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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:32:00 -
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I donÆt feel thereÆs a need to insult my corp, and I did not ask for help, as for using a ship outside of it role, I set off on a solo hunt against cruisers and frigs so equipped the scrambler and web.
I take offence at this remark, and ask you to demonstrate its true (otherwise I believe the title ôliarö is appropriate)
ôWell I'm sorry but they've rubbed it in for months about bashing minni ships and now I can't help but laugh at the ironyö
I certainly havenÆt posted anything like that about minni ships or projectiles and know of no members of my corp, which have.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2004.12.06 16:32:00 -
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I donÆt feel thereÆs a need to insult my corp, and I did not ask for help, as for using a ship outside of it role, I set off on a solo hunt against cruisers and frigs so equipped the scrambler and web.
I take offence at this remark, and ask you to demonstrate its true (otherwise I believe the title ôliarö is appropriate)
ôWell I'm sorry but they've rubbed it in for months about bashing minni ships and now I can't help but laugh at the ironyö
I certainly havenÆt posted anything like that about minni ships or projectiles and know of no members of my corp, which have.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:42:00 -
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 Originally by: DarkMatters
I set off on a solo hunt against cruisers and frigs so equipped the scrambler and web.
I take offence at this remark, and ask you to demonstrate its true (otherwise I believe the title ôliarö is appropriate)
Well you've answered your own question there, case closed...
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatters
I set off on a solo hunt against cruisers and frigs so equipped the scrambler and web.
I take offence at this remark, and ask you to demonstrate its true (otherwise I believe the title ôliarö is appropriate)
Well you've answered your own question there, case closed...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:37:00 -
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Hm well, Cruise missiles are pretty much the best weapon against everything that isn't a battleship right now, and the only reason it doesn't work too well on a battleship is because it can tank the damage.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2004.12.06 22:37:00 -
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Hm well, Cruise missiles are pretty much the best weapon against everything that isn't a battleship right now, and the only reason it doesn't work too well on a battleship is because it can tank the damage.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:36:00 -
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uhhmmm.... vengeance.... that has like a misille hardpoint, which you should try putting a rocketlauncher in with defenders...
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:36:00 -
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uhhmmm.... vengeance.... that has like a misille hardpoint, which you should try putting a rocketlauncher in with defenders...
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Axin
uhhmmm.... vengeance.... that has like a misille hardpoint, which you should try putting a rocketlauncher in with defenders...
How ******* brilliant. I'm in a frigate, I need speed to get close to someone and to evade turret fire, so I'll start popping off defenders.
You ******* idiot. Think about why that wouldnt work.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Axin
uhhmmm.... vengeance.... that has like a misille hardpoint, which you should try putting a rocketlauncher in with defenders...
How ******* brilliant. I'm in a frigate, I need speed to get close to someone and to evade turret fire, so I'll start popping off defenders.
You ******* idiot. Think about why that wouldnt work.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 07/12/2004 12:15:29
Originally by: CmdoColin
assault frigs are gimped.
Oh ha. They absolutely rock for PVE, and as soon as Something(tm) is done about cruise missiles they should be pretty nasty in PvP too. They are expensive and they require skills to use... but gimped they are not. My Enyo is a lovely little beast.
Edit: ...but interceptors they are not. Trying to tackle with an AF is just as bad an idea as is trying to tank damage in an interceptor.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.07 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 07/12/2004 12:15:29
Originally by: CmdoColin
assault frigs are gimped.
Oh ha. They absolutely rock for PVE, and as soon as Something(tm) is done about cruise missiles they should be pretty nasty in PvP too. They are expensive and they require skills to use... but gimped they are not. My Enyo is a lovely little beast.
Edit: ...but interceptors they are not. Trying to tackle with an AF is just as bad an idea as is trying to tank damage in an interceptor.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Stront3h
Now tell me why I should offer constructive help, especialy to the mighty PvP corp PIE, due to their own ignorance.....
Heh!
Originally by: Pandora Panda
How ******* brilliant. I'm in a frigate, I need speed to get close to someone and to evade turret fire, so I'll start popping off defenders.
You ******* idiot. Think about why that wouldnt work.
Nothing beats hands on experience ;)
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Stront3h
Now tell me why I should offer constructive help, especialy to the mighty PvP corp PIE, due to their own ignorance.....
Heh!
Originally by: Pandora Panda
How ******* brilliant. I'm in a frigate, I need speed to get close to someone and to evade turret fire, so I'll start popping off defenders.
You ******* idiot. Think about why that wouldnt work.
Nothing beats hands on experience ;)
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: KompleX
So what are you saying here? That a Assault Frig + a Heavy Assault Cruiser should be able to take down a BS?
BS are "top of the line" and imo they should be able to take down cruisers and frigs with ease, even the tech2 versions.
1. Yes, I don't see why not. You can take out a poorly fitted Battleship in a lone interceptor or cruiser.
2. Right. No need to actually fit a webber or nossies or think about tactics, just load some FoFs, press fire and go make a cup of tea while you wait for your enemies to die.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.12.07 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: KompleX
So what are you saying here? That a Assault Frig + a Heavy Assault Cruiser should be able to take down a BS?
BS are "top of the line" and imo they should be able to take down cruisers and frigs with ease, even the tech2 versions.
1. Yes, I don't see why not. You can take out a poorly fitted Battleship in a lone interceptor or cruiser.
2. Right. No need to actually fit a webber or nossies or think about tactics, just load some FoFs, press fire and go make a cup of tea while you wait for your enemies to die.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.12.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
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A second thing is that devs are thinking about different amount of damage against differend sized ships so that a torpedo wouldnt do that huge anount of damage against a frig. Missiles will not stay the way they are now.
Yeah they said this a WHILE back, like months upon months ago when TomB asked for suggestions on missiles.
It would make sense that signature radius of the target should be taken into account by the missile in calculating damage, since missiles automatically hit. Turrets take into account the targets sig radius when calculating tracking, the least missiles could do would be to take it into account while calculating damage.
Problem with this bud is it would make torps more destructive against BS using MWD setups. Blasterthron vs. Raven for example would be dead before it got in range.
As a Raven Pilot, I want balance. It favours me as my corp uses mixed fleet setups so while I feel they're on the right lines with this, I personally think they should measure the damage some other way. Prehaps something as simple (if there is such a thing  ) as against Frigs the damage is equilivent to Lights, against Cruisers it's equilivent to Heavy and only against BS are Cruise and Torps equilivent to the way they work now.
I know many people are against this but at the end of the day, we need balance (as Large Turrets can't track Frigs very well) otherwise everyone will use Raven's and we'll be back to square one again.
Make a difference
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.12.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
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A second thing is that devs are thinking about different amount of damage against differend sized ships so that a torpedo wouldnt do that huge anount of damage against a frig. Missiles will not stay the way they are now.
Yeah they said this a WHILE back, like months upon months ago when TomB asked for suggestions on missiles.
It would make sense that signature radius of the target should be taken into account by the missile in calculating damage, since missiles automatically hit. Turrets take into account the targets sig radius when calculating tracking, the least missiles could do would be to take it into account while calculating damage.
Problem with this bud is it would make torps more destructive against BS using MWD setups. Blasterthron vs. Raven for example would be dead before it got in range.
As a Raven Pilot, I want balance. It favours me as my corp uses mixed fleet setups so while I feel they're on the right lines with this, I personally think they should measure the damage some other way. Prehaps something as simple (if there is such a thing ) as against Frigs the damage is equilivent to Lights, against Cruisers it's equilivent to Heavy and only against BS are Cruise and Torps equilivent to the way they work now.
I know many people are against this but at the end of the day, we need balance (as Large Turrets can't track Frigs very well) otherwise everyone will use Raven's and we'll be back to square one again.
Make a difference
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.12.07 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatters
Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/12/2004 08:38:58
arggg the flames,
have a ever fought someone ? yes i do it every night, that little vengance in questions has taken a good number of crusers down solo.
riding a bike towards a tank? nope not at all, a tank has a Turret and i know my Apocs turrets dont stand a hope in hell of hitting a frig. so you agree missiles should be changed then?
get a decent mix of ships, and read devblogs? i read them all and i fight with whats available.
want your tips? erm no
want some poeple to post constructivly insted of flaming? yes
you can't hit a frig with your apoc? C'mon, we've got 3-4 apoc users in my corp and they take down frigs left and right with those darn mega pulses. I've got a Tempest and my CEO has one as well. I don't have the skills he does but I can hit frigs with the 1400's provided they are 40-60km away and he took down an inty the other day with 1 bullet. Turrets do hit everything if you know how to equip a ship and have the skills to use them. As far as missiles go that's what they were built to do, even irl, they intercept the target and predict it's path. put some defenders on the frigs :P
however: I do think they need to change the defenders, they should each target a different missile.
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Redginald
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Posted - 2004.12.07 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatters
Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/12/2004 08:38:58
arggg the flames,
have a ever fought someone ? yes i do it every night, that little vengance in questions has taken a good number of crusers down solo.
riding a bike towards a tank? nope not at all, a tank has a Turret and i know my Apocs turrets dont stand a hope in hell of hitting a frig. so you agree missiles should be changed then?
get a decent mix of ships, and read devblogs? i read them all and i fight with whats available.
want your tips? erm no
want some poeple to post constructivly insted of flaming? yes
you can't hit a frig with your apoc? C'mon, we've got 3-4 apoc users in my corp and they take down frigs left and right with those darn mega pulses. I've got a Tempest and my CEO has one as well. I don't have the skills he does but I can hit frigs with the 1400's provided they are 40-60km away and he took down an inty the other day with 1 bullet. Turrets do hit everything if you know how to equip a ship and have the skills to use them. As far as missiles go that's what they were built to do, even irl, they intercept the target and predict it's path. put some defenders on the frigs :P
however: I do think they need to change the defenders, they should each target a different missile.
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Khan Lupis
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:40:00 -
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okay, i'm really n00b... so no flames, please. i just don't get it, though. i've been reading all of these posts about missles and wonder why/if the tracking and signature radius come into play.
irl a cruise missle is a powerful guided missle, for predictable targets. you'd never launch a tomohawk after aircraft, that's not what it's designed for. or even consider the patriot (i was 24t in the army, patriot missle ops). they were designed for shooting down aircraft, but got alot of press for shooting down smaller, faster missles... cool. the problem that was never advertised, is that to shoot down 1 missle, a battery of patriots had to be fired. they just had a majority chance of missing targets they weren't designed to catch.
on these smaller, faster frigates... why the guaranteed hit? instead of adjusting damage, why not adjust the probability of a hit? it would make the practice of spamming missles a bit more balanced, imho.
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Khan Lupis
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:40:00 -
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okay, i'm really n00b... so no flames, please. i just don't get it, though. i've been reading all of these posts about missles and wonder why/if the tracking and signature radius come into play.
irl a cruise missle is a powerful guided missle, for predictable targets. you'd never launch a tomohawk after aircraft, that's not what it's designed for. or even consider the patriot (i was 24t in the army, patriot missle ops). they were designed for shooting down aircraft, but got alot of press for shooting down smaller, faster missles... cool. the problem that was never advertised, is that to shoot down 1 missle, a battery of patriots had to be fired. they just had a majority chance of missing targets they weren't designed to catch.
on these smaller, faster frigates... why the guaranteed hit? instead of adjusting damage, why not adjust the probability of a hit? it would make the practice of spamming missles a bit more balanced, imho.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:58:00 -
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I'd be all for giving every missile type a chance to hit each ship type. That'll still leave us with the Crow problem, but it's a start at least.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:58:00 -
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I'd be all for giving every missile type a chance to hit each ship type. That'll still leave us with the Crow problem, but it's a start at least.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatters
Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/12/2004 08:38:58
arggg the flames,
have a ever fought someone ? yes i do it every night, that little vengance in questions has taken a good number of crusers down solo.
riding a bike towards a tank? nope not at all, a tank has a Turret and i know my Apocs turrets dont stand a hope in hell of hitting a frig. so you agree missiles should be changed then?
get a decent mix of ships, and read devblogs? i read them all and i fight with whats available.
want your tips? erm no
want some poeple to post constructivly insted of flaming? yes
stop whining, we may stop flaming dear
but let me explain you some things about all the mistakes you have done in that battle
1st.
using an assualt frig as tackler -> too slow, thy die to missles and even with large guns he would have toasted you to hell when you appoach him from 200km
2nd.
expecting your anti cruiser setup would be any good against a BS, yeah thyphoon is a battleship, and a pretty good one well used
3rd.
fighting an thyphoon in a frig. thyphoons are mainly used as anti frig and cruiser plattform, thy are hardly a harm for most BS, but deadly for frigs and cruisers, ok?
4th.
dev blog = thy said missle agility atm is a bug, so please read them before you complain about missles again
feel free to ask me for a decent setup to take a thyphoon out, but please stay away from frigs and cruisers
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.07 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatters
Edited by: DarkMatters on 06/12/2004 08:38:58
arggg the flames,
have a ever fought someone ? yes i do it every night, that little vengance in questions has taken a good number of crusers down solo.
riding a bike towards a tank? nope not at all, a tank has a Turret and i know my Apocs turrets dont stand a hope in hell of hitting a frig. so you agree missiles should be changed then?
get a decent mix of ships, and read devblogs? i read them all and i fight with whats available.
want your tips? erm no
want some poeple to post constructivly insted of flaming? yes
stop whining, we may stop flaming dear
but let me explain you some things about all the mistakes you have done in that battle
1st.
using an assualt frig as tackler -> too slow, thy die to missles and even with large guns he would have toasted you to hell when you appoach him from 200km
2nd.
expecting your anti cruiser setup would be any good against a BS, yeah thyphoon is a battleship, and a pretty good one well used
3rd.
fighting an thyphoon in a frig. thyphoons are mainly used as anti frig and cruiser plattform, thy are hardly a harm for most BS, but deadly for frigs and cruisers, ok?
4th.
dev blog = thy said missle agility atm is a bug, so please read them before you complain about missles again
feel free to ask me for a decent setup to take a thyphoon out, but please stay away from frigs and cruisers
Wanna fly with me?
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Mike Tredge
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:23:00 -
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I have a suggestion. How about making FOF guided missiles have a chance to miss based on ship sig radius and ecm burst modules, and the missiles themselfs. Light missiles would almost hit the target even with ecm in effect, and this could scale with missile size.
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Mike Tredge
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:23:00 -
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I have a suggestion. How about making FOF guided missiles have a chance to miss based on ship sig radius and ecm burst modules, and the missiles themselfs. Light missiles would almost hit the target even with ecm in effect, and this could scale with missile size.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:40:00 -
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1st.
only missiles hit me, his guns were missing
2nd.
no i didnt expect my anti cruiser setup would be any good against a BS, but it was what i was flying it had a scrambler and decided to take the chance
3rd.
as far as i know the Anti frig platform the devs have intended are destroyers and assault frigs
4th.
and? if they have they should hurry up and fix it then
5th
you have completly missed the point, its flown right over your head. i used my little tale to show why PVP would be more fun without instant ganking, not in anyway to say my assualt fig should be a better tackler then a cepter or be able to solo a battleship. is that clear?
i took down a few frigs last night using the same thing, i will carry on using it while its in the game, but its still bad for the game and should be changed.
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2004.12.07 20:40:00 -
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1st.
only missiles hit me, his guns were missing
2nd.
no i didnt expect my anti cruiser setup would be any good against a BS, but it was what i was flying it had a scrambler and decided to take the chance
3rd.
as far as i know the Anti frig platform the devs have intended are destroyers and assault frigs
4th.
and? if they have they should hurry up and fix it then
5th
you have completly missed the point, its flown right over your head. i used my little tale to show why PVP would be more fun without instant ganking, not in anyway to say my assualt fig should be a better tackler then a cepter or be able to solo a battleship. is that clear?
i took down a few frigs last night using the same thing, i will carry on using it while its in the game, but its still bad for the game and should be changed.
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