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Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 05:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 05:47:58 TLDR: Read this editorial, explaining why the EVE Tribune is asking you NOT to vote for Ankhesentapemkah. Long version: My fellow players, I feel that it is worth announcing here that the EVE Tribune, New Eden's oldest and most established independent newspaper, has taken the extraordinary and for us unprecedented step of formally urging our readers not to vote for Ankhesentapemkah for the CSM. You can read my editorial setting out our case against her here. Though due to the limitations of time and space I have dealt with only some of the very serious problems with Ankh's record, we feel that the case we have laid out is simply too damning to even consider voting for this deeply flawed candidate. It is our considered opinion that Ankh is morally and temperamentally unsuitable to sit on the Council of Stellar Management. Simply put, we believe that she is the worst candidate currently running. Rest assured that this decision was taken after careful consideration with the Tribune's management, and with full understanding of the importance of our role as independent reporters in the democratic process. Again, we most sincerely urge all of our fellow players not to vote Ankhesentapemkah. Thank you for your time.
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 06:21:00 - [2] I agree with you that Ankhesentapemkah isnÆt a suitable candidate in my opinion. I do feel that you are biased. I am a pvper but I know very well that there are many many pilots who would tell you that for them Eve Online isnÆt about pvp and have no interest in it. That that is their choice. I feel that I should say that EvaÆs choice to list her volunteer work for CCP would in the UK not only be quite legitimate but also encouraged.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 06:32:00 - [3] Originally by: ViolenTUK I feel that I should say that EvaÆs choice to list her volunteer work for CCP would in the UK not only be quite legitimate but also encouraged. Would it be encouraged to list that as actual employment, without specifying that it's par- time volunteering, or the elected nature of the position? Also I don't oppose voting for other carebear candidates. I won't vote for one since they won't represent my personal interests as an empire/lowsec pvper, but there are certainly qualified carebears out there who I would love to see on the CSM.
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 06:58:00 - [4] Edited by: ViolenTUK on 13/05/2010 07:06:47 Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Would it be encouraged to list that as actual employment, without specifying that it's par- time volunteering, or the elected nature of the position? Yes! I have looked at her CV and it is perfectly acceptable. She has listed her employer, job title and duties. Volunteer work in the UK is ôactualö employment.
Athena Olympus	Posted - 2010.05.13 06:59:00 - [5] Biggest load of a steamin pile of crap ive ever read, change the bloody record, its a bloody CV not a official application form and tbh noone i know cares except for a few and a army of alts belonging to the other CSMs Ankh''''''' is one CSM out of quite a few - im sure if she suggested anything that isnt suitable in their and CCP's opinion then it wouldnt even be considered, items i have been reading lately seem to be written by a army of alts with personnal agenda's Ive read her past suggestions and votes and she has voted in favour of a no' of items suggested by most other CSM's, does that make those suggestions laughable because she cast her vote agreeing with them? You guys are embaressing
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.13 07:27:00 - [6] I am tired of this BS. 1 Opinion is opinion and not *fact. 2 CCP decides if a candidate is qualified. If a candidate is not then they are not allowed to enter the race. - as to your editorials points 3 Term Limits. Yes, there is a down side to lifting them. Just as there is a downside to having them in the first place. Never the less with them lifted there is nothing wrong with running, even if you do not believe the term limits have not been lifted. So we have a pointless point in the end. 4 The resumT issue. Who the flipping hell CARES*!!!! This does not matter one damn bit. Her CV has nothing to do what so ever to do with her qualifications as CSM. Sure she brought it up, if you don't like it fine but in ether case it is not important. 5 Anti-PvP. CSM is a body made up of multiple members, each representing (ideally) a number of different perspectives and backgrounds. One member can not change the game. The CSM can not change the game. The CSM helps present and prioritize player issues with the game. One member will not change the nature of Eve or CCP. To think otherwise is folly, to put it nicely. 6 My CSM Election Announcement
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.13 08:08:00 - [7] I dont give a rats behind about the CV thing - employers should check relevant references in any case. However, I dont understand how anyone would support someone who would stoop so low as to abuse the parent of a disabled child and blame them for causing the disability. Candidly, I think that's on a par with or maybe even worse than racial abuse, which is something that even the "socipathic bullies" who make up the PVP community in EVE have never tolerated. I've disagreed with Eva on a number of game related issues, but that revealing little display of viciousness puts her beyond the pale as a person.
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.13 08:08:00 - [8] You guys are an embarrassment for independent journalism. Have you contacted Ankh to see what she had to say? Her thread IS trolled, and the comments you are quoting are outdated, most of them date back BEFORE Ankh has even been on the CSM, and during a time where there indeed WAS no consequence for suicide ganking (there were tactics to avoid getting a secloss alltogether!) and Concord took ages to show up. Your article is horribly one-sided and most of your so-called facts are simply wrong. Which candidate paid you to post this crap? Plus, being from the Netherlands and being owner of a small business, I can attest that Ankh's CV is perfectly fine. *** We fight for Freedom!
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 08:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Kuluskitur Plus, being from the Netherlands and being owner of a small business, I can attest that Ankh's CV is perfectly fine. OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction. My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.13 08:53:00 - [10] No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself? I have seen gossip columnists do better. By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you?

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 09:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you? For the record, I believe Ankh is referring here to the Tribune's editor-in-chief, FinnAgain Zero.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.13 09:14:00 - [12] While I agree with the fundamental message, all I found in the article was a tl;dr of a forum thread and some potshots at EVE, CCP, and aspects of the game I happen to quite enjoy. Sounds like a whiny PvPer. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Stevakis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.13 09:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Stevakis on 13/05/2010 09:47:42 I find it funny that the first two paragraphs are basically an apology to the reader that publishing trasharticles like these are the wrong thing to do, and attempt to spin thin justifications for doing it anyway. Everything you claim in this article is wrong: The things she put in her CV are not only perfectly acceptable, they are also totally irrelevant to her bid for CSM. The only reason it is in her thread is because her opponents use it to fling mud (with the alts of the opponents then trying to make mountains out of this non-issue) The thing about UOs justice system have been clarified several times in the topic, but the trolls keep bringing it up and ignoring the clarifications, as did you. Like Kuliskitur said, Ankh's quotes about unfair suicide ganking date back from BEFORE the suicide gank nerf, and even CCP agreed that the suicide ganking mechanics were not balanced at that time. Funny, as CCP even states its intention to remove insurance from concord-related events. The most ironic part is that Ankh didn't ask for these measures. She asked for player-driven justice, aka PVP means to deal with it. Ankh has stated clearly that she is pro-pvp, small-gang warfare and factional warfare being mentioned throughout the years as areas in need of improvement. Ankh not responding well to criticism? As you can see, she remains relatively calm and polite despite all the bull****, flaming and trolling going on. As seen from prior campaign threads, if Ankh would keep responding, it would just degenerate into a flame-war. The trolls do not read nor care about the answers she gives, as displayed clearly in the start of the thread where there is clear selective quoting and twisting of her statements by her opponents. I applaud it that Ankh ignores the trolls and remains constructive under the circumstances. Chatlogs: Could as well be fabrications, some people have already pointed out errors in several of them, and Ankh denied the authenticy of at least one of them. Good job throwing your credibility and that of EVE Tribune out of the window by using a troll thread as only source and not conducting proper hearing nor doing your own research.
Korvin Gallente Shadow Kingdom	Posted - 2010.05.13 09:46:00 - [14] Couldn,t resist. VOTE....... ...FOR..... .....KORVIN
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.13 10:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Ashina Sito To be fair I do not have all love and roses for Ankhesentapemkah's viewpoints. She has expressed the desire to remove the covering of the expenses for CSM members to go to the Iceland Summit. Where did you get that from? I said CCP should not pay the Fanfest tickets, of course they should be paying the CSM summit expenses.
Galgacus	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:13:00 - [16] Well, looks like all the hate failed.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:14:00 - [17] gets popcorn sits comfortably
Shivani	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:19:00 - [18] Ankh got - mainly due to the bull**** that is happened on this forum - 7 votes from me. I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors? Cheap, really cheap propaganda. EVE Tribune = epic fail.
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:23:29 Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:21:59 Edited by: Maxsim Goratiev on 13/05/2010 11:19:56 Quote: Good job throwing your credibility and that of EVE Tribune out of the window by using a troll thread as only source and not conducting proper hearing nor doing your own research. QFT Now, thanks to all this dirt being lifted, i am actually voting for Ankhesentapemkah with my alt. Did you get what you wanted now? HOw do you like that, huh? Quote: I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors? It's not pvpers- i am a pvper, and i would still like them, say, improving missions or mining. It just politics- people throwing dirt at each-other. Quote: motivations into question. Tribune - is only one ****ing reason anyone has a CV in the first place, that is to get employed, and get a good job. We are all guilty of those motives. And i do not give a crap about the CV. How i don't give a crap about tribune either.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Korvin Edited by: Korvin on 13/05/2010 10:04:18 Couldn't resist. Heh, dude, aren't you attending for CSM as well? Are you that desperate, that you have to troll some misinforming anti-propaganda thread? That's 11 more votes for Ankh by me and my familly. Go, Ankh, go!!

Galgacus	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Shivani Ankh got - mainly due to the bull**** that is happened on this forum - 7 votes from me. And 8 from me. Thanks for all the comedy. o7
RuleoftheBone Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:40:00 - [22] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 13/05/2010 11:41:45 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself? I have seen gossip columnists do better. By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you? [15:33:37] Ankhesentapemkah > Funny, I spoke with a law student and slandering me on the forums is actually a violation of dutch law and punishable with a maximum of 6 months of jailtime. [15:33:46] Ankhesentapemkah > despite the forums not being dutch. [15:34:46] Ankhesentapemkah > Lets see if I can sue some people. From crying to laughing in one fell swoop. How's that working out for you? Did your petition for Navy Domi work out? Or are you still yelling: [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull** game [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game [09:28:58] Ankhesentapemkah > I'm just sick of this bull game Now to be fair I think the eve-tribune is utterly full of . Then again..so are you so it seems all works out well in the end dontcha think? Balance and all that. And by the way....your inability to comment regarding: 1-your belonging to a pvp alliance and never participating beyond raging when caught in yet another -fit Domi and popped. 2-your complete inexperience regarding pvp mechanics, sov mechanics, ship fitting, etc 3-your stated belief that something called puzzle pirates>eve 4-your stated beleif that "eve is a bull** game" etc etc etc etc does not equate to "disproven" hon p.s. do dutch jails serve free spliffs?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Shivani I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors? This carebear persecution complex is fascinating. Ankh did well to capitalise on it. - DesuSigs - Now with ThreadAssignÖ and SigSelectÖ
Caoim Fearghul Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.13 11:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself? I have seen gossip columnists do better. By the way what's up with the people from Razor alliance you've been in close contact with about this? How much did they pay you? Shouting "irrelevant" is not disproving anything. I'd like to point out that you haven't even denied any of the logs posted by myself and others of your time in AFC. I'll also invite anyone that thinks I'm a forum alt or related to another candidate or just an annoyed PVP'er to check out my info in game. You'll see I was indeed alongside Ankh in AFC, that I'm not much of a PVP'er (I flew in CVA for a while after all ) and have an honestly fairly poor set of battleclinic stats, but I also have experience with POS operations, logistics and mission running as can be seen from my standings. I don't particularly care who amongst the other candidates gets onto the CSM, I just feel Ankh is the worst possible person to represent EVE from all those available. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather have my toaster on the CSM than her. At least it wouldn't be quite so dishonest and hostile to what EVE is. Prodesse Non Nocere
Korvin Gallente Shadow Kingdom	Posted - 2010.05.13 12:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Resonanza Heh, dude, aren't you attending for CSM as well? Are you that desperate, that you have to troll some misinforming anti-propaganda thread? That's 11 more votes for Ankh by me and my familly. Go, Ankh, go!! Why should they profit on that? (or maybe Ankh instead) I want pie too :D VOTE....... ...FOR..... .....KORVIN
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 12:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction. My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs. It isnÆt easy for me to explain the differences between American and European employment on this forum without a very long post but what I can do is point out to you a few things that may make it clearer to you. Firstly UK CVÆs wouldnÆt normally have a miscellaneous experience section. A UK employer would actually expect volunteer or part time work to be listed as your employment history. Secondly it would be expected although not mandatory for your CV to be accompanied with a ôCovering letterö. If you downloaded the pdf from her website you will note that there are 4 pages. 2 pages are the CV and 2 are the covering letter. If you read the covering letter. She states ôI have been elected council member of Eve OnlineÆs Council of Stellar Management.ö She continues to explain what was involved. Attending an interview in the UK your CV and covering letter would be discussed. Issues like pay, duties, work hours and contract agreements would be discussed for both the job you are attending the interview for and your previous employment. If Eva was from the UK CCP would be considered a previous employer. By UK law she was an employee of CCP. I am not from the Netherlands but as far as I can see she has said nothing misleading at all in her employment application.
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.13 13:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Kuluskitur on 13/05/2010 13:42:20 Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction. In the Netherlands, a CV usually only has these sections: - Personal/Contact Information - Work Experience - Education - Misc Skills / Hobbies / Interests See intermediar.nl for examples. It is often stongly encouraged to fit your CV on a single page or two pages at most, thus having more sections isn't practical. Relevant volunteer work clearly belongs to the Work Experience section, in particular if it was your main work-related activity at that time. In addition to that is a covering letter that provides more details about your prior activities and what you learned from them. It is also used to explain why you want to work for company X and what you want out of a job (while the covering letter is usually changed based on the company you apply for, Eva has a generic one on her site) Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs. Did you bother doing some actual research here, like any independent reporter should, or did you just listen to the trolls? The covering letter explains exactly what it is and what she did there. And under Dutch law, Eva has been an 'unpaid employee', for which a contract of employment is not a requirement. Most of the other accusations in the article are equally unfounded. I think the only unfit person here is you, Miyamoto. Unfit for the position of reporter, that is. *** We fight for Freedom!
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No hearing, no double checking, quoting stuff that has already been disproven even in the thread itself? The vast majority of everything that's cited in the article are your own words posted by you on the EVE forums. Your only possible counter-arguments are to one point where Miya stated that you "appear" to believe something (that hasn't been disproven so much as challenged) and one other post at Kugu. Everything else is you, posting here. If you can actually prove that either of those comments were false you're welcome to email such evidence to the Tribune and we'll take a look at it. But denial is not rebuttal. Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. European or American, putting down working at the CSM as if it was employment in the video games industry is deceptive and misleading. As part of the CSM she does not handle "game design". She is not a dev. CSM members make non-binding suggestions to CCP, the same as any player posting on the forums but the CSM has a bit more clout. The CSM advises CCP, and they then choose to either accept or reject suggestions and how to implement them. Casting the CSM as a dev's position is misleading, at best. "Served as liaison between player base and developers" is accurate. "Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, documentation" is not unless she was hired on as a dev and/or wrote their documentation hers. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.13 14:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Shivani I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors? This carebear persecution complex is fascinating. Ankh did well to capitalise on it. It's almost like RL politics! VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:07:00 - [30] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero The vast majority of everything that's cited in the article are your own words posted by you on the EVE forums. Your only possible counter-arguments are to one point where Miya stated that you "appear" to believe something (that hasn't been disproven so much as challenged) and one other post at Kugu. Everything else is you, posting here. If you can actually prove that either of those comments were false you're welcome to email such evidence to the Tribune and we'll take a look at it. But denial is not rebuttal. Selective quoting FTW. No-where in this article are Eva's counterarguments presented. The article only presents arguments in favor of the claim that Ankh is unfit and what not, while there is plenty of material everywhere that proves the contrary. There is plenty of rebuttal in the thread itself, and also in previous campaign threads of her (Cause this isn't the first time all this crap has been brought up) which simply is not included in the article. There are half a dozen posts in which Eva counters the "UO justice" whining. The article refers to the "UO justice" thingie, but never makes any mention of the clarifications. The article is one big pile of libel, bias and even some outright falsehoods. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero European or American, putting down working at the CSM as if it was employment in the video games industry is deceptive and misleading. As part of the CSM she does not handle "game design". She is not a dev. CSM members make non-binding suggestions to CCP, the same as any player posting on the forums but the CSM has a bit more clout. The CSM advises CCP, and they then choose to either accept or reject suggestions and how to implement them. Casting the CSM as a dev's position is misleading, at best. "Served as liaison between player base and developers" is accurate. "Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, documentation" is not unless she was hired on as a dev and/or wrote their documentation hers. Nowhere is she claiming she was a dev, go go strawman tactics! And see the two posts above your own for proof that it is not normal, but in fact encouraged to write the CV in the manner she did. Selective reading, eh? And this calls himself an editor? *** We fight for Freedom!

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:21:00 - [31] Originally by: Kuluskitur Selective quoting FTW. So sure they're her quotes, in her own words, expressing her own views... but can't we at least ignore them? Originally by: Kuluskitur The article only presents arguments in favor of the claim that Ankh is unfit and what not Congratulations, you understand the concept of an editorial arguing against a candidate. Originally by: Kuluskitur The article refers to the "UO justice" thingie, but never makes any mention of the clarifications. So in other words it was 100% accurate, but if someone later tries to retract their statement and change it with "but what I really meant was..." then the facts are no longer facts and they've been rebutted. I think that's known as the Mel Gibson Gambit. I don't think things work that way. Originally by: Kuluskitur Nowhere is she claiming she was a dev I've noted that quite a few of you who have taken to supporting Ank do so with this blatantly fictional stuff. It is interesting that you folks feel that the truth won't do to support your claims. When someone puts down "game development" on their CV as a function of a job, it implies, get this, that job included game development. That is, that they were acting as a developer. Of course, by your denial here I trust you're agreeing that she wasn't really developing anything for CCP and shouldn't have claimed that she acting as a developer in her role as player liaison. Progress is being made. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Niraia Gallente Shut Up And Play WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Malcanis I dont understand how anyone would support someone who would stoop so low as to abuse the parent of a disabled child and blame them for causing the disability. Candidly, I think that's on a par with or maybe even worse than racial abuse, which is something that even the "socipathic bullies" who make up the PVP community in EVE have never tolerated. I agree, that's terrible. What an awful person. Why are people actually trying to defend this spiteful, pretentious, useless individual? Are they alts?
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 15:58:00 - [33] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero European or American, putting down working at the CSM as if it was employment in the video games industry is deceptive and misleading. It is not deceptive. It is not misleading. The CV & covering letter is for a prospective employer. Eva described her duties. She also gave contact information for CCP games who would be quite willing for verify what she had done. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero "Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, documentation" is not unless she was hired on as a dev and/or wrote their documentation hers. It is very clear that her job as a CSM fills Game Design, Game Mechanics Analyisis & Documentation. Her job as CSM would mean she would need to talk to developers about game design and Game mechanics and to document that. She is not misleading anyone by saying that. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero When someone puts down "game development" on their CV as a function of a job, it implies, get this, that job included game development. If this was the only thing in her CV and covering letter it might be misleading. Since she covered what that meant in her covering letter and provided a reference for her duties she was not being misleading. The truth is right there in her CV and covering letter. Anyone reading this thread can take a look if they so wished. They will see for themselves that she is not misleading anyone. I do not consider your failure to understand a simple CV and covering letter as evidence to the contrary.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:07:00 - [34] Originally by: ViolenTUK It is not deceptive. It is not misleading. Yes, it is. She did not serve as a dev. The fact that she gave a contact to verify that does not change the fact that it wasn't true in the first place. If the CSM are devs, then anybody who posts suggestions on the forums are also engaged in "game development". ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:10:00 - [35] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Yes, it is. She did not serve as a dev. The fact that she gave a contact to verify that does not change the fact that it wasn't true in the first place. If the CSM are devs, then anybody who posts suggestions on the forums are also engaged in "game development". No it isn't. You are Replying as if she called herself a "dev". At no time on her CV or covering letter did she do that.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:13:00 - [36] Originally by: ViolenTUK You are Replying as if she called herself a "dev". At no time on her CV or covering letter did she do that. See, if you can't even get the very basic facts straight, what does the rest of your rant mean? If someone says they engaged in "game design", they're saying they were, get this, designing a game. That's what a dev does. Again, by your rationalizations anybody who posts any advice for the game on the forums is a "game designer". This shows the quality of your argument. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:26:00 - [37] Edited by: ViolenTUK on 13/05/2010 16:39:06 Edited by: ViolenTUK on 13/05/2010 16:36:55 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero See, if you can't even get the very basic facts straight, what does the rest of your rant mean? If someone says they engaged in "game design", they're saying they were, get this, designing a game. That's what a dev does. Again, by your rationalizations anybody who posts any advice for the game on the forums is a "game designer". This shows the quality of your argument. You canÆt get the basic facts right can you? She did not say she was engaged in "game designö You are the only one saying that. The words ôGame Designö are mentioned on her CV. This doesnÆt mean she is calling herself a Game Designer or a game Developer. You are the only one saying that. There is no way my rationalizations would mean anyone who posts any advice for the game on these forums is a ôGame designerö. You are the only one saying that. The fact remains that Eva at no point said she was a ôgame designerö or "game developer" for CCP. You are the only one saying that. You have no argument at all.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:39:00 - [38] Originally by: ViolenTUK She did not say she was engaged in "game designö You are the only one saying that. Again, the fact that you're reduced to such obvious dishonesty and you can't even stick to the basic facts that are in black and white kind of shows what your argument is about. You are now honestly claiming that when she says that her work on the CSM included "game design" that she wasn't really saying she was engaged in "game design". Who do you think you're fooling, exactly? Just to point out your deception here: Originally by: ViolenTUK She did not say she was engaged in "game designö The words ôGame Designö are mentioned on her CV. If you can't even keep your deceptions straight from one paragraph to another.... And yes, someone who engages in game design is a game designer. Isn't it just strange how that works? Originally by: ViolenTUK There is no way my rationalizations would mean anyone who posts any advice for the game on these forums is a ôGame designerö. The fact that you are arguing against your own logic just shows the quality of that logic. If Ank is engaged in "game design" by making suggestions to CCP, so is everybody who does it on the forums. But you claim that they're obviously not but she's not being dishonest when she claims the exact, same, thing. The sheer amount of dishonesty Ank's fans have used says all that needs to be said. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Bioinf2005	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Eva's CV 2008-2009 CCP Games Hf., Reykjavik Council of Stellar Management Player-Developer Communication, Game Design, Game Mechanics Analysis, Documentation, Wiki-implementation ..
ViolenTUK Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:49:00 - [40] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: ViolenTUK She did not say she was engaged in "game designö You are the only one saying that. Again, the fact that you're reduced to such obvious dishonesty and you can't even stick to the basic facts that are in black and white kind of shows what your argument is about. You are now honestly claiming that when she says that her work on the CSM included "game design" that she wasn't really saying she was engaged in "game design". Who do you think you're fooling, exactly? Just to point out your deception here: Originally by: ViolenTUK She did not say she was engaged in "game designö The words ôGame Designö are mentioned on her CV. If you can't even keep your deceptions straight from one paragraph to another.... And yes, someone who engages in game design is a game designer. Isn't it just strange how that works? Originally by: ViolenTUK There is no way my rationalizations would mean anyone who posts any advice for the game on these forums is a ôGame designerö. The fact that you are arguing against your own logic just shows the quality of that logic. If Ank is engaged in "game design" by making suggestions to CCP, so is everybody who does it on the forums. But you claim that they're obviously not but she's not being dishonest when she claims the exact, same, thing. The sheer amount of dishonesty Ank's fans have used says all that needs to be said. I am not dishonest. You are just wrong. The fact still remains she did not call herself a ôdevö at anytime on her CV or covering letter.

Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.13 16:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku New Eden's oldest and most established independent newspaper You might want to change that from now on. A newspaper is purely for covering the news on an unbiased base. By urging people in a very distinctive way to vote in a certain way you just lost your newspaper worthyness and aren't anything more than a propaganda machine for a party or against a party. If you just post ALL the facts and then let people decide for themselves you would have been a newspaper. By this action you clearly pointed out that you are not about covering the news but are also about making the news which is far from what real journalism is about.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku EDIT: for instance, I personally would love to see Omber Zombie get elected again, everything I've heard is that he's a fantastically hard worker and has done a great job. umm, thanks I think? I'm happy to be interviewed any time you like, omberozombero\|@\|gmail.com (remove the \|'s obviously) ---------------------- My Blog
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Killer Gandry A newspaper is purely for covering the news on an unbiased base. By urging people in a very distinctive way to vote in a certain way you just lost your newspaper worthyness and aren't anything more than a propaganda machine for a party or against a party. Have you ever considered learning what you're talking about before you make claims? Newspapers have had editorials for quite some time, and the NY Times is hardly 'no longer a newspaper' if they endorse a candidate. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:16:00 - [44] Funny, all the big badass PvPlers come out together with all of the PvP orientated "cool" CSM kids and cry about a person who wants to make EVE a better game for both the PVE players ind Empire AND the PvP people. And all that is sponsored by some so called "Eve Magazine", a propaganda tool for all the cool gankers and gate campers? I wouldn't vote on some CSMs (=Korvin) comming ot this thread and whining about a competing candidate. Epic Fail there.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:20:00 - [45] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 17:21:08 Originally by: Resonanza a person who wants to make EVE a better game for both the PVE players ind Empire AND the PvP people. No, that's the point. Ank doesn't understand EVE, doesn't grok what makes it good, and her ideas would hurt the game for everybody. Originally by: Resonanza a propaganda tool for all the cool gankers and gate campers? Yes yes, there's an elaborate conspiracy. Against you. Hide! ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:22:00 - [46] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Have you ever considered learning what you're talking about before you make claims? Newspapers have had editorials for quite some time, and the NY Times is hardly 'no longer a newspaper' if they endorse a candidate. Ow I know exactly what I am talking about. Editorials are pieces in a newspaper which give a certain journalist or columnist a spot to point out their point of vieuw, this however isn't the point of vieuw of the newspaper. And no the NY Times isn't exactly an example of a newspaper when it started to take sides. Offcourse people will argue about it. But one of the first things a real journalist and editor learns is that the newscoverage should be unbiased and open. What path they chose afterwards is a whole other story, but you can check with any real reputable journalist that being unbiased in newscoery is the keystone in journalism. As soon as the unbiased newscoverage is hapered with the journalist, editor or newspaper loses the keypart of it's credebility. Mainly due to the fact that you can start doubleguessing any coverage in a certain direction as being partially build up on biased assumptions and blowing out of proportion or smoothed down if it's something they favoured for in the passt.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Killer Gandry Ow I know exactly what I am talking about. Editorials are pieces in a newspaper which give a certain journalist or columnist a spot to point out their point of vieuw, this however isn't the point of vieuw of the newspaper. Again, learn what you're talking about. Newspapers endorse candidates and argue against candidates all the time. In each and every single election cycle. Originally by: Killer Gandry And no the NY Times isn't exactly an example of a newspaper when it started to take sides.[...]the first things a real journalist and editor learns is that the newscoverage should be unbiased and open. Every newspaper endorses candidates come election time. It's okay if you support Ank, but these silly rationalized attacks are just laughable. Your back-of-a-cereal-box-wisdom is not impressive. But you're more than welcome to find reputable ombudsmen sanctioning newspapers for making endorsements. Knock yourself out. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.13 17:41:00 - [48] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Ashina Sito To be fair I do not have all love and roses for Ankhesentapemkah's viewpoints. She has expressed the desire to remove the covering of the expenses for CSM members to go to the Iceland Summit. Where did you get that from? I said CCP should not pay the Fanfest tickets, of course they should be paying the CSM summit expenses. Oops, I guess I misread your post. Would you like a blanket removal of the comment or an leave it up with an edit? (I am gonna edit it atm.) My CSM Election Announcement
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Killer Gandry on 13/05/2010 18:22:17 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Your back-of-a-cereal-box-wisdom is not impressive. But you're more than welcome to find reputable ombudsmen sanctioning newspapers for making endorsements. Knock yourself out. You can troll as much as you want, you are clearly not a newspaper but a supporttool for a certain direction which clearly makes you nothing more than a propaganda tool. Ow and if you want some reputable ombudsmen or women to give their opinion about this I will dig up some and guess what, then you will start to nag they aren't reputable since they aren't the ones you deem to be reputable. The states have this amendment which guarantees freedom of speech so ofcourse it's impossible to sanction newspapers for being a biased bunch of people rooting for one side and making offbalance reports. As long as they don't lie it's fine, it's not asif you can fine them for only "discovering"half the truth and then defending the fact they do a biased newscovery by hiding behind all kinds of judicional crap. It's fine, but don't try to rebottle with what certain newspapers do that clearly are funded in some way by a side and as such have to adjust their "newscoverage" which in turn has nothing to do with pure journalism. Endorsing a candidate is a whole other ballpark than calling to NOT vote for someone else by highlighting certain parts and not all of it so it fit's your propaganda. It just makes your candidate look insecure of his own merits.
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:24:00 - [50] And just for you to have a thourough read. Failing to uphold standards Such a code of conduct can, in the real world, be difficult to uphold consistently. Journalists who believe they are being fair or objective may give biased accountsùby reporting selectively, trusting too much to anecdote, or giving a partial explanation of actions. (See Media bias.) Even in routine reporting, bias can creep into a story through a reporter's choice of facts to summarize, or through failure to check enough sources, hear and report dissenting voices, or seek fresh perspectives. A news organization's budget inevitably reflects decision-making about what news to cover, for what audience, and in what depth. Those decisions may reflect conscious or unconscious bias. When budgets are cut, editors may sacrifice reporters in distant news bureaus, reduce the number of staff assigned to low-income areas, or wipe entire communities from the publication's zone of interest. Publishers, owners and other corporate executives, especially advertising sales executives, can try to use their powers over journalists to influence how news is reported and published. Journalists usually rely on top management to create and maintain a "firewall" between the news and other departments in a news organization to prevent undue influence on the news department. One journalism magazine, Columbia Journalism Review, has made it a practice to reveal examples of executives who try to influence news coverage, of executives who do not abuse their powers over journalists, and of journalists who resist such pressures. Self-censorship is a growing problem in journalism, particularly in covering countries that sharply restrict press freedom. As commercial pressure in the media marketplace grows, media organizations are loath to lose access to high-profile countries by producing unflattering stories. For example, CNN admitted that it had practiced self-censorship in covering the **** ***** regime in Iraq in order to ensure continued access after the regime had thrown out other media. CNN correspondent Christiane Amanpour also complained of self-censorship during the invasion of Iraq due to the fear of alienating key audiences in the US. There are claims that the media are also avoiding covering stories about repression and human rights violations by the Israeli and Iranian regimes in order to maintain a presence in those countries. Reporting versus editorializing Generally, publishers and consumers of journalism draw a distinction between reporting ù "just the facts" ù and opinion writing, often by restricting opinion columns to the editorial page and its facing or "op-ed" (opposite the editorials) page. Unsigned editorials are traditionally the official opinions of the paper's editorial board, while op-ed pages may be a mixture of syndicated columns and other contributions, frequently with some attempt to balance the voices across some political or social spectrum. The distinction between reporting and opinion can break down. In the UK, the Press Complaints Commission states that "the Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact" but some commentators have suggested there can sometimes be a blurring of opinion and fact. Complex stories often require summarizing and interpretation of facts, especially if there is limited time or space for a story. Stories involving great amounts of interpretation are often labelled "news analysis," but still run in a paper's news columns. The limited time for each story in a broadcast report rarely allows for such distinctions.

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:30:00 - [51] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 18:31:30 Pathetic. You just vomited up a bunch of text that has nothing to do with papers endorsing candidates. How hard is it to figure out WTF you're talking about before you say stuff? Originally by: Killer Gandry You can troll as much as you want, you are clearly not a newspaper but a supporttool for a certain direction which clearly makes you nothing more than a propaganda tool. Ahhh, you're hitting all the dodges. Anybody who points out the facts must be a troll, because only trolls use facts and anybody who disagrees with you mus be part of an evil propaganda conspiracy. Huzzah. Originally by: Killer Gandry Ow and if you want some reputable ombudsmen or women to give their opinion about this I will dig up some and guess what You won't be able to because you're making stuff up as fast as you can type. But good preemptive dodge on that one too. Originally by: Killer Gandry The states have this amendment which guarantees freedom of speech so ofcourse it's impossible to sanction newspapers for being a biased bunch of people rooting for one side and making offbalance reports. Again you're making stuff up as fast as you can type. That's an ombudsman's job. Originally by: Killer Gandry Endorsing a candidate is a whole other ballpark than calling to NOT vote for someone else Again, discover what you're talking about before you talk about it. When you have an election that is a zero-sum game, saying that you should only vote for one gay means that everybody else shouldn't be voted for and thus, not elected. If a newspaper says "vote for Candidate A for president, not Candidate B" guess who they've just argued you should not vote for? ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:51:00 - [52] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero saying that you should only vote for one gay means I understand that this is mistake on your part but if this mistake was printed in a newspaper your career would be over. What does that say about you?
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:56:00 - [53] EVE TRIBUNE. Now Propaganda machine for 0.0 PvP alliances. In a desperate attempt to take wind out of Ankhesentapemkah's sails the EVE TRIBUNE, once a reputable newspaper, has dropped from it's unbiased journalism and has started to openly chose sides. It is still unclear what drove this former newspaper to such action but it surely has thrown a dark blemish on what once was a newsgathering newspaper. Ethical and moral standards of Journalism thrown off it has chosen to do a frontal attack towards Ankhesentapemkah in an attempt to discourage people to chose this CSM candidate. Might this be due to financial or other bonds with some people in RAZOR Alliance which franticly is trying to convince people that this is still legitimate journalism? Or are there more powers in the North trying to smear another CSM's run for the CSM? This makes one wonder, when looking at all the forum threads and responces in them, why people are so afraid of this Ankhesentapemkah getting into the CSM that they have to pull out every gun at their disposal to make her candidacy as hard as possible. I myself am not convinced Ankhesentapemkah is the most suitable candidate, but she clearly is the one with the highest profile. My suggestion is that people read what each candidate stands for and looks for the one who suits them most and votes for said candidate. IF the candidae doesn't uphold as he or she promoted then the election base can write to CCP and ask for clarification of CCP and if needed a formal petition of the playerbase for removal of said candidate for running under false pretences.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:57:00 - [54] Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 13/05/2010 18:57:55 Originally by: Stevakis Like Kuliskitur said, Ankh's quotes about unfair suicide ganking date back from BEFORE the suicide gank nerf, and even CCP agreed that the suicide ganking mechanics were not balanced at that time. Funny, as CCP even states its intention to remove insurance from concord-related events. Funny story - the quotes about how suicide gankers are evil and need to be driven out of empire entirely do date from before the nerf, but one would assume that the nerf would hardly be sufficient to satisfy someone with such extreme positions. However, even after the nerf - as recently as this campaign, in fact - she's made comments about how suicide ganking needs significant further nerfing. It's on the first page of her campaign thread, for example. In other words, the nerf hasn't satisfied her. Originally by: Kuluskitur Selective quoting FTW. No-where in this article are Eva's counterarguments presented. The article only presents arguments in favor of the claim that Ankh is unfit and what not, while there is plenty of material everywhere that proves the contrary. So what you're saying is that an editorial in a newspaper is picking a side of the debate and advocating for it? Why, if you ignore the last four centuries of newspaper publishing, that's almost shocking. Originally by: Shivani Ankh got - mainly due to the bull** that is happened on this forum - 7 votes from me. I guess you PvPlers can't stand a person, who speaks and stands up for the producers, miners, traders as well? SO you have to spread lies and rumors? Cheap, really cheap propaganda. EVE Tribune = epic fail. Find me any PvPer knowledgeable about the CSM who has bad things to say about Omber Zombie, LaVista Vista, or Z0D - three past "carebear" reps that actually have a clue. Nobody is opposed to the non-combat parts of the game being improved. People are opposed to someone who seemingly misunderstands and resents the PvP parts of the game. Originally by:** ViolenTUK No it isn't. You are Replying as if she called herself a "dev". At no time on her CV or covering letter did she do that. She listed game development as a job responsibility. That would make her a game developer. What do you think "dev" is an abbreviation for? Originally by: Killer Gandry Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku New Eden's oldest and most established independent newspaper You might want to change that from now on. A newspaper is purely for covering the news on an unbiased base. By urging people in a very distinctive way to vote in a certain way you just lost your newspaper worthyness and aren't anything more than a propaganda machine for a party or against a party. If you just post ALL the facts and then let people decide for themselves you would have been a newspaper. By this action you clearly pointed out that you are not about covering the news but are also about making the news which is far from what real journalism is about. Have you ever actually read the sort of newspaper that comes on actual paper? Past the third page, I mean. Originally by: Vinjita Originally by: FinnAgain Zero saying that you should only vote for one gay means I understand that this is mistake on your part but if this mistake was printed in a newspaper your career would be over. What does that say about you? Presumably, it says that he writes for a newspaper that doesn't keep multiple proofreaders as full-time paid staff.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 18:59:00 - [55] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 19:05:23 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Presumably, it says that he writes for a newspaper that doesn't keep multiple proofreaders as full-time paid staff. Heh. I am interested in the logic here though. I had a typo and right clicked to fix it without checking closely and clicked the wrong word. Therefore, papers fire people who write typos. Therefore, it really shows something important about me. I don't know why Ank's supporters can't just say "Yeah, she's said a whole lot of stuff that shows she doesn't understand EVE and would harm the game and she's highly offensive to those people who engage in the content that CCP promotes as its end-game material... but we like her anyways." I doubt anybody would have a problem with that (much). But "troll troll troll!" doesn't cut it. Although one nitpick, Ank defined her job duties as "game design" and technically not "game development", but they're synonyms and she wasn't involved in either let alone as a job duty. Originally by: Vinjita I understand that this is mistake on your part but if this mistake was printed in a newspaper your career would be over. What does that say about you? You folks are hilarious. Although this new tempest in a tea pot about a mistaken right click to fix a red lined word does say a bit about you. This thread is turning into pure comedy gold. Can I hear some more about journalistic standards? ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Vinjita Originally by: FinnAgain Zero saying that you should only vote for one gay means I understand that this is mistake on your part but if this mistake was printed in a newspaper your career would be over. What does that say about you? It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Malcanis It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child. By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:07:00 - [58] Originally by: Killer Gandry EVE TRIBUNE. Now Propaganda machine for 0.0 PvP alliances. In a desperate attempt to take wind out of Ankhesentapemkah's sails the EVE TRIBUNE, once a reputable newspaper, has dropped from it's unbiased journalism and has started to openly chose sides. It is still unclear what drove this former newspaper to such action but it surely has thrown a dark blemish on what once was a newsgathering newspaper. Ethical and moral standards of Journalism thrown off it has chosen to do a frontal attack towards Ankhesentapemkah in an attempt to discourage people to chose this CSM candidate. Might this be due to financial or other bonds with some people in RAZOR Alliance which franticly is trying to convince people that this is still legitimate journalism? Or are there more powers in the North trying to smear another CSM's run for the CSM? Whoa we're a mouthpiece for RAZOR now? Finn, does that mean I get a raise? ITT: People complaining that a newspaper editorial expressed an opinion, and that that opinion was biased. In other news, I am shocked--shocked!--to find that gambling is going on in
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:13:00 - [59] Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 19:17:32 Originally by: Malcanis It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child. By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article. Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Whoa we're a mouthpiece for RAZOR now? Finn, does that mean I get a raise? ITT: People complaining that a newspaper editorial expressed an opinion, and that that opinion was biased. In other news, I am shocked--shocked!--to find that gambling is going on Funny, aint it? We're not just a mouthpiece of RZR, but evidently all 0.0 alliances, because we all know that they speak with a unified voice. It's interesting, as this is a milestone in the history of the Tribune. People used to accuse us of being puppets of this alliance or that alliance, but now we're evidently puppets of all of 0.0, in toto. And no, all those Tech moons are mine. P.S. Even funnier, not only have we not endorsed the RZR CSM candidate, but we haven't even interviewed him. That just shows how beholden we are to RZR's views on the CSM. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:23:00 - [60] Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:24:31 Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:23:48 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 19:16:03 Originally by: Malcanis It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child. By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article. Bottom of this, and top of the next post. Insert standard disclaimer about how chatlogs may be forged, etc. But near as I can tell Ankh never denied making that statement. Her only response (that I found) was the following: Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless.

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. Sure sounds like she was not only refraining from denying it, but trying to excuse it. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:31:00 - [62] [19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 19:38:00 - [63] Ahahahahah. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.05.13 20:52:00 - [64] Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 13/05/2010 20:51:53 Bump so everyone will know the truth about this candidate Vote for Ankhesentapemkah = RUIN THE GAME WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE!!
Zarch AlDain GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.05.13 21:07:00 - [65] Eve Tribune writers have bias, it's unavoidable really. We also get accused of far more bias than we really have, but that's a different story! That bias is why we have always offered anyone who disagrees with one of our articles the opportunity to write a counterpoint. (Obviously with the understanding that they need to raise genuine points/demonstrate sources/be reasonably well written/etc). That will be published and the person who writes it will be paid at the same rates as our writers. That offer has never been taken up. When offering interviews to all CSM Candidates (which will still include Ankh should she decide to run for future CSMs and be willing to be interviewed - which I will fully understand if she does not) I try to be as neutral/positive as possible. In fact you can see my interview with her in last week's issue. Other writers though are also free to hold and expose their own opinions, and in this case the majority of our editorial staff agreed with the opinion of the writer so it has also been adopted as the Tribune's position. Anyone expecting impartiality from newspapers has clearly never read one. We just finished an election in the UK and the level of bias in our papers was incredible. It's human nature when you believe something to try and get others to believe it too.
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2010.05.13 21:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Eve Tribune writers have bias, it's unavoidable really. We also get accused of far more bias than we really have, but that's a different story! That bias is why we have always offered anyone who disagrees with one of our articles the opportunity to write a counterpoint. (Obviously with the understanding that they need to raise genuine points/demonstrate sources/be reasonably well written/etc). That will be published and the person who writes it will be paid at the same rates as our writers. That offer has never been taken up. I wanted to go on the record as confirming that this is true. Some "interesting" comments were made about me in the context of "Larkgate". I was contacted and offered an opportunity to offer any sort of rebutal I thought was appropriate in response. I started to respond, had some RL distractions and by the time I could get back to it I realized I'd just as soon let the whole matter pass. I have no doubt that the "Tribune" would be glad to offer Ank a chance to respond to the editorial. If she is upset I think she'd be better off exploring the possibility of creating a clever and insightful rebutal to the editorial instead of insinuating she is pursuing the possibility of justice in the Dutch courts. (/me wonders if the trial would be held in Jita) The Eve Tribune is an amazing resource to the Eve comminity. An editorial related to CSM elections seems totally consistent with what I would expect from our best "Space Paper". I can understand how someone that supports Ank might dissagree with the editorial but how they can then twist that into an attack on the Tribune's integrity eludes me. To the folks that complain that this editorial somehow is inconsistent with a great newspaper all I can say is "what about political editorials in a newspaper" do you not undertand? Issler Dainze Just renewed her virtual subscription to the Eve Tribune for life!
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.13 22:06:00 - [67] Yep. I already offered, in this thread, to retract anything that Ank can actually show is untrue. It seems unlikely, as all the quotes were either from Ank's own posts on EVE-O or from chats whose participants have verified their accuracy. At best it seems that her response might be along the lines of her fans'. That being said, if Ank can actually muster a cogent, coherent response we'll be happy to publish it and pay her for her time. Doesn't seem likely though. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.05.13 22:15:00 - [68] Eve tribune is indeed a great resource for the eve community. Nevertheless this article was horrible. (I gave more of an analysis of why the article stunk in the comment section of the article itself. And no I do not like Ank.) Eve trib is great for articles on game mechanics, tactics and strategy. But often the writers disdain for eve pilots who do things other than pvp is a bit overbearing.
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.05.13 22:23:00 - [69] While i think CSM is a sham, if there is one single candidate that you should NOT vote for, it is most definatly Ankhesentapemkah. Not only because she's probably born in kenya, but also because of the pure sleazy methods she has used to harvest votes. Telling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example. Vote Abstain - Let YOUR voice be heard. (Not Theirs)
Aliariam Caldari The First Church of the Azure Carrot The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2010.05.13 22:32:00 - [70] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Originally by: Malcanis It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child. By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article. Happy to confirm that the chat logs are accurate. Sadly I don't have the originals, just what I copied into an email, however everything from when Ankh first spoke in corp chat to when the conversation turned back to a discussion of the sorry state of the CVA jump bridge network is there. Feel free to PM me in game if you need further info.

Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.05.13 23:09:00 - [71] Aliariam I just wanted to say that although I don't think eve trib did a good job on this article that doesn't mean I think what ank said was in any way acceptable. It was completly out of line and standing alone is good enough reason to not vote for her. I think it indeed shows she does not care about the people flying the pixel ships, and given her claims in that regard, that is really eyeopening. I hope you don't let people who make comments like that get you down, and I wish you the best.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.14 08:45:00 - [72] Edited by: Resonanza on 14/05/2010 08:46:28 Edited by: Resonanza on 14/05/2010 08:45:46 Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...] Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there? Quote: Telling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example. Well all CSM farm votes more or less in the same manner. You forgot to mention those PvP-orientated CSM who really want level 4 mission removed from highsec empire and all PvE with that: Originally by: Corbeau Lenoir Highsec rebalancing Level4 highsec missions are one big mistake. CCP should move them to lowsec or reduce mission rewards. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261 So stop telling and spreading lies and crap here. The majority of CSM are PvP only players, who care a **** about us PvE players. But we are the majority of EvE players and we want to be heard as well. Ankh is our candidate. Of you don't agree with her opinions about EvE, that's fine. But personal attacks and discrediting someone, just before you detest the opion of that person, that is a low blow.
Zarch AlDain GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2010.05.14 10:04:00 - [73] Edited by: Zarch AlDain on 14/05/2010 10:04:43 Actually there are a number of "carebear" candidates out there and this is the only one Tribune has run a negative article about. http://match.eve-csm.com/ will allow you to find candidates who share your point of view on many matters or if you read the interviews run on Eve Tribune over the last few weeks you can see that a number of those are not interested in PvP.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.14 11:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh. I totally hope she does this.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.14 11:28:00 - [75] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto [19:30:50] Ankhesentapemkah > I'l looking at a lawsuit to EVE tribune now tbh. I totally hope she does this. Same, it would be hilarious. I'd be up for donating to get a decent defence (defense?) lawyer. VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Virtuozzo Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.14 12:38:00 - [76] Originally by: Kuluskitur And under Dutch law, Eva has been an 'unpaid employee', for which a contract of employment is not a requirement. I do apologise, but under Dutch law that is not correct. An unpaid employee, regardless of a format of 0 hour or ad hoc, has a contract, this is required by law to protect the employee. A volunteer has an agreement. The difference between these formats may often escape observation, is very often mostly irrelevant to the person in question, but constitutes quite a tangible difference to the employer since it is the employer which has to set aside good old monies for a range of legally required purposes (insurance, for one, pension fund, andsoforth). Keep in mind the legal status of employee in the Netherlands, in fact in most countries of the EU, something which does not apply to a volunteer status. I don't particularly care for all the drama, and I must admit, I have seen my share of c.v.'s with far stranger collusions, in the range of a few dozen a year, but please note the difference between these formats. Technically, factually, or even principally, Ankh should not have listed her activities as employment. Practically, it is not uncommon to see people make mistakes like these, and quite often it is found that even though the actions reside in the category of volunteer work they do form a base of experience. Sometimes even expertise. Whether this was the case, constituted relevance or the absence of, that was up to her employer when validating the c.v. prior to engaging in contract. This is irrelevant for the debate here. ≡v≡
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.14 13:23:00 - [77] No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe Maybe I'm hoping a bit much from an in-game publication, but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action" Possibly the lure was too great. I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. Isn't there voting involved in CSM ? So like seriously, since the ideas are not gonna get traction and CCP definitely won't get swayed with stuff like PVP is bad .... why systematically tear her apart Found some easy prey and suddenly everyone is at their trolling best feeding off themselves Weak sauce To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before. I even recon some of them still get back in despite that due to political backing /e-fame ? Based on the attendance records and actual contribution seems that a few others enjoy a free ride & that seems like quite the travesty I guess that's much "tougher topic' so no need for tribune to go out of its way to ruffle feathers Maybe If you really want to make some "public service announcement" the editor would consider something not so opportunistic & don't stoop to bashing someone who is already down
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.14 13:52:00 - [78] Originally by: Stovo kor No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe So, even if her character flaws are obvious and proven by her own words expressing her own views, posted on her own account... it was wrong to point them out and represents some sort of extreme effort on our part. Seriously? Originally by: Stovo kor but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action" The Victimology nonsense does nobody any good. What we saw was a candidate manifestly unsuited for a position on the CSM, so we gathered the facts and wrote the piece. You seem to agree with it. If she was a strong candidate then we wouldn't have had "easy prey", now would we? Originally by: Stovo kor I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. It's fairly obvious, actually. We can have a CSM with as many capable, knowledgeable people as possible, able to speak intelligently and constructively about all aspects of the game. Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition. When faced with the option between those who can contribute and those who can only hinder, why would you argue that we should have someone who hinders the process because, hey, they can be outvoted anyways? Originally by: Stovo kor To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before. No. To put it in context while there are candidates who aren't great or who are even bad, none approaches the level of Ank. Which yet again, is why she's unsuitable for the CSM and why even you admit that she's "easy prey". ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
T'Amber www.shipsofeve.com	Posted - 2010.05.14 14:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Terminal InsanityTelling mission runners that voting for her would stop lvl4 missions being moved to lowsec, for example. [/quote Did I miss a patch note?? Why would they move level 4s to lowsec? On another note, while all this is extremely interesting its not to my taste; everyone has something in their past that the public can pull apart and torment them with and/or expressed extremely stupid things and changed their mind about it later. All these comments have the potential to significantly boosting her ratings and chances of getting a full seat as she'd probably not have had so much limelight with so many great candidates this round; this is a game where people love tears and I hope for your sake that karma is looking the other way when people are selecting someone to vote for. -T'amber POLITICS:SIMULATORÖ
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.14 15:44:00 - [80] Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...] Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there? It's an obvious joke. Read up on the original "born in Kenya" debate here Originally by: Resonanza So stop telling and spreading lies and crap here. The majority of CSM are PvP only players, who care a **** about us PvE players. But we are the majority of EvE players and we want to be heard as well. Ankh is our candidate. There are very, very few people in Eve rich enough to be PvP only players, unless you think ratting or missioning with an alt is PvP.

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.14 15:47:00 - [81] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Terminal Insanity Not only because she's probably born in kenya[...] Do you have a problem with ppl born outside of teh US, let alone Kenya? Do i smell racism there? It's an obvious joke. Read up on the original "born in Kenya" debate here No use arguing with him the guy has as much humour as the pieces of roten shark they feed you in Iceland. VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.14 18:13:00 - [82] Originally by: Sokratesz No use arguing with him the guy has as much humour as the pieces of roten shark they feed you in Iceland. I've done a lot of internet arguing. A surprisingly large amount was done with the knowledge that I didn't have a hope of changing the mind of the person I was directly arguing against. It's done for the benefit of onlookers, who usually aren't nearly as pigheaded as the people who are actually willing to spend their time yelling at people they'll never meet about issues that don't really matter.
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Stovo kor No matter what this Ank characters flaws the Tribune going out of its way to discredit her kinda made me cringe Originally by: FinnAgain Zero So, even if her character flaws are obvious and proven by her own words expressing her own views, posted on her own account... it was wrong to point them out and represents some sort of extreme effort on our part. Seriously? There is already a juicy thread on that topic of exposing her various flaws So why does a 'newspaper? ' need to jump on the bandwagon and crucify her. Seems opportunistic from a neutral perspective I mean the same publication is running interviews with CSM candidates If said publication was so concerned about policing 'weak' CSM candidates or whatever it would have done so on a regular basis towards other characters that don't perform. Originally by: Stovo kor but seems like the editor saw some easy prey & decided to get in on some "cheap action" Originally by: FinnAgain Zero The Victimology nonsense does nobody any good. What we saw was a candidate manifestly unsuited for a position on the CSM, so we gathered the facts and wrote the piece. You seem to agree with it. If she was a strong candidate then we wouldn't have had "easy prey", now would we? I am opposed to Ank's views for the most part. I support PVP / suicide ganking and all other kind of 'bad' things that make EVE the sandbox it is. But it doesn't change the fact she is expressing an opinion. This opinion might be shared by many in the 'Carebears & Co' crowd Just cause the PVP /0.0 crowd is more vocal on the forums should not be an excuse to go full swing characters assassination on Ank from a newspaper Originally by: Stovo kor I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero It's fairly obvious, actually. We can have a CSM with as many capable, knowledgeable people as possible, able to speak intelligently and constructively about all aspects of the game. Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition. When faced with the option between those who can contribute and those who can only hinder, why would you argue that we should have someone who hinders the process because, hey, they can be outvoted anyways? Even if Anks views are out there isn't EVE a sandbox that caters to various play styles and isn't CSM a democratic process Let it run its course. CCP is not going to jeopardize the core tenants of its sandbox game. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Or we can have some of those folks and some others whose very presence has to be neutralized and who would do real damage to the game if they were able to implement their views unfettered by opposition. CCP is under no obligation to implementation ideas from this CSM conduit. So unfettered and real damage don't come into the picture. CSM is an ingenious way to get the playerbase vested and involved. Its also partial PR exercise. But don't be under any illusion. CCP has its own priority Q Hindering or alternate views Is it a group of people that are infallible and their way is the only way. Even good ideas have unforeseen circumstances If CSM is about catering to one segment that is beyond reproach then I guess thats hindering. Originally by: Stovo kor To put it in context, there have been many bad candidates before. No. To put it in context while there are candidates who aren't great or who are even bad, none approaches the level of Ank. Which yet again, is why she's unsuitable for the CSM and why even you admit that she's "easy prey". Some CSM members not contributing once elected. Isn't that more fail ? Those are "touchy' subjects so lets go full swing and bash a easy prey
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.15 06:55:00 - [84] Originally by: Stovo kor There is already a juicy thread on that topic of exposing her various flaws So? Your argument is essentially a claim that since it's news, we shouldn't comment on it. And of course the point wasn't that the rest of the candidates are perfect, but that Ank is clearly unsuitable for a position on the CSM, for reasons detailed at length. Originally by: Stovo kor But it doesn't change the fact she is expressing an opinion. "But it's only my opinion!" is the dodge of those who can't back up their claims. So what if her views are her opinions? Her opinions show she's not a suitable candidate for the CSM. Nor, should I add, are quoting her own words "character assassination". If the things she's said reflect so poorly on her, does that speak to the nature of her views, or the wrongness in pointing out her views? Originally by: Stovo kor I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game. Even if she can't, she'd take up a CSM spot which could be filled by someone who can actually do some good and CSM members will have to counteract her influence. Like I just said and you just quoted. Originally by: Stovo kor Even if Anks views are out there isn't EVE a sandbox that caters to various play styles and isn't CSM a democratic process Nobody, at all, has said we should eliminate or hobble PvE. Nobody is saying she's unsuitable for the CSM because she's a bear, but because of her lack of knowledge about the game, venomous hatred for PvP'ers, etc... (in other words, you're saying someone should be entitled to her own opinion when that opinion is that nobody else should be entitled to their own opinions). And I'm not sure exactly what you think democracy means. It doesn't mean that candidates can run for positions without being challenged or that voters can't make mistakes. Originally by: Stovo kor Some CSM members not contributing once elected. Isn't that more fail ? No. A CSM member who is actively bad is worse than an empty chair. I would, in fact, vote for an empty chair before I'd vote for Ank. Originally by: Stovo kor Those are "touchy' subjects so lets go full swing and bash a easy prey Again, if she's such "easy prey" that shows she's not a good candidate. People wouldn't have to be complaining about the fact that it's so easy to point out her flaws if she was a strong candidate. "she's a weak candidate, so don't point out how weak a candidate she is" is simply not persuasive.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.15 07:05:00 - [85] Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination.
Ecatherina W Gallente AAA.FSI Holding Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.15 07:45:00 - [86] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku OK, I've heard from a few Europeans now that Ankh's CV is fine. Perhaps this is because I'm an American, but as a general rule we don't cite part-time volunteer experience as part of the employment history, but rather as part of a miscellaneous experience section. So my first problem in particular with that entry is that it suggests that it was a full-time job, not part-time volunteer work. This appears inaccurate, but I can see how there might be different conventions in Europe. If I can get more confirmation that things are done differently on the other side of the pond, and Dutch/European CVs include part-time volunteer work as part of the employment section without some kind of differentiation, as Ankh does, then I'll gladly post a correction. My second problem, which perhaps I should have made more clear, is that Ankh was not hired by CCP--i.e., the award-winning company which has developed a highly successful MMO--but rather elected by the player base--i.e., people who pretend to fly internet spaceships. This strikes me as fundamentally misleading, and something that cannot be easily explained away by different cultural conventions for CVs. Danes don't. I know a lot about CVs. Listing CCP as a job for a CSM is ... embellishing. *** Empress of the Multiverse *** CEO of AAA.FSI Holding
Xutech	Posted - 2010.05.16 03:14:00 - [87] If I eat at McDonalds, do I have experience working for McDonalds? If I live in a house, can I offer to build or design them? How many other claims of hers are based around the same spurious logic that visiting CCP as a guest is the equivalent of at least a year of experience working for that company, having been successful against other applicants whose CVs are of a similar, accredited quality? The fact that she is willing to take advantage of the ignorance of potential employers to gain a job requiring experience and training speaks volumes about her attitude to any role she is given. It is not the size of the details upon which she lied, or even about what subject. It is the fact that she is happy to lie in her life to people who trust her to act responsibly. If she can risk the success of one business by lying, why should we trust her to give a week of advice, paid, to CCP?.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.16 03:57:00 - [88] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination. Well, obviously, since it's her own words that reflect poorly on her own character, it's not character assassination. It's character suicide. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.16 11:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:24:31 Edited by: Miyamoto Isoruku on 13/05/2010 19:23:48 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 13/05/2010 19:16:03 Originally by: Malcanis It says that he's not a guy who supports someone who abuses the mother of a disabled child. By the way, can I get a cite for that? If it's true it belongs in the article. Bottom of this, and top of the next post. Insert standard disclaimer about how chatlogs may be forged, etc. But near as I can tell Ankh never denied making that statement. Her only response (that I found) was the following: Originally by: "Ankhesentapemkah" For those that whine about it, I'd like a copy of all their EVE chat logs in my mail. Won't be much effort to snip stuff out of there to paint you like a liar, thief, ****, antisocial **, and mentally unstable character. With enough digging, enough can be found about everyone. Anyway, I don't feel the need to comment about the particular accusations this time either, because they are irrelevant and meaningless. Is ANk related to Joe? Sounds like the stuff he says... ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.05.16 17:04:00 - [90] Dang, I knew I should've voted for Ank. Anyone's who's raised enough ire and bile for a concentrated smear campaign deserves at least a vote

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.16 17:39:00 - [91] Can we please get a new troll tactic? I mean, I know that Ank's own words make her seem kinda nutty, but claiming that we're "smearing" her by quoting her own words is getting kind of old and the inherent dishonesty is auto-refuting. Maybe the next troll should be that we hacked Ank's accounts and used them to say things that made her look bad as part of our 'smear' campaign, that we've been planning for years? ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Digital Solaris Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.16 18:19:00 - [92] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Can we please get a new troll tactic? I mean, I know that Ank's own words make her seem kinda nutty, but claiming that we're "smearing" her by quoting her own words is getting kind of old and the inherent dishonesty is auto-refuting. Maybe the next troll should be that we hacked Ank's accounts and used them to say things that made her look bad as part of our 'smear' campaign, that we've been planning for years? Ahh.. the things I'd do to her characters if I hacked her account.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.05.16 21:02:00 - [93] Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Can we please get a new troll tactic? I mean, I know that Ank's own words make her seem kinda nutty, but claiming that we're "smearing" her by quoting her own words is getting kind of old and the inherent dishonesty is auto-refuting. Maybe the next troll should be that we hacked Ank's accounts and used them to say things that made her look bad as part of our 'smear' campaign, that we've been planning for years? Ahh.. the things I'd do to her characters if I hacked her account. Fit some ships properly, join intel channels, configure the overview properly, that kind of thing?
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.16 22:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Can we please get a new troll tactic? I mean, I know that Ank's own words make her seem kinda nutty, but claiming that we're "smearing" her by quoting her own words is getting kind of old and the inherent dishonesty is auto-refuting. Maybe the next troll should be that we hacked Ank's accounts and used them to say things that made her look bad as part of our 'smear' campaign, that we've been planning for years? Ahh.. the things I'd do to her characters if I hacked her account. Fit some ships properly, join intel channels, configure the overview properly, that kind of thing? I lol'ed ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2010.05.16 22:05:00 - [95] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Digital Solaris Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Can we please get a new troll tactic? I mean, I know that Ank's own words make her seem kinda nutty, but claiming that we're "smearing" her by quoting her own words is getting kind of old and the inherent dishonesty is auto-refuting. Maybe the next troll should be that we hacked Ank's accounts and used them to say things that made her look bad as part of our 'smear' campaign, that we've been planning for years? Ahh.. the things I'd do to her characters if I hacked her account. Fit some ships properly, join intel channels, configure the overview properly, that kind of thing? Get her alts to scout instead of posting crap in her thread? You know, play eve, that kind of thing?
Riedle Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2010.05.17 15:53:00 - [96] Originally by: ViolenTUK I agree with you that Ankhesentapemkah isnÆt a suitable candidate in my opinion. I do feel that you are biased. I am a pvper but I know very well that there are many many pilots who would tell you that for them Eve Online isnÆt about pvp and have no interest in it. That that is their choice. ... and that would be fine but she is actively trying to prevent others from pvping. Copiche?
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.18 11:03:00 - [97] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination. I was commenting from the perspective that your "publication" is going out of its way to do this. Personally I am not opposed to the forum discussion on Ank. Looks like an easy target Tribune decided to jump on. From a neutral perspective it looks opportunistic. Lets see If you take on 'tougher targets' in the future .... Thats why I posted. Still not making sense ? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ ps. Razor dude : I guess everyone that disagrees with you is a troll ....
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.18 14:48:00 - [98] Originally by: Stovo kor Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination. I was commenting from the perspective that your "publication" is going out of its way to do this. Personally I am not opposed to the forum discussion on Ank. Looks like an easy target Tribune decided to jump on. From a neutral perspective it looks opportunistic. Lets see If you take on 'tougher targets' in the future .... Thats why I posted. Still not making sense ? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ ps. Razor dude : I guess everyone that disagrees with you is a troll .... Dear Stovo, Ankh is an "easy target", as you put it, because she is so thoroughly, clearly, and totally awful as a CSM candidate. And yes, we did go out of our way to do this. We did so because we decided that it was worth doing whatever we could to attempt to convince people that she should not be elected, because we believe she would be awful for the game if she were. We have no intention of taking on "tougher targets" in future CSM races because by definition a "tougher target" would be a better candidate. So according to your reasoning, the Tribune was wrong to publish an editorial criticizing Ankh because she is so utterly terrible a candidate that doing so was essentially shooting fish in a barrel, and unsporting. But it would have been OK for the Tribune to criticize a better candidate, because s/he would have had more of a fair, fighting chance. Do you have any idea how dumb this argument makes you look? Love, Miya PS: Your perspective isn't neutral. PPS: I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the paragraph. You two really should meet sometime.
Asuri Kinnes Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.19 00:30:00 - [99] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku PS: Your perspective isn't neutral. You take your internet spaceships way too seriously... m'kay? I would like to thank all the Anti-Ahnk's for giving her so much publicity, that any non-pvp minded person in the game (who hasn't been living in a veldspar 'roid for the last month) now knows who she is and how much she annoys pvp'rs... Hell, with all the free publicity given to an alleged anti-pvp candidate, she might even end up on the CSM... As chairperson... I think your editorial might have been far more effective if you had ignored the person, and instead let her threads die for lack of use... Guess we shall see very soon, but I fear that all the publicity is going to ensure her a place on the 5th CSM... Good job guys.... Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.19 01:16:00 - [100] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku PS: Your perspective isn't neutral. You take your internet spaceships way too seriously... m'kay? I would like to thank all the Anti-Ahnk's for giving her so much publicity, that any non-pvp minded person in the game (who hasn't been living in a veldspar 'roid for the last month) now knows who she is and how much she annoys pvp'rs... Hell, with all the free publicity given to an alleged anti-pvp candidate, she might even end up on the CSM... As chairperson... I think your editorial might have been far more effective if you had ignored the person, and instead let her threads die for lack of use... Guess we shall see very soon, but I fear that all the publicity is going to ensure her a place on the 5th CSM... Good job guys.... She was going to win either way. She has her constituency, and it'll vote for her no matter what we say. And it's not like we can say anything to change their minds, because they'll interpret any of our complaints as evil PvPers trying to ruin their game. The harder we hit - even if it's justified - the less they'll listen. All this is a fart in a windstorm for her chances, tbh. The electoral system simply doesn't make it possible to attack someone out of the race. Which is good in principle - it ensures even the small, disliked groups get representation - but man can it be annoying in practice.

Quincy TawHarr Minmatar Easter Corporation Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.19 01:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Hell, with all the free publicity given to an alleged anti-pvp candidate, she might even end up on the CSM... As chairperson... That would be very, very amusing with a nice dash of irony. On a side note, I actually thought the article was a pretty well done opinion piece. A bit long for my tastes in editorials but pretty solid none the less. I thought the CV bit was a little much. Listing CSM as employment is only a stretch if she can't leverage it in an interview. It would be nice if you had listed the term Editorial in the title ... however looking at week 20 you've done just that so tip of the hat for a lesson well learned. Anything that generates this much discussion deserves more praise than flames in my humble opinion. I assume this has been said before, however I would wager that A--h success stems less from her carebear tendancies (a group which I certainly tend to fall under) and more to do with the perception that the CSM is dominated by the null sec players.
Emo TJ Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.05.19 03:35:00 - [102] BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON CCP DID NOT RECIEVE MY APPLICATION FOR CSM I HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE NEXT BEST THING. SO FAR THE BEST IS HANDS DOWN ANKHESENTAPEMKAH. THE ONLY THING THE REST OF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT LAG AND BEING BLOBBED OUT. NOT ONLY DO YOU CLEARLY NOT GET EVE, BUT YOU CRY ABOUT MAKING EVE INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT. MY VOTE GOES TO ANKHESENTAPEMKAH!
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 03:49:00 - [103] Look, Look: All the "kewl" PvP Kids, the Gank-Griefers and wannabe Pirates come out and cry here. Ohhh the irony. So much whine from the cool Class of EvE, from the People who can't accept and face the fact - the Reality - that EVE is not only a PvP Game but as well a PvE Game. And now those, who redicule and mock about the so called "Carebears" and their "whines" are whining for themselves, because a Person is nominated, who Stands up for BOTH sides: PvE and PvP. I wonder, why no campaign was started against those CSM candidates who wat to nerf the **** out of Empire carebears... It's all so obvious. Deal with it and deal with it in an educated and mature manner: Now us PvE Players, us suicid gank victims you laughed so loud at, we have a candidate as well. You like PvP? You are one of the kewl Kids? Well, time to respect "our" candidate, as us PvE-Folks pay as mch for this Game as you do. Now go, gank someone and cry me a River.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.19 04:20:00 - [104] Originally by: Resonanza And now those, who redicule and mock about the so called "Carebears" and their "whines" are whining for themselves, because a Person is nominated, who Stands up for BOTH sides: PvE and PvP. I wonder, why no campaign was started against those CSM candidates who wat to nerf the ** out of Empire carebears... It's all so obvious. When exactly did Ankh start standing up for PvP? Because last I checked, she considers shooting other players to be immoral. Also, precisely which CSM candidates want to "nerf the ** out of Empire carebears"? I actually looked into people's answers on CSM Vote match. There are exactly zero candidates with any hope of winning who are strongly in favour of moving L4's to lowsec(the standard measure of how much you want to nerf carebears), and three serious candidates who are even vaguely in favour. The idea that there's any sort of serious movement afoot to wreck empire is sheer fantasy.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 04:20:00 - [105] Hello, alt.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.19 04:23:00 - [106] Originally by: Resonanza Look, Look: All the "kewl" PvP Kids, the Gank-Griefers and wannabe Pirates come out and cry here. Ohhh the irony. So much whine from the cool Class of EvE, from the People who can't accept and face the fact - the Reality - that EVE is not only a PvP Game but as well a PvE Game. And now those, who redicule and mock about the so called "Carebears" and their "whines" are whining for themselves, because a Person is nominated, who Stands up for BOTH sides: PvE and PvP. I wonder, why no campaign was started against those CSM candidates who wat to nerf the **** out of Empire carebears... It's all so obvious. Deal with it and deal with it in an educated and mature manner: Now us PvE Players, us suicid gank victims you laughed so loud at, we have a candidate as well. You like PvP? You are one of the kewl Kids? Well, time to respect "our" candidate, as us PvE-Folks pay as mch for this Game as you do. Now go, gank someone and cry me a River. This post is pure ressentiment. Judging by your post, you're not voting for Ankh because you think she's the best candidate, because she'll improve the game the most, because her ideas are the best, because you think she'll best represent your interests. No, you're voting for Ankh because you want to stick it to PVPers, who you resent for being "the kewl Kids". And the best way to stick it to said "Kewl kids" is not to vote for a highly qualified, reasonable, rational carebear candidate--of which there are several--who will best defend your own interests. No, the best way to get back at the PVPers you so hate is to vote for the most flagrantly unqualified, crazy, inflammatory choice available. This is sad for two reasons. First, PVPers are not your enemies (out of game). We carebear ourselves, we depend on carebears for our ships and modules, and we want carebears to prosper--if only so that there are more targets. Second, PVPers are likely to get several seats on the CSM anyway, perhaps even a majority--although they will likely be split between the nullsec and lowsec/empire crowds, who actually have some fairly divergent interests. This means that it is all the more important that PVEers, industrialists, carebears, etc. receive the best representation possible, something they simply will not be getting with Ankh. But you don't care about any of this. All you care about is making some futile, pointless, self-defeating gesture to try to upset those arrogant libera--I mean those arrogant PVPers. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, as is every carebear who votes for Ankh simply because she ****es off PVPers.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 06:38:00 - [107] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku This post is pure ressentiment. Judging by your post, you're not voting for Ankh because you think she's the best candidate, because she'll improve the game the most, because her ideas are the best, because you think she'll best represent your interests. No, you're voting for Ankh because you want to stick it to PVPers, who you resent for being "the kewl Kids". Actually, the reasons why i vote for Ankh are my very personal concern. Last time i checked this was a democratic election, so the specific reasons for voting a party or a person has not to be justified to the public. Be assured though, that i do indeed think, that Ankh is "my" candidate and will represent and advocate my interests in the best way. Quote: No, the best way to get back at the PVPers you so hate is to vote for the most flagrantly unqualified, crazy, inflammatory choice available. I do not "hate" anyone here. Why and how should i? I don't know the persons behind the pixels. But i know and i read here a lot of statements that are a testimony for the opposite: The PvP crowd hates the level 4 mission runners in empire. They want to get rid of level 4 missions in highsec and so want their CSMs. They want even more suicide ganking, they can't stand a carebear in a marauder or faction BS and they lookout for easy targets in lowsec. Yet they complain that no one comes to "their" lowsec. No, the haters here are the PvP crowd, as you can see judging from this thread or from other threads, where they insult and ridicule ôcarebearsö. And for the record: iI do not think, that Ankh is "flagrantly unqualified, crazy, inflammatory choice available". Not more at least that some of the other (PvP) CSM-candidates. Quote: This is sad for two reasons. First, PVPers are not your enemies (out of game). Then explain to me, why they constantly insult and offend and whine about carebear whines. Then explain to me, why they constantly demand a drastic cut to empire actions/content/income, instead of asking to boost ôtheirö part of the game. Quote: We carebear ourselves, we depend on carebears for our ships and modules, and we want carebears to prosper--if only so that there are more targets. That phrase made my day: You öwant carebears to prosper?ö Then explain to me please, why the majority of your CSM want to cut off carebear interaction in the game. Let me point you to an infame example: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1308261 No, your crowd only wants more (easy) targetsm, thatÆs true, but they do not want ôcarebears to prosperàö Quote: This means that it is all the more important that PVEers, industrialists, carebears, etc. receive the best representation possible, something they simply will not be getting with Ankh. Well you have to accept the fact, that a bunch of people are not your opinion here. They are not the most vocal crowd here on the board û that are the PvP kids û but they exist and they are the majority of players in the game: The hated carebears. Quote: You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, as is every carebear who votes for Ankh simply because she ****es off PVPers. Methinks thou dost protest too much.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 06:43:00 - [108] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Edited by: FinnAgain Zero on 19/05/2010 04:58:17 Hello, alt. P.S. Post with your main. Hello Troll! This is my main. I came back to Eve from a 2 year break and started a new toon. So deal with it. Even if this would be an alt - which is not -, what makes the difference?
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 07:13:00 - [109] No, seriously, post with your main.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 07:20:00 - [110] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 07:20:17 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero No, seriously, post with your main. Stop trolling. This is my main. Believe it or not. What would it change anyway? Your more or less rediculous oneliners and your hatred towards Ankh made my day though.

Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.05.19 07:33:00 - [111] Originally by: Resonanza Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 07:20:17 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero No, seriously, post with your main. Stop trolling. This is my main. Believe it or not. What would it change anyway? Your more or less rediculous oneliners and your hatred towards Ankh made my day though. Resonanza Title: Elite Pilot, Elite Pilot (ed: lawl) Member of Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten [RWRP] For 1 month and 9 days ------------------------------------------------ Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten from 2010.04.08 14:44 to this day Hedion University from 2010.04.05 14:48 to 2010.04.08 14:44 Nice main, bro. Quite a remarkable coincidence that your character was was created exactly on the 30-day CSM voting eligibility deadline.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 07:44:00 - [112] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Nice main, bro. Thanks. But i am a "sis", bro! Quote: Quite a remarkable coincidence that your character was was created exactly on the 30-day CSM voting eligibility deadline. Well, if there is some sort of "deadline" (for what actually?), then that's a coincidence indeed. Up to last week or so i didn't even knew about the CSM programm and the elections. But how is that related to this topic?
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Originally by: Stovo kor Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku Confirming that quotation is a form of character assassination. I was commenting from the perspective that your "publication" is going out of its way to do this. Personally I am not opposed to the forum discussion on Ank. Looks like an easy target Tribune decided to jump on. From a neutral perspective it looks opportunistic. Lets see If you take on 'tougher targets' in the future .... Thats why I posted. Still not making sense ? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ ps. Razor dude : I guess everyone that disagrees with you is a troll .... Dear Stovo, Ankh is an "easy target", as you put it, because she is so thoroughly, clearly, and totally awful as a CSM candidate. And yes, we did go out of our way to do this. We did so because we decided that it was worth doing whatever we could to attempt to convince people that she should not be elected, because we believe she would be awful for the game if she were. We have no intention of taking on "tougher targets" in future CSM races because by definition a "tougher target" would be a better candidate. So according to your reasoning, the Tribune was wrong to publish an editorial criticizing Ankh because she is so utterly terrible a candidate that doing so was essentially shooting fish in a barrel, and unsporting. But it would have been OK for the Tribune to criticize a better candidate, because s/he would have had more of a fair, fighting chance. Do you have any idea how dumb this argument makes you look? Love, Miya PS: Your perspective isn't neutral. PPS: I'd like to introduce you to my friend, the paragraph. You two really should meet sometime. Hey Miyamoto, When I say tougher targets, its other CSM candidates with questionable history of performance in CSM I'm stating it from the perspective that Tribune only diverts from 'reporting the news' if there is an a target of opportunity. A soft target. I never said you should go after the good targets. My perspective is neutral. I have no allegiance to Ank. Don't know her nor have I voted for her. I like reading the tribune Initially I saw that she put in effort compared to many others, but after reading her manifesto I could not agree with that. ( My votes / interest is in what Teadaze has to say ) ps. I could care less about paragraph or semantics like you forum warriors. Next stop my grammar Quote: Originally by: Stovo kor I mean seriously how much of a threat is she even with outrageous ideas. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game. Even if she can't, she'd take up a CSM spot which could be filled by someone who can actually do some good and CSM members will have to counteract her influence. Like I just said and you just quoted. Above is an example of how you guys exaggerate. Ruin the game ? Ankh has already been on CSM. EVE does not seemed ruined for me. LOL at insinuation CCP is at the mercy of Ank The publication seems to imply that every single thing that comes out from Ank is toxic. That its not possible that some of her ideas will be representative of certain segments of EVE & provide counterbalance Nor that there is a possibility that she can put forth decent ideas in the course of the CSM Sometimes good ideas start off as something totally different. Even ideas that look great on the surface ( cosmetic ) and sound very great from the hype might have unintended consequences once implemented in EVE Miyamoto, the reason I posted in your thread is not to support Ank. Rather how your publication is coming off in this episode. Views vary pss . CSM scrum or whatever is not the only avenue to identify issues in this game. CCP developers would be aware of many issues that plague this game. Its the will of CCP that is lacking.
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.05.19 08:57:00 - [114] Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Quite a remarkable coincidence that your character was was created exactly on the 30-day CSM voting eligibility deadline. Well, if there is some sort of "deadline" (for what actually?), then that's a coincidence indeed. Up to last week or so i didn't even knew about the CSM programm and the elections. Accounts are only eligible to vote for a CSM candidate if they've been active for 30 days or more prior to the beginning of the elections. The elections began on 05/05/10; your character was created exactly 30 days before that on 05/04/10. If I were going to run with the 'why hallo thar, alt' theme, I might point out that for a newbie (and if you've had a two year break, you are a newbie for most purposes; the game changes), you're taking a remarkably pronounced interest in the CSM forums. I might also point out that if one were looking to maximise one's voting power, using the buddy program to create three new accounts just before the deadline and then trashing them after their 51 days were up would be a pretty cost-effective way of doing things.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:21:00 - [115] Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Nice main, bro. Thanks. But i am a "sis", bro! Quote: Quite a remarkable coincidence that your character was was created exactly on the 30-day CSM voting eligibility deadline. Well, if there is some sort of "deadline" (for what actually?), then that's a coincidence indeed. Up to last week or so i didn't even knew about the CSM programm and the elections. But how is that related to this topic? Hi Ankh! Lacking supporters lately? I guess your alts is making up for it. But be nice to your poor keyboard. it must be burning hot with all the typing -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:22:00 - [116] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 10:22:35 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 10:22:01 Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Quite a remarkable coincidence that your character was was created exactly on the 30-day CSM voting eligibility deadline. Well, if there is some sort of "deadline" (for what actually?), then that's a coincidence indeed. Up to last week or so i didn't even knew about the CSM programm and the elections. Accounts are only eligible to vote for a CSM candidate if they've been active for 30 days or more prior to the beginning of the elections. The elections began on 05/05/10; your character was created exactly 30 days before that on 05/04/10. Ahh ok, i see. Well you might point out whatever you want. I came back to Eve iun late April and created this new toon. What IÆve experienced since that in the last weeks was mindcrushing. Basically Eve changed totally from my first approaches to this game in late 2004 to now. And it didnÆt change to the better. Where highsec was somewhat ôhighsecö it became now ôganksecö. I was hauling my first million isk in my hauler to jita, when I was ganked there. I asked the suicid ganker, why he did that and he said, he would make isk even ganking an empty hauler. Then I researched this very board. And I saw this issue addressed here and many similar carebear issues addressed here and i was the responses from the pirate-kiddo players as well the responses and comments from some of the CSMs. NO CSM has the right to complain about Ankhs voice standing up for the carebears. And no PvP griefer has the right to do so. Eve became gank-city and kid-grief-city and believe me: there are a lot of ppl out there playing this game who are not vocal on this board and who do not like the way Eve is going due to the vocal minority here looking for easy targets. ThatÆs why I was researching the boards and why I and my family (3 more accounts) have voted for Ankh. We like to have our small corner in Eve without some stupid suicid ganker who ganks oftenonly for lulz and giggles. Why even have highsec, if it is not high-sec?
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:28:00 - [117] Originally by: Shintai Hi Ankh! Lacking supporters lately? I guess your alts is making up for it. But be nice to your poor keyboard. it must be burning hot with all the typing Hi Troll, hi griefer1 Becomming desperate because more and more people support Ankh and her attempt to make Eve better for everyone, not only the PvPlers? Well i got news for you: I am not Ankh, as you can clearly tell from my (bad) english, but my whole familly will vote for her. Believe it or not, who cares? Believ whatever you want who i am and make yourself look even more silly. But something is surprising: That you are creeping out from under your puny stone of oneliners makes me beliebe, that someone hit a nerve there.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 10:43:00 - [118] Originally by: Resonanza Up to last week or so i didn't even knew about the CSM programm and the elections. And yet, then you got 11 accounts from you and your family members all to vote for Ank. What a coincidence! Post with your main. Originally by: Resonanza ThatÆs why I was researching the boards and why I and my family (3 more accounts) have voted for Ankh. How odd, and just a few days ago you were saying it was 11 votes. Just one of those coincidences. Just like you come back to EVE after 2 years, make a new character just in time for the CSM elections, immediately convince your family to go vote for a candidate... and somehow the actual main character you had two years ago gets lost in the shuffle. Evidently along with 6 accounts somewhere between your initial story and your new one. Post with your main. Originally by: Resonanza We like to have our small corner in Eve without some stupid suicid ganker who ganks oftenonly for lulz and giggles. Why even have highsec, if it is not high-sec? Welcome to EVE, where there is only one server, it's a PvP server, and CCP designed it so that undocking is consenting to the possibility for PvP. There is no such thing as safe space, only safeer space and high sec is much higher security; if I ganked you in nullsec there would be no guantee that I'd be hunted down and popped. In high sec, it's an exploit if I'm not hunted down and popped by CONCORD. This is just basic EVE stuff. Oh yeah, post with your main. Originally by: Stovo kor Above is an example of how you guys exaggerate. Ruin the game ? It's not an example of how I exaggerate, it's an example of you distorting what I said. I said that is what would happen if she was actually able to implement her ideas. Has she, in fact, been able to implement her ideas like banishment to lowsec for anybody who executes a highsec gank? No? Then not only was there no exaggeration, you ignored what I actually said. Quote: LOL at insinuation CCP is at the mercy of Ank More dishonesty. I pointed out what would happen if she got her ideas implemented. The fact that her ideas are so insane that CCP would never take her seriously (and thus the people who are voting for her are wasting their votes in any case) is kind of the point. It's why I pointed out that an empty chair would be better than Ank.
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:02:00 - [119] Finny, you lost the discussion at the point where you just went into a personal grudgematch. I know for sure YOU would never make a good reporter or politician because you totally lack the ability to listen to what the opposite side has to say and keep on drudging out the same semantics over and over. And if you would have read my mock editorial then you would have replied in a whole other way, but you clearly showed that you only respond in a manner which takes part of a post or a fragment of an expression and you gon about that. You are nothing more than a populistic backstreet caller who is trying to build up a certain reputation with a certain crowd by calling and flaming just a bit louder than the rest. You have totally no intrest at all in the well being of EVE but merely are out to get more fame, and since you fail at it in style you choose the next best way. The way of the bitter little nerd.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:24:00 - [120] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:27:15 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:26:35 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:25:11 Hi, enraged Trolli :) Originally by: FinnAgain Zero And yet, then you got 11 accounts from you and your family members all to vote for Ank. What a coincidence! Post with your main. Aye, 11 accounts. 3 accounts for my close family and 8 others (even 2 more when I think about it ) from relatives. This is my main, deaf enraged Trolli. Quote: Just one of those coincidences. Just like you come back to EVE after 2 years, make a new character just in time for the CSM elections, immediately convince your family to go vote for a candidate... and somehow the actual main character you had two years ago gets lost in the shuffle. Evidently along with 6 accounts somewhere between your initial story and your new one. Yep, dear enraged deaf Trolly! Just like you wrote. Btw, I never ôlost touchö with Eve, since my family has always since then played it actively. And, this is my main, Trolly. Do not become too much enraged. Think about your blood pressure. It only makes you look silly and dumb and like a 12 year old kid stomping with itÆs feet on the ground. :) Quote: Welcome to EVE, where there is only one server, it's a PvP server, and CCP designed it so that undocking is consenting to the possibility for PvP. That very same server is a PvE server as well. Did you forgot about that, dear enraged Trolly? Quote: There is no such thing as safe space, only safeer space and high sec is much higher security; Oh yeah, post with your main. Nowaydays there is no ôsaferö space and ôhigherö security. Highsec became useless. Oh yeah, and you should really stop stomping with your feet on the ground, it makes you look even more silly, cutie Trolly. Edit: Did i tell you already, Trolly-Finny, that you sound and look like and enraged kid stomping with it's feet on the ground, because it didn't get the cake? "Post with your main, wah, wah, wah, this si not your main, wah , wah, wah i want to know your main, wah, wah, wah". Believe it or not, no one cares, but: There is no Santa Claus and this is my main, Trolly. :)

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:43:00 - [121] Originally by: Resonanza Aye, 11 accounts. 3 accounts for my close family and 8 others (even 2 more when I think about it ) from relatives. Mmmm hmmm. 11 accounts. No, wait, four accounts. No, wait, 13 accounts! But your account which you started two years ago mysteriously has no characters on it and only had a 1 month old character. Your main, post with it.
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:46:00 - [122] Originally by: Resonanza Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:37:08 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:36:22 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:35:45 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:27:15 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:26:35 Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:25:11 Hi, enraged Trolli Originally by: FinnAgain Zero And yet, then you got 11 accounts from you and your family members all to vote for Ank. What a coincidence! Post with your main. Aye, 11 accounts. 3 accounts for my close family and 8 others (even 2 more when I think about it ) from relatives and friends, who got me hooked up again. This is my main, deaf enraged Trolli. Quote: Just one of those coincidences. Just like you come back to EVE after 2 years, make a new character just in time for the CSM elections, immediately convince your family to go vote for a candidate... and somehow the actual main character you had two years ago gets lost in the shuffle. Evidently along with 6 accounts somewhere between your initial story and your new one. Yep, dear enraged deaf Trolly! Just like you wrote. Btw, I never ôlost touchö with Eve, since my family has always since then played it actively. And, this is my main, Trolly. Do not become too much enraged. Think about your blood pressure. It only makes you look silly and dumb and like a 12 year old kid stomping with itÆs feet on the ground. Quote: Welcome to EVE, where there is only one server, it's a PvP server, and CCP designed it so that undocking is consenting to the possibility for PvP. That very same server is a PvE server as well. Did you forgot about that, dear enraged Trolly? Quote: There is no such thing as safe space, only safeer space and high sec is much higher security; Oh yeah, post with your main. Nowaydays there is no ôsaferö space and ôhigherö security. Highsec became useless. Let's talk again, when CCP introduces real "Highsec" space by removing insurance payout from suicid gankers and more harsh sacntions against suiciders. Oh yeah, and you should really stop stomping with your feet on the ground, it makes you look even more silly, cutie Trolly. Edit: Did i tell you already, Trolly-Finny, that you sound and look like and enraged kid stomping with it's feet on the ground, because it didn't get the cake? "Post with your main, wah, wah, wah, this si not your main, wah , wah, wah i want to know your main, wah, wah, wah". Believe it or not, no one cares, but: There is no Santa Claus and this is my main, Trolly. You aren't a very pleasant person, are you.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 11:53:00 - [123] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 11:56:23 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Mmmm hmmm. 11 accounts. No, wait, four accounts. No, wait, 13 accounts! But your account which you started two years ago mysteriously has no characters on it and only had a 1 month old character. Exactly. Well, kid, you might realize that some of us are older, have a familly, have a job, need to care for kids and husband and well, it might elude you, but some for some of us the world does not revolve only around EvE and how to gank the next target... But Finny-Trolly, I understand you perfectly. My kids are the same like you: In school they sometimes only think at EvE. They canÆt wait to get to the PC; turn on TS and have their fun. I unfortunately, I canÆt afford that kind of life anymore and thus Eve became less important to me. I lost the data of my old char, so I am starting over. So what, Trolly Finn?? Does that hurt you personally? Does that violates your naturaly eve law? Is Eve now going to explode in your head? Quote: Your main, post with it. Trolly, I told you already: Everything will be fine and no, you canÆt have the sweeties now and no, you canÆt watch TV now, you need to do your homework first. And no, stomping with your feets will not help it. And no, the world will not Explode, just because there are 1 month old characters posting on the boards. I know, dear Trolly Finny, you canÆt stand that, but what are you going to do about it now? Now you have two reasons for your miserable life: Ankh and a 4 week old character. Sorry, about that, but eventually you will be fine again, I promise! /me puts a Lolly in Finn-TrollyÆs mouth. Originally by: Enriana Shli**n You aren't a very pleasant person, are you. Oh , I only play on the same level like that Finny-guy there. Actually I am an easy girl to like, but sometimes certain people will not understand until you show them their face in a mirror.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:04:00 - [124] Originally by: Resonanza I lost the data of my old char, so I am starting over. You can not possibly "lose the data" for an account. You go to "my account", put in your username, and then click on the link right next to "forgot you password?". And if you forgot your username you just check your email for an activation email from CCP with the title "EVE Online: Registration Confirmation" where it tells you your username. Post with your main.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:12:00 - [125] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 12:13:41 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero You can not possibly "lose the data" for an account. You go to "my account", put in your username, and then click on the link right next to "forgot you password?". And if you forgot your username you just check your email for an activation email from CCP with the title "EVE Online: Registration Confirmation" where it tells you your username. I didn't knew that. As i said, Eve is not as important to me as it is for you obviously. Quote: Post with your main. And what do you do, if i won't do that simply because i can't do that, Trolly? Well i could create another character and tell you that is my main... Would that ease your pain, Kid? Because i am a nice person i would do so, if that suits and comforts you. You seem to be very obsessed by that "post with your main" thing. Poor dude. I feel sorry for you actually. I tell you what: We go together to the park, i will spend icecream for you and everything will be allright. Hell, i even make a new character and call it "main", if you want. Jszt don't stompo to much with your feet again....
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:17:00 - [126] Originally by: Resonanza I didn't knew that. As i said, Eve is not as important to me as it is for you obviously. Right, who knew that sites on the internet have a "forgot your password?" link pretty much all the time, or that CCP might have some sort of account management. And none of your three, no eleven, no thirteen relatives told you. But you managed to create an account right in time for the CSM, and only post about CSM topics (almost exclusively about Ank) and you got your three, no eleven, no thirteen relatives to all vote for the candidate you like, but it never occured to you to ask them "so, I forgot my password for my EVE account, how can I get it?" Log your main in and post with it. Originally by: Resonanza Trolly FYP.
Marquis Zenas I.X Research	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:21:00 - [127] Edited by: Marquis Zenas on 19/05/2010 12:21:21 Originally by: Resonanza Textbook ad hominem attacks Accusing him to be young or underage is no way to win an argument. It's easier if you tackle his points head on instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks. It just makes you look underage and that you're trolling. It's also a good sign that you're loosing the debate -------------------------- The sig is empty
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:24:00 - [128] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Right, who knew that sites on the internet have a "forgot your password?" link pretty much all the time, or that CCP might have some sort of account management. And none of your three, no eleven, no thirteen relatives told you. Correct. Simply because there are more important things to me than a pixel character in a computer game, dear kid. Who care for a 2 year old character? Quote: But you managed to create an account right in time for the CSM, and only post about CSM topics (almost exclusively about Ank) and you got your three, no eleven, no thirteen relatives to all vote for the candidate you like, but it never occured to you to ask them "so, I forgot my password for my EVE account, how can I get it?" DonÆt spread lies. I posted on various topics. Not only about Ankh. Ohh I get it: You are enraged because someone is not agreeing with your favorite trolling area and supports Ankh. I am sorry, I hurt your little kiddo PvP feelings. Poor one. Quote: Log your main in and post with it. Noooo, there is no Santa Claus, I canÆt do a thing about that, sorry. I had to tell you one day, Trolly-Finny! Stomping with your feet wonÆt change that, but I have some calmatives for you. Once , when your are grown up, you will realize that there are more important things to learn and experience out. And yes, up to then you might keep you ôMainö toy and play with it.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:31:00 - [129] Originally by: Marquis Zenas Accusing him to be young or underage is no way to win an argument. It's easier if you tackle his points head on instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks. It just makes you look underage and that you're trolling. It's also a good sign that you're loosing the debate Well i tried that, but at a certain point it makes no sense to argue with small children anymore. They won't simply comprehend and insist on their sweeties and toys. If they don't get it they start to cry and to crush things or to sompt with their feets. So what else can i do? Quote: It's also a good sign that you're loosing the debate May i ask you: What ôdebate"? A debate about mains? Cmon, donÆt get silly. Where is that "debate" actually? I only see kiddo demanding things i can't deliver. Stuff, ("Post with your main"), that is complelty meaningless to this whole discussion. So, i don't care here, if i "lose " something or not. Hm I want to help this kid, but I donÆt know how. I could ask a corp mate to post for me and tell him that this is my main, or I siply create a new toon, if that helps him. It looks like it is causing pain to Finn-Troll.
Marquis Zenas I.X Research	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Resonanza Well i tried that, but at a certain point it makes no sense to argue with small children anymore. They won't simply comprehend and insist on their sweeties and toys. If they don't get it they start to cry and to crush things or to sompt with their feets. So what else can i do? Attacks and snobbery at his age (which you don't know) makes you look the fool. The fact that you're a brand new character, coupled with the fact that you've only posted on threads that discuss Ankh with the exception of one thread in GD but the content of the thread along with text and style you used is a close match to Ankh is good enough proof for him. If you feel you can't convince him, then drop it. Originally by: Resonanza May i ask you: What ôdebate"? Actually the debate is whether Ankh is a suitable CSM candidate or not. The argument about mains is a sideshow to the rest of the argument. If you wish to put forth the fact that ankh is suitable (!) then you need to argue the fact. However, the point I made above already has you at a disadvantage. -------------------------- The sig is empty

FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:50:00 - [131] Originally by: Resonanza Correct. Simply because there are more important things to me than a pixel character in a computer game And yet you've convinced everybody in your family to vote for someone to improve the game for those "pixel characters". Hrmmm.... As for why an established character with skillpoints is valuable, and definitely more valuable than a character you have to start from scratch? I don't believe that you really don't understand why that is. Just get your main already. I promise that the mean gankers probably won't hunt you down, much, with our locator agents (which CCP totally didn't mean to put in the game at all, nope). Quote: Quote: But you managed to create an account right in time for the CSM, and only post about CSM topics (almost exclusively about Ank) DonÆt spread lies. I posted on various topics. Not only about Ankh. Speaking of spreading lies, you'll notice the word "almost" before "exclusively". And let's go back to your posting history. Out of all of your posts, one is not about the CSM (but it is a whine about CSM issues and PvPers). Of the others, which are all CSM posts, 74% are about Ank. Of the rest of your CSM posts, one was the very first postin a thread, only eight minutes after the original post (searching for the mention of a specific name, perhaps?). That thread's original post just happened to mention Ank's habit of spamming mission hubs. Your response was to change the subject and get your hate on. Every single other CSM post you made was attacking a candidate you don't like for, hilariously, "spamming mails and channels" and for "denigrating those, who don't agree with your small and personal view of eve" (like gankers), And, most hilariously of all, you claimed he was "not suited to candidate for a CSM seat, due to your prematurity and your lack of respect for the paying customer(s) who do not share your point of view." Then you went back to arguing that the person who believes that PvPers are psychopathic virgins is the best choice for the CSM. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:51:00 - [132] Originally by: Marquis Zenas If you feel you can't convince him, then drop it. ACtually, you are right. I simply will ignore his "Post with your main" crap, though i really get a kick out of it. Quote: Actually the debate is whether Ankh is a suitable CSM candidate or not. If you wish to put forth the fact that ankh is suitable (!) then you need to argue the fact. Look, why should i argue with him about that? WHy should i argue with *anyone* about this? It is like real life politics: The support of the one candidate will tell the supporters of the competing candidate, that that person is not suitable for nomination. So, who the **** cares? I have decided, that Ankh is a very suitable candidate and last time i checkd, i was living in a free world. I do not need some kid whining the same whine over and over again (like "post with your main") to make up my mind. I am accountable to none concerning the decisions i make, am i? But i can very well pronounce an opinion, why this or that behaviour is childish and why i support that candidate. I really don't care if i am "loosing" something in a video game world or even more losing a debate on a forum with some obvious PvP kid arguing with me about some main or not main. But it entertains me, tbh.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:57:00 - [133] Originally by: Resonanza denigrating those, who don't agree with your small and personal view of eve Originally by: Resonanza some obvious PvP kid It's funny that you're a 1 month old character who just so happens to be unable to access his main and whose interest is totally taken up with supporting Ank, complaining about CSM changes that Ank disagrees with, and using Ank's sort of rhetoric to complain about how PvPers suck. Luckily nobody has ever created an alt before for propaganda purposes. What luck that you don't have a main you can post with. What luck!
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 12:58:00 - [134] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Post with your main. I thought you ank bashers all thought all ank supporters were actually alts of Ank herself?
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:01:00 - [135] Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 13:05:47 Originally by: FinnAgain Zero And yet you've convinced everybody in your family to vote for someone to improve the game for those "pixel characters". Hrmmm.... Hell ya, I pay for all of those accounts. And the other ones I didnÆt need to convince. We had a short conversation about the CSM and we came all to the same result: Ankh is it. Quote: As for why an established character with skillpoints is valuable, and definitely more valuable than a character you have to start from scratch? I don't believe that you really don't understand why that is. Kid, as I said, the game doesnÆt mean most likely as much to me as it means for you. I had a character, that was 2 months old (or so) a long long time ago, so not a lot is lost. Who cares? Quote: Just get your main already. I promise that the mean gankers probably won't hunt you down, much, with our locator agents (which CCP totally didn't mean to put in the game at all, nope). Oh kid, please, please donÆt hurt me!!!! PLEASE donÆt hurt me! I beg you!!!! Noooo. I am sooo scared. I am so scared that a pixel character will make the effort and waste his time to kill my pixel character in highsec. It really menas much to me, soooo much. Ya, that should hurt meà. I tell you what: I frecking donÆt care. Quite the opposite: I find it hilarious, that you want to kill me ingame because you canÆt convice me that Ankh is a bad candidate. Kinda proves my point about griefers thoughà If it eases your pain, i can log in right now and tell you where i am - so you don't even need a locator - and then you are free to gankg and kill me. Ok? Will that help you, Finnwhatevertroll? This only proves my point and confirms my decision for Ankh more and more. You are nothing but a frustrated and enraged PvP griefer. So come and get your gank already. I am all for helping out.
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:21:00 - [136] Originally by: Resonanza Edited by: Resonanza on 19/05/2010 13:05:47 Drivel. OMG - this has got to be either: a) an Ankh alt b) an Ankh wannabe. I really can't decide which is worse.
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:23:00 - [137] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game. Even if she can't, she'd take up a CSM spot which could be filled by someone who can actually do some good and CSM members will have to counteract her influence. Like I just said and you just quoted. Originally by: Stovo kor Above is an example of how you guys exaggerate. Ruin the game ? It's not an example of how I exaggerate, it's an example of you distorting what I said. I said that is what would happen if she was actually able to implement her ideas. Has she, in fact, been able to implement her ideas like banishment to lowsec for anybody who executes a highsec gank? No? Then not only was there no exaggeration, you ignored what I actually said. Quote: LOL at insinuation CCP is at the mercy of Ank More dishonesty. I pointed out what would happen if she got her ideas implemented. The fact that her ideas are so insane that CCP would never take her seriously (and thus the people who are voting for her are wasting their votes in any case) is kind of the point. It's why I pointed out that an empty chair would be better than Ank. I'm not distorting anything. "If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game" CCP is not going to implement radical ideas that destroy the sand-box nature of this game. That's EVE online main selling point and niche in MMO's 'What If's ' scenarios regarding Ankh seem like fear tactics She has been CSM before & EVE looks decent to me so I guess she is not the harbinger of doom The concentrated vilification seems a bit over the top especially if publications jump in 1 person ( Ankh ) 'evil' influence need to be counteracted. My bad I didn't realize all the other CSM are so easily turned. Just saying there should be an outlet for everyone views. People play this game in differing ways. So its possible that these very opposing views could ignite/ generate some sort of compromise ideas down the road that would benefit the community. If CSM is only about 1 cliche and a certain subset of ideas better just get CCP employees to read all this stuff on a subforum & everyone can pat themselves on the back there. Empty chair candidates are epic fail to the community. The CSM meetings being current platform to voice views they not only harm the community but possibly even deprived us of some catalyst for ideas. If people use vote match >> Eve online Vote match I'm sure people will get surprising matches on various issues with multiple candidates including the dreaded Ankh Far from the toxic image that you are projecting
Face Palmer Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:34:00 - [138] Originally by: Stovo kor Originally by: Stovo kor Above is an example of how you guys exaggerate. Ruin the game ? It's not an example of how I exaggerate, it's an example of you distorting what I said. I said that is what would happen if she was actually able to implement her ideas. Has she, in fact, been able to implement her ideas like banishment to lowsec for anybody who executes a highsec gank? No? Then not only was there no exaggeration, you ignored what I actually said.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.19 13:34:00 - [139] Originally by: Stovo kor I'm not distorting anything. "If she got her ideas implemented? She'd ruin the game" CCP is not going to implement radical ideas that destroy the sand-box nature of this game. That's EVE online main selling point and niche in MMO's So you're pretty much admitting that you were dishonestly distorting what I actually said when I pointed out what would happen if her ideas were implemented. Not only do you understand the "if --> then" statement, you agree with exactly what I said, her ideas would destroy the game. Originally by: Stovo kor What If's ' scenarios regarding Ankh seem like fear tactics Your apologia for Ank is weak. You're now actually arguing "The facts of what would happen if she actually got her views enacted is just fear mongering! And the fact that she can't get her views enacted and thus is a wasted vote has no bearing on the discussion!" Originally by: Stovo kor The concentrated vilification seems a bit over the top especially if publications jump in 1 person ( Ankh ) 'evil' influence need to be counteracted. My bad I didn't realize all the other CSM are so easily turned. More dishonesty. Nobody said they'd be "turned", in fact I pointed out that Ank would be of less value than an empty seat and at best she'd simply be balanced out by sane CSMers. And as we were using Ank's own words to point out Ank's own views, claiming that we've "vilified" her is something less than honest. Like a kitten is something less than a tiger. Originally by: Stovo kor If CSM is only about 1 cliche and a certain subset of ideas better just get CCP employees to read all this stuff on a subforum & everyone can pat themselves on the back there. More dishonesty. The article and both Miya and myself have pointed out that there are numerous good carebear candidates, but that Ank simply isn't one. P.S. Vote Match matches up soundbytes, and is pretty good at it, but it's not a totally substantive way to compare ideologies. You won't, for instance, find statements like "Gankers are psychopathic virgins who should be put into some sort of 'jail' and barred from going into Empire even after 1 single suicidegank." ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG Hohohoho, Mister Finn, youÆre going to be Mister Finnagain!
Killer Gandry Caldari TerraNovae	Posted - 2010.05.19 14:15:00 - [140] Don't you go telling people I am an Ank alt. I have my own opinions and I don't mind a discussion, however this isn't a discussion anymore since the thread started. Next to this I am going to establish a moderated discussion forum. Moderated in the form that there will be part of the forums open for postings of CSM candidates and pre appointed and approved intervieuwers, Part of the forums where only a specific CSM will have access to post to point out why they should be in the CSM and on what points the other CSM points might be flawed. Those 2 seperate parts of the forums will not be open for general postings to prevent derailment in general as happens a lot on the EVE forums. Next to that there will be an open discussion forum in which people can express their opinions. This doesn't mean however that everything is a go. There will be a certain level of maturity and responcebility set for posting. Meaning that several points of EVE rules about forum posting will be maintained at the forum I am going to set up aswel. Being: Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. Ranting is prohibited A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing ôin characterö disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. I will appoint some moderators from various alliances to see to it those rules are enforced. I want a real discussion forum where CSM's can have their space to express their opinions without derailment and another space where they will have to answer to the public. Unfortunatly the EVE forums don't offer this service and thus I am going to work on providing this. My personal opinions aside I am going to do my utmost best to keep it impartial and purely informative on one side and open for real discussions at the otehr side.

Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.19 14:20:00 - [141] Originally by: Resonanza Look, why should i argue with him about that? WHy should i argue with anyone about this? It is like real life politics: The support of the one candidate will tell the supporters of the competing candidate, that that person is not suitable for nomination. So, who the ** cares? I have decided, that Ankh is a very suitable candidate and last time i checkd, i was living in a free world. I do not need some kid whining the same whine over and over again (like "post with your main") to make up my mind. I am accountable to none concerning the decisions i make, am i? But i can very well pronounce an opinion, why this or that behaviour is childish and why i support that candidate. If you aren't willing to defend your opinion, why should any of us give a flying ** what you think? All your posts so far support my initial hypothesis that you're voting for Ankh out of ressentiment, not reason. That, and that neither you nor your thirty-seven alts/friends/relatives just don't "get" EVE.
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.19 15:57:00 - [142] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku If you aren't willing to defend your opinion, why should any of us give a flying ** what you think? I wonder about that, too. But obviously some of "you" give a "flying **", otherwise this thread woulnd't exist and otherwise Finn-Trolly wouldn't act like he does. Odd, isn't it?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.19 16:31:00 - [143] Ho brother, I see emotions are starting to soar. Relax guys, it's only a game. Even if Ank is elected, she is just one seat and has been on 2 previous CSM's, EVE actually became a better place during those times in my book. If only for the skill queue that was implemented. Hell, even Darius Johnson (who was on the same CSM, you know, the former CEO of former mega-grief-alliance GoonSwarm)complimented Ank and said she was great to work with.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.19 17:02:00 - [144] This argument is starting to make my eyes bleed.
Enriana Shlirapen	Posted - 2010.05.20 23:09:00 - [145] Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Enriana Shli**n You aren't a very pleasant person, are you. Oh , I only play on the same level like that Finny-guy there. Actually I am an easy girl to like, but sometimes certain people will not understand until you show them their face in a mirror. You're not very easy to like to me.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.21 08:55:00 - [146] I wonder if Natana's blindly fanatical Ankh campaign (and hate campaign against me and others) had any influence on the results.. VOTE SOKRATESZ for an unforgiving, unique and exciting EVE!
Stovo kor Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.05.21 10:46:00 - [147] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Ho brother, I see emotions are starting to soar. Relax guys, it's only a game. Even if Ank is elected, she is just one seat and has been on 2 previous CSM's, EVE actually became a better place during those times in my book. If only for the skill queue that was implemented. Hell, even Darius Johnson (who was on the same CSM, you know, the former CEO of former mega-grief-alliance GoonSwarm)complimented Ank and said she was great to work with. FinnAgain Zero, 1. Above is someone else painting perhaps a more balanced picture compared to what you guys are saying. 2. As for Ankh's ideas. Some ideas are in line with other CSM on a scale of being moderate. Her more 'appalling' ideas, ie the focus of much debate, is her representing her play style /viewpoint. Contrary to your statements of "She will ruin the game" this Ankh individual or any other single individual on CSM does not wield enough power to make decisions on their own. Even after the CSM process, the developers CCP ( who have pretty good grasp of sandbox ) are not gonna jeopardize the various play styles with those kind of extreme ideas. In all likelyhood we might get her good ideas while the bad ideas will not get traction. 3. I rather have passionate candidates represent us then dead weight ( obviously our views differ ) I ask you though, would you want someone representing PVP / 0.0 to turn out to be a lame duck ? Would you want your candidate to dilute their message for the sake of appeasement ? 4. Originally by: FinnAgain Zero So you're pretty much admitting that you were dishonestly distorting what I actually said when I pointed out what would happen if her ideas were implemented. Not only do you understand the "if --> then" statement, you agree with exactly what I said, her ideas would destroy the game. ???? ps. I wonder if this hate campaign actually gave Ankh more fodder to convince the carebears who would normally be apathetic. gg
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2010.05.21 11:57:00 - [148] Edited by: Shintai on 21/05/2010 11:58:49 Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Shintai Hi Ankh! Lacking supporters lately? I guess your alts is making up for it. But be nice to your poor keyboard. it must be burning hot with all the typing Hi Troll, hi griefer1 Becomming desperate because more and more people support Ankh and her attempt to make Eve better for everyone, not only the PvPlers? Well i got news for you: I am not Ankh, as you can clearly tell from my (bad) english, but my whole familly will vote for her. Believe it or not, who cares? Believ whatever you want who i am and make yourself look even more silly. But something is surprising: That you are creeping out from under your puny stone of oneliners makes me beliebe, that someone hit a nerve there. I sense some emorage here. Relax Ankh, your life wont be over just because you cant control EvE. Remember not to fly anything you cant afford to lose And seriously Ankh, we all know its you. So just gubble it up and post with it. You only fool youself as usual. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Jehosephat Godlittle Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2010.05.21 12:29:00 - [149] Originally by: Shintai Edited by: Shintai on 21/05/2010 11:58:49 Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Shintai Hi Ankh! Lacking supporters lately? I guess your alts is making up for it. But be nice to your poor keyboard. it must be burning hot with all the typing Hi Troll, hi griefer1 Becomming desperate because more and more people support Ankh and her attempt to make Eve better for everyone, not only the PvPlers? Well i got news for you: I am not Ankh, as you can clearly tell from my (bad) english, but my whole familly will vote for her. Believe it or not, who cares? Believ whatever you want who i am and make yourself look even more silly. But something is surprising: That you are creeping out from under your puny stone of oneliners makes me beliebe, that someone hit a nerve there. I sense some emorage here. Relax Ankh, your life wont be over just because you cant control EvE. Remember not to fly anything you cant afford to lose And seriously Ankh, we all know its you. So just gubble it up and post with it. You only fool youself as usual. His name is Adam Rid .... ohh no, wait ...
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 22:03:00 - [150] :( I missed the drama, excellent stuff tbh you guys were more entertaining than RL politics <3 Until next year I guess :(

Otin Bison Gallente Bison Industrial Inc	Posted - 2010.05.22 15:56:00 - [151] Voted for Ankhesentapemkah. This thread only reinforces my belief it was the RIGHT decision. ------- Nothing especially witty to say at this time.
Kytanos Termek Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:42:00 - [152] this just reinfor.... Ow, my brain.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:56:00 - [153] Originally by: Otin Bison Voted for Ankhesentapemkah. This thread only reinforces my belief it was the RIGHT decision. This post reinforces my belief that you are clueless about the game.
Kuluskitur Dominion Experiments	Posted - 2010.05.23 08:57:00 - [154] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Otin Bison Voted for Ankhesentapemkah. This thread only reinforces my belief it was the RIGHT decision. This post reinforces my belief that you are clueless about the game. This post reinforces my belief that you failed to get on the CSM and are now QQing about it to supporters of candidates that most likely did. *** We fight for Freedom!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:12:00 - [155] You just had to go there didn't you .. Q_Q .. hand me another paper tissue pls
Resonanza	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:54:00 - [156] Originally by: Kuluskitur Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Otin Bison Voted for Ankhesentapemkah. This thread only reinforces my belief it was the RIGHT decision. This post reinforces my belief that you are clueless about the game. This post reinforces my belief that you failed to get on the CSM and are now QQing about it to supporters of candidates that most likely did. This is so very true, but we all knew that beforehead.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:23:00 - [157] Jesus *********ing christ, don't you people have any decency? Natana, you accuse me of not treating the playerbase with enough respect and now you lower yourself to the same level only to take a few cheap shots at me?
Dariah Stardweller Gallente Gung-Ho	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:37:00 - [158] Well, the election results are in. Seems like the hate offensive did not work or even backfired as Ank got more votes than ever b4. *waits for E-tribune journalists to come and emo-rage about ank and her voters some more.
Miyamoto Isoruku Caldari The Phoenix Enclave Astro Lux Aedificatiae	Posted - 2010.05.26 19:53:00 - [159] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Well, the election results are in. Seems like the hate offensive did not work or even backfired as Ank got more votes than ever b4. *waits for E-tribune journalists to come and emo-rage about ank and her voters some more. Emo-rage? No. We're of course disappointed that such a manifestly unqualified and duplicitous candidate was elected, but really the people who are going to be most screwed over by her election are her voters, who will lack the effective representation needed to support their interests and that of the game.
Vinjita	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:30:00 - [160] Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku manifestly unqualified Ankhesentapemkah is a qualified Game designer.

NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:40:00 - [161] Well all that came out of this ridiculous thread is the Eve tribune can no longer claim to be unbiased or neutral within Eve, shame really
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:55:00 - [162] Ah, another person who isn't aware of editorials or political endorsements. Sad, really. But of course the Tribune has never claimed we don't have "bias". Most Tribune writers would readily admit that they have a bias towards liking EVE and that they want it to continue. They also like how CCP designed it (in general) and they are happy that it's a PvP based MMO and not a single player game. The fact that PvP is possible in every system of the game isn't an accident, nor did it just happen that CCP advertises the end-game content as combat rather than mining a really big asteroid. It's the reason why CCP sponsors a massive, regular PvP tournament and not a LvL 4 Mission Jamboree. It's the reason why we have locator agents, and war decs, and why when you lose your ship you don't just get resurrection sickness and go pick up your ship and mods and go back out to fly. If someone logged into a Team Fortress 2 server and complained that everybody else was a psychopathic virgin for shooting at them while they were playing a medic, it wouldn't be an act of "bias" to point out that person simply didn't get it.
NereSky Gallente Maelstrom Crew Paradigm Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:21:00 - [163] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Ah, another person who isn't aware of editorials or political endorsements. Sad, really. [/i] quite aware thanks and im very happy:) any other pointless remarks you like to say?
The Grouch FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:12:00 - [164] Crime and Punishment called. They said you're posting in wrong forum and the tear-catcher isn't setup yet to handle multiple boards.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:59:00 - [165] Thank's for the reminder, I hadn't noticed that Miya had a contract out on Ankhybonkybonkers in C&P.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:36:00 - [166] Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Thank's for the reminder, I hadn't noticed that Miya had a contract out on Ankhybonkybonkers in C&P. As your alt, I order you to stop posting!
Corina Jarr	Posted - 2010.05.28 13:47:00 - [167] Originally by: Vinjita Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku manifestly unqualified Ankhesentapemkah is a qualified Game designer. Game designer is but one of many qualifications for CSM. You would also need interpersonal skills and the realization of the purpose of Eve. Which is, to meld PvE into PvP in such a way that it attempts to please everyone. I believe it is that last part that the Tribune is against. But anyway, any news source can be unbiased and be biased at the same time. It all depends on who rights the articles. The Tribune offered for anyone to write a counter article to theirs. It isn't their fault no one took them up on the offer.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.28 14:50:00 - [168] Originally by: Resonanza Originally by: Kuluskitur Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Otin Bison Voted for Ankhesentapemkah. This thread only reinforces my belief it was the RIGHT decision. This post reinforces my belief that you are clueless about the game. This post reinforces my belief that you failed to get on the CSM and are now QQing about it to supporters of candidates that most likely did. This is so very true, but we all knew that beforehead. quoting this because lol
Jerid Verges Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.28 17:24:00 - [169] This thread just reinforces my belief that Ankh succeeded in seriously trolling JPS.


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