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Mathias Black
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:03:00 -
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Hello all,
I'm coming back to try Eve again after being gone for four years. I notice that despite tons of changes, the one thing that always bothered me the most is still a problem: the tiny font size in the UI that makes my eyes bleed. Unfortunately my eyes are four years older and my monitor resolution is four times higher now, so the problem is even worse and it was literally painful to try to play. I've seen quite a few threads all over with people asking if the font issue could be fixed, but I've never seen any response from CCP. Does anyone know if CCP has ever responded to comments about the unreadable font? I'm sure I'll get about fifty replies telling me to gtfo because the font is awesome, but I would really appreciate it if one of those fifty could post a link or something if a dev ever has responded. I want to know if there's any chance of it being fixed within the next expansion or two, or if they've officially said they will never update the UI.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:06:00 -
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Well I guess you're not the only one who wants either different sizes or completely different fonts in the game... I know I want some options there, also.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:06:00 -
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-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Mathias Black
I'm sure I'll get about fifty replies telling me to gtfo because the font is awesome, but I would really appreciate it if one of those fifty could post a link or something if a dev ever has responded.
I'd really doubt that as there is no single person in EVE that doesn't find current UI fonts terrible. I for myself too am interested in some answers.
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:23:00 -
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The font is awesome stfu
No you're right, it's terrible, but CCP's to-do list must be massive so who knows when they'll get round to it
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Lashnar
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:49:00 -
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Are you guys playing the same EVE as me? Because I can adjust my font size. You have to up the size twice everytime though. Since oddly enough everytime you just up it once, the letters are just spaced it apart.
Example: Say size thirteen would be this: J I T A and Size fourteen would be this JITA. size fifteen would be spaced out again and so on and so forth.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lashnar
Are you guys playing the same EVE as me? Because I can adjust my font size. You have to up the size twice everytime though. Since oddly enough everytime you just up it once, the letters are just spaced it apart.
Example: Say size thirteen would be this: J I T A and Size fourteen would be this JITA. size fifteen would be spaced out again and so on and so forth.
And how exactly do you do that?
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Lady Corrigan
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Posted - 2010.05.20 18:57:00 -
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Bigger fonts are a must please please please. I have an eye condition whereby i have to run my eve at 1440x990 not my native res of 1920x1080. Just so i can squint and see what i am reading.
Larger fonts would be very much appreciated.
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:01:00 -
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only solution as of now is kill your resolution. larger blurryier fonts, but it works 
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Lashnar
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lashnar on 20/05/2010 19:02:53
Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Lashnar
Are you guys playing the same EVE as me? Because I can adjust my font size. You have to up the size twice everytime though. Since oddly enough everytime you just up it once, the letters are just spaced it apart.
Example: Say size thirteen would be this: J I T A and Size fourteen would be this JITA. size fifteen would be spaced out again and so on and so forth.
And how exactly do you do that?
I just went into the settings. I can't remember it has been a few months since I did it. Just right click on things. White triangles, general settings.
If you're asking about the chat there are two different A's there that you click to adjust the size.
I'll go check.
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Kuso Tabeteshine
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:09:00 -
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If you make the font larger, you can't fit as much on the screen. If you make it small, it has to look horrible because pretty fonts are unreadable in very small sizes. Besides, can't you change the font size in the settings?
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:17:00 -
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For those who are confused, you can scale fonts in the chat windows only--everywhere else, there are a few choices, the largest of which is still too small on a 1920x1200 display.
What bugs me most is that CCP has never addressed this issue that I've seen.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.20 19:26:00 -
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I've always assumed that the EVE font is because I touch myself at night.
(I'm sorry I'll try and stop)
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Moolti
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.20 20:26:00 -
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This bugs me as well. It's not a problem if I am using my desktop with a good monitor, but on my laptop mission text is nearly unreadable.
Also a year ago i had the brilliant idea of using my big HD TV for Eve, it looked brilliant, but no mater what i did, text was unreadable.
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Mathias Black
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Posted - 2010.05.20 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mathias Black on 20/05/2010 23:11:18
Originally by: Kyra Felann
What bugs me most is that CCP has never addressed this issue that I've seen.
Lame... so never even a "We know it's a problem but consider it low priority" in the four years people have been bringing it up? That's not promising... :( Well I guess I can try lowering my resolution to 800x600 or something ridiculous and see how that goes... it's just frustrating that nearly every game I own scales its UI to adapt to resolution but Eve still can't, despite ongoing development and an entire graphics engine overhaul.
I'm guessing the UI code is a twisted mess of spaghetti code written by someone who got fired six years ago, and now no one wants to touch it. Just outsource the dev work, CCP! Hire a contractor! I can send you some resumes! Written in legible fonts! (Ohhh burn)
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.05.21 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini
Originally by: Mathias Black
I'm sure I'll get about fifty replies telling me to gtfo because the font is awesome, but I would really appreciate it if one of those fifty could post a link or something if a dev ever has responded.
I'd really doubt that as there is no single person in EVE that doesn't find current UI fonts terrible. I for myself too am interested in some answers.
I find them slightly too large - I always need to switch windows or scroll to see any reasonable amount of data. Not everybody has severe vision problems, you know? (And I do even wear glasses.)
I am therefore all for being able to change the font size to suit anyone's needs. (without making the font as ass-ugly as the chat window font at minimum size!)
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ChrisIsherwood
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Posted - 2010.05.21 09:09:00 -
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Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
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CCP Fear
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Posted - 2010.05.21 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
SoonÖ ;)
p.s.
Not in Tyrannis!
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.21 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
p.s.
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There pops my dream bubble 
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.05.21 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 21/05/2010 10:12:41
I don't know why EVE did not use the inbuilt fonts which are Trutype. It must have cost a lot in time and effort to produce their own fonts which are unscalable and hardly future proof. Waste of money. But then it's no surprise they did it this way really, I find all UI decisions perverse. You should be able to right click any font and change it. It's not new technology.
Looking at the average patch change list I see fixes to problems that simply should no be there. CCP, when will you get the hint, dump the UI and open it up to modding?
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mathias Black
Well I guess I can try lowering my resolution to 800x600 or something ridiculous and see how that goes...
Minimal you can get is 1024x768 (at least if you only count "supported" ones).
Originally by: Mathias Black
it's just frustrating that nearly every game I own scales its UI to adapt to resolution but Eve still can't, despite ongoing development and an entire graphics engine overhaul.
Not quite true: with time it "adapted" so much that now you hardly have any place for all nececary windows unless you use really high resolution. 
Font always was unreadable and CCP was quick to hide it deep in client files when players found a way to change it to somehting better.
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Ambo
I've Got Nothing
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:19:00 -
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I've never understood people's problem with the font tbh. I play at 1920x1080 and do not have 20/20 vision but I have no problems reading the font at all.
That's not to say it shouldn't be fixed... Just saying I don't get it.
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onemoon
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Posted - 2010.05.21 11:38:00 -
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I have problems seeing the font as well, maxed out font size, spacing and lowered the resolution in order to be able play eve. Larger, bolder font please. Make eve more playable for those of us that have problem with our sight. 
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The Pricer
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Posted - 2010.05.21 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ambo
I've never understood people's problem with the font tbh. I play at 1920x1080 and do not have 20/20 vision but I have no problems reading the font at all.
That's not to say it shouldn't be fixed... Just saying I don't get it.
Same, i run on a 22" screen and i dont, but apprantaly people who have hug tv's or 30"+ screens have tiny font due to the res....allthough at that res i dought they will be able to read for long anyway 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.21 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini
there is no single person in EVE that doesn't find current UI fonts terrible. I for myself too am interested in some answers.
Lies. I am perfectly happy with the current font. The only time I've ever even needed the expanded font was when I was paying on a 21" screen running at 2048x1536.
Adding options is always good, but super-ginormous font for the visually impaired better not become mandatory.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
They hired a font guy? For what? The main complaint is size and that's an easy fix:
allow for different font sizes.
There...Tada.
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Angeli Domini
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Lies. I am perfectly happy with the current font. The only time I've ever even needed the expanded font was when I was paying on a 21" screen running at 2048x1536.
Adding options is always good, but super-ginormous font for the visually impaired better not become mandatory.
Nobody calls for them being mandatory, don't twist the reality here. People just would like to see a step forward into 1990's, see those three current horrible bitmap fonts dropped and see an introduction of a proper, scalable font rendering. You can still keep your current font sizes and be perfectly happy with them, but other people with different eyes (mine are close to perfect and I can't stand the current fonts either) and different hardware can choose what suits them better. You know, like for example, color schemes, or audio volume. Do those bother you too?
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Frederick Corvinus
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
They hired a font guy? For what? The main complaint is size and that's an easy fix:
allow for different font sizes.
There...Tada.
Not quite that simple. Font size makes no difference to readability on large screens at 1920x1080 - for example, using a TV with HDMI/DVI it's still unreadable (increase the chat channel font size on a 30"+ screen and you'll see what I mean). A truetype font would fix it pretty quickly... don't see why we can't just use fonts from our local installation.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Frederick Corvinus
... don't see why we can't just use fonts from our local installation.
I dont know if this is true but apparently it was possible to do so, then CCP nerfed it.
Why? Hell, I don't know. Apparently CCP has control issues and wants EVERYONE to experience the game...the same way. For better or worse.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Angeli Domini
Nobody calls for them being mandatory
I didn't intend to imply they did; it's simply that given CCP's track record with the UI, I would regard any changes made to parts of it I am ok with with trepidation. I mean, wasn't the current font a replacement for an older, better font?
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Frederick Corvinus
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Originally by: Frederick Corvinus
... don't see why we can't just use fonts from our local installation.
I dont know if this is true but apparently it was possible to do so, then CCP nerfed it.
Why? Hell, I don't know. Apparently CCP has control issues and wants EVERYONE to experience the game...the same way. For better or worse.
Thinking about it more I can partly understand why they would limit it - providing a consistent... maybe a number of options not to far away from how the colors are selected?
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Pwnzorator
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Posted - 2010.05.21 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Pwnzorator on 21/05/2010 13:58:35
I think it would help if people stop attributing the problem to using high-resolution screens. Overall screen resolution is irrelevant, what matters is a combination of dot pitch and view distance.
My eyesight isn't great, but the standard font size is fine on my 1920*1080 monitor (23", 0.265mm dot pitch) viewed from about 3-4 feet. When I bought it, this was the smallest (and thus lowest dotpitch) 1920*1080 monitor Iácould find.
I suspect most of the people complaining are using laptops with very small dot pitch. Most desktop monitors won't have this problem (most low dot pitch ones are designed for CAD/DTPáuse, and thus are extremely expensive)
I'm not saying this isn't a problem for some people, but please stop trying to say it affects everyone who uses a high resolution. This simply isn't as widespread a problem as most of the people in this thread think.
I don't like the font because there's no visible difference between I, l and 1, or O and 0.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pwnzorator
Edited by: Pwnzorator on 21/05/2010 13:58:35
I think it would help if people stop attributing the problem to using high-resolution screens. Overall screen resolution is irrelevant, what matters is a combination of dot pitch and view distance.
My eyesight isn't great, but the standard font size is fine on my 1920*1080 monitor (23", 0.265mm dot pitch) viewed from about 3-4 feet. When I bought it, this was the smallest (and thus lowest dotpitch) 1920*1080 monitor Iácould find.
I suspect most of the people complaining are using laptops with very small dot pitch. Most desktop monitors won't have this problem (most low dot pitch ones are designed for CAD/DTPáuse, and thus are extremely expensive)
I'm not saying this isn't a problem for some people, but please stop trying to say it affects everyone who uses a high resolution. This simply isn't as widespread a problem as most of the people in this thread think.
I don't like the font because there's no visible difference between I, l and 1, or O and 0.
Quoting this.
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.05.21 14:16:00 -
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Isn't it comforting to know that the font, an issue from day one of the game's launch has persisted these 7 years while the <1% of the Eve population that have AlienFX keyboards are getting their AlienFX feature in Tyrannis when there's maybe been 1 post asking about it. I mean, that comforts me to no end that the developers are working very hard to make this game the finest product it can possibly be.
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0lly
Minmatar
Wheel Of Time Ltd
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:07:00 -
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We have had the option to change the font, to what anyone wanted . It was taken away, Never to return.
The devs haven't had too much luck in the font personel area, So holding ones breath, may not be a good idea.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Pwnzorator
I think it would help if people stop attributing the problem to using high-resolution screens. Overall screen resolution is irrelevant, what matters is a combination of dot pitch and view distance.
My eyesight isn't great, but the standard font size is fine on my 1920*1080 monitor (23", 0.265mm dot pitch) viewed from about 3-4 feet. When I bought it, this was the smallest (and thus lowest dotpitch) 1920*1080 monitor Iácould find.
I suspect most of the people complaining are using laptops with very small dot pitch. Most desktop monitors won't have this problem (most low dot pitch ones are designed for CAD/DTPáuse, and thus are extremely expensive)
I'm not saying this isn't a problem for some people, but please stop trying to say it affects everyone who uses a high resolution. This simply isn't as widespread a problem as most of the people in this thread think.
I don't like the font because there's no visible difference between I, l and 1, or O and 0.
All I know is that on my 24" 1920x1200 monitor at maybe 2-3 feet away, the font is much harder to read than it should be. It is just about the only game I've played where I find myself subconsciously squinting and leaning forward while playing. If you just do combat and spend little time staring at the in-game "spreadsheets" and other windows, it's probably not that big of a deal, though, since the chat windows have scalable fonts and most of the combat interface is visual rather than textual.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Endoxa Corporation
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
SoonÖ ;)
p.s.
Not in Tyrannis!
I was like  , but then I was  !
Originally by: Spaztick
You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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TheZealot 0OOO0
There's Something About Zealots...
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Posted - 2010.05.21 16:55:00 -
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This ruins my gig!
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Soma Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
SoonÖ ;)
p.s.
Not in Tyrannis!
Question is, will this happen before or after Duke Nu... Incarna?
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.21 17:26:00 -
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My guess is that this is in the production pipe somewhere. They will probably lump it in with a full UI revamp, unfortunately. So while we wait (2-3 years) for a new UI we have to suffer though the font issues.
From my CSM election platform...
Originally by: Ashina Sito
- A strong desire to beat to a pulp the designer of the font used by the Eve UI. Also a strong voice to have that font changed so you can actually read what it says.
From my Eve-Tribune interview for CSM4
Quote:
ZAD: That's a hard one to argue against! People have been screaming for that (font fixes)for years and it's never happened.
Ashina Sito: So true. At the very least I wish to be voted to CSM so I can go to Iceland, find the person who designed/approved the font and let the air out of their car tires every day I am at CCP headquarters.
None the less, as long as you keep playing and paying the font goes on the back burner. When the bean counters see people leaving because of the font they will scream to have it moved up in the production pipe. Which probably is the same reason that keyboard got development time in Tyranis. Ether it was about the money or some dev had one and spent their own time working on that project and said, "Hay, look what I got!". You won't get that with the font, while simple it is too deeply rooted in the UI for one person to come in and fiddle with it.
The election is over but, I hope you voted for me if you have font issues. It is my biggest personal gripe with the game atm.
My CSM Election Announcement
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Mathias Black
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mathias Black on 21/05/2010 18:26:59
Originally by: CCP Fear
Originally by: ChrisIsherwood
Our CSM is on it so the problem is solved!
UI Fonts. CCP pleased everyone by announcing they hired a ôFont Guyö which means that improvements on that front are to be expected
I certainly would appreciate any font/UI improvements.
SoonÖ ;)
p.s.
Not in Tyrannis!
Woot! At least there is some hope. Any chance we can know if it's within-a-few-months SoonÖ or is it within-a-few-years SoonÖ? Do you guys want to hire me as a work from home contract developer to fix the font size? I know C++/Python and am willing to fix it for zero pay and just a free year subscription. ;)
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
I find them slightly too large - I always need to switch windows or scroll to see any reasonable amount of data. Not everybody has severe vision problems, you know? (And I do even wear glasses.)
I am therefore all for being able to change the font size to suit anyone's needs. (without making the font as ass-ugly as the chat window font at minimum size!)
Originally by: Ambo
I've never understood people's problem with the font tbh. I play at 1920x1080 and do not have 20/20 vision but I have no problems reading the font at all.
That's not to say it shouldn't be fixed... Just saying I don't get it.
How big are your monitors? And Abdiel, what is your resolution? I can't imagine thinking they're too large, or needing to fit any more info on the screen... how many windows do you need open at one time? I play at 1680x1050 on a 21" monitor and I can't read it without leaning forward and squinting. I do wear glasses but with my glasses on my vision's not really that bad; I can easily read every other game and application I own, though I do use the medium system font in Windows instead of the small. It is literally painful for me to play for more than a little while. It gives me a severe headache and eye strain. Could be astigmatism - TrueType fonts and most fonts designed after the 80's are drawn to make the vertical and horizontal lines stand out more against the background. Most games and apps in the last few decades you a scalable true-type or similar font and windows uses ClearType to help the fonts have more contrast. Small fixed pixel-wide dark gray on black font without any contrast lines or scaling is pretty much a nightmare for anyone with even slight astigmatism.
Originally by: Ashina Sito
My guess is that this is in the production pipe somewhere. They will probably lump it in with a full UI revamp, unfortunately. So while we wait (2-3 years) for a new UI we have to suffer though the font issues.
From my CSM election platform...
Originally by: Ashina Sito
- A strong desire to beat to a pulp the designer of the font used by the Eve UI. Also a strong voice to have that font changed so you can actually read what it says.
I missed it, but next time, you have my vote! ;)
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fear
SoonÖ ;)
Anyone who's played Eve for a while should know exactly what this means i.e. not for a hell of a long time
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Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.05.21 18:51:00 -
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Wow, big thanks. This thread just saved me from the money I was planning to spend this weekend on the monitor upgrade. If it makes the font worse, forget it. I can barely read it now.
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