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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.12.05 22:53:00 -
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do you not have to use an unanchoring drone?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.12.05 22:53:00 -
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do you not have to use an unanchoring drone?
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:05:00 -
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I dont think they exsist 
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:05:00 -
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I dont think they exsist
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:07:00 -
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2 things that might help you in the future:
- reinforced mode is for the forcefield and only for the forcefield (the big shield around all the anchored stuff).
-the control tower has more than 30M shields itself, those shields only protect the Control Tower (each item has its own shield). The control tower deosn't require anything to have those shields (except being anchored of course).
I don't know if you can really "take over" the POS sadly :(
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:07:00 -
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2 things that might help you in the future:
- reinforced mode is for the forcefield and only for the forcefield (the big shield around all the anchored stuff).
-the control tower has more than 30M shields itself, those shields only protect the Control Tower (each item has its own shield). The control tower deosn't require anything to have those shields (except being anchored of course).
I don't know if you can really "take over" the POS sadly :(
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:10:00 -
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If you CANT take over the station then why does CCP write stuff like this
 Originally by: Tokka Konnair
this is from the Exodus feature page ... i believe it was all written before testing so not sure how it may have changed... :
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When the Control Arrays shield is damaged and it reaches 25% capacity, it enters an reinforced state, where most of its resource needed for its Infrastructure Arrays is diverted to shield generation and it consumes its reserve that fuels the reinforced state.
The time it takes for a Control Arrays to go through its reinforced state depends on how much reserves the owner has primed the Array with.
When the Control Array exits the reinforced state, the Starbase is vulnerable for damage since it can not enter reinforced until you can fill the reserves again. Restocking can not be done until the shield is back to 50% capacity.
The reinforced state also dictates when the final battle for the Starbase will occur, since both attacker and defender knows the time of the Control Array exiting the reinforced state. The defender still has the advantage since he can prime the reserves so that it occurs on his prime time.
When the shield of a structure is gone, it can take damage beyond its incapacitation point or destruction point. An incapacitated structure can be taken as loot or it can be usurped to conquer the territory.
so it sounds like you need to keep hitting it until it goes into this 'incapacitated' state
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Nym Qyamara
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Posted - 2004.12.05 23:10:00 -
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If you CANT take over the station then why does CCP write stuff like this
Originally by: Tokka Konnair
this is from the Exodus feature page ... i believe it was all written before testing so not sure how it may have changed... :
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When the Control Arrays shield is damaged and it reaches 25% capacity, it enters an reinforced state, where most of its resource needed for its Infrastructure Arrays is diverted to shield generation and it consumes its reserve that fuels the reinforced state.
The time it takes for a Control Arrays to go through its reinforced state depends on how much reserves the owner has primed the Array with.
When the Control Array exits the reinforced state, the Starbase is vulnerable for damage since it can not enter reinforced until you can fill the reserves again. Restocking can not be done until the shield is back to 50% capacity.
The reinforced state also dictates when the final battle for the Starbase will occur, since both attacker and defender knows the time of the Control Array exiting the reinforced state. The defender still has the advantage since he can prime the reserves so that it occurs on his prime time.
When the shield of a structure is gone, it can take damage beyond its incapacitation point or destruction point. An incapacitated structure can be taken as loot or it can be usurped to conquer the territory.
so it sounds like you need to keep hitting it until it goes into this 'incapacitated' state
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:07:00 -
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1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up 
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:07:00 -
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1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Chef
1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up
1) Agreed
After reading this thread it's become evident the case with this POS attack is simple and falls under one of the following scenarios:
A. The attackers found a POS that had zero defenses. If this is the case, the POS corporation that raised the POS in the first place deserved to have it destroyed.
B. The attackers found an offline station, which of course would explain why they weren't decimated by the defenses that hopefully were placed around it. If there were none, refer to Scenario A 
C. The attackers either don't know what they are talking about or there has been no attaack on a POS at all. Not saying this is the case... but they repeatedly mention that the tower is offline, yet they mention also that they have been attacking and depleting the shields.
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Ref: Linkage
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Chef
1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up
1) Agreed
After reading this thread it's become evident the case with this POS attack is simple and falls under one of the following scenarios:
A. The attackers found a POS that had zero defenses. If this is the case, the POS corporation that raised the POS in the first place deserved to have it destroyed.
B. The attackers found an offline station, which of course would explain why they weren't decimated by the defenses that hopefully were placed around it. If there were none, refer to Scenario A
C. The attackers either don't know what they are talking about or there has been no attaack on a POS at all. Not saying this is the case... but they repeatedly mention that the tower is offline, yet they mention also that they have been attacking and depleting the shields.
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Ref: Linkage
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
I believe that all you need to take out any POS, no matter how well passively fortified, is a fleet of persons with remote armor repairers fitted, laser turrets, decent communication, and time to kill.
Luckilly, that doesn't work too well for fleet to fleet engagements.
no this is time to kill Linkage-------
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
I believe that all you need to take out any POS, no matter how well passively fortified, is a fleet of persons with remote armor repairers fitted, laser turrets, decent communication, and time to kill.
Luckilly, that doesn't work too well for fleet to fleet engagements.
no this is time to killLinkage-------
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Princess Ardalla
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Posted - 2004.12.06 05:03:00 -
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A most interesting development. I am curious how the control tower can be offline yet the shield can be active? I thought the shield bubble went on when the tower did?
Are you at war with this corp? What kind of defenses did they have?
Ardalla
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Princess Ardalla
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Posted - 2004.12.06 05:03:00 -
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A most interesting development. I am curious how the control tower can be offline yet the shield can be active? I thought the shield bubble went on when the tower did?
Are you at war with this corp? What kind of defenses did they have?
Ardalla
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Simms
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Posted - 2004.12.06 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
Originally by: The Chef
1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up
1) Agreed
After reading this thread it's become evident the case with this POS attack is simple and falls under one of the following scenarios:
A. The attackers found a POS that had zero defenses. If this is the case, the POS corporation that raised the POS in the first place deserved to have it destroyed.
B. The attackers found an offline station, which of course would explain why they weren't decimated by the defenses that hopefully were placed around it. If there were none, refer to Scenario A
C. The attackers either don't know what they are talking about or there has been no attaack on a POS at all. Not saying this is the case... but they repeatedly mention that the tower is offline, yet they mention also that they have been attacking and depleting the shields.
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Ref: Linkage
mmmm.. I am a member of Nym Qyamara¦s corp, We didnt want to destroy it, but capture it. after been powing it for 35+ hours 0% shield 0% armor 1/2 structure left, we still dont have any option of capture it, or unanchor it.  ..
So the control arrays are not conqurable....
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Simms
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Posted - 2004.12.06 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
Originally by: The Chef
1) Be greatful that it was offline
2) Anyone crazy enough to try to run a POS with the ~120 million isk/week running cost probably won't mind it getting blown up
1) Agreed
After reading this thread it's become evident the case with this POS attack is simple and falls under one of the following scenarios:
A. The attackers found a POS that had zero defenses. If this is the case, the POS corporation that raised the POS in the first place deserved to have it destroyed.
B. The attackers found an offline station, which of course would explain why they weren't decimated by the defenses that hopefully were placed around it. If there were none, refer to Scenario A
C. The attackers either don't know what they are talking about or there has been no attaack on a POS at all. Not saying this is the case... but they repeatedly mention that the tower is offline, yet they mention also that they have been attacking and depleting the shields.
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Ref: Linkage
mmmm.. I am a member of Nym Qyamara¦s corp, We didnt want to destroy it, but capture it. after been powing it for 35+ hours 0% shield 0% armor 1/2 structure left, we still dont have any option of capture it, or unanchor it. ..
So the control arrays are not conqurable....
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:12:00 -
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Well....
If the tower still has half structure left, then you haven't conquered anything. What you've done is almostconquer it, but left it in a very badly damaged state.
Think about it
If you attack me, and you get my structure down to half, but then you give up and leave because I'm "unkillable" for whatever reason, then what harm have you truly done to me? Not really much -- maybe scared the crap outta me there for a second but didn't take my ship, my pod, my implants, etc...
Read up on these POS and you'll find that they were intentionally built to last 
Furthermore, you say that you're goal is to capture it. Indeed, you probably can but, can I ask is there some reason why you want to kill this one in particular? Have you somehow gained an asset through this? Come out "better in the end" so to speak. (ie... did you spend more money on equipment, ammunition, and time than you would have if you just picked up a hauler and went and bought a tower)
Just curious 
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Joviah
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:12:00 -
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Well....
If the tower still has half structure left, then you haven't conquered anything. What you've done is almostconquer it, but left it in a very badly damaged state.
Think about it
If you attack me, and you get my structure down to half, but then you give up and leave because I'm "unkillable" for whatever reason, then what harm have you truly done to me? Not really much -- maybe scared the crap outta me there for a second but didn't take my ship, my pod, my implants, etc...
Read up on these POS and you'll find that they were intentionally built to last
Furthermore, you say that you're goal is to capture it. Indeed, you probably can but, can I ask is there some reason why you want to kill this one in particular? Have you somehow gained an asset through this? Come out "better in the end" so to speak. (ie... did you spend more money on equipment, ammunition, and time than you would have if you just picked up a hauler and went and bought a tower)
Just curious
Joviah
Director, Cirrius Technologies
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:34:00 -
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Interesting development indeed.
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Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:34:00 -
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Interesting development indeed.
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Well I went with Yulai Ice prices a couple of days after Exodus based on buying everything you would need, and it came to 800k per hour. He went with 500 isk per ice partical, I went with 1,000. Either way, that is still ~84 million a week
Erm yes... Anyway... Did you blow up the POS or did you manage to scoop it?
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The Chef
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joviah
2) I think it's funny that every time I see an estimate on how much it takes to run a POS, the number increases.
Well I went with Yulai Ice prices a couple of days after Exodus based on buying everything you would need, and it came to 800k per hour. He went with 500 isk per ice partical, I went with 1,000. Either way, that is still ~84 million a week
Erm yes... Anyway... Did you blow up the POS or did you manage to scoop it?
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Ardalla
A most interesting development. I am curious how the control tower can be offline yet the shield can be active? I thought the shield bubble went on when the tower did?
Are you at war with this corp? What kind of defenses did they have?
Ardalla
Theres a difference between the forcefield (shield bubble) and the shield of the control tower itself AFAIK. While the bubble goes offline when the tower is offline, the normal shield of the tower still remains.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2004.12.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Ardalla
A most interesting development. I am curious how the control tower can be offline yet the shield can be active? I thought the shield bubble went on when the tower did?
Are you at war with this corp? What kind of defenses did they have?
Ardalla
Theres a difference between the forcefield (shield bubble) and the shield of the control tower itself AFAIK. While the bubble goes offline when the tower is offline, the normal shield of the tower still remains.
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:09:00 -
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So, any news? Anyone show up to defend the thing?
-Dewar
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Dewar Scrabulous
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:09:00 -
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So, any news? Anyone show up to defend the thing?
-Dewar
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:22:00 -
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Quote:
"mmmm.. I am a member of Nym Qyamara¦s corp, We didnt want to destroy it, but capture it. after been powing it for 35+ hours 0% shield 0% armor 1/2 structure left, we still dont have any option of capture it, or unanchor it."
Wow 35 hours of attacking non-stop.
Can you give us the following information this is fascinating stuff.
1) How many ships and what types (Battleship, Cruiser, Frigate, Inty, etc) did you use in the attack?
2) Did anyone show up to defend it.
3) Were there any defenses and did they work at all?
4) Was the Control Tower offline the entire time?
Amazing action any answers you could provide would help us all understand how to attack a POS.
Thank you,
Archbishop
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:22:00 -
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Quote:
"mmmm.. I am a member of Nym Qyamara¦s corp, We didnt want to destroy it, but capture it. after been powing it for 35+ hours 0% shield 0% armor 1/2 structure left, we still dont have any option of capture it, or unanchor it."
Wow 35 hours of attacking non-stop.
Can you give us the following information this is fascinating stuff.
1) How many ships and what types (Battleship, Cruiser, Frigate, Inty, etc) did you use in the attack?
2) Did anyone show up to defend it.
3) Were there any defenses and did they work at all?
4) Was the Control Tower offline the entire time?
Amazing action any answers you could provide would help us all understand how to attack a POS.
Thank you,
Archbishop
PIE CORPORATION
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
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