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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.05.13 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 05:47:58
TLDR: Read this editorial, explaining why the EVE Tribune is asking you NOT to vote for Ankhesentapemkah.
Long version:
My fellow players, I feel that it is worth announcing here that the EVE Tribune, New Eden's oldest and most established independent newspaper, has taken the extraordinary and for us unprecedented step of formally urging our readers not to vote for Ankhesentapemkah for the CSM. You can read my editorial setting out our case against her here.
Though due to the limitations of time and space I have dealt with only some of the very serious problems with Ankh's record, we feel that the case we have laid out is simply too damning to even consider voting for this deeply flawed candidate. It is our considered opinion that Ankh is morally and temperamentally unsuitable to sit on the Council of Stellar Management. Simply put, we believe that she is the worst candidate currently running. Rest assured that this decision was taken after careful consideration with the Tribune's management, and with full understanding of the importance of our role as independent reporters in the democratic process. Again, we most sincerely urge all of our fellow players not to vote Ankhesentapemkah. Thank you for your time.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:21:00 -
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I agree with you that Ankhesentapemkah isnÆt a suitable candidate in my opinion. I do feel that you are biased. I am a pvper but I know very well that there are many many pilots who would tell you that for them Eve Online isnÆt about pvp and have no interest in it. That that is their choice.
I feel that I should say that EvaÆs choice to list her volunteer work for CCP would in the UK not only be quite legitimate but also encouraged.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:32:00 -
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 Originally by: ViolenTUK
I feel that I should say that EvaÆs choice to list her volunteer work for CCP would in the UK not only be quite legitimate but also encouraged.
Would it be encouraged to list that as actual employment, without specifying that it's par- time volunteering, or the elected nature of the position?
Also I don't oppose voting for other carebear candidates. I won't vote for one since they won't represent my personal interests as an empire/lowsec pvper, but there are certainly qualified carebears out there who I would love to see on the CSM.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: ViolenTUK on 13/05/2010 07:06:47
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
Would it be encouraged to list that as actual employment, without specifying that it's par- time volunteering, or the elected nature of the position?
Yes! I have looked at her CV and it is perfectly acceptable. She has listed her employer, job title and duties. Volunteer work in the UK is ôactualö employment.
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Athena Olympus
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Posted - 2010.05.13 06:59:00 -
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Biggest load of a steamin pile of crap ive ever read, change the bloody record, its a bloody CV not a official application form and tbh noone i know cares except for a few and a army of alts belonging to the other CSMs
Ankh''''''' is one CSM out of quite a few - im sure if she suggested anything that isnt suitable in their and CCP's opinion then it wouldnt even be considered, items i have been reading lately seem to be written by a army of alts with personnal agenda's
Ive read her past suggestions and votes and she has voted in favour of a no' of items suggested by most other CSM's, does that make those suggestions laughable because she cast her vote agreeing with them?
You guys are embaressing
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.13 07:27:00 -
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I am tired of this BS.
1 Opinion is opinion and not fact.
2 CCP decides if a candidate is qualified. If a candidate is not then they are not allowed to enter the race.
- as to your editorials points
3 Term Limits. Yes, there is a down side to lifting them. Just as there is a downside to having them in the first place. Never the less with them lifted there is nothing wrong with running, even if you do not believe the term limits have not been lifted. So we have a pointless point in the end.
4 The resumT issue. Who the flipping hell CARES!!!! This does not matter one damn bit. Her CV has nothing to do what so ever to do with her qualifications as CSM. Sure she brought it up, if you don't like it fine but in ether case it is not important.
5 Anti-PvP. CSM is a body made up of multiple members, each representing (ideally) a number of different perspectives and backgrounds. One member can not change the game. The CSM can not change the game. The CSM helps present and prioritize player issues with the game. One member will not change the nature of Eve or CCP. To think otherwise is folly, to put it nicely.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 08:08:00 -
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I dont give a rats behind about the CV thing - employers should check relevant references in any case.
However, I dont understand how anyone would support someone who would stoop so low as to abuse the parent of a disabled child and blame them for causing the disability. Candidly, I think that's on a par with or maybe even worse than racial abuse, which is something that even the "socipathic bullies" who make up the PVP community in EVE have never tolerated.
I've disagreed with Eva on a number of game related issues, but that revealing little display of viciousness puts her beyond the pale as a person.
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Kuluskitur
Dominion Experiments
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Posted - 2010.05.13 08:08:00 -
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You guys are an embarrassment for independent journalism. Have you contacted Ankh to see what she had to say?
Her thread IS trolled, and the comments you are quoting are outdated, most of them date back BEFORE Ankh has even been on the CSM, and during a time where there indeed WAS no consequence for suicide ganking (there were tactics to avoid getting a secloss alltogether!) and Concord took ages to show up. Your article is horribly one-sided and most of your so-called facts are simply wrong. Which candidate paid you to post this crap?
Plus, being from the Netherlands and being owner of a small business, I can attest that Ankh's CV is perfectly fine.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.05.13 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kuluskitur
Plus, being from the Netherlands and being owner of a small business, I can attest that Ankh's CV is perfectly fine.
OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction.
My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.13 08:53:00 -
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No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself?
I have seen gossip columnists do better.
By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you? 
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you?
For the record, I believe Ankh is referring here to the Tribune's editor-in-chief, FinnAgain Zero.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:14:00 -
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While I agree with the fundamental message, all I found in the article was a tl;dr of a forum thread and some potshots at EVE, CCP, and aspects of the game I happen to quite enjoy.
Sounds like a whiny PvPer.
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Stevakis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:45:00 -
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Edited by: Stevakis on 13/05/2010 09:47:42
I find it funny that the first two paragraphs are basically an apology to the reader that publishing trasharticles like these are the wrong thing to do, and attempt to spin thin justifications for doing it anyway.
Everything you claim in this article is wrong:
- The things she put in her CV are not only perfectly acceptable, they are also totally irrelevant to her bid for CSM. The only reason it is in her thread is because her opponents use it to fling mud (with the alts of the opponents then trying to make mountains out of this non-issue)
- The thing about UOs justice system have been clarified several times in the topic, but the trolls keep bringing it up and ignoring the clarifications, as did you.
- Like Kuliskitur said, Ankh's quotes about unfair suicide ganking date back from BEFORE the suicide gank nerf, and even CCP agreed that the suicide ganking mechanics were not balanced at that time. Funny, as CCP even states its intention to remove insurance from concord-related events. The most ironic part is that Ankh didn't ask for these measures. She asked for player-driven justice, aka PVP means to deal with it.
- Ankh has stated clearly that she is pro-pvp, small-gang warfare and factional warfare being mentioned throughout the years as areas in need of improvement.
- Ankh not responding well to criticism? As you can see, she remains relatively calm and polite despite all the bull****, flaming and trolling going on. As seen from prior campaign threads, if Ankh would keep responding, it would just degenerate into a flame-war. The trolls do not read nor care about the answers she gives, as displayed clearly in the start of the thread where there is clear selective quoting and twisting of her statements by her opponents. I applaud it that Ankh ignores the trolls and remains constructive under the circumstances.
- Chatlogs: Could as well be fabrications, some people have already pointed out errors in several of them, and Ankh denied the authenticy of at least one of them.
Good job throwing your credibility and that of EVE Tribune out of the window by using a troll thread as only source and not conducting proper hearing nor doing your own research.
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Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
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Posted - 2010.05.13 09:46:00 -
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Couldn,t resist.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.13 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito
To be fair I do not have all love and roses for Ankhesentapemkah's viewpoints. She has expressed the desire to remove the covering of the expenses for CSM members to go to the Iceland Summit.
Where did you get that from?
I said CCP should not pay the Fanfest tickets, of course they should be paying the CSM summit expenses.
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:13:00 -
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Well, looks like all the hate failed.
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:14:00 -
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*gets popcorn*
*sits comfortably*
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Shivani
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:19:00 -
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Ankh got - mainly due to the bull**** that is happened on this forum - 7 votes from me.
I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors?
Cheap, really cheap propaganda. EVE Tribune = epic fail.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:23:29
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:21:59
Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:19:56
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Good job throwing your credibility and that of EVE Tribune out of the window by using a troll thread as only source and not conducting proper hearing nor doing your own research.
QFT
Now, thanks to all this dirt being lifted, i am actually voting for Ankhesentapemkah with my alt. Did you get what you wanted now? HOw do you like that, huh?
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I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors?
It's not pvpers- i am a pvper, and i would still like them, say, improving missions or mining. It just politics- people throwing dirt at each-other.
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motivations into question.
Tribune - is only one ****ing reason anyone has a CV in the first place, that is to get employed, and get a good job. We are all guilty of those motives. And i do not give a crap about the CV. How i don't give a crap about tribune either.
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Resonanza
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Korvin
Edited by: Korvin on 13/05/2010 10:04:18
Couldn't resist.
Heh, dude, aren't you attending for CSM as well? Are you that desperate, that you have to troll some misinforming anti-propaganda thread?
That's 11 more votes for Ankh by me and my familly.
Go, Ankh, go!!
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Galgacus
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shivani
Ankh got - mainly due to the bull**** that is happened on this forum - 7 votes from me.
And 8 from me. Thanks for all the comedy.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/05/2010 11:41:45
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself?
I have seen gossip columnists do better.
By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you?
[15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime.
[15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch.
[15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people.
From crying to laughing in one fell swoop. How's that working out for you?
Did your petition for Navy Domi work out? Or are you still yelling:
[09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull**** game
[09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull**** game
[09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull**** game
Now to be fair I think the eve-tribune is utterly full of ****. Then again..so are you so it seems all works out well in the end dontcha think? Balance and all that.
And by the way....your inability to comment regarding:
1-your belonging to a pvp alliance and never participating beyond raging when caught in yet another ****-fit Domi and popped.
2-your complete inexperience regarding pvp mechanics, sov mechanics, ship fitting, etc
3-your stated belief that something called puzzle pirates>eve
4-your stated beleif that "eve is a bull**** game"
etc etc etc etc
does not equate to "disproven" hon  
p.s. do dutch jails serve free spliffs?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shivani
I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors?
This carebear persecution complex is fascinating. Ankh did well to capitalise on it.
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Caoim Fearghul
Caldari
The First Church of the Azure Carrot
The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.13 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself?
I have seen gossip columnists do better.
By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you?
Shouting "irrelevant" is not disproving anything. I'd like to point out that you haven't even denied any of the logs posted by myself and others of your time in AFC. I'll also invite anyone that thinks I'm a forum alt or related to another candidate or just an annoyed PVP'er to check out my info in game. You'll see I was indeed alongside Ankh in AFC, that I'm not much of a PVP'er (I flew in CVA for a while after all ) and have an honestly fairly poor set of battleclinic stats, but I also have experience with POS operations, logistics and mission running as can be seen from my standings. I don't particularly care who amongst the other candidates gets onto the CSM, I just feel Ankh is the worst possible person to represent EVE from all those available. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather have my toaster on the CSM than her. At least it wouldn't be quite so dishonest and hostile to what EVE is.
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Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
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Posted - 2010.05.13 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Resonanza
Heh, dude, aren't you attending for CSM as well? Are you that desperate, that you have to troll some misinforming anti-propaganda thread?
That's 11 more votes for Ankh by me and my familly.
Go, Ankh, go!!
Why should they profit on that? (or maybe Ankh instead)
I want pie too :D
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction.
My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs.
It isnÆt easy for me to explain the differences between American and European employment on this forum without a very long post but what I can do is point out to you a few things that may make it clearer to you.
Firstly UK CVÆs wouldnÆt normally have a miscellaneous experience section. A UK employer would actually expect volunteer or part time work to be listed as your employment history.
Secondly it would be expected although not mandatory for your CV to be accompanied with a ôCovering letterö.
If you downloaded the pdf from her website you will note that there are 4 pages. 2 pages are the CV and 2 are the covering letter. If you read the covering letter. She states ôI have been elected council member of Eve OnlineÆs Council of Stellar Management.ö She continues to explain what was involved.
Attending an interview in the UK your CV and covering letter would be discussed. Issues like pay, duties, work hours and contract agreements would be discussed for both the job you are attending the interview for and your previous employment.
If Eva was from the UK CCP would be considered a previous employer. By UK law she was an employee of CCP.
I am not from the Netherlands but as far as I can see she has said nothing misleading at all in her employment application.
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Kuluskitur
Dominion Experiments
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Posted - 2010.05.13 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kuluskitur on 13/05/2010 13:42:20
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction.
In the Netherlands, a CV usually only has these sections:
- Personal/Contact Information
- Work Experience
- Education
- Misc Skills / Hobbies / Interests
See intermediar.nl for examples.
It is often stongly encouraged to fit your CV on a single page or two pages at most, thus having more sections isn't practical. Relevant volunteer work clearly belongs to the Work Experience section, in particular if it was your main work-related activity at that time.
In addition to that is a covering letter that provides more details about your prior activities and what you learned from them. It is also used to explain why you want to work for company X and what you want out of a job (while the covering letter is usually changed based on the company you apply for, Eva has a generic one on her site)
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs.
Did you bother doing some actual research here, like any independent reporter should, or did you just listen to the trolls? The covering letter explains exactly what it is and what she did there.
And under Dutch law, Eva has been an 'unpaid employee', for which a contract of employment is not a requirement.
Most of the other accusations in the article are equally unfounded. I think the only unfit person here is you, Miyamoto. Unfit for the position of reporter, that is.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself?
The vast majority of everything that's cited in the article are your own words posted by you on the EVE forums. Your only possible counter-arguments are to one point where Miya stated that you "appear" to believe something (that hasn't been disproven so much as challenged) and one other post at Kugu. Everything else is you, posting here.
If you can actually prove that either of those comments were false you're welcome to email such evidence to the Tribune and we'll take a look at it. But denial is not rebuttal.
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine.
European or American, putting down working at the CSM as if it was employment in the video games industry is deceptive and misleading. As part of the CSM she does not handle "game design". She is not a dev. CSM members make non-binding suggestions to CCP, the same as any player posting on the forums but the CSM has a bit more clout. The CSM advises CCP, and they then choose to either accept or reject suggestions and how to implement them. Casting the CSM as a dev's position is misleading, at best. "Served as liaison between player base and developers" is accurate. "Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, documentation" is not unless she was hired on as a dev and/or wrote their documentation hers.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.13 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Shivani
I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors?
This carebear persecution complex is fascinating. Ankh did well to capitalise on it.
It's almost like RL politics!
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Kuluskitur
Dominion Experiments
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Posted - 2010.05.13 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
The vast majority of everything that's cited in the article are your own words posted by you on the EVE forums. Your only possible counter-arguments are to one point where Miya stated that you "appear" to believe something (that hasn't been disproven so much as challenged) and one other post at Kugu. Everything else is you, posting here.
If you can actually prove that either of those comments were false you're welcome to email such evidence to the Tribune and we'll take a look at it. But denial is not rebuttal.
Selective quoting FTW. No-where in this article are Eva's counterarguments presented. The article only presents arguments in favor of the claim that Ankh is unfit and what not, while there is plenty of material everywhere that proves the contrary. There is plenty of rebuttal in the thread itself, and also in previous campaign threads of her (Cause this isn't the first time all this crap has been brought up) which simply is not included in the article. There are half a dozen posts in which Eva counters the "UO justice" whining. The article refers to the "UO justice" thingie, but never makes any mention of the clarifications. The article is one big pile of libel, bias and even some outright falsehoods.
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
European or American, putting down working at the CSM as if it was employment in the video games industry is deceptive and misleading. As part of the CSM she does not handle "game design". She is not a dev. CSM members make non-binding suggestions to CCP, the same as any player posting on the forums but the CSM has a bit more clout. The CSM advises CCP, and they then choose to either accept or reject suggestions and how to implement them. Casting the CSM as a dev's position is misleading, at best. "Served as liaison between player base and developers" is accurate. "Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, documentation" is not unless she was hired on as a dev and/or wrote their documentation hers.
Nowhere is she claiming she was a dev, go go strawman tactics! And see the two posts above your own for proof that it is not normal, but in fact encouraged to write the CV in the manner she did. Selective reading, eh? And this calls himself an editor?
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