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uperkurk	Posted - 2010.05.22 03:55:00 - [1] Hello C&P. I was sitting in help chat earlier and heard about a trade window scammer called preastar who apparently has scammed billions from changing the value of whatever he was buying to 2isk at the last second and accepted and then gets it for 2 isk.... I saw afew guys complaining and saying they was going to make a petition. What I want to know is if this guy gets enough complaints will a GM take action? I know scamming in legal and all but one guy said he got scammed of a tempest fleet issue and 2 30 day plex cards.... will GM's ever say, you know what, this guy has scammed abit to much? Or will they just let him scam endlessly? Seems abit unfair.
Ohh Yeah The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:00:00 - [2] I'll just beat Lady Spank to the punch by stating that this thread is, in fact, pathetic. Regardless, anything you put into a trade window can and will be stolen. (I stole 3 PLEXes and a Navy Vexor doing the same thing in Dodixie a week or so ago )
uperkurk	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:02:00 - [3] Yes but my point being the odd scam here or there, this guy looks asthough he does it everyday.....
Ohh Yeah The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:05:00 - [4] And? I did this every day for a while quite some time ago. CCP honestly doesn't care. The only time I've ever seen them take trade window scamming seriously are isolated incidents where local in Jita is 1400+ and the scammer successfully changes the price AFTER the other party has accepted. So really, unless there's extreme lag taking place, the logs simply show nothing.
uperkurk	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:12:00 - [5] i'm just saying to pull this off so many times I think maybe theres some kind of exploit going on? or just nice timing lol, and admitting your a scamming on public forums probs isnt that wise, some gunna put a bounty on you maybe.
Ohh Yeah The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:18:00 - [6] Originally by: uperkurk i'm just saying to pull this off so many times I think maybe theres some kind of exploit going on? or just nice timing lol, and admitting your a scamming on public forums probs isnt that wise, some gunna put a bounty on you maybe. Currently have a twenty mil bounty that appeared a few weeks ago - I'd be fine with more tacked ontop. Not like anyone who reads C&P is going to put a bounty on me for admitting to scamming.
uperkurk	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:19:00 - [7] fair enough I guess, so is it possible to use expliots in the trade window? or is he just getting lucky
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:24:00 - [8] I for one welcome our new trade-window-scamming uperkirk-alt overlord! Ifly
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:30:00 - [9] Originally by: uperkurk i'm just saying to pull this off so many times I think maybe theres some kind of exploit going on? or just nice timing lol, and admitting your a scamming on public forums probs isnt that wise, some gunna put a bounty on you maybe. No, people are just stupid... if you use the trade window to make sales you deserve to lose your crap Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Bryg Philomena Don't Taze Me Bro	Posted - 2010.05.22 04:44:00 - [10] Can I have your stuff? Seriously, scamming is fine and dandy in eve. I'm a scammer. Don't trust me. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature

Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.05.22 06:36:00 - [11] Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 22/05/2010 06:37:12 Edited by: Ophelia Ursus on 22/05/2010 06:36:44 Originally by: Bryg Philomena Can I have your stuff? Seriously, scamming is fine and dandy in eve. I'm a scammer. Don't trust me. Scamming is fine and dandy, but using lag to change the price in the trade window is (or was, anyway) an exploit, and a bannable one at that. The bug that made it possible was supposedly fixed, though, so maybe the victims aren't telling the whole story. Either way, the victims were still dumb for using the direct trade window for anything other than transferring stuff between alts or trading with someone they had good reason to trust.

CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:14:00 - [12] There is no maximum quota placed on the amount a player can scam from others, provided he/she is using legitimate, in-game methods.

Maneck StreetPreacher Gallente haudquaquam munificus	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:52:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Shadow There is no maximum quota placed on the amount a player can scam from others, provided he/she is using legitimate, in-game methods. So how is it that CCP decided that trade window scamming (exploiting a game design/mechanic weakness) is an acceptable form of scamming? Never been scammed, just interested.

CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Maneck StreetPreacher Originally by: CCP Shadow There is no maximum quota placed on the amount a player can scam from others, provided he/she is using legitimate, in-game methods. So how is it that CCP decided that trade window scamming (exploiting a game design/mechanic weakness) is an acceptable form of scamming? Never been scammed, just interested. I was simply answering this question in the OP: "will GM's ever say, you know what, this guy has scammed abit to much? Or will they just let him scam endlessly?" As to whether anything is or is not an exploit, that's up to the GMs to rule on. If you think something that players are doing is an exploit, or feel it should be considered an exploit, by all means get in touch with them directly via petition.

genette devo Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:12:00 - [15] if you ever use the trade window with anyone besides one of your alts the only thing being exploited is your stupidity.
Jarnis McPieksu Insidious Existence En Garde	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:13:00 - [16] PROTIP: In EVE, Trade window is useful only for giving away stuff or moving it between alts on different accounts. Any actual trades and sales/purchases should always be conducted either through contracts (which are much harder to scam with, assuming you read the contract before accepting it and triple check what you are giving away/what you are getting) or, in case you wish to sell to "whoever wants to buy this stuff", using the market. Don't use trade window. Don't get scammed.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.05.22 17:19:00 - [17] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 22/05/2010 17:20:08 My simple rule of thumb to avoid trade window scams is much like the ones above me. Don't use them, unless: A) The item(s) being traded is/are not important to you, or B) The person on the other end of the trade is also you. In all other cases use a freaking contract. If the other person doesn't "want to go through the bother of a contract" or some other lame ass excuse that should be your first double underlined, bright red, 72 point font, flashing scrolling marquee text warning that something is not as it should be. Edit: I can spell, really. --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
Cyrus Doul Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:15:00 - [18] contract = 10k isk overhead. why trade window exists is beyond me.
RasTrent Private Nuisance	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:17:00 - [19] uperkurk = forever butthurt. ------------------- Public Ragelations Private Nuisance RECRUITING
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:31:00 - [20] I still find it shocking that there are enough dumb people to fall for these scams

Father Yarrr Logistic Nightmare	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:50:00 - [21] If 1 party accepts the trade and then there is a change made on either side, both parties have to accept trade again. so IMO the only people who get scammed in trade windows are morons ----------------------------------------------- Cause they know your a pirate when they hear you say....... YARRR
ImAPostingAlt Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Father Yarrr If 1 party accepts the trade and then there is a change made on either side, both parties have to accept trade again. so IMO the only people who get scammed in trade windows are morons This.
SCAMwatch	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:15:00 - [23] See http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1319486 then see http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1322639&sid=16920974 As the second topic is locked, you will wonder why as I am still wondering... Maybe scammers pay more than we do to play EVE? Special customers, eh?
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:39:00 - [24] Originally by: SCAMwatch See http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1319486 then see http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1322639&sid=16920974 As the second topic is locked, you will wonder why as I am still wondering... Maybe scammers pay more than we do to play EVE? Special customers, eh? You were discussing macro use so it got locked. Just because you think its fine under EULA is irrelevant. Cry more. ~_~
SCAMwatch	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: SCAMwatch See http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1319486 then see http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1322639&sid=16920974 As the second topic is locked, you will wonder why as I am still wondering... Maybe scammers pay more than we do to play EVE? Special customers, eh? You were discussing macro use so it got locked. Just because you think its fine under EULA is irrelevant. Cry more. Well Lady Spank, I believe I might have offended you in-game by reducing the ISK you might be making with scammer alts. But please do not make it an out-of-game issue and turn it to hatred. If you had read it carefully, you would have understood that it was not macro-use. Commenting on subjects you do not have much idea about reflects you badly, indeed. Anyway, final word is CCPs, not yours, not mine.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:44:00 - [26] Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/05/2010 22:45:37 Originally by: SCAMwatch Well Lady Spank, I believe I might have offended you in-game by reducing the ISK you might be making with scammer alts. But please do not make it an out-of-game issue and turn it to hatred. If you had read it carefully, you would have understood that it was not macro-use. Commenting on subjects you do not have much idea about reflects you badly, indeed. Anyway, final word is CCPs, not yours, not mine. I did read it, I said your opinion obviously differs to that of CCP. Reposting to discuss locked or removed discussion is a big no no. CCP's final word was to lock the thread so get over it to be honest. If you knew me at all you might realise I am displeased with contract spammers too. I have better ways of making isk out of it so don't go thinking this is personal besides; I already stated that I found your antics amusing . The one thing you have succeeded to do so far is get some amusing rage from contract scammers in Jita. It doesn't excuse you from shiptoasting though ~_~
SCAMwatch	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Lady Spank Edited by: Lady Spank on 22/05/2010 22:45:37 Originally by: SCAMwatch Well Lady Spank, I believe I might have offended you in-game by reducing the ISK you might be making with scammer alts. But please do not make it an out-of-game issue and turn it to hatred. If you had read it carefully, you would have understood that it was not macro-use. Commenting on subjects you do not have much idea about reflects you badly, indeed. Anyway, final word is CCPs, not yours, not mine. I did read it, I said your opinion obviously differs to that of CCP. Reposting to discuss locked or removed discussion is a big no no. CCP's final word was to lock the thread so get over it to be honest. If you knew me at all you might realise I am displeased with contract spammers too. I have better ways of making isk out of it so don't go thinking this is personal besides; I already stated that I found your antics amusing . The one thing you have succeeded to do so far is get some amusing rage from contract scammers in Jita. It doesn't excuse you from shiptoasting though Alright, but a locked thread is not a final word, hopefully not yet If you knew how much fun it was to be donated ISK which would otherwise go to a scammer's wallet, you'd understand my motives better. I am doing this for fun and for profit, not for some holy crusade on griefing and destroying scammers. In fact, I find them funny, unless they start throwing insults on me.
Lord Yusheng	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:46:00 - [28] About 20 seconds ago I was wanting to buy a couple PLEX for my account and guess who came? Preester rofl, I told him his name was familiar from C&P and then he said "damn, o/" and closed trade rofl.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.23 07:13:00 - [29] Can somebody explain the scam to me? The reason why I am asking is that I believe the trade window to be save. If not, then please correct me. Both sides need to press "accept". How can I get scammed after the other guy pressed accept and before I did? Are you saying that it is possible to change something on a trade while one person has accept it, and before the second person does accept it? --
Aesynil Caldari The Unit...	Posted - 2010.05.23 07:45:00 - [30] Per my understanding, this is how it happens Party X agrees on a deal with Party Y (Y is the Scammer). Step 1) Party Y convinces X to use the trade window Step 2) Party X opens trade. Party Y puts the correct amount of ISK into the trade window (Let's say 300M for a Plex, or whatever) Step 3) Party X sees this, and puts his item in, and goes to click Accept Step 4) In that 2-3 second window, Party Y QUICKLY changes his price to 2ISK, and hits Accept again quickly, hoping the mark doesn't notice. Step 5) Goes one of two ways. Either Party X does the right thing, and double-checks, then triple-checks it, and realizes the scam. Or doesn't bother, and clicks accept, thus losing his item for 2isk. The Unit pursues invention, manufacturing, mining, and research. Evemail us if you need anything related to Science and Industry.



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