want. There's no way we can allow NBSI folk to dictate NRDS policy.
decoherance Gallente Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.07 15:56:00 - [62] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 15:44:17 Edited by: Aaron on 07/05/2010 15:43:02 The best advice I can give to people still wanting to work with me is simple, never listen to my advice. Fixed.
Billybob Braggins	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:19:00 - [63] Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :)
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:43:00 - [64] Posting in a Aaron thread. Or possibly posting in a Aaron-Haters thread ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Galgacus	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:45:00 - [65] Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Originally by: CopyCatz Kate should never have brought you back from the island. Now I hate Kate even MORE! +1 for the reference though. What reference? I'm lost.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:50:00 - [66] Originally by: Billybob Braggins Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :) If writing pages upon pages about himself was his goal, he certainly suceeded. I prefer the humble heroes, myself. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 16:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Billybob Braggins Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :) If writing pages upon pages about himself was his goal, he certainly suceeded. I prefer the humble heroes, myself. Its about working as a team to change eve fyi.
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Galgacus Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Originally by: CopyCatz Kate should never have brought you back from the island. Now I hate Kate even MORE! +1 for the reference though. What reference? I'm lost. Yes, you are... so you get a +1 as well! ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:08:00 - [69] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Billybob Braggins Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :) If writing pages upon pages about himself was his goal, he certainly suceeded. I prefer the humble heroes, myself. Its about working as a team to change eve fyi. I don't want to start a thing with you that'll inspire walls of text for the next 50 pages, but i followed your other extremely verbose story from day one, and it seemed at first you just wanted to help people out by giving them a place in 0.0 to hang out where you could provide them things to buy, but shortly after people started showing up you wanted to be absolute ruler over everyone there. I don't necessarily have any problem with that, but lets not try to make it into something else. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Jarna Amarr Angelus Degeneris	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Billybob Braggins Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :) If writing pages upon pages about himself was his goal, he certainly suceeded. I prefer the humble heroes, myself. Its about working as a team to change eve fyi. I don't want to start a thing with you that'll inspire walls of text for the next 50 pages, but i followed your other extremely verbose story from day one, and it seemed at first you just wanted to help people out by giving them a place in 0.0 to hang out where you could provide them things to buy, but shortly after people started showing up you wanted to be absolute ruler over everyone there. I don't necessarily have any problem with that, but lets not try to make it into something else. Once again, someone who misunderstands what needed to be done. He wasn't trying to rule everyone, he was trying to set guidelines down that would further the goals he had posted. People came to 0.0 under the pretense of those ideas and when some basic guidelines were set down to help facilitate these ideas, some people rebelled and Aaron treated them as opposers to those ideas/guidelines so that what he was trying to do would not be destroyed. Everything wasn't done 100% perfectly, but it was also a first-time venture. Things were done right and wrong and things were learned; by many people. I only regret I couldn't have helped more. I had signed up to go there when the whole thing first started, but then school finals piled up on me and I couldn't get enough time/money to get there until after the fighting had started, which was to hard to just jump into the middle of when you had no assets out in the middle of nowhere. I suppose things would have been different for me had I been in UF since day one. I say that, to say that I don't know every little detail of how everything went down, but I was there for a little while and I kept up to date and in contact with certain people during all of the happenings there, and I believe, Aaron, though maybe he might have done some things wrong, his heart was in the right place and had tough decisions to make when he found people in his group that said one thing and did another.

Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Billybob Braggins Funny how jealous you lot have gotten over Aaron's success (in internet spaceships and these forums) :) If writing pages upon pages about himself was his goal, he certainly suceeded. I prefer the humble heroes, myself. Its about working as a team to change eve fyi. I don't want to start a thing with you that'll inspire walls of text for the next 50 pages, but i followed your other extremely verbose story from day one, and it seemed at first you just wanted to help people out by giving them a place in 0.0 to hang out where you could provide them things to buy, but shortly after people started showing up you wanted to be absolute ruler over everyone there. I don't necessarily have any problem with that, but lets not try to make it into something else. Thats actually incorrect. I wanted to be part of an NRDS coalition, We were to agree on some policies and simply live by them. Its not uncommon for a venture to change direction. Earning isk became unimportant to me, working as a team and being successful was more important. What you say is what my enemies want you to believe, the question is will you take the time to find out the truth. Probably not.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Professor Tarantula I don't want to start a thing with you that'll inspire walls of text for the next 50 pages, but i followed your other extremely verbose story from day one, and it seemed at first you just wanted to help people out by giving them a place in 0.0 to hang out where you could provide them things to buy, but shortly after people started showing up you wanted to be absolute ruler over everyone there. I don't necessarily have any problem with that, but lets not try to make it into something else. Actually his original stated goal was significantly less altruistic than that. He was originally motivated by greed. 'Buy from my market.' Now he's obsessed with letters. NRDS good. NBSI bad. Even though he shoots Blues routinely, usually on purpose even. Bottom line Errin is a car wreck. We can't help gawking.
DawnTreader	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:24:00 - [73] Why does this thread make my skin crawl?
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:27:00 - [74] Originally by: Aaron What you say is what my enemies want you to believe, the question is will you take the time to find out the truth. Probably not. I don't side with these 'enemies' either. What they say is skewed as well. Just see things as they truly are. I'm sure you like the fantasy of being some kind of revolutionary, but you're simply another EVE player with a personal agenda. You want fame and notoriety after years of obscurity, which is understandable. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Riedle Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:29:00 - [75] Not to mention the fact that he never even mentioned NRDS for 6 months on that old threadnaught. I feel bad for the people who got caught up in his narcissism. He is quite clearly in dire need of validation. I would implore the community to not give him any.
Krist Valentine Amarr British Armoured Division The G0dfathers	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:31:00 - [76] Edited by: Krist Valentine on 07/05/2010 17:34:07 Originally by: Rellik B00n My name is Aaron and I am a slave. As far as I can figure, the year is thirteen hundred A.D and I'm being dragged to my death. It wasn't always like this, I had a real life, once. A job. fuckin a man i havent seen the evil dead films in years - used to be my favourite films :) number 2's the best though for sure haha
sxndy Gallente Snuff inc	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:31:00 - [77] Hello Aaron, could you condense your blog a bit for me .. its a little long for a friday night
Hei'di Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:37:00 - [78] Aaron? hmm that sounds familiar...
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.07 17:41:00 - [79] Errin is a metaphor for CCP. They both mean well. They both start from an awesome position (6 or 7-year old toon / best MMO ever created (if it ever were debugged.)) They both constantly make erratic and ill-advised decisions. They both ignore simple steps to success/victory. They both vastly overestimate their own ability to actually get things done. They both fail. I remind them both of that periodically.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Aaron What you say is what my enemies want you to believe, the question is will you take the time to find out the truth. Probably not. I don't side with these 'enemies' either. What they say is skewed as well. Just see things as they truly are. I'm sure you like the fantasy of being some kind of revolutionary, but you're simply another EVE player with a personal agenda. You want fame and notoriety after years of obscurity, which is understandable. Indeed, I am an eve player with a personal agenda. Its all about helping others that will in turn help others. It will take a team of people to start this cycle, I cannot do it alone. This is early days, I can see you have some interest in changing eve, all i can say is come to channel hub514 and have a chat with us, Im really not as bad as people say.

Gentle Behn Grey Templars	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:32:00 - [81] it's 17:29, and i'm smashing on 'connect' like crazy. Like the guy in the horror movie just trying to in the house, get away from the monsters.. Why did i start reading this thread?? CCP please.. anyone please.. let me in?
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:33:00 - [82] Hello, my name is Aaron, and I'm making this thread because I'm an unrepentant attention wh*re. I crave your attention, whether good or bad, it doesn't matter to me, I rub myself with it, over and over again, in the solitude of my deep safespot. I've been feeling rather lonely and unattended since ~~in a fit of rage I asked the mods~~ Gabriel plotted with the NBSI mods to get my original Hub Zero thread locked. Shortly afterwards I attempted to create another threadnaught, but my cunning NBSI enemies made sure it barely got any attention and moved it to Warfare and Tactics, where it promptly sank into forum oblivion. That made me sad But I'm sure you are all looking forward to hear about my chicken wang munching feats, and whether it is my left or right testicle that is itching at the moment, so I'll be more than happy to oblige and keep you up to date with my awesomeness, starting with this thread. Some day I will change EVE, you will all realize just how wrong you've been all along, and you'll give me the due respect, obedience and admiration I clearly deserve. Oh, also, there's a little man in my head, and he's drunk all of the time.
$Refractor$ Refractor	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:35:00 - [83] this is MadneSSSS. The same thing goes all over again. It reminds me an episode from Max Paine game. \(О_о)/
Gentle Behn Grey Templars	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:45:00 - [84] Still smashing on that door.. really tired.. but still really smashing
Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:49:00 - [85] Malaclypse, how did you find out i plotted with the NBSI mods to kill the threadnaught?!? I 07 you sir. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
malfoy	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Aaron What you say is what my enemies want you to believe, the question is will you take the time to find out the truth. Probably not. I don't side with these 'enemies' either. What they say is skewed as well. Just see things as they truly are. I'm sure you like the fantasy of being some kind of revolutionary, but you're simply another EVE player with a personal agenda. You want fame and notoriety after years of obscurity, which is understandable. Indeed, I am an eve player with a personal agenda. Its all about helping others that will in turn help others. It will take a team of people to start this cycle, I cannot do it alone. This is early days, I can see you have some interest in changing eve, all i can say is come to channel hub514 and have a chat with us, Im really not as bad as people say. they employed a bunch of ****s. their own fault.
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2010.05.07 18:53:00 - [87] Doctor, could you take a look at this? I feel like I have a meme forming... =vinur allra manna Tastes Like Chicken http://evemetagaming.blogspot.com/MetaGaming[
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:10:00 - [88] LOL, u guys crack me up, I talked of doing something like Hub Zero in about a year and a half. not now
Plocsk	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:20:00 - [89] In the mean-time you should try doing Hubs One Through Four as a way to bring more NRDS people to lowsec!
Gentle Behn Grey Templars	Posted - 2010.05.07 19:21:00 - [90] Aaron if you had any dignity at all you'd have left this burning thread to sink into the sea after the first few posts.

Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:02:00 - [91] Its been great talking to you guys again, remember the possibilities are endless. And Im interested in simply talking to people about eve and having some fun adventures. I love a good adventure. Take care, fly safe. o/
superteds	Posted - 2010.05.07 21:04:00 - [92] after the 60+ page thread of shiptoasting, did you not get the message that no-one gives a ****?
LogiCFX Caldari Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.05.08 03:05:00 - [93] Originally by: superteds after the 60+ page thread of shiptoasting, did you not get the message that no-one gives a ***? well said. as for the carrier we ganked, we are atm uploading it to youtube, (yes, we frappsed it) so your reply to the carrier statement will now show how full of sht you are, and not only how full of it you are but how you choose to lie to your "readers", i mean dude you are fail on so many levels that it is nearly impossible to not troll your thread. funniest part of it all that you had your BLAST "friend" engage us and then you brought your carrier out to rep him to hopefully get a kill.... yet you wouldnt follow him out of bump range. as soon as video is uploaded well post the link. He helped u and you left him to die. you should perhaps join them and loose more ships in silly ways but this time maybe to pandas. Being a bad pvper is excusable but a liar, well that isnt...LOL at your tactics!
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.08 03:31:00 - [94] good luck in your endevours logic o/
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.08 11:22:00 - [95] I was not going to post on this thread, but will say that I have been PvP'ing with Aaron a couple of times, the nature of such fights is that we are fighting against enemies that have more people and resources than us, for example in that carrier battle AOV had three carriers and many more ships in the battle and Dalv's Mach was in very low structure and had to warp out. In another battle where Aaron lost his Absolution we sprung an obvious trap and we were one second away from Aaron warping out and getting away scott free. In these battles in such circumstances I have been very impressed with Aaron's fleet command actions in that he is very good at fighting against a superior enemy in terms of numbers. But is it hard as you have many engagements where you take risks and at times risks that have paper thin margins of error, so when people slag off Aaron like this they are really missing the point in a big way about his PvP record, I wonder how LogiCFX and his crew would do with such issues of numbers, well I know that actually, I have seen the result... As for the rating comment in LogiCFX's previous post, I have been ratting in UF as has Aaron, they made multiple attempts to get us and failed, after LogiCFX posted they made more intelligent efforts to stop me and still failed. So who is lying and failing, whose tactics work? I had originallly decided not to post in this thread, but all this comment about Aaron's PvP and FC ability is bull. Originally by: LogiCFX Originally by: superteds after the 60+ page thread of shiptoasting, did you not get the message that no-one gives a ***? well said. as for the carrier we ganked, we are atm uploading it to youtube, (yes, we frappsed it) so your reply to the carrier statement will now show how full of sht you are, and not only how full of it you are but how you choose to lie to your "readers", i mean dude you are fail on so many levels that it is nearly impossible to not troll your thread. funniest part of it all that you had your BLAST "friend" engage us and then you brought your carrier out to rep him to hopefully get a kill.... yet you wouldnt follow him out of bump range. as soon as video is uploaded well post the link. He helped u and you left him to die. you should perhaps join them and loose more ships in silly ways but this time maybe to pandas. Being a bad pvper is excusable but a liar, well that isnt...LOL at your tactics!
Lynn Deniera Caldari The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.08 11:50:00 - [96] "My name is Aaron, and I get primary'd alot." Thats what my mind thought this thread would be about. =P
Thaddeus Morheim	Posted - 2010.05.08 12:40:00 - [97] Originally by: Felix Esperium Hi Aaron! Your post was pretty long and didn't seem very interesting so I didn't read it but I hope you are having a great day. QFT - Hey I'm Thaddeus, I guess you're <insert your name here>.
Specctor	Posted - 2010.05.08 14:58:00 - [98] Edited by: Specctor on 08/05/2010 15:09:16 It looks like a baby Threadzilla........ It is a baby Threadzilla!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzickvq_xJA&feature=related
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.08 17:53:00 - [99] Yes, Dracvlad is correct. In our losses against AOV they have only won by an extremly small margin, theres been about 6 or 7 cases of AOV ships escaping on very low structure. We almost got dalvs new macheriel, he managed to MWD and warp on 7% structure. My fleet command skills are pretty cool, I made the best out of the fleet weve got and I must say we do OK in pvp considering the circumstance. The few guys in my fleets perform very well. Logic, a word of advice. You wont be able to keep this up for much longer. the best advice is for you to stop imposing on us and move on. Your previous post was a little silly and I feel that a few of your members may start to question your leadership. Lets get real here, your never going to be able to remove me from this system. and youll never be able to stop us from ratting. The amount of time you spend chasing us is pointless, your team could have ratted and paid for 12 months of plexes in all the time u spend chasing us. You threaten us with fleets of 400 guys. ask yourself this, is it really worth such a big fleet comming down just to camp 5 or 6 guys in an NPC system? Do whatever you feel is neccesary, you will become very bitter as you will not be able to kill any of us and all the time you spend chasing us will be lost. People will believe that the venture was all about me, to an extent it is about me. If you look deeper into it you will find that its also about the people who decide to ally with me. Its very obvious that I cannot do this alone. I wanted to help change the perception of eve and I have learned this is a difficult task. I will not give up on this, The hub Zero project has been very educational ive learned about people attitudes and their likes and dislikes, Im going to incorporate all I have learnt into the the next Hub Zero and it will be a sucess this time. As Ive said im going to wait a long time to start the next venture. Its gonna be really cool and its gonna be one of the greatest ventures eve has ever seen. Im so looking forward to it. Id like to give some advice to all the silent readers and people on the fence about this Hub Zero thing, I would ask that you try to judge me for yourself, I know its very difficult as lots of people have some terrible things to say about me and they say I regularly shoot blues. Alot of this is propaganda and lies so its really up to you to investigate and come to an informed decision. Well, good luck everyone, Ive actually requested this thread be closed, as I feel weve gone as far as we can for the moment. When the New Hub Zero starts I will post it in general disscussions if thats ok with CCP and this time we will se if we can make somthing of it. Take care, and fly safe o/
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.08 17:57:00 - [100] Hi Arron. You are boring. But its fun to point that out. Wherever you went - Here you are.

Governor LePetomane Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:01:00 - [101] Quote: My name is Aaron You live on the second floor?
Kephael Caldari SERENDIPITY INC R-I-P	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:02:00 - [102] Why are you evening posting this when you don't plan on doing a Hub Zero for a year and a half? __________________________________________
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.08 18:35:00 - [103] Ya, why aren't you afternoon posting this? K-Fail, you sound like a perfect recruit for Eternal Ascension. Contact Errin or one of the other denizens of UFail-K?.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.08 21:53:00 - [104] Edited by: Aaron on 08/05/2010 21:53:21 Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Ya, why aren't you afternoon posting this? K-Fail, you sound like a perfect recruit for Eternal Ascension. Contact Errin or one of the other denizens of UFail-K?. I may have misjudged you a bit, i find some of what you say quite comical now that ive gotten to know you. Its humourous because alot of the time you havent got a clue what your talking about feel free to drop by the hub514 channel anytime buddy
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.08 22:33:00 - [105] Hmmm, doesn't sound like Errin is interested K-Fail, perhaps the Night Queefs would be a better bet.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:23:00 - [106] I cant contain myself any longer. I LOVE EVE ONLINE!!!!!!
The Cuckoo	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:37:00 - [107] I <3 Crabs
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.09 15:59:00 - [108] I too have a Napoleonic complex ___________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Ymia Nioco Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.09 16:37:00 - [109] Originally by: Governor LePetomane Quote: My name is Aaron You live on the second floor? You're thinking of Luka. Aaron lives in the basement.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.05.09 17:12:00 - [110] Originally by: Ymia Nioco Originally by: Governor LePetomane Quote: My name is Aaron You live on the second floor? You're thinking of Luka. Aaron lives in the basement. Internetz +10 ________________________ Apply \| Achievements

Riedlim	Posted - 2010.05.09 21:44:00 - [111] Originally by: Governor LePetomane Quote: My name is Aaron You live on the second floor? I live upstairs from you
Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.09 21:57:00 - [112] Turn brackets off, going to be laggy. Ungroup your guns and prepare for lag cycle avoidance. Sort by name, Aaron is primary Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Surianor	Posted - 2010.05.10 01:28:00 - [113] Edited by: Surianor on 10/05/2010 01:30:17 Edited by: Surianor on 10/05/2010 01:29:28 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10243871 so much 4 i wount fight u guys again 4 the ratting: uve only rated once none was online or all docked maybe, i keep rating as i pleasy with u in system last time u tryed to tackle me i puted ur drake into 20 shields and u warped off even though i had full 3 bs rat agro on me and just to repeat myself: who cares what u thinking we are actually doing? ur illusioning urself - still we are up there all 4 u ... we ognore u - untill u actually decloack which ends with u dying, docking or cloacking back up ... i hate myself once more 4 reading and posting here -.- EDIT: Daschi
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.10 09:49:00 - [114] Aaron does not rat with a Hurricane, lol, second that fit had a warp scram and a web. As for ratting, today I have had 7 AOV trying to stop me ratting plus an obvious spy called SirDrako and yet I have still ratted. Ratting now actually. Originally by: Surianor Edited by: Surianor on 10/05/2010 01:30:17 Edited by: Surianor on 10/05/2010 01:29:28 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10243871 so much 4 i wount fight u guys again 4 the ratting: uve only rated once none was online or all docked maybe, i keep rating as i pleasy with u in system last time u tryed to tackle me i puted ur drake into 20 shields and u warped off even though i had full 3 bs rat agro on me and just to repeat myself: who cares what u thinking we are actually doing? ur illusioning urself - still we are up there all 4 u ... we ognore u - untill u actually decloack which ends with u dying, docking or cloacking back up ... i hate myself once more 4 reading and posting here -.- EDIT: Daschi
Surianor	Posted - 2010.05.10 10:07:00 - [115] as u see above there is a seperation from the link and a coment below that read carefully and reply then
Tamara Kit	Posted - 2010.05.10 11:08:00 - [116] I don't think a whole lot of people care anymore. But there will be a turn of tides. I have seen it in the skies. (rhymes too, yay)
Johnny Spacer School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.10 14:43:00 - [117] There are people ratting in UF-KKH. Any other ratting going on out there in New Eden?
Tamara Kit Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.10 16:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Johnny Spacer There are people ratting in UF-KKH. Any other ratting going on out there in New Eden? I haven't seen any, have you ?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.10 16:51:00 - [119] /me does Micheal Jacksons moonwalk and spins around 15 times
Senghir Amarr Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.05.11 18:49:00 - [120] Aaron, was reading your thread at work yesterday. I think I very much agree with everything you stand for, and thought the structure of your posts were genius (for more reasons than I can explain in writing). Also, good for you making a post about something you're proud of and have achieved. I found it funny how some people seem to writhe in disgust just because someone says "I like what I did, I think it's good". We live in a rather silly age where it's much more socially acceptable to say "I'm crap" or "I have this idea, it's probably bad though". In fact, your post drew some hostile attention simply because you liked what you did, and you had people practically foaming at the mouth just because you put your name in the thread title. Anyway, just to say I found it all both interesting and amusing to read yesterday, and if there are any psychologists in the EVE community, I suggest they have a read through that thread :)

Tsompanis R E D E M P T I O N Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:12:00 - [121] I am not going to reason or argue regarding Aaron, normally i do like to explain my point of view but i find it pointless in this situation. All i am going to say is that they where over a hundred (probably way more) of people that checked out his project, every one in the end turned against him, he tried many times to invite new people, but always sooner or later people would realize what was going on and leave him (to be exact, not every single person left, i guess he still has 1 or 2 people that follow him, but that's it) So, to anyone that wants to give a try to what Aaron does, keep that in mind, Those that tried it out before you, they ALL RUN AWAY, there must be a good reason for that. oh and btw, hey Aaron, Gabriel and Tamara :)
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2010.05.12 00:17:00 - [122] Edited by: Sciencegeek deathdealer on 12/05/2010 00:17:39 Shoot me a mail if there is anything I could do to help. Edit: SNIPE!
Dalv Fliteo Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.12 05:51:00 - [123] Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 12/05/2010 05:51:44 Just in case anyone forgets: Aaron's mom is a fat filthy prostitute :)
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.12 05:55:00 - [124] Originally by: Senghir Aaron, was reading your thread at work yesterday. I think I very much agree with everything you stand for, and thought the structure of your posts were genius (for more reasons than I can explain in writing). Also, good for you making a post about something you're proud of and have achieved. I found it funny how some people seem to writhe in disgust just because someone says "I like what I did, I think it's good". We live in a rather silly age where it's much more socially acceptable to say "I'm crap" or "I have this idea, it's probably bad though". In fact, your post drew some hostile attention simply because you liked what you did, and you had people practically foaming at the mouth just because you put your name in the thread title. Anyway, just to say I found it all both interesting and amusing to read yesterday, and if there are any psychologists in the EVE community, I suggest they have a read through that thread :) Psychology is a very interesting subject, Alot of whats happened can be compared to stuff ive seen in real life. Im sure lots of people in find that you can do 1000 good things then as soon as youve done 1 wrong thing youre judged entirly on that, and all the good youve done goes out the nearest airlock. Yes as you say we do live in a silly age where its wrong to give yourself a pat on the back or perhaps voice your opinion on how well youve perfomed on somthing. These are silly conventions that I want nothing to do with. Perhaps the reason for certain responses ive gotten is because im not conforming to these silly unspoken conventions. The thing is im just a guy, As time went by I found myself being pushed into a leadership role, i remember some dude comming into the hub channel on voice asking about standings and Gab saying "well, Aaron is the leader speak to him", up to this point we hadnt even talked about who was the leader we were just a group of guys. I felt it was necessary to do this thread i do miss the hubzero thread. I must say some people have a great sense of humour, shortly after i did this thread another player put one up called "My name is Lady Spank" i was loling for ages. I'd like to respond to Tsompanis, going back to what senghir said abot this silly age we live in i feel this applies to what Tsompanis has said. Lets get real here Tsom, in society no one wants to be on the side with few people, everyone wants to be on the winning side. Its silly of you to say that people left directly because of me Tsom, I remember when Gab and Co cornered me and ganked me, I was suprised at seeing you there firing at me Tsom so i asked you why you did it, you replied "why the **** not, everyone else is" So please please please drop the facade and get real Tsom. You fired upon me because other people were doing it, not because I did you any wrong. When the division was created with Gab and Pathogen people had to ask themselves "where do i stand?" because of conventions in society most people tend to go with the bigger group just so they dont feel like to odd one out, if lots of people are saying "lets fight Aaron" then the clique has spoken and we should all tow the line and do it. The Haters have said that because ive shot blues I should be stopped from leading. I have actually apologised to the blues I shot at the time, and 2 of them are actually still with me today. Even with Demo, we both decided to put it behind us and move on. People like Gab dont care if ive apologised or that i was being provoked at the time when i shot the blues. I believe that with lots of help I/we can achieve the goals of Hub Zero, whats important is that we do it in a realistic way. Ive got so much stuff to teach people, for a long time my voice could not be heard over the noise that the haters were making, I have raised my voice and I will not submit. I will stand my ground and help bring on a new era in eve. My experiences have lead me to this point. In fact destiny has lead me here. Ive said all I can, It really is up to you now. you must decide if 0.0 population is somthing you want to work towards. We will have to stand firm against the factions standing in our way and strike them down with amazing concentration and teamwork. weve had some amazing PVP recently, words cant describe how well some operations have gone, my team have been great, theyve listened to me and done what ive asked, they understand the importance of me being able to concentrate in fleet ops. If they have a problem with somthing ive done then they take me to a private forum and tell me lots of other folk used to argue with me in the middle of pvp which frustrated me. The balls in your court guys, whatcha gonna do?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.12 06:19:00 - [125] Originally by: Dalv Fliteo Edited by: Dalv Fliteo on 12/05/2010 05:51:44 Just in case anyone forgets: Aaron's mom is a fat filthy prostitute :) Linkage
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Gabriel Angelus Amarr Local-Spike Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:09:00 - [127] Actually myself and everyone I fly with don't throw in with the, "well everyone else is doing it crowd". When we came to UF we fought against a larger more established enemy (Stain). Then later when we broke from you we fought against a larger group of people (your corp...and Stain). In time people saw you for what you really are, through your idiotic actions, imbecilic words and narcissistic view of yourself. These pilots either left, or joined us. The above stated reasons are the core of why you have failed. Not due to me or my actions, or the actions of the multitude of pilots that left you or are now arrayed against you. ------------------------------------------------ Whatever is worth living for, is worth dying for.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.12 16:58:00 - [128] Originally by: Gabriel Angelus Actually myself and everyone I fly with don't throw in with the, "well everyone else is doing it crowd". When we came to UF we fought against a larger more established enemy (Stain). Then later when we broke from you we fought against a larger group of people (your corp...and Stain). In time people saw you for what you really are, through your idiotic actions, imbecilic words and narcissistic view of yourself. These pilots either left, or joined us. The above stated reasons are the core of why you have failed. Not due to me or my actions, or the actions of the multitude of pilots that left you or are now arrayed against you. And theres Gab, hes right on time ready to sew his seeds of dislike. Youll always be around Gab, trying to convince people not to come down and work with me. Alot of what you say is very unrealistic. You are the main person who spoiled it for everyone else. You dont seem to understand that if we dont share the same ideals of course we are going to clash, argue and fight. You are NBSI to the core, I am NRDS to the core. The fact you still even bother posting here says alot about you. Is it because you are jealous Gab? I think it is. You dont want to see me get attention, you dont want me to succeed in helping folk to 0.0. Youll never admit you made the wrong call with Pathogen, and the fact is I never did anything bad to you. You didnt understand what I wanted the venture to become NRDS simply because you yourself were a low sec can flipper and simply did not care about the plight of 0.0 population or NRDS. Stop trying to use the fact that I made a couple of mistakes a long time ago, man up and just accept that we have absolutley nothing in common, and I want nothing to do with you. Move on Gab, Let the hi-sec people decide for themselves what im about. When we do start another Hub Zero we will ensure that the people comming down are happy to be NRDS. Its appears everyone except for you and a couple of your buddies alts havent moved on. Fyi no one who was part of hub zero is arrayed against me. theyve all moved on, Gab, get on with your sys-k corp and have a good game, leave us alone, were seriously not interested in anything disparaging u have to say about me.
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2010.05.12 17:32:00 - [129] Hello Aaron. I just wanted to give you thumbs up for trying something unusual in Eve. Things don't always work out - in fact, they rarely do and they never go as planned.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.12 18:21:00 - [130] Edited by: Aaron on 12/05/2010 18:22:53 Thanks Andrea, most appreciated. Fyi Gab, im not a narcissist, im a realist. its real that hi sec dwellers never go into 0.0, and its real NBSI folk will gank them. Im simply trying to help change this. Realist: a person who tends to view or represent things as they really are. Source, Dictionary.com

Hanns Spree	Posted - 2010.05.12 19:43:00 - [131] Ummmm......
Mister Grumpy	Posted - 2010.05.12 19:46:00 - [132] What, exactly, is the point of this topic? It sounds like second graders bickering. Nothing really unusual for EVE forums, but isn't there a separate board for this crap?
Johnny Spacer School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.12 19:53:00 - [133] The point of this thread is for Aaron to be famous. He would also like to lead large fleets and destroy all NBSI pilots in Stain. Once he accomplishes this, everybody will be told they cannot shoot anybody. Everybody can rat in peace, with Aaron at the top, collecting all of the minerals and charging everybody 4xJita for T1 modules and ships. And they all lived happily ..... oh snap, Local-Spike just showed up and podded him again.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.13 04:40:00 - [134] Ok, im thinking out loud. Isnt anyone prepared to do anything about 0.0 population? Isnt it up to us to do somthing about it? suggestions, anyone?
Silent Knight	Posted - 2010.05.13 08:19:00 - [135] I believe something along these lines was tried before on a grander scale. Do an Eve-Search on Interstellar Starbase Syndicate / ISS alliance. Was an interesting idea, tbh. The thought of setting up outposts as places of commerce still has a place in my heart, a dream of sorts. Are there dreams of such things happening again? Yes. Can it be done? Yes. Can it be done in the current political & 0.0 climate? I donÆt believe so. To do it again (VERY brief list) youÆd need massive funding (IPO scale) & proper organization at minimum. A dream, but is a slightly more tangible one with the coming of PI (possible ease of supplying NPC pos items). As for your fascination with it all being NRDS, itÆs a tough row to hoe. Ask CVA and the other Providence holders about it, current & past. HavenÆt been out there in a bit, been busy & saw a few news flashes. YouÆve claimed in a previous thread that youÆve been doing your little song & dance in the NPC system for a few years now. Commendable for sticking it out, but you have to understand something. ItÆs easy to be NRDS when youÆre the only one who gets to make the shoot list. ItÆs easy to be NRDS when the enemy is fully incapable of keeping you from docking at the station or denying station services to you. ItÆs easy when you can clone jump back to empire for weeks & not have to worry if youÆll have sov when you return. To put simply, it is the path of least resistance since you are a one-man or few character operation. NRDS is passive & reactionary. In order to keep something, you must be willing to fight for it, to be proactive. That is the essence of NBSI to me. In order for your dream of a hub to come true, in my eyes, you must be able to make it worth fighting for. The idea & ideals above all else. From the posts IÆve read, I donÆt know if you have it in you. Personally, itÆs got to be a player outpost. The NPC stations are nice, but thereÆs no incentive to fight beyond a love of fighting. YouÆll probably have to be NBSI for a while anyways until you are stable, have a red list organized, and then you can try NRDS & see what happens. Or is it truly not possible anymore, and should be abandoned?
Major Trant Heroes.	Posted - 2010.05.13 12:10:00 - [136] My first experience of 0.0 was joining Aaron at Hub Zero and I have to say that generally speaking it was a good move for me. I learnt so much in the couple of months I spent there, most of all it removed the fear of 0.0, the fear of dying, the fear of being stranded with no way of getting out and it left me feeling that I've truely made a dint in experiencing the depth this game has to offer. My issue with this thread is with the blatent untruths that Aaron will tell to push anyone and everyone who will listen into following him into this venture. How does Aaron teach you to survive in 0.0? The website is woefully outdated and unused, with no survival instructions. There are no corp bulletins, introduction lessons, EMails about how to survice - so how do you learn? You learn by experiencing death and thinking about what just happened, realising how you could have avoided it or done things better. Aaron admires CVA but his NRDS stance is purely a PR thing to attract noobs and carebears. He does not fully understand it or know how to implement it properly and he personally doesn't even follow it. Aaron is inconsistent in his objectives, fails to communicate them and assumes everyone is somehow fully aware and in agreement with him - you only need to look at this thread where he says early on that he won't be doing this for another 18 months, but now that seems forgotten. Yet it never occurs to him that a statement of clarification is needed. Remember that 'Rage Quit' moment you had a couple of months ago Aaron, when you claimed you were quitting Eve. You announced this on the forums, but didn't bother telling any of us, then just went back to normal service and was surprised, even irritated that people were still concerned 4 days later. It shouldn't matter to Aaron what the trolls or his enemies make of any U-Turn, the important people should be the ones still wanting to follow him or his ideals. But the reality is that Hub Zero's only true success is in giving Aaron forum notoriety and embellishing that has become Aaron's main aim in Eve. Why the emphasis on Noobs and Carebears? Cause they are the only ones who won't immediately recognise Aaron as the clueless player he is. I am astounded by how a player with so many accounts and who has been in the game since the beginning, knows so little about Eve. So he will tell you that he is good at PvP and hold up the odd success that he achieves while hoping his enemies won't stoop as low to show the losses he suffered. He will point out the Battleclinic record of enemies like AoV while knowing that they don't post their kills on that KB. He will say that he rats regularly in Hub Zero, when the reality is that he will kill a few rats there at off peak times, but generally speaking it is a death trap to attempt it most of the time. He will claim a small but loyal following of pilots still there, implying that operations are ongoing, but the reality is there are a few solo PvP orientated players with multiple accounts willing to log one on in system and largely do nothing else but make a show of being part of an active corp. I joined Hub Zero at a time of relative peace and it was possible to undock and rat a bit before dying and learning from my mistakes. But right now, all a noob can do in Hub Zero is stay in station - and why? Where did all the new Reds come from that is camping the system 23/7? They are former allies of Aaron that came to live in the system, but wouldn't acknowledge him as the leader. So he decided to drive them out instead. He operates a partisan, almost permanently cloaked up, smack talking, spoiling, bore people to death style of PvP. It doesn't occur to him that a noob or carebear with a single account couldn't possible florish in such an environment, yet still he seeks them out to follow him.
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.13 13:37:00 - [137] I am still in Aaron's corp and I am his target type of player, I did not run fleets in FW for example. All I did was mine with an industrial corp and had the pleasure of a couple of war dec's. I enjoyed those war decÆs, so wanted to try something else. I did not want to join a major alliance, I could have through contacts in one of my corps, I wanted to do my own thing. To be blunt Hub Zero offered me that. I joined just after Major Trant and it was Major Trants posts that inspired me to make the jump. I was there when the AOV issue first started, I also saw some of the conflicts that had arisen, most of which were caused by disagreements at inappropriate times, like the fleet op into the core of Stain space which I thankfully was not part of. I decided to do my bit and started watching gates and report into the Hub channel, but by that time the damage caused by the conflict with AOV had started. Yes he can be inconsistent, yes he can at times let his emotions rule his head and he can be sensitive especially to people questioning him in public, many people are, but on the other hand I have been upfront with him from the start, I have seen a very generous helpful person with his heart in the right place. I do not think he is clueless, I recognise that his losses in PvP are down to the overwhelming numbers he has faced in UF-KKH, I have worked under his fleet command and I have to say he is pretty good, though he takes more risks then I would, but that is perhaps born of his location and overwhelming odds. He does not hide behind not showing his losses, his losses are due to the harsh environment he operates in and the impact of blobs, also people should note that in ISK terms he did lose a carrier in UF. I am not a multiple character type of player, I have one account, I rat and though I admit it is very hard at the moment it is doable, I have listened to what Aaron has said and followed his advice, my losses are down to my own mistakes. Last night we did nothing, but the previous night we were there in strength and took out an enemy ship and caused them to run away. I do not at this time blame Aaron for AOV, I think he acted rashly twice which was jumped on with glee by AOV, I think AOV have just found a very convenient excuse to justify moving in on this system, they have decided to drive Aaron out, it is because they can, nothing else really matters, and we will continue to fight them because we must. So while AOV are here, then people like me will find it very difficult, but before people read this and think it is not possible, watch what happens around 16:30 to 20:00 GMT when we have most people online and judge us then.
Lee Scratch	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:07:00 - [138] Originally by: Aaron Ive actually requested this thread be closed/ Did CCP respond with, 'We will not be closing this thread as you will only start a new one in a couple of days time'
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:27:00 - [139] This thread is now obviously just brute force attention whoring from Aaron. And ignoring it doesnt help because he keeps bumping it. So if you must do this Aaron be clever instead of boring. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:33:00 - [140] Major Trant, you just dont understand how it goes. and tbh im very happy you left. my issues with you were as follows. - you shouted and spoke rudley to me smack bang in the middle of fleet ops. fyi it is impossible to have a full blown conversation with you about tactics when im trying to command a fleet. Why not wait till the op is over and then convo me? - You have no understanding of chain of command. - Your tactical knowledge is poor, and you have lots of difficulty reading situatons. Your opinion of me is very silly, my battleclinic stats arnt great, I'd say they seem about right. Ive played as a solo player for some years. atm ive lost 16 billion and destroyed about 11 billion. id say this is ok considering that most of the time im outnumbered with odds of 10 to 1 or worse. You are very naive Major, AOV has used you and you still refuse to see it. Your an impossible person major lots of the guys in hub will testify to that. Major, if you want to be part of somthing you will seriously have to humble yourself and respect the chain of command. I found it impossible to ask you to do anything, simply asking you to put one of your alts in the next system along was too much to ask. You didnt seem to understand that our enemies waited on the gate in the other system while their scout lined up one of us, if you were covert in the next system you could have seen them gathering on the gate ready to jump in and informed the rest of the crew, but no you know better major, you felt it was better to wait on our side of the gate just so you could provide a few bonuses which about 4 of us had no problem providing. When you joined AOV you thought it would be an easy task to get rid of me, you were mistaken. You stayed docked up and you didnt rat because you knew i would have caught you. If im so bad at pvp why didnt you do anything you wanted in the system? Your a hard headed person Major, Id like to see if you could survive in 0.0 alone and fight against one of the best pvp alliances in the game. My battleclinic record is there for all to see, im quite proud of it tbh, it reflects the harsh situation im in.

JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:20:00 - [141] Remember this thread for the ****tiest thread awards at the end of the year
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:47:00 - [142] Major Trant's last post is spot on. Really it sounds a lot like my first post in the original threadnaught, which I made only after having read the thread itself and without having met any of the participants. That's why in spite of Errin's obnoxious, belligerent and assbaggish behavior I don't dislike him. He is what a casual reading of the original thread reveals him to be. Rather dim. Very emo. Very narcissistic. Obsessive. Unfit for command. But a decent enough chap otherwise. If you read the original thread and went down and got mad at Errin for being Errin (as advertised) ... Why?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:52:00 - [143] Edited by: Aaron on 13/05/2010 15:55:13 Major buddy, why couldn't you have looked at the bigger picture? All of your posts are focused completely on me. what about NRDS/NBSI issues? what about the topic of populating NPC 0.0? I tried very hard to work with you. I blatantly said to you that I had no problem in people telling me im wrong but it had to be done in an appropriate forum, and at an appropriate time. I always expressed to you that im happy to implement most ideas from anyone after we've all talked about them and followed them to their logical conclusion. I just feel you were a bit unfair, it would have been reasonable for you to express your concerns then give me a chance to address your concerns rather than just complaining and leaving us quickly. Im not saying im 100% perfect I know im far from it. all we can do in life is try our best. EDIT: just remember the venture was about populating 0.0, I feel lots of you have forgotten this.
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:56:00 - [144] Words from a person who spent about a week in UF, you insulted various people and then threw a huge sulk because you had been banned for a day form the Hub channel including doing an incredible sulk with Celes. If your trying to come over as a voice of reason, you fail, big time... Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Major Trant's last post is spot on. Really it sounds a lot like my first post in the original threadnaught, which I made only after having read the thread itself and without having met any of the participants. That's why in spite of Errin's obnoxious, belligerent and assbaggish behavior I don't dislike him. He is what a casual reading of the original thread reveals him to be. Rather dim. Very emo. Very narcissistic. Obsessive. Unfit for command. But a decent enough chap otherwise. If you read the original thread and went down and got mad at Errin for being Errin (as advertised) ... Why?
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:37:00 - [145] Originally by: Dracvlad Words from a person who spent about a week in UF, you insulted various people and then threw a huge sulk because you had been banned for a day form the Hub channel including doing an incredible sulk with Celes. If your trying to come over as a voice of reason, you fail, big time... The deal was that people should come down to Hub because Errin was no longer in charge and there was a steady hand at the helm. I came down. The deal was broken. I left. If you want to see a sulk in that, that's fine. A sulk to me is when you do the 'I'm quitting' to get some attention and then you don't quit. Kinda like Errin does every couple of months.
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:48:00 - [146] Sulk, I have never said I am quitting, you must be confused, you were confused enough to tell Celes that you would no longer talk to him following your temporary ban from the Hub channel, so I think that counts as more of a sulk then anything I have seen. Your not a serious or reliable witness to any of this, you spend about one week in Hub Zero annoy most of the Hub people, refuse to talk to Celes because you were banned for a day for smack talking and yet your still giving it the mouth when you have nothing to do with all this, get a life!!! Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Dracvlad Words from a person who spent about a week in UF, you insulted various people and then threw a huge sulk because you had been banned for a day form the Hub channel including doing an incredible sulk with Celes. If your trying to come over as a voice of reason, you fail, big time... The deal was that people should come down to Hub because Errin was no longer in charge and there was a steady hand at the helm. I came down. The deal was broken. I left. If you want to see a sulk in that, that's fine. A sulk to me is when you do the 'I'm quitting' to get some attention and then you don't quit. Kinda like Errin does every couple of months.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:10:00 - [147] Originally by: Dracvlad Sulk, I have never said I am quitting, you must be confused, you were confused enough to tell Celes that you would no longer talk to him following your temporary ban from the Hub channel, so I think that counts as more of a sulk then anything I have seen. Your not a serious or reliable witness to any of this, you spend about one week in Hub Zero annoy most of the Hub people, refuse to talk to Celes because you were banned for a day for smack talking and yet your still giving it the mouth when you have nothing to do with all this, get a life!!! Re confusion: You seem to have confused the universal 'you' (i.e. 'one') with me making a claim about you personally. I hope you are now less confused. Re not speaking to Celes: I told Celes no such thing. In fact I told him to look me up if he did another project without Errin. I went down on the precondition that Errin would not hold a leadership role. That precondition was violated. I left. Shrug.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:19:00 - [148] I thought it was an AA meeting for a second
Major Trant Heroes.	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:22:00 - [149] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Major Trant My first experience of 0.0 was joining Aaron at Hub Zero and I have to say that generally speaking it was a good move for me. I learnt so much in the couple of months I spent there, most of all it removed the fear of 0.0, the fear of dying, the fear of being stranded with no way of getting out and it left me feeling that I've truely made a dint in experiencing the depth this game has to offer. Remember who helped you do this Major, if anything you should at least respect that and try to post constructively. Don't act like what I did to help you didn't mean anything because it did. Seriously buddy you need to check yourself, I remember when you tried to lie to my friends saying i was gonna attack them, i dont care if anyone reading this believes me. You and I know the truth Major. I do remember Aaron and the whole point of that paragraph was to show respect where due. I am glad I choose to come to HZ and meet you Aaron and my game is richer for the experience. I expected having read the forum, that you would be difficult to get along with. However, I also assumed that I could learn a lot PvP wise from you, that you would really know your 0.0 stuff and as a near complete noob to 0.0 I would be able to suck in any personal issues in the interests of that learning. I did learn a lot, but not from you, instead by observation, experimenting and analysis. I don't rate your fleet command skills, but have never underestimated your personal SP or your determination. I made the move to AoV before hostilities broke out, although you have always acted as if I jumped ship after and betrayed you in some manner. When hostilities did break out I told LogiCFX that you would never be driven out, kill him repeatidly was possible even deserved, but don't make the war about driving him (personally) out cause that objective would fail. What I do find odd is your inability to grasp that I might have some PvP skills of my own. I don't doubt that in a straight 1 v 1 in similar ships you would wipe my ass, me being only 7 months old. However, what has been the outcome of our battles so far? It was me that collected the half Billion isk bounty for being the first AoV member to pod you and I've killed you twice more since then and not just sneaked on the bottom of the KM either. The Manticore kill would have been a solo kill, but I actually stopped firing to let the others reach us and get on the KM. Whilst on the otherhand despite repeated attempts, you have failed to kill me to date. Yet you still talk about me as naive with no clue about 0.0 warfare. You never stop learning about PvP, the difference is I know that and adapt my game accordingly. However, I'll never forget the day you told me "Look! I have been playing EVE for seven years. I AM THE BEST PVPER HERE. How can you know anything after just 3 months or whatever." ...and seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "you tried to lie to my friends saying i was gonna attack them".
Tom Parker	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:26:00 - [150] Greetings. Interesting topic. Allow me to comment. ;) First off, as much as i¦ve always personally adored the idea of a free-for-all "Hub Zero", a potentially safe island deep inside a vast ocean, filled with complex politics and all kinds of hostilities - sadly, it all was bound to fail from the beginning. The reasons have probably been stated a hundred times arleady, but let me rephrase it once more in a simple, tight package. All of the infighting/personal vendettas/etc. aside, and in spite of its venerable concept, Hub Z¦s style of execution alone doomed it to never escape its state as a fragile, unstable prototype of a bog standard zero-sec alliance, like theres too many (and alot more powerful) around already. Or to put it differently: Was it really ever more than Curatores Veritalis "reloaded", just without any of the necessary substance, manpower, discipline or resources to sustain it in a neighbourhood filled to the brim with bored, oversupplied, trigger-happy cowboys and their assortment of expensive, polished painbringers, aching for an easy prey? Do not get me wrong. Personally, I would very much like to see the concept of "NRDS" succeed and survive. But like anything that is ultimatively competitive to the rest of its environment, it needs to be defended, its flag raised and kept there with force - or maybe skilled diplomacy. ;) But despite all that, it may also very well repeat the sad fate of CVA once more. Therefore, in my humble opinion, with the overwhelming amount of competition against it, such a thing as "Hub Zero" simply cannot practically exist - at least not in its former state, with defended static assets such as Outposts, POSes, and/or defined borders. But are those really needed? I dare to say, not really. Nothing stops a couple of determined individuals from setting "blue" standings to each other, and simply going roaming for a while - mobile and as stealthy as possible, using carriers or transport ships as their suppliers, enabling them with the potential of doing pretty much whatever they desire. While it may not quite rival the glory, comfort and coolness that was project "Hub Z", such a concept would be - if not anyting else - alot easier to maintain, break up, or even reform. My two-and-a-half cents.

Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:56:00 - [151] Celes told me that you refused to talk to him following this incident, I trust Celes to say it as it was. I think that said everything about you, your just not credible... Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Dracvlad Sulk, I have never said I am quitting, you must be confused, you were confused enough to tell Celes that you would no longer talk to him following your temporary ban from the Hub channel, so I think that counts as more of a sulk then anything I have seen. Your not a serious or reliable witness to any of this, you spend about one week in Hub Zero annoy most of the Hub people, refuse to talk to Celes because you were banned for a day for smack talking and yet your still giving it the mouth when you have nothing to do with all this, get a life!!! Re confusion: You seem to have confused the universal 'you' (i.e. 'one') with me making a claim about you personally. I hope you are now less confused. Re not speaking to Celes: I told Celes no such thing. In fact I told him to look me up if he did another project without Errin. I went down on the precondition that Errin would not hold a leadership role. That precondition was violated. I left. Shrug.
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:05:00 - [152] I much prefer sensible thought out posts like Tom Parkers. You idea is what Celes does, the issue is that newish players have no chance of doing that, I certainly would not have been able to do that unless I had met a Celes and got their trust. Though Celes did develop new players that way. Or a network of NPC stations used by a group in that way, which can be activated based on the situation. Gets too hot then move the Hub, rinse and repeat... Originally by: Tom Parker Greetings. Interesting topic. Allow me to comment. ;) First off, as much as i¦ve always personally adored the idea of a free-for-all "Hub Zero", a potentially safe island deep inside a vast ocean, filled with complex politics and all kinds of hostilities - sadly, it all was bound to fail from the beginning. The reasons have probably been stated a hundred times arleady, but let me rephrase it once more in a simple, tight package. All of the infighting/personal vendettas/etc. aside, and in spite of its venerable concept, Hub Z¦s style of execution alone doomed it to never escape its state as a fragile, unstable prototype of a bog standard zero-sec alliance, like theres too many (and alot more powerful) around already. Or to put it differently: Was it really ever more than Curatores Veritalis "reloaded", just without any of the necessary substance, manpower, discipline or resources to sustain it in a neighbourhood filled to the brim with bored, oversupplied, trigger-happy cowboys and their assortment of expensive, polished painbringers, aching for an easy prey? Do not get me wrong. Personally, I would very much like to see the concept of "NRDS" succeed and survive. But like anything that is ultimatively competitive to the rest of its environment, it needs to be defended, its flag raised and kept there with force - or maybe skilled diplomacy. ;) But despite all that, it may also very well repeat the sad fate of CVA once more. Therefore, in my humble opinion, with the overwhelming amount of competition against it, such a thing as "Hub Zero" simply cannot practically exist - at least not in its former state, with defended static assets such as Outposts, POSes, and/or defined borders. But are those really needed? I dare to say, not really. Nothing stops a couple of determined individuals from setting "blue" standings to each other, and simply going roaming for a while - mobile and as stealthy as possible, using carriers or transport ships as their suppliers, enabling them with the potential of doing pretty much whatever they desire. While it may not quite rival the glory, comfort and coolness that was project "Hub Z", such a concept would be - if not anyting else - alot easier to maintain, break up, or even reform. My two-and-a-half cents.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:22:00 - [153] Edited by: Aaron on 13/05/2010 18:23:12 Originally by: Major Trant Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Major Trant My first experience of 0.0 was joining Aaron at Hub Zero and I have to say that generally speaking it was a good move for me. I learnt so much in the couple of months I spent there, most of all it removed the fear of 0.0, the fear of dying, the fear of being stranded with no way of getting out and it left me feeling that I've truely made a dint in experiencing the depth this game has to offer. Remember who helped you do this Major, if anything you should at least respect that and try to post constructively. Don't act like what I did to help you didn't mean anything because it did. Seriously buddy you need to check yourself, I remember when you tried to lie to my friends saying i was gonna attack them, i dont care if anyone reading this believes me. You and I know the truth Major. Stuff. Like i said, I did respect the way you rolled up your sleeves and got stuck in to the jobs that no one else wanted to do. What's the big deal with you gloating about a manticore kill you got on me? again I was outnumbered 3 to 1 I hadn't lined myself up properly I made a mistake, accepted the loss and moved on. I can tell you, making mistakes is not only specific to Aaron. Its something we all go through. I've also noted that you don't mention the other Stealthbomber kills I got, what about when I killed opiates dramiel with one bomb? what about the numerous haulers i've killed with bombs that are clearly presented on my battleclinic record? Does this not tell you that I know what I'm doing? If I don't know what im doing how could I have possibly survived in such a hostile place against very good pvp'ers like Stain Empire?
fatherted1989 Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:03:00 - [154] aaahhhhhh make it go away
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:12:00 - [155] CCP: Please move this to OOMME (Out of My Mind Experience) kthksbai
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.14 02:34:00 - [156] If Aaron had boobies we would have all seen them by now. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 03:43:00 - [157] Trant, I'm not a big baby and I know that 0.0 population is something that interests you. If you were to come back here I would be happy to set you blue. Were not always going to agree on things and we both have to try and look at the bigger picture. its silly all this arguing. In working together we are stronger and in a better position to achieve goals. All im saying is we form some policies that we agree on and we live by them. you should think about having a voice convo with dracvlad and I, what do you think?
Major Trant Heroes.	Posted - 2010.05.14 13:54:00 - [158] Camera pans in on Aaron standing near the top of some mountains looking ambitiously outward pondering the future. This time of year is very mild on uf-kkh III, A single thought keeps repeating in his mind, he slowly gets onto his knees ignoring the pain from the rocky ground, He looks up at the sky and shouts "WHY ME!!??" Rain Starts to fall. Aaron's knees start to hurt, still ignoring the pain from the rocky mountainous terrain. The rain starts to subside. Clouds start to disperse and a stream of sunlight forces Aaron to shield his eyes. Aaron pulled himself to his feet which brought another stabbing pain to his right knee, a small stone had embedded itself, he flicked it away noting with irritation that it had made a small hole in his trousers and drawn blood, not a lot, but he mopped at it and spread it further across his trousers. "Damn it", these were the only decent pair of trousers he had left and he'd washed them a week ago. He forced the pain from his mind and went back to the scene at hand. Total devastation was before him, the fields of crops that last Autumn had looked so promising, had gone unharvested, what hadn't been burnt by AoV had withered and died during the winter. In the center of the valley, just a pile of rubble marked the once grand house, the lake was contaminated with wreakage and raw sewerage and off to his right was a pile of corpses belonging to the latest batch of noobs he had enticed down here. Fck them, there is more where they came from. In the distance a lonely figure appeared "What? Trant!" Trant, once a promising student of Aaron, but now just another traitor. Aaron's face hardened, he clutched for his knife, this time he would kill him. No wait! Let him come to me. Then I'll kill him. No wait! I'll see what he has to say first. Then I'll kill him. Unless he is here to apologise. Fck it, I'm still going to kill him. Trant had some distance to cover and he picked his way carefully, checking for traps. Aaron started to feel a bit stupid, trying to maintain the look of dignified disinterest was OK for a couple of minutes, but it was hard to keep up for like 20 minutes. Eventually, Trant arrived but he stopped a good 10 foot away from Aaron, wary of his prowess with a knife. "Arron!" "Trant!" "You wanted to speak to me? You said on the forums" "The for... I mean yes" - damn that had only been for the benifit of the other readers. "I'm not sure what good this will do, but I came, if just to ask why you hate me so, all I did was tell it the way it was" "WHY DO I HATE YOU? WHY DO I HATE YOU" Aaron repeating while desperatly trying to think of an answer. "You hurt your knee?" "It's nothing! Why do I hate you? Look around" He swung his right arm out "All this could have been..." He realised he was indicating the pile of noob corpses, bad example, he turned to the left with a more pleasing view and swung out his left arm "All this could have been yours, but oh no..." And in that moment, Trant leaped forward, a glint of steel in his hand. But Aaron was too quick, he jumped high, did a double back flip and landed like a cat, 6 foot from where he had started while making a noise like Bruce Lee. "Wooooooaaaahhhhyyaaa" "You think I'd fall for that?" Aaron snarled. Then he noticed something odd. There was blood splashed across Trant's shirt, his knife hand was empty and at that moment he first became aware of a growing pain in his chest, even worse than the knee. He looked down and saw the handle of Trants knife protruding from his chest. He clutched at the knife, but weakness overcame him, his legs folded beneth him, bringing a little yelp of pain from his lips as his damaged knee touched down. "But...How...You are just a noob!" Trant stepped forward and took hold of the knife handle "It's very simple Aaron, you were never the master, you're just an old man full of himself". He twisted the knife and pulled it away. Aaron's last memory was of the ground rushing up towards his face.
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:02:00 - [159] Is this a roleplay thread now? Can I play too?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:19:00 - [160] Ok Trant, it appears there are still some trust issues, It would be wrong of me to try and kill you, I would like to make a big effort to let go of the past and move on. perhaps its too soon. I wish you all the best in the future. Just a thought, I do feel that you and Dracvlad have allot in common, Celes and Dracvlad have helped me to realise certain things. Maybe to an extent we all have to accept this is a difficult task, were up against an attitude that's existed in eve since it began. All I can say is I will leave the door open for you guys, Celes, Major. maybe we could at least have a chat along with dracvlad whenever you're ready.

Tamara Kit Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:37:00 - [161] Originally by: Ghoest If Aaron had boobies we would have all seen them by now. Ghoest just won the thread. I'm still lolling.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:40:00 - [162] Trant, that's the first EVE fiction I've ever enjoyed. 8/10 Originally by: Aaron Just a thought, I do feel that you and Dracvlad have allot in common, Dude, don't insult someone when you're trying to extend an olive branch.
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:55:00 - [163] Next thing you will be trying to give advice on how to make friends and influence people, lol..., epic fail Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Trant, that's the first EVE fiction I've ever enjoyed. 8/10 Originally by: Aaron Just a thought, I do feel that you and Dracvlad have allot in common, Dude, don't insult someone when you're trying to extend an olive branch.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.14 15:24:00 - [164] Trant I'm trying to figure out what you and the count have in common. Will your next killmail be your first too? Do you blather on without ever saying anything clever too? Are you broke with very limited ISK-making opportunities too? Do you trash your alliance leader behind his back too?
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.14 15:46:00 - [165] Is that the best you can do? lol Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Trant I'm trying to figure out what you and the count have in common. Will your next killmail be your first too? Do you blather on without ever saying anything clever too? Are you broke with very limited ISK-making opportunities too? Do you trash your alliance leader behind his back too?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 17:47:00 - [166] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Trant, that's the first EVE fiction I've ever enjoyed. 8/10 Originally by: Aaron Just a thought, I do feel that you and Dracvlad have allot in common, Dude, don't insult someone when you're trying to extend an olive branch. LOL, i don't think you've spoken to Major or dracvlad, both of them have dabbled in database design like myself so we have similar mindsets. When u comming down Ferguson? lets forget all this pointless arguing and move on.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 18:10:00 - [167] Edited by: Aaron on 14/05/2010 18:17:04 Originally by: Major Trant "I'm not sure what good this will do, but I came, if just to ask why you hate me so, all I did was tell it the way it was" If you can level with me for a moment, I don't hate you its just that we clash because we've both got our ways. If we can simply agree to have a set process for things I really cant see why we couldn't get along. Im proposing we do the following; 1, We remain calm during fleet ops and endeavour to achieve the objective of the FC at the time. 2, If we have concerns about decisions made during combat ops we discuss them in a private forum with a few others. 3, The FC that others have shown concern about is given a chance to implement suggestions or address the issues some may have about his FC'ing. 4, if the FC hasn't addressed issues or suggestions haven't implemented then the FC will have to explain why in another private forum. The ultimate goal here is to deal with issues in an orderly manner so that all parties concerned feel they are being listened to. For the sake of progress I feel we should work together and agree to stuff like this EDIT: This is not a set up Trant this is the real deal. If I did try to kill you at this stage id risk alienating a few others such as celes and dracvlad.
Echhan	Posted - 2010.05.14 20:27:00 - [168] Originally by: Von Mukesh Hi, my name is Aaron and I want to take you hostage for about 10 minutes. Thanks !!! It took you ten minutes to read that? :-)
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:29:00 - [169] Originally by: Aaron Im proposing we do the following; Various stuff indicating Errin still doesn't get it. Here's a better proposal: Errin apologizes to AoV for shooting them when they were blue. Errin and his alts leave UF-K for a full month. Errin agrees to not FC for 6 months and to take a few Agony classes before he does any FCing. Whoever's left makes peace with AoV and together they build Hub Zero. Status within Errin's alliance is disregarded for the purposes of Hub pecking order (i.e. noob diplomat is still noob.) Errin asks permission to return to Hub Zero. He is given permission on the condition that he refrain from chatting in local and is forbidden to shoot blues. Any violation of which will result in EVERYONE setting him red. Over time Errin repairs his reputation and shows he can be trusted and perhaps eventually is allowed to FC again or even in the distant future, act in a leadership role.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:35:00 - [170] I write pretty good EVE fiction too, eh?

Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.14 22:59:00 - [171] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson I write pretty good EVE fiction too, eh? haha, no u cant mines better
MrBinary Minmatar Binary Systems	Posted - 2010.05.14 23:56:00 - [172] Heya Aaron, Don't know you, but I extend greetings. I concur with another who replied. I read your post and I enjoyed it on several levels. First, it was a very nice change of pace from the usual whine/nerf/flamebait/trollbait. Second, I found it interesting on an in-character blog regarding how you live in the game. Of particular, some of your personal set-backs, achievements and future goals. I love this game for how it allows you to play YOUR game how YOU want to play it. You are, we all are creating your own script, and I love it! Thanks again, and best of luck in your future endevours. Kind regards, MrB "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.15 01:34:00 - [173] MrBinary, meet MrBipolar. MrBipolar, MrBinary.
Demolishar United Aggression	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:34:00 - [174] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Aaron Im proposing we do the following; Various stuff indicating Errin still doesn't get it. Here's a better proposal: Errin apologizes to AoV for shooting them when they were blue. Errin and his alts leave UF-K for a full month. Errin agrees to not FC for 6 months and to take a few Agony classes before he does any FCing. Whoever's left makes peace with AoV and together they build Hub Zero. Status within Errin's alliance is disregarded for the purposes of Hub pecking order (i.e. noob diplomat is still noob.) Errin asks permission to return to Hub Zero. He is given permission on the condition that he refrain from chatting in local and is forbidden to shoot blues. Any violation of which will result in EVERYONE setting him red. Over time Errin repairs his reputation and shows he can be trusted and perhaps eventually is allowed to FC again or even in the distant future, act in a leadership role. This sounds reasonable
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.05.15 02:39:00 - [175] Originally by: Demolishar Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Aaron Im proposing we do the following; Various stuff indicating Errin still doesn't get it. Here's a better proposal: Errin apologizes to AoV for shooting them when they were blue. Errin and his alts leave UF-K for a full month. Errin agrees to not FC for 6 months and to take a few Agony classes before he does any FCing. Whoever's left makes peace with AoV and together they build Hub Zero. Status within Errin's alliance is disregarded for the purposes of Hub pecking order (i.e. noob diplomat is still noob.) Errin asks permission to return to Hub Zero. He is given permission on the condition that he refrain from chatting in local and is forbidden to shoot blues. Any violation of which will result in EVERYONE setting him red. Over time Errin repairs his reputation and shows he can be trusted and perhaps eventually is allowed to FC again or even in the distant future, act in a leadership role. This sounds reasonable I know. Because AOV did nothing wrong and this is all Aaron's fault, amirite? Also, why aren't you online?
Dracvlad	Posted - 2010.05.15 10:36:00 - [176] This is why you are a complete **, first of all you have nothing to do with this place apart from coming down for a brief period where you threw your toys around a bit before leaving, even managing to act all snotty with Celes. And there in all your arrogance and stupidity you start laying out a proposal that you cannot enforce, assist or even develop because you are a nothing with no links to anyone apart from being a forum warrior. Man what a waste of space... Keep posting you really do make me laugh, being insulted by someone like you gives me a buzz, your priceless!!!! Originally by:** AkJon Ferguson Originally by: Aaron Im proposing we do the following; Various stuff indicating Errin still doesn't get it. Here's a better proposal: Errin apologizes to AoV for shooting them when they were blue. Errin and his alts leave UF-K for a full month. Errin agrees to not FC for 6 months and to take a few Agony classes before he does any FCing. Whoever's left makes peace with AoV and together they build Hub Zero. Status within Errin's alliance is disregarded for the purposes of Hub pecking order (i.e. noob diplomat is still noob.) Errin asks permission to return to Hub Zero. He is given permission on the condition that he refrain from chatting in local and is forbidden to shoot blues. Any violation of which will result in EVERYONE setting him red. Over time Errin repairs his reputation and shows he can be trusted and perhaps eventually is allowed to FC again or even in the distant future, act in a leadership role.
AkJon Ferguson	Posted - 2010.05.15 15:11:00 - [177] A tad ironic being accused by a noob member of Eternal Ascension of being arrogant, stupid, laying out unenforceable proposals, and being a forum warrior, no?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.15 17:01:00 - [178] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson A tad ironic being accused by a noob member of Eternal Ascension of being arrogant, stupid, laying out unenforceable proposals, and being a forum warrior, no? LOL, I think its evident your not going to join us. Its a shame your so bitter about the way things went down. Maybe have a look at your antagonistic attitude and you will make some friends and have epic fun with them. Good luck in the future bud. o/
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 17:53:00 - [179] WTF is this thread?! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.05.16 04:29:00 - [180] Originally by: AkJon Ferguson A tad ironic being accused by a noob member of Eternal Ascension of being arrogant, stupid, laying out unenforceable proposals, and being a forum warrior, no? Don't accuse anyone in Eternal Ascension of being a noob, Mr. I'm-in-an-NPC-corp. First of all, you thought this whole thing was a fairly decent idea. Then you strolled your little ass into the Hub channel, and basically every hour you'd make some sort of cynical comment about Aaron's leadership/fleet commanding abilities. Aaron gave you warnings to stop, which you only laughed at and accused him of abusing his power over the Hub channel, and "you're not the leader anymore." You were promptly kicked out of the channel, and when you were let back in, your genius little self, not getting the message, kept badmouthing Aaron because he had kicked you out for a bit. You claim he had no right to do that because he isn't the leader? Wrong. He is the creator of Hub, and the owner of the channel. He didn't kick you out just because you were insulting him, it was because of your bad vibe in the channel. If you were speaking to anyone else, the exact same thing would have happened, so get rid of any illusions that he did it out of selfishness. But, anyway, now you seem to think all of E-A is crap because you have a personal grudge against Aaron because he kicked you out of a channel for being disrespectful, which is well within his rights seeing as how he had moderator abilities. What's the point of having moderator abilities if you're never allowed to use them? Pathetic argument. Although I'm almost certain this will get no response from you, and you will totally ignore it and continue to make cynical responses as you get the opertunity. I'm just telling you now that you would do your own E-reputation good by ****ing off and never posting on the forums again, because you make a total idiot of yourself when you do. TL;DR: STFU.

Cryptkiller Minmatar Ebola Allstars Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.16 06:52:00 - [181] Didn't you attention *****s get enough juice out of the first 3 threadnaughts? Really gotta keep this going?
Sabrina Starfire	Posted - 2010.05.16 09:05:00 - [182] You had me confused too, I might still be. When I read it fast the first time I thought maybe you were drunk and had posted a page of your diary or something and posted it in the wrong place. But after reading it more carefully I think you were not talking to people in general but to the people in the corps you mentiond. If so probably would have been better to post them the info ingame. Plus the title you chose made me initially think you were a new player. If this was the case maybe this post would be better off closed as I think people have had enough mileage out of this one.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.16 12:27:00 - [183] Edited by: Aaron on 16/05/2010 12:29:21 Edited by: Aaron on 16/05/2010 12:28:55 Edited by: Aaron on 16/05/2010 12:27:26 Originally by: Sabrina Starfire You had me confused too, I might still be. When I read it fast the first time I thought maybe you were drunk and had posted a page of your diary or something and posted it in the wrong place. But after reading it more carefully I think you were not talking to people in general but to the people in the corps you mentiond. If so probably would have been better to post them the info ingame. Plus the title you chose made me initially think you were a new player. If this was the case maybe this post would be better off closed as I think people have had enough mileage out of this one. Maybe this thread should be closed, maybe it shouldnt. The task of creating an NRDS economy in NPC 0.0 is very difficult. The duration of this thread pretty much depends on you, the eve online community. My Only real goal here is to promote the Hub Zero Concept. For those that dont know, Hub Zero is about creating a place in NPC 0.0 that is NRDS, the objective is to build an economy here and make it reasonably safe. The people involved dont need to be in the same corp/alliance, you will need to share intel and be concerned with the progression of Hub. At the moment people do have a desire to come down. I am simply doing some ratting and looting to provide cheap ships for the people comming down. Im sure many people agree that this game needs to change and the eve community need to do this for themselves, CCP cant do everything for us. Im open to any suggestion that doesnt include being NBSI. The truth is this venture will only work if the community respond. Try to look at it as a long term mission and an adventure, there are some very cool people here, we are very good at banter and its a great laugh being in the hub514 public channel. Lets try and make somthing of this and have epic fun doing it
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.16 14:42:00 - [184] Hi Aron I wanted to ask, what part do you currently have in the HUB concept? what makes you best suited for this role? What would happen should someone else come along, who can perform this task better, and have more popularity with the population down there, would you consider giving up your role? What financial benefits are there fro you personally?
Chuck Sands	Posted - 2010.05.16 19:39:00 - [185] 18 months, huh? You literally cannot survive without being the center of attention. I have watched your previous thread and at first thought it was some kind of act. But you seriously need professional help. I went from being genuinely interested in your little concept, to amazed at your arrogance, to amazed at your incompetence, to pitying your ignorance, to annoyed at your reappearance, to actually worried for your mental well being. All in the course of reading your forum posts. EVE is a strange game. It attracts strange people. That is one of the reasons why I love it so much. But seriously, look at your real life priorities. Read a book. Take a walk. Paint a picture. Sing a song. Make love to someone that means something to you. You can overcome your forum addiction and if you need help I will be there for you. If you want to talk about your problem contact me. But for your sake, don't do it in the forums. Good Luck.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.16 23:31:00 - [186] Originally by: Lightningshade What would happen should someone else come along, who can perform this task better, and have more popularity with the population down there, would you consider giving up your role? The short answer is no. Everyone interested in this should accept that I founded this venture and im going to play a big part in it. Id be happy to help implement ideas others have. Ultimately, this venture will grow beyond anyones control, In the infancy of this venture im pretty sure it needs to be NRDS and I need to help steer it that way. It would be nice to see a few 0.0 systems teaming with hi sec guys building an economy. Originally by: Lightningshade I wanted to ask, what part do you currently have in the HUB concept? Im an advisor, a hauler, a transporter, a tactician, a caretaker, a looter, a stratagist. Originally by: Lightningshade what makes you best suited for this role? My experience, im a pro-active person with an ability to see the bigger picture. Originally by: Lightningshade What financial benefits are there fro you personally? Being one of the only people in the area that has all T1 module and ship blueprint originals. Having a good market presence.
Celes Steele	Posted - 2010.05.17 00:05:00 - [187] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 16/05/2010 23:42:15 Originally by: Lightningshade What would happen should someone else come along, who can perform this task better, and have more popularity with the population down there, would you consider giving up your role? The short answer is no. Everyone interested in this should accept that I founded this venture and im going to play a big part in it. Id be happy to help implement ideas others have. Ultimately, this venture will grow beyond anyones control, In the infancy of this venture im pretty sure it needs to be NRDS and I need to help steer it that way. It would be nice to see a few 0.0 systems teaming with hi sec guys building an economy. And this is why I left and wont post in this or any future thread concerning this anymore. There are other inaccuracies in this thread I wont correct. I had an exit agreement so I am going to keep it. I wish everyone well
Abisinius	Posted - 2010.05.17 00:59:00 - [188] While I know nothing about this venture, or the people involved, I just wanted to post a warning for any new player that would be interested in joining. I read this topic and was interested, so I joined that hub channel only to be called a spy for being a new player, so I left it. It is kinda obvious that this guy Aaron doesn't actually want to allow any new people from highsec into his venture, and he is kinda paranoid as well. Have fun, just thought I should share this warning so other new players don't waste their time on this.
Roosterton	Posted - 2010.05.17 01:36:00 - [189] Edited by: Roosterton on 17/05/2010 01:41:52 Edited by: Roosterton on 17/05/2010 01:36:27 Originally by: Abisinius While I know nothing about this venture, or the people involved, I just wanted to post a warning for any new player that would be interested in joining. I read this topic and was interested, so I joined that hub channel only to be called a spy for being a new player, so I left it. It is kinda obvious that this guy Aaron doesn't actually want to allow any new people from highsec into his venture, and he is kinda paranoid as well. Have fun, just thought I should share this warning so other new players don't waste their time on this. ROFL. Sorry about that. The spy thing was a joke... Also, Aaron didn't call you a spy, it was a random troll in the channel. Don't take things too seriously, especially not things from random trolls. You're welcome to come down if you get your humour back
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.17 02:35:00 - [190] Originally by: Celes Steele Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 16/05/2010 23:42:15 Originally by: Lightningshade What would happen should someone else come along, who can perform this task better, and have more popularity with the population down there, would you consider giving up your role? The short answer is no. Everyone interested in this should accept that I founded this venture and im going to play a big part in it. Id be happy to help implement ideas others have. Ultimately, this venture will grow beyond anyones control, In the infancy of this venture im pretty sure it needs to be NRDS and I need to help steer it that way. It would be nice to see a few 0.0 systems teaming with hi sec guys building an economy. And this is why I left and wont post in this or any future thread concerning this anymore. There are other inaccuracies in this thread I wont correct. I had an exit agreement so I am going to keep it. I wish everyone well level with me for a moment Celes, why post that here? Your a well respected person in this venture and people value your opinion. you saying this creates problems and paints me in a bad light, youre very much aware of this. You can see clearly im trying to deal with things differently these days. You left without having a proper convo with me and telling me your problems, the peace that you worked to achieve was a fragile one, you must understand that you were dealing with 2 guys that are set in their ways, LogicFX and myself. It was really just a case of anyone burping in the wrong place and a war happening because of it. Ultimately it was my act of accidently bombing the gate that lead to this, AOV being quite rude to me and me responding pushed it further. The truth is Myself and AOV are responsible for starting the most recent fighting. I think its quite unfair that you seem to blame me for current events. I tried to avoid accidental aggro, did I not request lots of times that AOV and ourselves get into an intel channel so accidental aggro could be avoided? Celes, i think you needed to take some time to implement some of the stuff i felt needed doing instead of pandering to LogicFx because he "seems" more powerful. And you talk of inaccuracies in this thread? What could i be wrong or lying about? its simple, we still rat here, yes enemies are in the system, and they waste most of their time chasing our ratting ships all day. we ninja loot wrecks and build ships for the people who want to come down. its hard, its exciting and learning avoidance tactics is a good skill to have. Seriously Celes, I never expected you to post something like that here, im gobsmacked.

Dalv Fliteo Minmatar Not Another One Man Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.17 03:40:00 - [191] How many bottles of vodka did your mom have every day during her pregnancy period? Aaron ?
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.05.17 04:14:00 - [192] Get this, Celes says he left because I undermined his authority when dealing with Akjon Ferguson, LOL, Celes, you and Ferguson need to chill out and drink a bud
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.17 10:15:00 - [193] So - heres what I got from this last page Aron is versatile, but stuck in his ways Regardless of the state down there, he isn't prepared to bend to the will of the people, and allow someone else potentially better suited to take the drivers seat, so Aaron can concentrate on the things he excells at. I can't see this going very well tbh
Oburn Caldari von Dutch Enterprises G String University	Posted - 2010.05.17 11:41:00 - [194] Originally by: Aaron Ultimately it was my act of accidently bombing the gate that lead to this. This made me LOL. ----------------------------------------------------- If you melt dry ice can you swim in it and not get wet?
Murphy Turfer	Posted - 2010.05.17 12:44:00 - [195] This is a tired old joke with the same posts reposted over and over again with slightly different wording. Like one of those joke candles that reignites when you think you have blown it out. The story and venture should have ended with the original thread. For anyone considering a trip to hub zero. The only realistic conclusion that can be reached after several thousand posts have been written on the subject is that - THE CONCEPT DOES'NT WORK
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:07:00 - [196] Lock this trash please. Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Jacobs Gladedage	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:29:00 - [197] Edited by: Jacobs Gladedage on 17/05/2010 13:29:46 Are all these fools who're mudslinging completely uninformed about what hubzero was, or simply alts of angry trolls with butthurt territorial claims? :p I sure hope to see a new hubzero one day. NRDS is the only real small scale pvp you'll get these days.
Riedle Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.05.17 13:58:00 - [198] Originally by: Chuck Sands 18 months, huh? You literally cannot survive without being the center of attention. I have watched your previous thread and at first thought it was some kind of act. But you seriously need professional help. I went from being genuinely interested in your little concept, to amazed at your arrogance, to amazed at your incompetence, to pitying your ignorance, to annoyed at your reappearance, to actually worried for your mental well being. All in the course of reading your forum posts. EVE is a strange game. It attracts strange people. That is one of the reasons why I love it so much. But seriously, look at your real life priorities. Read a book. Take a walk. Paint a picture. Sing a song. Make love to someone that means something to you. You can overcome your forum addiction and if you need help I will be there for you. If you want to talk about your problem contact me. But for your sake, don't do it in the forums. Good Luck. This said it well. There are mental issues here.
Murphy Turfer	Posted - 2010.05.17 14:14:00 - [199] Originally by: Jacobs Gladedage Edited by: Jacobs Gladedage on 17/05/2010 13:29:46 Are all these fools who're mudslinging completely uninformed about what hubzero was, or simply alts of angry trolls with butthurt territorial claims? :p I sure hope to see a new hubzero one day. NRDS is the only real small scale pvp you'll get these days. LOL. Unless your territorial claim happened to be the single NPC system UF-KKH there is not much to be angry about.
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