| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
   |
Posted - 2010.05.20 11:58:00 -
[1]
I feel all that is happening right now can go much smoother if only the unenlightened would understand the current events.
Nation would not have come down to your homes to liberate your people if these people would simply turn themselves in for the good that is awaiting them.
The reason this isn't happening is clearly a misunderstanding.
Something I see consistently confirmed by unenlightened souls reasoning (to the extend to which they even can using their limited knowledge) is that they do not understand the meaning of true freedom.
There are two forms of freedom:
Firstly there is the individual freedom meaning everyone is free to do anything, anytime, anywhere he or she pleases.
This freedom leads to pure misery, it leads to everyone helping themselves and only themselves.
People will devour each other given this freedom and it is exactly for that reason that this barbaric phenomenon does not exist.
Not even the most primitive of creatures we know in our universe have this freedom.
Every organism out there has something besides himself that it takes care of.
This freedom is a theoretical freedom - an illusion if you will - and at the same time it is the supporting pillar of your existence.
It is what would lead to the full extinction of any race and it is what the unenlightened believe in.
The second freedom is the practical freedom.
It's definition is simple.
Complete - in the most absolute sense of the word - freedom accustomed to the actuality of unity.
It is, after all, only when particles flow in one and the same direction that there is no risk of collision.
Your society flows in many directions.
You all believe you are free because you're allowed to choose any one of its colliding courses.
It is the many people amongst you that set these courses: politicians with agendas, millitary personnel with hidden agendas, the list goes on...
Each set a direction of their own and each accumulates a group of followers setting in motion a flow that collides.
When you choose that one politician in your so called democracy it does not mean all the others will leave it at that.
Many people will continue to steer followers in many directions and it causes a threat, because it means that anything you do that abides your laws in the first place may collide with someone else's train of thought and where flows collide blood is spilled.
You can't do anything without breaking a law, risking death or even both and this is what you call freedom.
There is but one cure to this: a single flow, because a single flow cannot collide.
Since the not so great leaders of your empires have repeatedly shown incompetent in achieving this ultimate goal someone else, capable of doing it, had to stand up and sacrifice himself by taking this great responsibility and releasing all others from having to carry the burdain.
Master Kuvakei brings us tranquility.
He brings us a single bearing under which we can be free.
Think twice before calling it dictatorship and realize that it's the only means to a life where you can say and do anything without the risk of being murdered because of it, for others will do the exact same.
Unity is what brings us freedom, Nation brings us unity and Master Kuvakei offers you all this on a silver platter.
Take it while you can.
Pledge allegiance to Master Kuvakei.
Discover true freedom.
Nation is bound to prevail.
For Nation. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:06:00 -
[2]
When the Sansha are again defeated and the wheels come off Kuvakei's bandwagon, you'll be left to cope with the stigma on your own.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
|
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:21:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: ECHAeries
Think twice before calling it dictatorship and realize that it's the only means to a life where you can say and do anything without the risk of being murdered because of it, for others will do the exact same.
I would never call a hive mind a dictatorship. That doesn't mean that the loss of individuality is a good thing.
Individuality is what makes us, us. Our freedom to disagree and clash shapes us, evolves us. Our fastest progress is made when a driven man disagrees with another. Had Li Azbel agreed with the general belief that FTL communication is impossible, I would have to dispatch a courier to deliver this message to you.
The loss of the individual is the beginning of death.
|
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:31:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Shikobo Nonu
The loss of the individual is the beginning of death.
On the contrary, you're killing yourself by being yourself before thinking of the greater purpose.
You lack purpose, you need the purpose of unity and therefore unity itself.
You need Nation and you need to be Nation to serve your purpose... freely. |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:32:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
When the Sansha are again defeated and the wheels come off Kuvakei's bandwagon, you'll be left to cope with the stigma on your own.
You know, times are truly strange when I'm forced to compliment an Amarrian on his invective, but... I agree, totally.
-----
|
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:49:00 -
[6]
Originally by: ECHAeries
On the contrary, you're killing yourself by being yourself before thinking of the greater purpose.
You lack purpose, you need the purpose of unity and therefore unity itself.
You need Nation and you need to be Nation to serve your purpose... freely.
Nation opposes and threatens the individuality and personal sovereignty of every single person. Therefore, my purpose is clear. My purpose is to aid in the defeat of Nation.
Somehow, I don't believe being in Nation is going to help me serve that purpose.
|
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:53:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Shikobo Nonu
My purpose is to aid in the defeat of Nation.
In short this means your purpose is to lead yourself to your own destruction and that is what it's always been.
You just explain it differently since Nation's new dawn.
We offer to help you.
Nation is infinite. |
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 12:58:00 -
[8]
Originally by: ECHAeries
In short this means your purpose is to lead yourself to your own destruction and that is what it's always been.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? It does not make sense to me. please explain.
|
Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 13:32:00 -
[9]
Not all different individual courses cause collisions.
Not all collisions are harmful.
____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 14:48:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Shikobo Nonu
Originally by: ECHAeries
In short this means your purpose is to lead yourself to your own destruction and that is what it's always been.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? It does not make sense to me. please explain.
Quite simple.
Your own society is on a collision course with itself.
Given enough time the various empires will destroy both each other and themselves, because that's inherent to the freedom as it's called in your mentality driven by denial.
Only unity can save your existence and only Nation brings unity.
Nation can save you if you subject yourselves.
Nation is your only hope. Nation is endless. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:03:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 20/05/2010 20:04:17
Originally by: ECHAeries
Quite simple.
Your own society is on a collision course with itself.
Given enough time the various empires will destroy both each other and themselves, because that's inherent to the freedom as it's called in your mentality driven by denial.
Only unity can save your existence and only Nation brings unity.
Nation can save you if you subject yourselves.
Nation is your only hope. Nation is endless.
Hysterical...truly laughable! Is it me or does anyone else find it amusing that this drivel is coming from the mouth of someone that hasn't been unwillingly wired into a carrier or some other starship and known by nothing other than "slave something", been cut into pieces for some experiment OR been abducted from thier home world to be "liberated"?
(comments expressed here may not reflect those of Blacklight Inc.) |
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:12:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Hysterical...truly laughable! Is it me or does anyone else find it amusing that this drivel is coming from the mouth of someone that hasn't been unwillingly wired into a carrier or some other starship and known by nothing other than "slave something", been cut into pieces for some experiment OR been abducted from thier home world to be "liberated"?
Don't you dare to misjudge me, scrub.
I sided with Nation of my own free will because it is the only logical choice if you are capable of reasoning in a truly unrestrained manner.
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:29:00 -
[13]
Originally by: ECHAeries
Don't you dare to misjudge me, scrub.
I sided with Nation of my own free will because it is the only logical choice if you are capable of reasoning in a truly unrestrained manner.
Scrub...scrub...<laughs aloud>...well my fellow capsuleers, I guess I finally asked the right question!
Just like any other mindless sicophant groupie that REALLY doesn't understand the moronic dogma they're spewing and blindly following some swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood...you call them out with thier own words and what happens? They get hostile and call you a scrub! <laughs again>
YOU...sided with nation because when you were a little girl your father didn't give you a pony or that emperess dolly you wanted for your birthday. You decided to get back at them...and now you feel that THIS is rebelling against your parents? Your even more pathetic than I originally thought.
You are dismissed SlaveECHAeries...<laughs>
(comments expressed here may not reflect those of Blacklight Inc.) |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:33:00 -
[14]
Originally by: ECHAeries
the only logical choice
Originally by: ECHAeries
if you are capable of reasoning in a truly unrestrained manner.
Logic and unrestrained reasoning are mutually exclusive. Swing and a miss.
-----
|
Skipp Alfrothul
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:45:00 -
[15]
Your nation, if successful, will eliminate diversity of ideas and unless I miss my guess biology. You will be limited by a single mind, able to think in a single way, not the glorious chaotic dissonance we hear about us now from which true innovation spawns sometimes on accident. All of our eggs will be put in one proverbial basket and the first time we encounter something Sansha is unable to deal with, the humanity will die with you. And whatever comes to replace us will point and laugh (morphology permitting).
Having seen this glorious vision before, I must dissent.
|
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 20:53:00 -
[16]
Originally by: ECHAeries
Quite simple.
Your own society is on a collision course with itself.
Given enough time the various empires will destroy both each other and themselves, because that's inherent to the freedom as it's called in your mentality driven by denial.
Empires rise, and empires fall. Such is the way of time. As long as a single soul is willing to stand and fight for his freedom, freedom is eternal.
It is, by the way, worth pointing out that Nation is on a collision course with capsuleers. Nation has already made personal enemies among the capsuleer population. I would worry about the collision course Nation is on, if I were you.
Demigods can hold grudges for a very, very long time.
Originally by: ECHAeries
Only unity can save your existence and only Nation brings unity.
Nation can save you if you subject yourselves.
Nation is your only hope. Nation is endless.
Nation's unity is slavery. If my only hope is Nation and its repulsive practice of slavery, I would rather die.
|
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:02:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Shikobo Nonu
It is, by the way, worth pointing out that Nation is on a collision course with capsuleers. Nation has already made personal enemies among the capsuleer population. I would worry about the collision course Nation is on, if I were you.
This is much lesser of an issue since Nation is superior to all.
Without our aid you will destroy each other right up to the demise of your species, but this will be solved as soon as all are Nation.
The only question is... how long does it need to take and how many of you will choose rebirth in the prosperity that is Nation?
For your own good I can only hope as many of you as possible will choose to pledge allegiance.
Nation is - after all - infinite.
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:05:00 -
[18]
Originally by: ECHAeries
Nation is - after all - infinite.
I think I don't just speak for myself when I say:
Challenge accepted.
|
Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:06:00 -
[19]
Originally by: ECHAeries
This is much lesser of an issue since Nation is superior to all.
Apparently not.
-----
|
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:11:00 -
[20]
Originally by: ECHAeries
This is much lesser of an issue since Nation is superior to all.
As evidenced by all the wreckage of your fleet floating in space...right? Lets hear it for superiority...
Originally by: ECHAeries
Nation is - after all - infinite.
....riiiiiiiiight, we believe you.
(comments expressed here may not reflect those of Blacklight Inc.) |
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:16:00 -
[21]
Nation will prevail.
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
|
Posted - 2010.05.20 21:21:00 -
[22]
Originally by: ECHAeries
Nation will prevail.
<spits her firewater out as she laughs>
That has got to be funniest thing I've seen all day. Keep it up...its amusing.
...you are dismissed slaveECHAeries.
(comments expressed here may not reflect those of Blacklight Inc.) |
Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
|
Posted - 2010.05.21 01:42:00 -
[23]
Arguing with these people is like trying to convince a jackal not to lick itself.
They don't understand reason and logic, and they respond only in platitudes that are basically structured: "Nation" + is + noun.
There is never any attempt to engage with the basic inconsistencies at hand in their behaviour.
I feel that some of you Sansha sympathisers would benefit from engagement with Ida.
Until that enlightened moment, pal'Vayam.
|
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.21 08:37:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
They don't understand reason and logic
Unity is freedom. Nation is unity.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Until that enlightened moment, pal'Vayam.
We are transcendents - Nation is infinite.
One Nation.
One voice.
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
Shikobo Nonu
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2010.05.21 08:45:00 -
[25]
Originally by: ECHAeries
Unity is freedom.
Does not compute.
Originally by: ECHAeries
We are transcendents - Nation is infinite.
This remains to be proven.
|
Karosaki
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
|
Posted - 2010.05.21 20:18:00 -
[26]
Bah, we capsuleers have all eternity in front of us and I for one will not be intimidated by a mindless drone barking on his master's whim. The Sansha Nation reeks of stagnation, decay and death. The recent attacks are just the last agonizing twitch of the decapitated corpse. Do everyone a favor and biomass yourself, because this be the only useful thing you will ever achieve.
|
BloodBird
Nova Foundry
|
Posted - 2010.05.21 20:32:00 -
[27]
Originally by: ECHAeries
I feel all that is happening right now can go much smoother if only the unenlightened would understand the current events.
Nation would not have come down to your homes to liberate your people if these people would simply turn themselves in for the good that is awaiting them.
The reason this isn't happening is clearly a misunderstanding...
Stopped reading your deranged crap right here. I believe another said things very wel so let me just quote said other right here:
Originally by: Rodj Blake
When the Sansha are again defeated and the wheels come off Kuvakei's bandwagon, you'll be left to cope with the stigma on your own.
Everyone who join with the Sansha join the enemy of my people and humankind at large, and will forever carry the stigma of that betrayal. Sooner or later Sansha will be stopped. You however, will be marked a betrayer for millenia to come.
-------------------------------------
Alexander Kamy· Allisieer - CO-founder, NOVAF |
snake driver
Amarr
|
Posted - 2010.05.22 07:54:00 -
[28]
Ok, seriously, which is it? I've talked with several different members and non-member supporters of Nation, and gotten a different answer from each one. Based on what you're saying here:
"It is, after all, only when particles flow in one and the same direction that there is no risk of collision."
Individuality is, as one of you put it, "the disease killing society." You describe individuality and the desire for individual expression as a bad thing. And yet, when I was discussing this with Chell, he explained that Nation embraced individuality and encouraged it.
Could you all please get together and figure out what the hell you believe? I want to understand what I'm fighting for or against, but all I'm hearing is "unity, unity, unity." When I ask what that means, I get different answers from every one of you, which makes it difficult to take the whole "unity" thing seriously.
In the meantime, my family and friends are being threatened by an outside force claiming that it has come to liberate them, but failing to explain how life is actually going to be better in concrete terms. I'm not exactly inclined to sit back and let you take them.
In short, when there are a dozen sources of information and no good way to determine which is true, the ones that all say the same thing tend to gain credibility, while the ones that disagree with each other tend to crumble. The so-called "empire propaganda" pretty much says the same thing. The members of your supposed "unity" have a real case of discord to get over.
So, which of the dozen different explanations I've gotten from Nation is the right one?
|
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari
Protocol Dark
|
Posted - 2010.05.22 08:31:00 -
[29]
You fail to grasp the most basic principle of Master's lesson.
Do not tell them. Show them. Show that you are truly free, that their worries are not your concern. Show them how broken and shattered they are. Show them how lost they are.
Shall I show you the truth?
Master sees all. Show him your devotion.
|
ECHAeries
Shiva Discharge
|
Posted - 2010.05.22 11:07:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
You fail to grasp the most basic principle of Master's lesson.
I am a devotee and a transcendent.
My reasons are my interpretation of His exertion.
I am not like you.
Step back, for Nation does not acknowledge you.
Nation is unity.
SparklesTheTranny > aeries will you marry me |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |