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Leonardo Sabrioski Red Horizon Inc R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:27:00 - [1] Hey guys I just wanted to know which is better for use on a tengu? small shield booster? medium shield booster? or a large shield booster? For all intents and purposes the boosters are on par ratio wise. (activation cost vs. shield boost amount) From what I gather the large shield booster provides a better active tank at the expense of more fitting. And the small shield booster provides more fitting room at the expense of an active tank. Please express your opinions on the subject as I am feeling pretty ambivilant as to which size to go with. p.s. Of course I would use the faction varients of the booster mods. I just wanted to compare the different sizes. ---------------------------------------------- Blood for blood
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Tiberizzle on 22/05/2010 20:34:42 there are arguments for all of them single pith small, dual gist small boosters, and gist medium boosters are popular when trying to maintain cap stability pith mediums are difficult to make capstable, usually gimping DPS, but provide a higher peak tank larges are difficult to fit at all without compromises & only really make sense to me with a cap booster, runtime without a cap booster is quite low. with the cap booster it can make for a surprising pvp tank, but as always with active tank pvp fits neuts can ruin your day.
Charles37	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:09:00 - [3] When I'm feeling really lazy and don't want to pay attention to the client I'll put a Gist Large booster on my Tengu and just let it perma run. The only extra cap mod I have is a Cap Recharger II and I use heavies, so I don't really feel like I'm sacrificing anything. Of course, I also have pretty good cap skills, so ymmv.
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:54:00 - [4] Edited by: Zill on 22/05/2010 22:56:09 I know everyone here will tell me I'm a "noob", but If I was you mate, I'd invest in a 900 mil Pithum A-type medium booster with a A-type amp to go with it. Best shielding you can have on any Caldari. Perfectly easy to get stable with no worries, an it isn't the all fired "gank target" that people tell yo. You just play smart, don't tell everyone an don't mission in bloody Dox or jita :). move away from hubs an you will be just fine.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.22 22:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Zill I know everyone here will tell me im a "noob", but If I was you mate, I'd invest in a 900 mil Pithum A-type medium booster with a A-type amp to go with it. Best shielding you can have on any Caldari. We are only disagreeing with you because you insist on telling people the wrong information. You know what the difference between a Pithum A-Type on your Tengu and a CN XL on my CNR is? Nothing, because neither one of us has to warp out. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:03:00 - [6] Edited by: Zill on 22/05/2010 23:04:56 Your going to tell me the XL is as efficient as a Pithum A type ? lol sorry mate you are wrong, very wrong. I have spent a very long time an a great deal of isk playing with mods to get it right, an I can say with 110% fact that I am correct when I say the Pithum is the most efficient shield. Not one bit of info I have posted is wrong, since it's all been done through trial an error, an investment of moronic amounts of isk :( heh
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/05/2010 23:10:52 Originally by: Zill Your going to tell me the XL is as efficient as a Pithum A type ? lol sorry mate you are wrong, very wrong. I have spent a very long time an a great deal of isk playing with mods to get it right, an I can say with 110% fact that I am correct when I say the Pithum is the most efficient shield. Let's be clear here: the only important thing about a tank is that the DPS doesn't overwhelm it. If its "efficient" or whatever is utterly immaterial. You paid 900M for your booster, and I paid 800K for the T2 XL I put on my Golem and 90M for the CN XL I put on the CNR. Both of these do exactly the same quality of job as your 900M Pithum A-Type. Tanking is of Boolean efficiency - it either works or it doesn't. -Liang Ed: And lots of stuff you've been posting are wrong. For example, you say you shouldn't fit painters on a Cruise Golem (LOLWTF?), you say T2 missiles suck (LOLWTF?), and now you say that a Pithum A-Type is the best booster to get (LOLWTF?), and that you shouldn't mission with good agents so that you don't get suicide ganked (LOLWTF?). Ed2: To the OP: I have a Pithi B-Type SSB on my Tengu. It works fine. I can even tank sentry guns with it. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Zill on 22/05/2010 23:16:31 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/05/2010 23:10:52 Originally by: Zill Your going to tell me the XL is as efficient as a Pithum A type ? lol sorry mate you are wrong, very wrong. I have spent a very long time an a great deal of isk playing with mods to get it right, an I can say with 110% fact that I am correct when I say the Pithum is the most efficient shield. Let's be clear here: the only important thing about a tank is that the DPS doesn't overwhelm it. If its "efficient" or whatever is utterly immaterial. You paid 900M for your booster, and I paid 800K for the T2 XL I put on my Golem and 90M for the CN XL I put on the CNR. Both of these do exactly the same quality of job as your 900M Pithum A-Type. Tanking is of Boolean efficiency - it either works or it doesn't. -Liang Ed: And lots of stuff you've been posting are wrong. For example, you say you shouldn't fit painters on a Cruise Golem (LOLWTF?), you say T2 missiles suck (LOLWTF?), and now you say that a Pithum A-Type is the best booster to get (LOLWTF?), and that you shouldn't mission with good agents so that you don't get suicide ganked (LOLWTF?). Ed2: To the OP: I have a Pithi B-Type SSB on my Tengu. It works fine. I can even tank sentry guns with it. Where did I say not to use good agents ? mate if you think the "good" agents are in hub area's, you are in for a MASSIVE shock. They are rubbish, I get 7k LP 4 mil isk per mission in the place I mish, an in 7 year's I have not found a better agent in gal space. TP's on a cruse Golem LOL.... I know you don't want to hear it, so I wont bother. T2 Cruse have always been rubbish, again you don't want to hear it, so good luck to you on that one. All I can say mate if you need to try more things, because your going to be hugely surprised one day at what you missed out on.
andeira	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:19:00 - [9] gist x-type large is best shield to use on tengu imo couple it with 2 CN invuls pith x-type photon field pith x-type boost amp and a cap booster and you should get a 1200 DPS cap stable omnitank (with rigs ofcourse) and if you did it right you will do over 700 DPS
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Zill All I can say mate if you need to try more things, because your going to be hugely surprised one day at what you missed out on. Zill.... I want you to go reread your post. Who is really the one that's saying to try new things? I've tried these things. I've tried the things you're doing. I know they work better than your way. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire

FT Diomedes Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:27:00 - [11] Really, it depends on whether you want to be able to respond to your own thread while missioning or not. Me personally, I'm willing to pay more ISK for a more cap-efficient setup that I can turn on and leave running all the time. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy (especially with all the random disconnects in this game). I was a huge fan of the dual Small Pithi B-Types until they got really expensive. In hindsight, I should have bought 50 of them. --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:28:00 - [12] Edited by: Zill on 22/05/2010 23:29:37 I have done it mate, more than once, as I said through trial an error I got the best solution, (in my opinion) to mission with. We will just have to agree to disagree I think. /me wav'es Dom <-- ex Shadows long time ago :) on my old char Al Ghazi
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Zill I have done it mate, more than once, as I said through trial an error I got the best solution, (in my opinion) to mission with. Considering you laugh about fitting painters to a cruise golem, I think we can safely say that your methodology is flawed and that you haven't tried everything. I'll also go on record as saying that the trial and error method is extremely expensive and not exhaustive of the options. Fitting tools help you quickly come down to 2-3 fits to use for trial and error. Quote: We will just have to agree to disagree I think. See, the thing about it is that you're wrong and refuse to even discuss the issue. You hide behind "I've tried that" and then laugh when someone tells you how its supposed to be done. At this point, all you're doing is spreading misinformation and I don't really see a choice but to continue correcting you until you actually try these things you keep (incorrectly) saying "suck" or "are bad". -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:44:00 - [14] Ran a couple of missions in my Tengu earlier today. I have twin Pithi B-Type smalls on it, with a T2 boost amplifier, and the defensive subsystem to 5. I'm probably going to yank one of the boosters, because I never turn the second one on. I run with an omni-tank: 1x Photon Scattering Field II and 1x Invulnerability Field II, gives me nice balanced resistances. I did The Blockade earlier against Sansha; my shields never got below 90% with only one booster running. The only times I need the second booster are when I get webbed 2-3 times with a bunch of ships around, or occasionally in the bonus room of Angel Extravaganza before I have the numbers whittled down. Even in those cases I think I would have been able to kill enough to survive. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.22 23:54:00 - [15] I dont hide behind anythign mate, at all, I am perfectly happy to "discuss" anything you want. The game is not about doing it "this way" or "that way" it's about doing it, period. We both have differing ways of doing things, an that's fine, For me I like to be perma tanked an Cap stable, that means I invested idiotic sums of isk in my ships... You do things your way, no less correct, but different to mine. I probably come across as arrogant on the matter, an it isn't intended. But I do stand by my opinions as a rule. I dont "laugh" at anyone, hell when I was in XXdeath I had a APOC with 3 different guns on it =).. (bloody Russians don't like to help non RU members) lol any-way's, The TP thing an shield issue, I will say are both very viable no matter which way you go.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:04:00 - [16] For high sec level 4s, a small pithi-b plus an AB for speed tanking is plenty. The tank I normally run is: small Pithi-B SB, 2xSBA IIs, 2 T2 hardeners + AB. Heck, you can even swap the Amp node for the Adaptive Shield module to get a 7th high slot for a salvager for a little extra income. But that's cutting the tank a bit close on a few missions. (Be careful with Stop the Thief.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
AMARRR VICTOR	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:12:00 - [17] Edited by: AMARRR VICTOR on 23/05/2010 02:12:40 leo stop posting weird **** in corp chats. other than that, listen to anything liang says about pve. oh for some content, he's looking at a nullsec guristas plexing boat. and i posted on my pos slave ;_;
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Tiberizzle larges are difficult to fit at all without compromises & only really make sense to me with a cap booster, runtime without a cap booster is quite low. with the cap booster it can make for a surprising pvp tank, but as always with active tank pvp fits neuts can ruin your day. basically pointless for missions with or without a cap booster, peak tank is excessive, is not afkable, and PG usage of the large requires major compromises. On my tengu I have a Pith A-Type Large and Afterburner running perma with 3 CCC's and a single flux coil (If I had better cap skills I wouldn't even need the flux coil). And it's a HELL of a lot cheaper than a Pith medium, ------------------------
Leonardo Sabrioski Red Horizon Inc R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.05.23 02:59:00 - [19] Originally by: AMARRR VICTOR Edited by: AMARRR VICTOR on 23/05/2010 02:12:40 leo stop posting weird **** in corp chats. other than that, listen to anything liang says about pve. oh for some content, he's looking at a nullsec guristas plexing boat. and i posted on my pos slave ;_; Ted you stalker how'd u find me. and i ended up settling for a pith.... it works. Blood for blood
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:42:00 - [20] Requires a power grid implant. Swap a BCS for a DC if you want a bit more tank (like C3 w-space sites), though it is already overkill for level 4 missions. [Tengu, 894 DPS + 716 DPS Tank] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Gibbo3771	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:02:00 - [21] Cruise Golem using furies NEEDS a goddamn target painter
Veliria	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:06:00 - [22] I use a Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster, goes for about 300-350mil, not all that much more than two Pithi B-Types cost, but without having to spend two midslots to boosters. Coupled with the AB it tanks anything so far and it can tank heavy DPS long enough when webbed to kill said webbers. [Tengu, Guristas lvl 4] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Ballistic Deflection Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Shield Boost Amplifier II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Dishes out 680 DPS with my skills (goes to 726 with a T2 RoF rig) and hits anything just fine. Regular or Precision missiles will one or two shot any scrambler frigs. Frigs, Destroyers, Cruisers and Battlecruisers all die with one to two volleys. Has decent speed (684m/s with my skills/implants) and can lock stuff fast. The Afterburner will actually help you avoid a lot of the DPS by speedtanking it.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:20:00 - [23] For l4s - 1 small pithi b is enough /i use it with 2x sba and 2x hardeners/.
Car Wars Pigs In Space United Proletariat	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:38:00 - [24] This is what i use for lv4 [Tengu, PVE HML Fury] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst cap stable (cause I am lazy) and pretty much speed tanks all lv4's just kill the webbers first. Can switch to a second amp or hardenener if you want vs the cap recharger. Good thing about this setup is that it does 806 dps with my skills and some 5% rof and damage implants.
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:56:00 - [25] Just as a point of order, nobody needs this much tank on a pve tengu. One cal navy invuln and one med pith c-type will tank ALL kin/therm l4 missions. I have done it. Add an x-type photon in one of your spare mids for em, or an x-type expl for explosive damage if you want. You don't really need to if you keep moving and manage aggro, I have done that too. All but the worst of the em/exp missions will not require specific hards. Must use T2 missiles, have to have precisions to take out spider drones and annoying crap. Use a warhead rigor catalyst rig and a target painter. Forget about being cap stable, you don't need to be. Doing almost 800 dps with HML you eat EVERYTHING way before your cap runs out. Also, 7k lp < 12K LP for l4 missions, run them in low sec in your unprobeable tengu.
superteds	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Noran Ferah Just as a point of order, nobody needs this much tank on a pve tengu. One cal navy invuln and one med pith c-type will tank ALL kin/therm l4 missions. I have done it. Add an x-type photon in one of your spare mids for em, or an x-type expl for explosive damage if you want. You don't really need to if you keep moving and manage aggro, I have done that too. All but the worst of the em/exp missions will not require specific hards. Must use T2 missiles, have to have precisions to take out spider drones and annoying crap. Use a warhead rigor catalyst rig and a target painter. Forget about being cap stable, you don't need to be. Doing almost 800 dps with HML you eat EVERYTHING way before your cap runs out. Also, 7k lp < 12K LP for l4 missions, run them in low sec in your unprobeable tengu. he's going guristas nullsec plexing.
Car Wars Pigs In Space United Proletariat	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Noran Ferah Just as a point of order, nobody needs this much tank on a pve tengu. One cal navy invuln and one med pith c-type will tank ALL kin/therm l4 missions. I have done it. good point. I started out with lv4 on the subsystems and the tanked dps looked sow low in EFT (338dps). In essence you dont need to tank at all as you speed tank 90%. The killing speed is awesome. Managing aggro on Angels is important and off courcse refit for amarr. Apart from that I am running this dual boxed so I do not really watch the tank at all.
andeira	Posted - 2010.05.24 00:29:00 - [28] Edited by: andeira on 24/05/2010 00:30:16 this is the fitting I use on my tengu [Tengu, ratting] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Cap Recharger II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate it is expensive but there will be no mission that is gonna break your 1200 DPS cap stable omnitank (needs very good skills to get caps table all lvl V is just stable at 34% otherwise use cap implants)
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.05.24 01:57:00 - [29] My mids go something like this: Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Pith X-Type Heat Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Photon Scattering Field Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Medium Capacitor Battery II With the hardeners switching out, though I don't have to do it often because my agent seems fixated on a certain faction. Before anyone asks, I don't use a boost amp because frankly I have never needed to and I just like the sensor booster for that extra speed targeting.


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