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Jerid Verges
Gallente The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.17 23:34:00 -
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Long story short. Basically people are using the momentum of supercaps (Or whatever ships that will work) to 'bump' enemy ships outside of POS bubbles. Here is an article in which POS bowling was recently used to kill a Titan Linkage
And no, this is not some whine thread about getting F-ed by POS Bowling (Just to head that off)
The issue here is that people are exploiting the existing flaws in space astronautics of the Eve game to do things that make absolutely Zero sense. A shield is suppose to deflect massive amounts of firepower, yet, a super cap can be slung into it to bounce ships inside out (The super cap is then forced out by the shield) Almost like it was made of rubber instead of energy.
There is also the second issue of tiny Interceptors bouncing ships the size of Titans like a ping pong ball. No sense whatsoever. The mass of a Titan is so great a tiny interceptor should be flattened by it. But the reason a Titan is bounced is not because of mass issues, but because of the silly borked coding of 'autoavoidance computers' that keep and two ships from touching in the game.
Suggestions: -Require POS password to be entered if warping to a BM inside a POS shield. -Recode POS shields so that nothing, not even ships with huge momentum, can push into a POS shield. When I hit a wall I certainly stop pretty dead cold. -Introduce an anchor ship option for supercapitals so that SuperCaps cannot be moved unless unanchored. -Create a new ship collision avoidance code that takes into consideration two ship's mass when a 'bump' occurs (Ships with high mass would not be moved at all)
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Scerolikk Teromni
B'haxed Productions DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.05.17 23:40:00 -
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http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=POS_Bowling
"As of May 2007, POS Bowling was considered to be an exploit."
"Soon after the exploit announcement was made, there was a change made to the game which made it impossible to warp to the inside of a forcefield without the password, and instead a ship trying to warp into a field was warped 10,000m away."
Somebody must have had the POS password.
This thread is 3 years obsolete.
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Verys
Burning Technologies Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.05.17 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=POS_Bowling
"As of May 2007, POS Bowling was considered to be an exploit."
"Soon after the exploit announcement was made, there was a change made to the game which made it impossible to warp to the inside of a forcefield without the password, and instead a ship trying to warp into a field was warped 10,000m away."
Somebody must have had the POS password.
This thread is 3 years obsolete.
The mechanic has only become a bannable offence nothing more but what it doesn't do is solve the problem. The titan from the news post was bumped out by warping THROUGH the pos which is apparently still possible because it happened with the atlas titan and I've seen people warping through a friendly pos with dreadnoughts as well.
Originally by: Jerid Verges
Suggestions: -Require POS password to be entered if warping to a BM inside a POS shield. -Recode POS shields so that nothing, not even ships with huge momentum, can push into a POS shield. When I hit a wall I certainly stop pretty dead cold. -Introduce an anchor ship option for supercapitals so that SuperCaps cannot be moved unless unanchored. -Create a new ship collision avoidance code that takes into consideration two ship's mass when a 'bump' occurs (Ships with high mass would not be moved at all)
1. Yes absolutely 2. Agreed 3. I'd rather like to see that titans are locked in place just like dreads in siege when the jump portal is activated rather than an overall anchor. 4. Absolutely although changes have been made to less then impact supercapitals should not be so easily impacted by ships many times smaller.
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Jerid Verges
The Society of Innovation The Last Stand
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Posted - 2010.05.18 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scerolikk Teromni
This thread is 3 years obsolete.
Then how does POS bowling still exist? It happens. I cannot attest to the frequency or how small a ship can be bumped outside a POS, but the article in OP is evidence POS bowling still happens.
Quote: I'd rather like to see that titans are locked in place just like dreads in siege when the jump portal is activated rather than an overall anchor.
Titans are not the only supercapitals that can be affected by this.
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steave435
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.05.18 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: steave435 on 18/05/2010 01:18:52
Quote: Then how does POS bowling still exist?
It doesn't. What must have happened was that they managed to get the POS password, and then they warped in some capitals, with the correct password allowing them to enter, and used those to bump out the titan.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.18 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 18/05/2010 03:26:42
Originally by: steave435 Edited by: steave435 on 18/05/2010 01:18:52
Quote: Then how does POS bowling still exist?
It doesn't. What must have happened was that they managed to get the POS password, and then they warped in some capitals, with the correct password allowing them to enter, and used those to bump out the titan.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.18 08:19:00 -
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Pos bowling is fixed for quite some time now.. ---
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CrickCrack
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:04:00 -
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Execution POS bowling is instant player Account termination according to CCP regulations.
If there still in game then they must have had the POS Shield Password.
CCP will have to check all players involved in killing the Ship to see if one or more of them entered the POS shield password that day around that time.
If they had used the POS shield password then they had all the right to kill the ship.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.05.18 11:41:00 -
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What is the point of the whole standings system if a simple password is all it takes to bypass it?
POS shields should behave like a solid object to anyone without blue standings regardless of access to password. Create a POS setting tickbox to allow pass to override standings (ie. as is) if need be. People can still pull their lame-ass meta-gaming to bump a ship out but it would require burning the infiltrator .. risk/reward.
The mass dependent bumping mechanic is already in game as far as I know, whether it could do with a tweak is another matter
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.18 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Bagehi on 18/05/2010 15:52:34 If you don't have the password, you warp to 10km outside the POS. If you have the password, you can warp right to the POS. This isn't an exploit, this is bad security. A costly mistake.
This dev blog promises an end to this silliness. POSes will be able to be set based on alliance standings.
Quote: Starbases
A new feature of Tyrannis is that you can decide which contact list (corporation or alliance) a POS should adhere to.
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steave435
Caldari Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.05.18 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi Edited by: Bagehi on 18/05/2010 15:52:34 If you don't have the password, you warp to 10km outside the POS. If you have the password, you can warp right to the POS. This isn't an exploit, this is bad security. A costly mistake.
This dev blog promises an end to this silliness. POSes will be able to be set based on alliance standings.
Quote: Starbases
A new feature of Tyrannis is that you can decide which contact list (corporation or alliance) a POS should adhere to.
No, it doesn't actually. Standings are not used to give access to the forcefield, so this will only mean that you don't have to set everyone blue on corp level to prevent your towers from actually firing on people.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 18/05/2010 17:14:27
Originally by: Jerid Verges Edited by: Jerid Verges on 18/05/2010 00:15:01 Long story short. Basically people are using the momentum of supercaps (Or whatever ships that will work) to 'bump' enemy ships outside of POS bubbles. Here is an article in which POS bowling was recently used to kill a Titan Linkage
And no, this is not some whine thread about getting F-ed by POS Bowling (Just to head that off)
The issue here is that people are exploiting the existing flaws in space astronautics of the Eve game to do things that make absolutely Zero sense. A shield is suppose to deflect massive amounts of firepower, yet, a super cap can be slung into it to bounce ships inside out (The super cap is then forced out by the shield) Almost like it was made of rubber instead of energy.
There is also the second issue of tiny Interceptors bouncing ships the size of Titans like a ping pong ball. No sense whatsoever. The mass of a Titan is so great a tiny interceptor should be flattened by it. But the reason a Titan is bounced is not because of mass issues, but because of the silly borked coding of 'autoavoidance computers' that keep and two ships from touching in the game.
Suggestions: -Require POS password to be entered if warping to a BM inside a POS shield or a BM that intersects with a POS shield in transit. -Recode POS shields so that nothing, not even ships with huge momentum, can push into a POS shield. When I hit a wall I certainly stop pretty dead cold. -Introduce an anchor ship option for supercapitals so that SuperCaps cannot be moved unless unanchored. -Create a new ship collision avoidance code that takes into consideration two ship's mass when a 'bump' occurs (Ships with high mass would not be moved at all)
1) The dread that collided with the titan was friendly, so it had the POS password.
2) This is not POS bowling, you obviously have no idea what POS bowling is, or was, so I will explain it to you:
Band of Brothers was probably the most prolific abuser of said crime, where, 3 or 4 titans were warped at 0 to an enemy control tower, of course being ejected again since they didn't have the password (the fields were porous then, you could penetrate at speed, but would then be ejected). Upon ejection, collision mechanics would drive other ships out at great speeds as the titans left the POS. The BoB fleet would usually be hot on the heels of the titans, raping everything that got cleared from the shields.
This was fixed THREE YEARS AGO.
Now, shields are solid state, warping to a tower, when you do not have the password, stops you a few KM from the shield edge- Read that as the LEADING EDGE of YOUR ship is stopped a few km short.
UNLESS,
You have the pos password.
You sir, need a game mechanics review before this goes any further, as obviously, you are ill informed about how towers, caps, and super caps properly work in todays EVE.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida What is the point of the whole standings system if a simple password is all it takes to bypass it?
POS shields should behave like a solid object to anyone without blue standings regardless of access to password. Create a POS setting tickbox to allow pass to override standings (ie. as is) if need be. People can still pull their lame-ass meta-gaming to bump a ship out but it would require burning the infiltrator .. risk/reward.
Yea, sure, we could make POS shields standings dependent, then, when you keep a bunch of crap floating in your towers (like spare dictors and logistics that MANY alliances leave in high value POS), I can simply get an alt in to a group blue to you, and come take all that stuff.
No, actually, thats a terrible idea.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.18 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin Yea, sure, we could make POS shields standings dependent, then, when you keep a bunch of crap floating in your towers (like spare dictors and logistics that MANY alliances leave in high value POS), I can simply get an alt in to a group blue to you, and come take all that stuff.
No, actually, thats a terrible idea.
I kinda like that idea. "Spy" alts will actually have to be in the fleet/POS to accomplish their ends.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.18 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Grath Telkin Yea, sure, we could make POS shields standings dependent, then, when you keep a bunch of crap floating in your towers (like spare dictors and logistics that MANY alliances leave in high value POS), I can simply get an alt in to a group blue to you, and come take all that stuff.
No, actually, thats a terrible idea.
I kinda like that idea. "Spy" alts will actually have to be in the fleet/POS to accomplish their ends.
Not really, if your POS is set to allow blues in, and you leave something in it, Me, with blue standings, can swing by that POS any time of the 23 hour day I want to "liberate" the item from the evil POS.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.18 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Grath Telkin Yea, sure, we could make POS shields standings dependent, then, when you keep a bunch of crap floating in your towers (like spare dictors and logistics that MANY alliances leave in high value POS), I can simply get an alt in to a group blue to you, and come take all that stuff.
No, actually, thats a terrible idea.
I kinda like that idea. "Spy" alts will actually have to be in the fleet/POS to accomplish their ends.
Not really, if your POS is set to allow blues in, and you leave something in it, Me, with blue standings, can swing by that POS any time of the 23 hour day I want to "liberate" the item from the evil POS.
That's why you are in PL and I'm not blue to you.
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