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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:23:00 -
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Of course the obvious response is: "Because it is designed that way", but I would like to see the EVE-universe expand, but more on the Z-axis. Imagine doubling the current amount of solar systems but having them spread out more below and above the current more flat map. The same obviously goes for stations, planets, asteroid belts, etc. in solar systems. They tend to be more flat than exist in three dimensional space.
And before someone says so: YES I know you can unflatten the map, but still, the solar systems in EVE are relatively flat.
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Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
86
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:26:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7T9DUob1W0
Doesn't seem flat to me. |
Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:26:00 -
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Because galaxies are generally flat.
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:28:00 -
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Solar systems are flat for the most part. It is from the accretion disk. |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
148
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:28:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7T9DUob1W0
Doesn't seem flat to me.
If you lean a flat thing it still is flat. Imo.
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Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
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Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
148
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:30:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:Because galaxies are generally flat.
Interesting, I've always pictured space as this vast, endless thing which spans in all directions.
Savage Angel wrote:Solar systems are flat for the most part. It is from the accretion disk.
Hmm, after googling I realize that my grasp on space physics is severely lacking to understand the why, how and such.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.
Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á
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Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
86
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:30:00 -
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Savage Angel wrote:Solar systems are flat for the most part. It is from the accretion disk.
Super massive black holes :) |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
EPIC Alliance
184
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:36:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote: Super massive black holes :)
I hate that song
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:39:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:Interesting, I've always pictured space as this vast, endless thing which spans in all directions.
The universe is vast and unending. Galaxies, however, tend to form distinct shapes because of gravity and stuff. Ours is spiral I believe, which makes it a spinny-disk shape...
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Vellen Thoss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:40:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:Kyle Ward wrote:Because galaxies are generally flat. Interesting, I've always pictured space as this vast, endless thing which spans in all directions. Savage Angel wrote:Solar systems are flat for the most part. It is from the accretion disk. Hmm, after googling I realize that my grasp on space physics is severely lacking to understand the why, how and such.
In some cases, it is. Nebula, for example can exist as these large, blob like clouds of dust, matter and young stars.
Galaxies however are flattened as a result of gravity from the SMBH at the core and the spin. |
Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:40:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Andoria Thara wrote: Super massive black holes :) I hate that song
X-Tended for X3
Brings back warm memories...
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
1193
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:46:00 -
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It is however possible to claim that EVE's galaxy could be a more Elliptical galaxy.
The problem is that gameplay wise this causes problems for navigation with people unable to have a simple top down view of regions without resulting in regions overlapping each other on the Z axis (or Y axis if X and Z are on the flat plane).
It would essentially turn out map into a mess in flattened mode and it would turn non-flatted mode into a giant version of what probing is like on the solar system map, except that there are 100s of little dots to get lost in.
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Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
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Posted - 2012.07.13 15:53:00 -
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We do have eliptical galaxy maps... he's talking about the entire "World" or Universe map. |
Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:06:00 -
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Andoria Thara wrote: We do have eliptical galaxies... he's talking about the entire "World" or Universe map.
If we're talking about the in-game map, I'm pretty sure it's just a map of the New Eden galaxy. If it was the whole universe we'd probably have to do a lot of scrolling before we could see anything useful.
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
86
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:24:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:If we're talking about the in-game map, I'm pretty sure it's just a map of the New Eden galaxy. If it was the whole universe we'd probably have to do a lot of scrolling before we could see anything useful.
The wiki defines it as a "Star Cluster". Not sure if that is multiple galaxies, or just one clump of one galaxy?
Either way, it's our entire known universe :)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8528
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:29:00 -
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GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point.
You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point. You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums.
KHAAAAAAAAAAANN!!!!
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition
41
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:37:00 -
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What if we are at the end of a spiral arm, and jove space is the only way further into the Galaxy
/conspiracy keanu. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8528
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Posted - 2012.07.13 16:39:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:KHAAAAAAAAAAANN!!!! More like bureaucracy, but the effect is much the same. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:01:00 -
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Keep in mind also that New Eden is just a cluster of stars in a galaxy. I believe New Eden is 106 light years long, 90 light years wide, and 25 light years thick. Compare that to the 100,000 light years the Milky Way is estimated to be across.
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Ivan Rochenkov
P0INT WEB P0P
Random Coalition of Corporations
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point. You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums.
That is actually a great explanation. I never thought of the stars that exist but are not accessible by gate. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
202
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:25:00 -
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Ivan Rochenkov wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point. You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums. That is actually a great explanation. I never thought of the stars that exist but are not accessible by gate.
Even within the bounds of our map there are stars not accessible by gate, like wormhole systems, these actually occupy the same space but for various reasons were never bridged to. We could occupy a relatively dense cluster but for whatever reasons only bridged to certain stars in that area, |
Rain King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:31:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:Because galaxies are generally flat.
That. |
Rain King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:36:00 -
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So, um...yeah. |
Bronya Boga
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:37:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Keep in mind also that New Eden is just a cluster of stars in a galaxy. I believe New Eden is 106 light years long, 90 light years wide, and 25 light years thick. Compare that to the 100,000 light years the Milky Way is estimated to be across.
basically there is some room for expansion :D |
Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
62
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Posted - 2012.07.13 17:45:00 -
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My own musing on the topic suggects that New Eden is part of an irregular galaxy. Since ellipticals are generally dust free and 'Grand Design' spirals will show a generalized concentration of stars in a band for any internal observer, then by the process of elimination, we are left with the hypothesis that New Eden is part of an irregular galaxy (maybe even an isolated dwarf irregular). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8530
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:04:00 -
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Rain King wrote:That. I don't believe the star cluster theory because a galaxy has billions of stars. It's not really a theory GÇö it's prime lore. The systems we visit are part of a dense star cluster.
That doesn't mean there aren't other systems in between them, but those are unreachable because they are unsuitable for star gate building GÇö you need a binary system to make those work. So the cluster as a whole is a lot denser than the star map suggests and contains more than just the systems (such as the many nebulae you can travel to and beyond).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Adam Junior
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:08:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Ivan Rochenkov wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point. You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums. That is actually a great explanation. I never thought of the stars that exist but are not accessible by gate. Even within the bounds of our map there are stars not accessible by gate, like wormhole systems, these actually occupy the same space but for various reasons were never bridged to. We could occupy a relatively dense cluster but for whatever reasons only bridged to certain stars in that area,
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
820
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:38:00 -
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One oddity is the plane of the ecliptic is the same for every solar system, and lines up with the plane of the star cluster. In our solar system the plane of the ecliptic and that of the galaxy (as seen as the Milky Way) do not line up at all.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1916
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:41:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:Interesting, I've always pictured space as this vast, endless thing which spans in all directions...
Hmm, after googling I realize that my grasp on space physics is severely lacking to understand the why, how and such.
Just wait til you get to the part about the cosmic web.
To be honest, it saddens me that there are adults out there who don't understand the basic structures of the cosmos.
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