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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:48:00 -
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It is believed that elliptical or irregular galaxies can't bear life, as the orbits of the stars in them are disturbing the orbits of planets around said stars - so I'd rule this one out as a draft for New Eden.
Milkyway is a bar-spiral galaxy and as the sun (and it's planets) are out of harms way (no supernovae in the vicinity, etc..) it can bear life (undisturbed time-spans are important here, billions of years).
As for the New Eden Star Cluster.. unfortunately somebody chose a 'spiral like' appearance for the 'top-view' and also warped the 'disk' badly.. I think there was a blog how they did it somewhere (creating coordinates, etc..).
All in all not very realistic and the movement within this 'room' by the means of star gates definitely doesn't add to the atmosphere of being in a 3 dimensional 'space'. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:52:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:It is believed that elliptical or irregular galaxies can't bear life, as the orbits of the stars in them are disturbing the orbits of planets around said stars - so I'd rule this one out as a draft for New Eden.
Milkyway is a bar-spiral galaxy and as the sun (and it's planets) are out of harms way (no supernovae in the vicinity, etc..) it can bear life (undisturbed time-spans are important here, billions of years).
As for the New Eden Star Cluster.. unfortunately somebody chose a 'spiral like' appearance for the 'top-view' and also warped the 'disk' badly.. I think there was a blog how they did it somewhere (creating coordinates, etc..).
All in all not very realistic and the movement within this 'room' by the means of star gates definitely doesn't add to the atmosphere of being in a 3 dimensional 'space'.
Without supernovae life wouldnt be possible at all......
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:53:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:It is believed that elliptical or irregular galaxies can't bear life, as the orbits of the stars in them are disturbing the orbits of planets around said stars - so I'd rule this one out as a draft for New Eden.
Milkyway is a bar-spiral galaxy and as the sun (and it's planets) are out of harms way (no supernovae in the vicinity, etc..) it can bear life (undisturbed time-spans are important here, billions of years).
As for the New Eden Star Cluster.. unfortunately somebody chose a 'spiral like' appearance for the 'top-view' and also warped the 'disk' badly.. I think there was a blog how they did it somewhere (creating coordinates, etc..).
All in all not very realistic and the movement within this 'room' by the means of star gates definitely doesn't add to the atmosphere of being in a 3 dimensional 'space'.
At least it got better when they made the gates actually point in the right direction :P
The Drake is a Lie |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2012.07.13 18:54:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:One oddity is the plane of the ecliptic is the same for every solar system, and lines up with the plane of the star cluster. In our solar system the plane of the ecliptic and that of the galaxy (as seen as the Milky Way) do not line up at all.
I think you can't say that.. what you currently see in the client is the 'frozen' state of the orbits of the planets and those happen to be in a horizontal plane that your ship also adjusts to all the time (how realistic :-))
If you'd check out solar maps and the orbits of the planets then you'd see that they aren't aligned with the 'plane of the star cluster'.. funny thing is, we don't even know how the plane of that warped-disk of a small amount of stars (New Eden) is orientated vs. the whole galaxies plane..
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:00:00 -
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Kievan Arakyd wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:It is believed that elliptical or irregular galaxies can't bear life, as the orbits of the stars in them are disturbing the orbits of planets around said stars - so I'd rule this one out as a draft for New Eden.
Milkyway is a bar-spiral galaxy and as the sun (and it's planets) are out of harms way (no supernovae in the vicinity, etc..) it can bear life (undisturbed time-spans are important here, billions of years).
*snip* Without supernovae life wouldnt be possible at all......
True.. I think they still have no real clue how it was possible for our star (and it's orbiting bodies) to end up with so much supernova-end-product (elements above iron) so far from the core of the galaxy in a stable orbit around the SMBH and in such a 'quiet' area of space (no supernovae within some LY and last billion years). |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
201
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:02:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:To be honest, it saddens me that there are adults out there who don't understand the basic structures of the cosmos.
Cosmos?? Dude there are adults out there that don't even understand basic stuff on this planet, much less the cosmos. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
104
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:08:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Ivan Rochenkov wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪalso, what we play in isn't even a galaxy GÇö it's a star cluster, possibly at the outer end of some spiral arm, so it could simply be very thin at that point. You could also go with the thoroughly unexciting explanation that It's GÇ£flatGÇ¥ because those who built the star gates preferred not to go that far outside of the ecliptic planes of the systems they were in, so GÇ£in-planeGÇ¥ systems were favoured over ones that would have generated a larger vertical spread. Bunch of lazy unimaginative bums.  That is actually a great explanation. I never thought of the stars that exist but are not accessible by gate. Even within the bounds of our map there are stars not accessible by gate, like wormhole systems, these actually occupy the same space but for various reasons were never bridged to. We could occupy a relatively dense cluster but for whatever reasons only bridged to certain stars in that area,
W-space is much more spread out than that. Black holes, quasars, all stuff tha would endanger the cluster if it were nearby. Not to mention, it's out of range of jump drives, so it's further than current jump technology would allow us to even build a stargate. |
Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
50
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:17:00 -
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The old Universe Map used to show the planetary orbits of star systems if you zoomed in enough (there was no star system map then). It clearly showed that the ecliptic planes of each star system were not aligned with each other, with some heavily inclined.
With the new map, the 'camera' always aligns with the ecliptic plane when in the Star System Map or ship view, so we have no reference to the systems' orientations anymore. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
80
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:17:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Ivan Rochenkov wrote:*sinp*
That is actually a great explanation. I never thought of the stars that exist but are not accessible by gate. Even within the bounds of our map there are stars not accessible by gate, like wormhole systems, these actually occupy the same space but for various reasons were never bridged to. We could occupy a relatively dense cluster but for whatever reasons only bridged to certain stars in that area, W-space is much more spread out than that. Black holes, quasars, all stuff tha would endanger the cluster if it were nearby. Not to mention, it's out of range of jump drives, so it's further than current jump technology would allow us to even build a stargate.
Na.. I have no first hand info why, but the w-space cluster technically has the same foot-print as the new eden cluster (similar volume, you can see that when you use the database dump and render the positions of the stars) and CCP probably chose the huge offset (coordinates) to avoid any *possible* hiccups with their mechanic system in regards to travel (jumpdrives). |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
Beer needs you
81
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:20:00 -
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If you move away from the nebulas and look at space you will see a faint blue wavey line, actually quite thick i beleive this represents the milky way.
Ok fact time outside our flat disc of a galaxy there are clusters of stars defying the gravity of the spin. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
342
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:55:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:It is believed that elliptical or irregular galaxies can't bear life, as the orbits of the stars in them are disturbing the orbits of planets around said stars - so I'd rule this one out as a draft for New Eden.
Milkyway is a bar-spiral galaxy and as the sun (and it's planets) are out of harms way (no supernovae in the vicinity, etc..) it can bear life (undisturbed time-spans are important here, billions of years).
As for the New Eden Star Cluster.. unfortunately somebody chose a 'spiral like' appearance for the 'top-view' and also warped the 'disk' badly.. I think there was a blog how they did it somewhere (creating coordinates, etc..).
All in all not very realistic and the movement within this 'room' by the means of star gates definitely doesn't add to the atmosphere of being in a 3 dimensional 'space'. At least it got better when they made the gates actually point in the right direction :P
Jump drive effects still only shoot you laterally (so jump bridges, titan/blops bridges, and jump drives don't really work visually this way).
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TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
EPIC Alliance
184
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:56:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Keep in mind also that New Eden is just a cluster of stars in a galaxy. I believe New Eden is 106 light years long, 90 light years wide, and 25 light years thick. Compare that to the 100,000 light years the Milky Way is estimated to be across.
If EVE was more like the milky way we'd have a damn sight fewer supercap blobs dropped on us
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:57:00 -
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Kyle Ward wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Andoria Thara wrote: Super massive black holes :) I hate that song X-Tended for X3 Brings back warm memories...
Great stuff
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1955
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:59:00 -
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Tobias Sjodin wrote:Kyle Ward wrote:Because galaxies are generally flat. Interesting, I've always pictured space as this vast, endless thing which spans in all directions. Savage Angel wrote:Solar systems are flat for the most part. It is from the accretion disk. Hmm, after googling I realize that my grasp on space physics is severely lacking to understand the why, how and such.
It has to do with how galaxies and solar systems form in the first place - clouds of gases orbiting a single massive object (stars for systems, supermassive black holes for galaxies). Because of the properties of rotation, the cloud tends to flatten out into a disk shape along the "equator" of the central object. This now denser gas cloud begins forming planets / stars.
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Rain King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Rain King wrote:That. I don't believe the star cluster theory because a galaxy has billions of stars. It's not really a theory GÇö it's prime lore. The systems we visit are part of a dense star cluster. That doesn't mean there aren't other systems in between them, but those are unreachable because they are unsuitable for star gate building GÇö you need a binary system to make those work. So the cluster as a whole is a lot denser than the star map suggests and contains more than just the systems (such as the many nebulae you can travel to and beyond).
Ok, so it is like the composition of asteroids in new Eden is determined not by stellar mechanics but security ratings, it's more poorly planned story-telling. I suppose a star cluster could be disk shaped, and not round, but it's not very common at all. There are exceptions, like the Pleiades, I know. But after studying the map a couple of weeks ago, it looks much more like a galaxy and not a star cluster. Interestingly enough, there is a bit of an indication of a retrograde rotation to it. Anyways, this is why I prefer to just play the game and not worry about the backstory.
ctx2007 wrote:If you move away from the nebulas and look at space you will see a faint blue wavey line, actually quite thick i beleive this represents the milky way.
Ok fact time outside our flat disc of a galaxy there are clusters of stars defying the gravity of the spin.
Are you talking about all the dwarf galaxies around our Milky Way? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8534
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:11:00 -
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Rain King wrote:Ok, so it is like the composition of asteroids in new Eden is determined not by stellar mechanics but security ratings, it's more poorly planned story-telling. To be fair, that's the least of their problems. At least that part can be (somewhat) explained away: the minerals and ores that make up the more valuable asteroids were thoroughly and completely mined out in civilized space centuries ago. They don't even have a chance to pass through the Kuiper belt of core systems before being gobbled up GÇö much less settle in a stable orbit inside the system itself.
The fact that you can see more than one asteroid at a time is a far sillier detail, and the rock croissants orbiting planets like moons are downright hilarious.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:11:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Keep in mind also that New Eden is just a cluster of stars in a galaxy. I believe New Eden is 106 light years long, 90 light years wide, and 25 light years thick. Compare that to the 100,000 light years the Milky Way is estimated to be across. If EVE was more like the milky way we'd have a damn sight fewer supercap blobs dropped on us
You'd have a damn sight fewer hotdrops, period, unless they boosted jump drives' maximum range and efficiency. 
Fun facts about the maximum projection distance of jump drives:
- Titans have a maximum travel distance of 800 LY on a single tank of isotopes, assuming they never fire their doomsday or use any other isotope-consuming modules.
- Black-ops BS have ludicrously fuel-efficient jump drives; a full tank (1000m3) will get them a maximum travel distance of about 44.4 LY.
- For comparison, Carriers have a maximum travel distance of only 40 LY using three times as much fuel as a BOBS.
- Rorquals can go up to 133.33 LY.
- Supercarriers can go half that, with a max range of 66.67 LY.
- Dreads can go up to 106.67 LY.
- Jump Freighters, assuming I did my math correctly, can go about 80.8 LY.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8534
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:15:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: GǪexcept for the auto-pillock.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
80
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Posted - 2012.07.13 20:59:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Keep in mind also that New Eden is just a cluster of stars in a galaxy. I believe New Eden is 106 light years long, 90 light years wide, and 25 light years thick. Compare that to the 100,000 light years the Milky Way is estimated to be across. If EVE was more like the milky way we'd have a damn sight fewer supercap blobs dropped on us You'd have a damn sight fewer hotdrops, period, unless they boosted jump drives' maximum range and efficiency. *snip*
Problem then is travel time and finding other pods to play - with current game mechanics..  |
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