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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Tokka Konnair
Originally by: Lifewire
forced CCP to have a safe empire where they can mine AFK in an indy.
deffinately smoking somthing, without a doubt
nobody forced CCP to have a safe empire
the implementation of a newbie safe area is fundemental to the design of any PvP massively multiplayer game
remember the days without the sentries?
Wanna fly with me?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:24:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Tokka Konnair
Originally by: Lifewire
forced CCP to have a safe empire where they can mine AFK in an indy.
deffinately smoking somthing, without a doubt
nobody forced CCP to have a safe empire
the implementation of a newbie safe area is fundemental to the design of any PvP massively multiplayer game
remember the days without the sentries?
Wanna fly with me?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:29:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Bhaal
Yes, his logic is illogical...
That statement is why I was saying "WTF?.
"his idea is illogical" = correct
"his logic is illogical" = incorrect
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:29:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Bhaal
Yes, his logic is illogical...
That statement is why I was saying "WTF?.
"his idea is illogical" = correct
"his logic is illogical" = incorrect
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:32:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Dsanta
Originally by: Lig Lira
Insurance isn't high enough for tech II ships, cormorant insurance pays out roughly 850K at 100%
i had a ferox.
i built the ferox.
insurance payout was 24mil.
i didnt have enough minerals to make a new ferox.
to buy a new one costs 35-50mil
insurance needs to be fixed, like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want.
example
i pay 40mil for a payout of 80mil
or
im lazy and only pay 35mil for a payout of 72mil
sorry, you got scammed, BC producing doesnt cost more then 22-24mio isk
i wasnt scammed, im the one who built the ferox, i was stating thats what ppl sell them for and thats what the insurance max is.
i lost my ferox due to a bug, i had a station kill me for no reason.
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:32:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Dsanta
Originally by: Lig Lira
Insurance isn't high enough for tech II ships, cormorant insurance pays out roughly 850K at 100%
i had a ferox.
i built the ferox.
insurance payout was 24mil.
i didnt have enough minerals to make a new ferox.
to buy a new one costs 35-50mil
insurance needs to be fixed, like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want.
example
i pay 40mil for a payout of 80mil
or
im lazy and only pay 35mil for a payout of 72mil
sorry, you got scammed, BC producing doesnt cost more then 22-24mio isk
i wasnt scammed, im the one who built the ferox, i was stating thats what ppl sell them for and thats what the insurance max is.
i lost my ferox due to a bug, i had a station kill me for no reason.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:41:00 -
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The suggestions for "towing ships" to recover wrecks is an excellent one. Imagine for a minute there is no real loot just "salvage" and a special salvage skill and ship would be required to recover the items.
I know there are few corps out there who would probably gear toward salvage (I believe Haratu of Shiny Stuff Salvagers is one). It would open a new career path and provide some variety.
Imagine for a minute a fleet made a kill, then waited for the salvage ships to arrive, imagine independent salvagemen running around in salvage ships looking for wreckage after battles.
They'd hang out in the map "blob" systems with 100 kills in an hour. Potential new targets for any PvP player and the opportunity for someone to make some good isk (say you'd salvage what you would on a refine of a ship - about 50%).
A salvage ship could have a 20k max speed, large hold and other similar attributes. You'd need "Salvage" skill (from Mechanic 5), "Towing" skill (from Navigation 5) to use the ship. You'd also need a special "Torque Afterburner" (from Afterburner 5) to generate the power to tow the wreck.
Excellent idea. Leave insurance as it is but the salvageman job is a great idea. I really like it.
Archbishop
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.06 19:41:00 -
[38]
The suggestions for "towing ships" to recover wrecks is an excellent one. Imagine for a minute there is no real loot just "salvage" and a special salvage skill and ship would be required to recover the items.
I know there are few corps out there who would probably gear toward salvage (I believe Haratu of Shiny Stuff Salvagers is one). It would open a new career path and provide some variety.
Imagine for a minute a fleet made a kill, then waited for the salvage ships to arrive, imagine independent salvagemen running around in salvage ships looking for wreckage after battles.
They'd hang out in the map "blob" systems with 100 kills in an hour. Potential new targets for any PvP player and the opportunity for someone to make some good isk (say you'd salvage what you would on a refine of a ship - about 50%).
A salvage ship could have a 20k max speed, large hold and other similar attributes. You'd need "Salvage" skill (from Mechanic 5), "Towing" skill (from Navigation 5) to use the ship. You'd also need a special "Torque Afterburner" (from Afterburner 5) to generate the power to tow the wreck.
Excellent idea. Leave insurance as it is but the salvageman job is a great idea. I really like it.
Archbishop
PIE CORPORATION
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:40:00 -
[39]
Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:40:00 -
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Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:45:00 -
[41]
Quote:
Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
Go eat some MORE sugar, dude... 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:45:00 -
[42]
Quote:
Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
Go eat some MORE sugar, dude...
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:53:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Lifewire
Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
hey man stfu, a lot of ppl dont want to go to 0.0 and be killed, let alone have no insurance and their ship towed away.
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Dsanta
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Posted - 2004.12.06 20:53:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Lifewire
Blablabla - i donŠt want to get more ISK. I have enough to kamikaze-die 100 x. I want a better game, less mining, more pvp-players, more people in 0.0 and more fun overall. Guys that donŠt like towing wrecks want mining mining mining - you guys are adicted to mining. Everybody says he is not a miner - but how comes that all the minerals that are needed to built ships are always there in suffiiant amount, hm??? The NPCs dont sell enough to cover all the destruction player-pirates and NPCs-rats do. You guys mine all this $hit minerals and you are so adicted to it that your brains are shutdown and you dont see when a good idea is posted. With wreck towing you have have a nice source of minerals and you donŠt need to mine all day. But you probably have to fight for the wreck if its a BS-wreck worth 60 mil ISK. But no - you want free ISK and your macro running - bah!
hey man stfu, a lot of ppl dont want to go to 0.0 and be killed, let alone have no insurance and their ship towed away.
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:10:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Dsanta
i didnt have enough minerals to make a new ferox.
insurance needs to be fixed, like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want.
example
i pay 40mil for a payout of 80mil
or
im lazy and only pay 35mil for a payout of 72mil
with 24 mil you should be able to buy mins and build a new one
"like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want" LOL
take a Shuttle - insure it for 100 mil - pay 40 mil to insurance and get 60 mil for a new shuttle??
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ElfeGER
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:10:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dsanta
i didnt have enough minerals to make a new ferox.
insurance needs to be fixed, like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want.
example
i pay 40mil for a payout of 80mil
or
im lazy and only pay 35mil for a payout of 72mil
with 24 mil you should be able to buy mins and build a new one
"like the ability to insure the ship to whatever payout you want" LOL
take a Shuttle - insure it for 100 mil - pay 40 mil to insurance and get 60 mil for a new shuttle??
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:27:00 -
[47]
It's been suggested time and again to open up for a scavenger/salvage profession.
 Idea Lab.
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:27:00 -
[48]
It's been suggested time and again to open up for a scavenger/salvage profession.
Idea Lab.
Convert Stations
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ponieus
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:30:00 -
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of all the junk I have seen you post(Travel Safe) I think this post is one of your better ones. I like your idea. I think it would be nice to be able to haul away wrecks for mins..
But with this comes something else.. The chance to kill a TDG supply line.. 
I would kill for the chance to catch you in a small slow ship rather than the small fast ones you are in when I have crossed paths with you and your goons..
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ponieus
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:30:00 -
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of all the junk I have seen you post(Travel Safe) I think this post is one of your better ones. I like your idea. I think it would be nice to be able to haul away wrecks for mins..
But with this comes something else.. The chance to kill a TDG supply line..
I would kill for the chance to catch you in a small slow ship rather than the small fast ones you are in when I have crossed paths with you and your goons..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:36:00 -
[51]
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/12/2004 21:40:00
"sorry, you got scammed, BC producing doesnt cost more then 22-24mio isk"
Sadly, the cheapest Ferox i saw on the market was costing 32 mil minus few isk, (and i checked few regions in search of one...) the average seems to be ~34-35 mil. Guess the producers want to make some profit on the new ship class before price wars start. ^^;;
re: the original idea, i like it. dunnoo how it'd work out in systems where there's lot of fighting going on, all the wrecks would probably lag the things badly. ^^;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:36:00 -
[52]
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/12/2004 21:40:00
"sorry, you got scammed, BC producing doesnt cost more then 22-24mio isk"
Sadly, the cheapest Ferox i saw on the market was costing 32 mil minus few isk, (and i checked few regions in search of one...) the average seems to be ~34-35 mil. Guess the producers want to make some profit on the new ship class before price wars start. ^^;;
re: the original idea, i like it. dunnoo how it'd work out in systems where there's lot of fighting going on, all the wrecks would probably lag the things badly. ^^;
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:41:00 -
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although I dont agree with your reasons for wanting this I do agree with the idear
however instead of making a new ship class use the existing scavenger ships (cruiser and frigate) either by towing the remains back to a station or by (yeah I know) mining the wreckage also my feeling on this would be that the wrecks should stay in space untill removed so that old battle fields (and new) would be littered with parts and bits of ships
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:41:00 -
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although I dont agree with your reasons for wanting this I do agree with the idear
however instead of making a new ship class use the existing scavenger ships (cruiser and frigate) either by towing the remains back to a station or by (yeah I know) mining the wreckage also my feeling on this would be that the wrecks should stay in space untill removed so that old battle fields (and new) would be littered with parts and bits of ships
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:43:00 -
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Salvaging wrecks is a good ideal, requiring salvage tow ships or tractor beam modules is a bad one. It's getting to the point in this game where you can't even wipe your own ass with out some help.
Me and many others would like to sometimes do things on our own not needing a freaking fleet to wipe our noses. Do you know how hard and impractical it is to get a single pilot to go with you deep inside hostile territory... I don't want to camp gates connecting Empire to .0 space with a bunch of other equally bored pilots pretending to have fun.
What are you going to do?
I'm going to kill them all sir |
NoHawker
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Posted - 2004.12.06 21:43:00 -
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Salvaging wrecks is a good ideal, requiring salvage tow ships or tractor beam modules is a bad one. It's getting to the point in this game where you can't even wipe your own ass with out some help.
Me and many others would like to sometimes do things on our own not needing a freaking fleet to wipe our noses. Do you know how hard and impractical it is to get a single pilot to go with you deep inside hostile territory... I don't want to camp gates connecting Empire to .0 space with a bunch of other equally bored pilots pretending to have fun.
What are you going to do?
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.12.07 04:07:00 -
[57]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 07/12/2004 04:12:59
Originally by: Bhaal
Quote:
Everybody knows it: the insurance makes it very easy for all. Actually i donŠt understand why people feel fear when they go into battle - if you donŠt use named stuff you donŠt loose much ISK when shot down.
I still have not purchased an Inty because the insurance is crap, so the above statement is equally crap...
I don't have the time to raise the isk required to fly and lose ships without 100% or near 100% insurance... I lose ships in PvP almost everytime, no way I can afford to not have insurance cover the bulk of the loss. I'd have to stop PvP'ing...
Or learn how to play the game.
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Why are you whining? The insurance you are complianing about only applies to tech I ships, and will go by the wayside as more & more Tech II ships are released & manufactured...
And Lifewire is stating that flying Tech 1 ships with tech 1 gear lets the pilot fight fairly effectively with next to zero risk. Haven't played for a few weeks cause I'm just fed up with how boring Eve has become, and that exodus and its POS havent changed a god damn thing.
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Shipwrecks would be cool, and I do like the idea of getting mins from them, but how does borking insurance and adding this feature help the one who lost the ship???
Why should the spoils go to the loser? He's not even advocating zero insurance, just a slightly reduced payout. The spoils would go to whoever maintains control of the battle area for a long while after the fight has taken place, "mindless ganking" then running wouldn't yield him anything.
I think it would be great, as long as you can destroy wrecks of ships with guns as well, to prevent the enemy from mining his ship back, or to reduce lag after a large battle if another is likely to take place
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.12.07 04:07:00 -
[58]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 07/12/2004 04:12:59
Originally by: Bhaal
Quote:
Everybody knows it: the insurance makes it very easy for all. Actually i donŠt understand why people feel fear when they go into battle - if you donŠt use named stuff you donŠt loose much ISK when shot down.
I still have not purchased an Inty because the insurance is crap, so the above statement is equally crap...
I don't have the time to raise the isk required to fly and lose ships without 100% or near 100% insurance... I lose ships in PvP almost everytime, no way I can afford to not have insurance cover the bulk of the loss. I'd have to stop PvP'ing...
Or learn how to play the game.
Quote:
Why are you whining? The insurance you are complianing about only applies to tech I ships, and will go by the wayside as more & more Tech II ships are released & manufactured...
And Lifewire is stating that flying Tech 1 ships with tech 1 gear lets the pilot fight fairly effectively with next to zero risk. Haven't played for a few weeks cause I'm just fed up with how boring Eve has become, and that exodus and its POS havent changed a god damn thing.
Quote:
Shipwrecks would be cool, and I do like the idea of getting mins from them, but how does borking insurance and adding this feature help the one who lost the ship???
Why should the spoils go to the loser? He's not even advocating zero insurance, just a slightly reduced payout. The spoils would go to whoever maintains control of the battle area for a long while after the fight has taken place, "mindless ganking" then running wouldn't yield him anything.
I think it would be great, as long as you can destroy wrecks of ships with guns as well, to prevent the enemy from mining his ship back, or to reduce lag after a large battle if another is likely to take place
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.12.07 05:17:00 -
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Very good idea... so long as it was balanced enough that people couldnt profit from selfdestructing (ie insurance payout is reduced, salvagable materials are somewhat minimal but worthwhile)
On a side note, how about insurance companies start actually making some profit (isk sink) instead of handing out so much isk to those who cant seem to stop dying. |
Rivek
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Posted - 2004.12.07 05:17:00 -
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Very good idea... so long as it was balanced enough that people couldnt profit from selfdestructing (ie insurance payout is reduced, salvagable materials are somewhat minimal but worthwhile)
On a side note, how about insurance companies start actually making some profit (isk sink) instead of handing out so much isk to those who cant seem to stop dying. |
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