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Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:07:00 - [1] If so how, linky please Also links on assault ship buffs too XD This is so not my main

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:10:00 - [2] The only change being made to Level 4 missions, as far as I am aware, are changes to Rogue Drone compound and NPC loot drops. You can read the full details in this blog. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:21:00 - [3] Threadnaught Aversion Lv5 ITT - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.12 11:24:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Navigator The only change being made to Level 4 missions, as far as I am aware, are changes to Rogue Drone compound and NPC loot drops. You can read the full details in this blog. Interesting changes, I actually dont mind them, very nice overall, nice work, although 'the circle of life' was a little missleading :P NPC Loot Quote: We identified a core set of loot tables which are responsible for contributing to the majority of the NPC loot sourced minerals and these are the first ones we want to adjust with Tyrannis, reducing the quantity of the Tech 0 items being dropped and substituting it with a variation of scrap metals or tags, for example. There will still be the same amount of Tech 1 meta 1-4 modules being dropped and these will still act as mineral faucets if you desire a source of minerals still from NPC combat. Hmm scrap metals such as those things you get as salvage waste from mercs / EoM for example, does that mean we will get new types of scrap metal and not the generic one that gives trit, if so would they still refine into trit or just be a new type of salvage that acts much like drone compounds? Now to assault ships ;) but ill check sisi instead This is so not my main
So Cash	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:08:00 - [5] Originally by: CCP Navigator The only change being made to Level 4 missions, as far as I am aware, are changes to Rogue Drone compound and NPC loot drops. You can read the full details in this blog. So they are getting a nerf then eh?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:12:00 - [6] Originally by: So Cash Originally by: CCP Navigator The only change being made to Level 4 missions, as far as I am aware, are changes to Rogue Drone compound and NPC loot drops. You can read the full details in this blog. So they are getting a nerf then eh? Not really. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:21:00 - [7] L4 missions have already been stealth nerfed repeatedly, namely by making them more difficult for anyone flying anything but a raven...I fly a raven so no real problem.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Crumplecorn Threadnaught Aversion Lv5 ITT Naive optimism IV ITT.
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Drenan L4 missions have already been stealth nerfed repeatedly, namely by making them more difficult for anyone flying anything but a raven...I fly a raven so no real problem. Obvious troll or idiot, people assume the Raven is good purely because they can choose their damage type, I have flown all the BS, all the BC and all the Marauders and Golems / Ravens arent all that, Drakes are good for their tank but if I was going to pick a marauder / BS I would avoid Caldari altogether in PvE and PvP. This is so not my main
Galgacus	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:33:00 - [10] Your thread about moving all L4s to low sec needs some support.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Drenan L4 missions have already been stealth nerfed repeatedly, namely by making them more difficult for anyone flying anything but a raven...I fly a raven so no real problem. Riiightà how so, in what way, and when did this happen? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

CCP Soundwave C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:39:00 - [12] Just to clarify, this loot changes are to a specific type of NPCs, so their loot changes regardless if they are found in a mission or in other content that shares npc type.

So Cash	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: So Cash Originally by: CCP Navigator The only change being made to Level 4 missions, as far as I am aware, are changes to Rogue Drone compound and NPC loot drops. You can read the full details in this blog. So they are getting a nerf then eh? Not really. Yeh really
Drenan State War Academy	Posted - 2010.05.12 12:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Musical Fist Originally by: Drenan L4 missions have already been stealth nerfed repeatedly, namely by making them more difficult for anyone flying anything but a raven...I fly a raven so no real problem. Obvious troll or idiot, people assume the Raven is good purely because they can choose their damage type, I have flown all the BS, all the BC and all the Marauders and Golems / Ravens arent all that, Drakes are good for their tank but if I was going to pick a marauder / BS I would avoid Caldari altogether in PvE and PvP. Is it possible to be both?
Fuel Technician	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:04:00 - [15] CCP taking away meta 0 items is going to be a big isk looser for mission runners, by far the best loot to get is large guns,they drop frequently and sell well, the meta 0 ones to be presise, look at the market buy orders for large neutron blaster cannons, they sell for around 1 mill isk, meta 1-3 sell for around 300k isk, with only the meta 4 items being worth more than the meta 0. you'd have to be mad to reprocess those but thats what CCP are assuming we all do. only work around i can see is having a trader alt and spending alot ( too much i fear ) of time decreasing your sell order price by 0.01 isk to stay ahead of the dedicated traders. sounds like fun to me!!
Saietor Blackgreen Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:06:00 - [16] Yes, income from them will be nerfed - Damsel in Distress drops several millions worth of meta-0 large guns. These will be changed to scrapmetals or other semi-worthless things. Which is fine - these meta-0 drops provided way to big influx of minerals from loot. Bounties, rewards and salvage will still be there... --- EvE online. New game every 6 months.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2010 13:11:01 Originally by: So Cash Yeh really Replacement of stuff with equivalent stuff ≠ nerf. The only "nerf" of sorts is that you won't be able to produce as much minerals or meta-0 items, and guess what, if you want to produce either of those you can always get into the professions that do so alreadyà so that's a good thing. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2010 13:11:01 Originally by: So Cash Yeh really Replacement of stuff with equivalent stuff ≠ nerf. The only "nerf" of sorts is that you won't be able to produce as much minerals or meta-0 items, and guess what, if you want to produce either of those you can always get into the professions that do so alreadyà so that's a good thing. Training something more (industrial/manufacturing skills) just so I can acquire cheap t1 modules for cheap pvp sounds like a nerf to me.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Amberlamps Training something more (industrial/manufacturing skills) just so I can acquire cheap t1 modules for cheap pvp sounds like a nerf to me. Sounds more like a bugfix, tbh. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross DEFI4NT	Posted - 2010.05.12 13:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Amberlamps Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2010 13:11:01 Originally by: So Cash Yeh really Replacement of stuff with equivalent stuff ≠ nerf. The only "nerf" of sorts is that you won't be able to produce as much minerals or meta-0 items, and guess what, if you want to produce either of those you can always get into the professions that do so alreadyà so that's a good thing. Training something more (industrial/manufacturing skills) just so I can acquire cheap t1 modules for cheap pvp sounds like a nerf to me. Stealth "Minerals I mine are free" statement? ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Musical Fist on 12/05/2010 14:12:20 nvm forgot it was 30 posts not 20 This is so not my main
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Amberlamps Training something more (industrial/manufacturing skills) just so I can acquire cheap t1 modules for cheap pvp sounds like a nerf to me. Stealth "Minerals I mine are free" statement? More or less. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 12/05/2010 13:11:01 Originally by: So Cash Yeh really Replacement of stuff with equivalent stuff ≠ nerf. The only "nerf" of sorts is that you won't be able to produce as much minerals or meta-0 items, and guess what, if you want to produce either of those you can always get into the professions that do so alreadyà so that's a good thing. I hear from reliable sources (my ass) that the scrap metal will reprocess into the equivalent amount of minerals.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Musical Fist Edited by: Musical Fist on 12/05/2010 14:12:20 nvm forgot it was 30 posts not 20 Quoting a sniper fail. --------
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I hear from reliable sources (my ass) that the scrap metal will reprocess into the equivalent amount of minerals. Equivalent to what? Your source is very fuzzy on the detailsà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Musical Fist Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:33:00 - [26] At first I was a bit nervous about these changes but after carefully checking, it isnt a bad thing at all, sadly I feel macro lamers will increase This is so not my main
MaxxOmega Caldari Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels	Posted - 2010.05.12 17:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I hear from reliable sources (my ass) that the scrap metal will reprocess into the equivalent amount of minerals. Equivalent to what? Your source is very fuzzy on the detailsà That's because he has a fuzzy ass?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.13 02:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I hear from reliable sources (my ass) that the scrap metal will reprocess into the equivalent amount of minerals. Equivalent to what? Your source is very fuzzy on the detailsà That was the best pun I have heard on the eve forums yet. This is clearly a signature.
Captain Mastiff	Posted - 2010.05.13 02:55:00 - [29] Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 13/05/2010 02:55:43 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Amberlamps Training something more (industrial/manufacturing skills) just so I can acquire cheap t1 modules for cheap pvp sounds like a nerf to me. Stealth "Minerals I mine are free" statement? More or less. No? Sounds like a nerf to me. I wonder why CCP change things that don't need fixing as much as others... (edit, I imagine that would spark controversy). Increasing the value of minerals but still not decreasing the amount of macro miners significantly is only going to encourage macro'ers. Its a completely different point but its the fact CCP address the wrong problems first. WHERE THE **** IS MY ROFLKET FIX
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.05.13 04:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Zartrader on 13/05/2010 04:25:13 It's a nerf but I stopped collecting loot and salvage a long time ago, It does not take much training to make it not worth the time it takes. I suspect many MR's are ignoring opportunity cost so if anything overall mission income may go up and some will wonder why they salvaged and looted in the first place. MR's are not really known for lateral thinking (hence all the inane moans about ninja salvagers), maybe this will do the thinking for them.

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