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Xelios	Posted - 2004.12.07 22:41:00 - [151] Edited by: Xelios on 07/12/2004 22:47:17 Quote: CA came in equal numbers, and XETIC AND SA sat in their billion ISK safespot and talked smack. Sorry Lallante, I can deal with a lot of your forum warring but I can't let this one slide. "Equal numbers" is a joke. We sat at the POS because we had 6 battleships with us, 6. You had 25. You also had 25+ support ships, we had on the order of 20. 25 BS vs 6 is not equal numbers Lallante, even if you count the 2 Xetic BS that were afk inside their POS shield that's still not equal numbers. And even if you count the 10 Bships reinforcements that showed up in Keb after about 20 minutes of your sitting in HED that's still not equal numbers. And as for our engagement in U-Q later on, yes we did lose 5 BS. No we didn't kill as many of yours, because all of yours were camping the gate at 100+ km. We did however destroy almost every ship in your support fleet of 32 ships, and at the end of the fight your gatecamping fleet was forced to warp out. If you want to call the 2 BS kills more that you got a "win", even though you lost your entire support fleet and were forced to warp out of your own gate camp, then be my guest. Everyone else can judge that for themselves. Clarification over. Reply if you wish, I won't be. I have no interest in forum wars.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.12.07 22:41:00 - [152] Edited by: Xelios on 07/12/2004 22:47:17 Quote: CA came in equal numbers, and XETIC AND SA sat in their billion ISK safespot and talked smack. Sorry Lallante, I can deal with a lot of your forum warring but I can't let this one slide. "Equal numbers" is a joke. We sat at the POS because we had 6 battleships with us, 6. You had 25. You also had 25+ support ships, we had on the order of 20. 25 BS vs 6 is not equal numbers Lallante, even if you count the 2 Xetic BS that were afk inside their POS shield that's still not equal numbers. And even if you count the 10 Bships reinforcements that showed up in Keb after about 20 minutes of your sitting in HED that's still not equal numbers. And as for our engagement in U-Q later on, yes we did lose 5 BS. No we didn't kill as many of yours, because all of yours were camping the gate at 100+ km. We did however destroy almost every ship in your support fleet of 32 ships, and at the end of the fight your gatecamping fleet was forced to warp out. If you want to call the 2 BS kills more that you got a "win", even though you lost your entire support fleet and were forced to warp out of your own gate camp, then be my guest. Everyone else can judge that for themselves. Clarification over. Reply if you wish, I won't be. I have no interest in forum wars.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.12.08 02:47:00 - [153] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 06/12/2004 17:04:19 Still worth trying - even if it means all CA's PvPers have to sit in HED-GP for a few days... Think of the blob... Think of the children... wanna come watch HArdin I will even safe your a seat next to me, and i think i can get hold of a quafe white russian for us also So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.12.08 02:47:00 - [154] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 06/12/2004 17:04:19 Still worth trying - even if it means all CA's PvPers have to sit in HED-GP for a few days... Think of the blob... Think of the children... wanna come watch HArdin I will even safe your a seat next to me, and i think i can get hold of a quafe white russian for us also So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
DeMundus	Posted - 2004.12.08 18:20:00 - [155] yeah u guys probely needed a safe safespot now that the probes are out... good log wihe the safespotting
DeMundus	Posted - 2004.12.08 18:20:00 - [156] yeah u guys probely needed a safe safespot now that the probes are out... good log wihe the safespotting
Discodude	Posted - 2004.12.09 00:34:00 - [157] Edited by: Discodude on 09/12/2004 00:41:23 good luck on ca camping hed gate for a long time...You say that ca is such a huge alliance but if you haven't noticed SE and xetic individually have more corporations then ca and together I'm sure there would be no problem massing a force big enough to attack the ca blockaid...not to mention that no one not even ca members are patient enough to sit at a gate for 5 hours a day for 3+ days to get 5 or less kills each in total because the second the blockaid goes up the news would hit all alliance channels and would spread quickly so ppl would either stay away...or they'd be flying ships fast enought to warp out after jumping in. Also as someone befor me statied the catch region has been a war zone for a long time now and is no one back yard..controll of systems in the region change hands multiple times in a day. ----------------------------------------------- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his" General George Patton Jr.
Discodude	Posted - 2004.12.09 00:34:00 - [158] Edited by: Discodude on 09/12/2004 00:41:23 good luck on ca camping hed gate for a long time...You say that ca is such a huge alliance but if you haven't noticed SE and xetic individually have more corporations then ca and together I'm sure there would be no problem massing a force big enough to attack the ca blockaid...not to mention that no one not even ca members are patient enough to sit at a gate for 5 hours a day for 3+ days to get 5 or less kills each in total because the second the blockaid goes up the news would hit all alliance channels and would spread quickly so ppl would either stay away...or they'd be flying ships fast enought to warp out after jumping in. Also as someone befor me statied the catch region has been a war zone for a long time now and is no one back yard..controll of systems in the region change hands multiple times in a day. ----------------------------------------------- "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his" General George Patton Jr.
Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:14:00 - [159] Originally by: Discodude Edited by: Discodude on 09/12/2004 00:41:23 good luck on ca camping hed gate for a long time...You say that ca is such a huge alliance but if you haven't noticed SE and xetic individually have more corporations then ca and together I'm sure there would be no problem massing a force big enough to attack the ca blockaid...not to mention that no one not even ca members are patient enough to sit at a gate for 5 hours a day for 3+ days to get 5 or less kills each in total because the second the blockaid goes up the news would hit all alliance channels and would spread quickly so ppl would either stay away...or they'd be flying ships fast enought to warp out after jumping in. Also as someone befor me statied the catch region has been a war zone for a long time now and is no one back yard..controll of systems in the region change hands multiple times in a day. It is very true that CA has fewer corps and members than some other alliances. But what you are forgeting is the fact that CA is a PvP alliance and not a mining/production alliance thus they have an edge combat wise in numbers (every CA member I have met participates in PvP to some extent). I have yet to hear of a dedicated miner in CA, sure members mine once in a while to restock isk then they go back on out and have fun fighting. I am quite in agreement that SA/Xetic can amass a much larger blob if they wish, but how many of those pilots have little or no PvP experience. All in all it boils down to just a few key things in combat: experience, intelligence on the enemy, the ability to make snap decisions based on experience and intel, and the ability to catch your opponent off guard. Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Storm Mage	Posted - 2004.12.09 09:14:00 - [160] Originally by: Discodude Edited by: Discodude on 09/12/2004 00:41:23 good luck on ca camping hed gate for a long time...You say that ca is such a huge alliance but if you haven't noticed SE and xetic individually have more corporations then ca and together I'm sure there would be no problem massing a force big enough to attack the ca blockaid...not to mention that no one not even ca members are patient enough to sit at a gate for 5 hours a day for 3+ days to get 5 or less kills each in total because the second the blockaid goes up the news would hit all alliance channels and would spread quickly so ppl would either stay away...or they'd be flying ships fast enought to warp out after jumping in. Also as someone befor me statied the catch region has been a war zone for a long time now and is no one back yard..controll of systems in the region change hands multiple times in a day. It is very true that CA has fewer corps and members than some other alliances. But what you are forgeting is the fact that CA is a PvP alliance and not a mining/production alliance thus they have an edge combat wise in numbers (every CA member I have met participates in PvP to some extent). I have yet to hear of a dedicated miner in CA, sure members mine once in a while to restock isk then they go back on out and have fun fighting. I am quite in agreement that SA/Xetic can amass a much larger blob if they wish, but how many of those pilots have little or no PvP experience. All in all it boils down to just a few key things in combat: experience, intelligence on the enemy, the ability to make snap decisions based on experience and intel, and the ability to catch your opponent off guard. Let the lightning be your warning and the thunder your battlecry!
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 - [161] Xetic days of being a purely mining/trading allaince have past. Some of us fight all the time now ( I do ). I remember spending months in the Xetic asteroid gardens. But those days are gone.
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.09 10:38:00 - [162] Xetic days of being a purely mining/trading allaince have past. Some of us fight all the time now ( I do ). I remember spending months in the Xetic asteroid gardens. But those days are gone.
DeviLee	Posted - 2004.12.09 13:36:00 - [163] And it's a welcome change. Keep it up! You have lots of potential of becoming a very dangerous and military strong alliance. Just don't let your tachyons cool down My words are my own and do not represent the views of my corp.
DeviLee	Posted - 2004.12.09 13:36:00 - [164] And it's a welcome change. Keep it up! You have lots of potential of becoming a very dangerous and military strong alliance. Just don't let your tachyons cool down My words are my own and do not represent the views of my corp.
Awalance	Posted - 2004.12.09 15:04:00 - [165] Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:09:57 Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:08:02 Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:07:39 Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 07/12/2004 22:47:17 Quote: CA came in equal numbers, and XETIC AND SA sat in their billion ISK safespot and talked smack. Sorry Lallante, I can deal with a lot of your forum warring but I can't let this one slide. "Equal numbers" is a joke. We sat at the POS because we had 6 battleships with us, 6. You had 25. You also had 25+ support ships, we had on the order of 20. 25 BS vs 6 is not equal numbers Lallante, even if you count the 2 Xetic BS that were afk inside their POS shield that's still not equal numbers. And even if you count the 10 Bships reinforcements that showed up in Keb after about 20 minutes of your sitting in HED that's still not equal numbers. And as for our engagement in U-Q later on, yes we did lose 5 BS. No we didn't kill as many of yours, because all of yours were camping the gate at 100+ km. We did however destroy almost every ship in your support fleet of 32 ships, and at the end of the fight your gatecamping fleet was forced to warp out. If you want to call the 2 BS kills more that you got a "win", even though you lost your entire support fleet and were forced to warp out of your own gate camp, then be my guest. Everyone else can judge that for themselves. Clarification over. Reply if you wish, I won't be. I have no interest in forum wars. in 10 minutes we warp in back to the gate .....but you run in DSS ...so CA was in U-Q till the end . Battle for HED-GP is too far from ower ------------------------ after you die ,and all peoples who knows you die also ..its like you never exist
Awalance	Posted - 2004.12.09 15:04:00 - [166] Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:09:57 Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:08:02 Edited by: Awalance on 09/12/2004 15:07:39 Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 07/12/2004 22:47:17 Quote: CA came in equal numbers, and XETIC AND SA sat in their billion ISK safespot and talked smack. Sorry Lallante, I can deal with a lot of your forum warring but I can't let this one slide. "Equal numbers" is a joke. We sat at the POS because we had 6 battleships with us, 6. You had 25. You also had 25+ support ships, we had on the order of 20. 25 BS vs 6 is not equal numbers Lallante, even if you count the 2 Xetic BS that were afk inside their POS shield that's still not equal numbers. And even if you count the 10 Bships reinforcements that showed up in Keb after about 20 minutes of your sitting in HED that's still not equal numbers. And as for our engagement in U-Q later on, yes we did lose 5 BS. No we didn't kill as many of yours, because all of yours were camping the gate at 100+ km. We did however destroy almost every ship in your support fleet of 32 ships, and at the end of the fight your gatecamping fleet was forced to warp out. If you want to call the 2 BS kills more that you got a "win", even though you lost your entire support fleet and were forced to warp out of your own gate camp, then be my guest. Everyone else can judge that for themselves. Clarification over. Reply if you wish, I won't be. I have no interest in forum wars. in 10 minutes we warp in back to the gate .....but you run in DSS ...so CA was in U-Q till the end . Battle for HED-GP is too far from ower ------------------------ after you die ,and all peoples who knows you die also ..its like you never exist
Framlino	Posted - 2004.12.09 15:08:00 - [167] hmmm frig cost - 200k Cruiser cost - 5m BS cost - 90m This is why only BS kills count. However killing 45 frigs would equal a BS I suppose.....
Framlino	Posted - 2004.12.09 15:08:00 - [168] hmmm frig cost - 200k Cruiser cost - 5m BS cost - 90m This is why only BS kills count. However killing 45 frigs would equal a BS I suppose.....
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.09 16:18:00 - [169] Edited by: Nepereta on 09/12/2004 16:23:25 Lallante dear, we weren't sitting at our bisk safespot on :2004-12-08 23:03:00 where we? I personally racked up 11 kills yesterday. As stated before: 'Get Orf my land!'
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.09 16:18:00 - [170] Edited by: Nepereta on 09/12/2004 16:23:25 Lallante dear, we weren't sitting at our bisk safespot on :2004-12-08 23:03:00 where we? I personally racked up 11 kills yesterday. As stated before: 'Get Orf my land!'
Framlino	Posted - 2004.12.09 16:49:00 - [171] Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 09/12/2004 16:23:25 Lallante dear, we weren't sitting at our bisk safespot on :2004-12-08 23:03:00 where we? I personally racked up 11 kills yesterday. As stated before: 'Get Orf my land!' Well done, you are my hero Xetic are the Best
Framlino	Posted - 2004.12.09 16:49:00 - [172] Originally by: Nepereta Edited by: Nepereta on 09/12/2004 16:23:25 Lallante dear, we weren't sitting at our bisk safespot on :2004-12-08 23:03:00 where we? I personally racked up 11 kills yesterday. As stated before: 'Get Orf my land!' Well done, you are my hero Xetic are the Best
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2004.12.09 18:12:00 - [173] As I see it, what went on in HED or in U-Q doesnt matter. You win some you lose some. Xetic still has a POS in HED and can therfore claim the System. Utill CA can do something about that, all this talk is just a pathetic attempt to discredit the good work of the Xetic Federation. Good job Xetic ------------------- 01 011 011 0111..
R4d1o4ct1v3	Posted - 2004.12.09 18:12:00 - [174] As I see it, what went on in HED or in U-Q doesnt matter. You win some you lose some. Xetic still has a POS in HED and can therfore claim the System. Utill CA can do something about that, all this talk is just a pathetic attempt to discredit the good work of the Xetic Federation. Good job Xetic ------------------- 01 011 011 0111..
Xelios	Posted - 2004.12.10 07:05:00 - [175] Edited by: Xelios on 10/12/2004 07:20:01 Quote: in 10 minutes we warp in back to the gate .....but you run in DSS ...so CA was in U-Q till the end . We stayed at the gate for a good 20 minutes at least, cleaning up all the loot cans. Once that was done we started heading back to DSS, as it was getting quite late for a lot of our gang (being Europeans). As we were jumping out your fleet warped in again to try and pick off any stragglers. It's not like you warped your fleet back in and we all started running. We were already leaving when you decided to finally come back. The battle ended when you all warped out of your own gate camp. /edit just checked the gamelog from that day, we were there for 25 minutes after you guys warped out.
Xelios	Posted - 2004.12.10 07:05:00 - [176] Edited by: Xelios on 10/12/2004 07:20:01 Quote: in 10 minutes we warp in back to the gate .....but you run in DSS ...so CA was in U-Q till the end . We stayed at the gate for a good 20 minutes at least, cleaning up all the loot cans. Once that was done we started heading back to DSS, as it was getting quite late for a lot of our gang (being Europeans). As we were jumping out your fleet warped in again to try and pick off any stragglers. It's not like you warped your fleet back in and we all started running. We were already leaving when you decided to finally come back. The battle ended when you all warped out of your own gate camp. /edit just checked the gamelog from that day, we were there for 25 minutes after you guys warped out.
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.10 11:18:00 - [177] Originally by: Framlino hmmm frig cost - 200k Cruiser cost - 5m BS cost - 90m This is why only BS kills count. However killing 45 frigs would equal a BS I suppose..... I think we really should look at actual loss. For example downing an interceptor( or any T2 ship) is extremely expensive to replace because insurance really doesn't cut it. So when knocking out a support fleet you only really have to knockout a handfull of interceptors to equal the net loss of a single bs. Not to mention there are many DeathStar Battleship monstrousities with oddles of named on them.
Nepereta	Posted - 2004.12.10 11:18:00 - [178] Originally by: Framlino hmmm frig cost - 200k Cruiser cost - 5m BS cost - 90m This is why only BS kills count. However killing 45 frigs would equal a BS I suppose..... I think we really should look at actual loss. For example downing an interceptor( or any T2 ship) is extremely expensive to replace because insurance really doesn't cut it. So when knocking out a support fleet you only really have to knockout a handfull of interceptors to equal the net loss of a single bs. Not to mention there are many DeathStar Battleship monstrousities with oddles of named on them.
Clay101	Posted - 2004.12.10 22:19:00 - [179] Edited by: Clay101 on 10/12/2004 22:23:10 OMG WTF - Xetic put up a POS? dang - THAT'S an accomplishment - well when you set that fact next to the fact that M.Corp alone has it's own POS as well - it's not that impressive. Oh and whoever said to run from 25BS plus 20support vs 6BS vs 20support - good move period - the worst odds i've ever fought was 9BS plus 17support (BoB) vs my fleet of 5BS plus 12support - we lost but we had PLENTY of time to run and reduced BoB to 7BS and 8-10 support - ok ok i know - not the best battle - but we stood up against them - fact - we had aprox 30-45 minutes of knowing what force and ships they had to run from our spot on the B-Vip gate - we had about 2 minutes to warp out when they formed up about 300km away from us picking targets and ready to warp in - we didn't we fought and lost - i lost my scorp - no big deal - atleast this proves you tards that still think all CA runs from battles unless their force WTFPWNS the other in size i know - off topic for the most part - i could care less - this thread is useless for what it matters that's my 2 isk (can't wait for Vel to read or hear about this post and "reprimand" me as he puts it - he yells at me - threatens to boot me - quite funny :) - all the people in our TS think it's hilarious) (again - off topic - i could care less) EDIT: BLARG
Clay101	Posted - 2004.12.10 22:19:00 - [180] Edited by: Clay101 on 10/12/2004 22:23:10 OMG WTF - Xetic put up a POS? dang - THAT'S an accomplishment - well when you set that fact next to the fact that M.Corp alone has it's own POS as well - it's not that impressive. Oh and whoever said to run from 25BS plus 20support vs 6BS vs 20support - good move period - the worst odds i've ever fought was 9BS plus 17support (BoB) vs my fleet of 5BS plus 12support - we lost but we had PLENTY of time to run and reduced BoB to 7BS and 8-10 support - ok ok i know - not the best battle - but we stood up against them - fact - we had aprox 30-45 minutes of knowing what force and ships they had to run from our spot on the B-Vip gate - we had about 2 minutes to warp out when they formed up about 300km away from us picking targets and ready to warp in - we didn't we fought and lost - i lost my scorp - no big deal - atleast this proves you tards that still think all CA runs from battles unless their force WTFPWNS the other in size i know - off topic for the most part - i could care less - this thread is useless for what it matters that's my 2 isk (can't wait for Vel to read or hear about this post and "reprimand" me as he puts it - he yells at me - threatens to boot me - quite funny :) - all the people in our TS think it's hilarious) (again - off topic - i could care less) EDIT: BLARG

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