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Drachiel Mercury LLC	Posted - 2010.05.23 21:28:00 - [1] Hey MD, I've noticed recently a lot of downward pressure on stront in Jita. Why is this? Control towers are soon going to switch to player-manufactured, and Strontium is for protecting the investment of a tower. Shouldn't the value of stront be rising with the value of the investment it protects, or is this more likely to be a deliberate manipulation in order to obtain large quantities of cheap stront before its value rises? Personally, I do not think stront would drop in value by natural market causes before the investment it serves to insure becomes more scarce. I don't think anyone believes control tower prices will not be going up, at least initially. D.
zindeen	Posted - 2010.05.23 21:45:00 - [2] Just keep in mind Drachiel that stront is not used a lot most towers never use it and it is a one time fill they keep the other fuel's up so not sure on the pricing of poss fuel if that has really moved but the more people that have pos it might climb a little for a short while but should fall back down again with all the macro miners flooding the marked with it.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.05.23 21:55:00 - [3] Originally by: zindeen Just keep in mind Drachiel that stront is not used a lot most towers never use it and it is a one time fill they keep the other fuel's up so not sure on the pricing of poss fuel if that has really moved but the more people that have pos it might climb a little for a short while but should fall back down again with all the macro miners flooding the marked with it. All aboard for punctuation station. Take a look at pos fuels and they are used on an hourly basis for every active tower in the game. Stront is only consumed by towers that have been reinforced, and then only for the time taken for the stront to run out. Even when a tower is reinforced it still consumes regular fuel. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Clown Pron	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:36:00 - [4] Originally by: zindeen Just keep in mind Drachiel that stront is not used a lot most towers never use it and it is a one time fill they keep the other fuel's up so not sure on the pricing of poss fuel if that has really moved but the more people that have pos it might climb a little for a short while but should fall back down again with all the macro miners flooding the marked with it. Holy long sentence batman
Drachiel Mercury LLC	Posted - 2010.05.24 02:56:00 - [5] Mhm. Point taken on the one time fill. However, if we assume demand for control towers to be constant, then roughly the same amount of control towers will be used. If control towers are more expensive after Tyrannis hits, which they likely will be, there will undoubtedly be less un-stronted towers in space, and I have seen (and violenced) some un-stronted towers before. If a large tower is 500m, (not a terribly unreasonable price for what a large is capable of.) then I doubt anyone will be willing to skip out on the expense of Stront. D.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.05.24 03:18:00 - [6] That's rather a lot of assumptions. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.24 03:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Drachiel Mhm. Point taken on the one time fill. However, if we assume demand for control towers to be constant, then roughly the same amount of control towers will be used. If control towers are more expensive after Tyrannis hits, which they likely will be, there will undoubtedly be less un-stronted towers in space, and I have seen (and violenced) some un-stronted towers before. If a large tower is 500m, (not a terribly unreasonable price for what a large is capable of.) then I doubt anyone will be willing to skip out on the expense of Stront. If the price of towers rises, people will buy less of them, therefore LESS stront will be required. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University
Drachiel Mercury LLC	Posted - 2010.05.24 04:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Originally by: Drachiel Mhm. Point taken on the one time fill. However, if we assume demand for control towers to be constant, then roughly the same amount of control towers will be used. If control towers are more expensive after Tyrannis hits, which they likely will be, there will undoubtedly be less un-stronted towers in space, and I have seen (and violenced) some un-stronted towers before. If a large tower is 500m, (not a terribly unreasonable price for what a large is capable of.) then I doubt anyone will be willing to skip out on the expense of Stront. If the price of towers rises, people will buy less of them, therefore LESS stront will be required. Well, true. Still, given the uses of towers and the way people look at them now, the number bought shouldn't change too much due to moderate changes. If towers all jumped 200m, then I think we'd see less of them in the universe, and people would probably pull some down to sell them, which could readjust things. Strontium is also still at a long-time low. I haven't seen it under 650 in quite some time. D.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.05.24 06:44:00 - [9] Summer. Imagine the implications. Or - if without imagination - read the price history graphs on > 3 month time frame. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Tiserra	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:34:00 - [10] Have we any major wars atm ? Not really, when you roll out the big guns as in Dreadnaughts, they use a huge amount of Stront. 5 cycles of Stront in your fuel bay/cargo hold, @ 350 units per cycle x 80ish Dreads, you get the idea i'm sure......

MailDeadDrop The Collective	Posted - 2010.05.24 14:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Tiserra Have we any major wars atm ? Not really Erm, I suppose it depends upon one's definition of "major" and "atm", but may I direct your attention to H-W9TY (and other NC v. SC shenanigans...) MDD
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente League of Gentlemen	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:00:00 - [12] major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth Regarding high-sec mining: Originally by: AmarrettoDiAmarr 3-4 million ISK/hr is perhaps .15 0r .20 US$/hr; not quite prison wages and you are around less honest people.
Vahdrok Nyrus OX Syndicate Shipyards	Posted - 2010.05.24 15:09:00 - [13] You never go atm ----------------------------- Phey OnatSaehta
Gaia Aemilia Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.05.24 22:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Vahdrok Nyrus You never go atm Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's acceptable to go atm.
Lorkin Desal Caldari Lone Star Partners	Posted - 2010.05.25 01:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth ATM = At the moment, for the less paedophilic amongst us.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2010.05.25 02:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Lorkin Desal Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth ATM = At the moment, for the less paedophilic amongst us. Wait, so in your world you relate "ass to mouth" to Pedophilia? Hate to see the results of your latest rorschach test. That light on your leg bracelet could be you probation officer tracking you dude. Patri I'll Roshambo you for that Titan
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.05.25 03:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Lorkin Desal Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth ATM = At the moment, for the less paedophilic amongst us. Please describe how you reached this conclusion. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Chretien Herman	Posted - 2010.05.25 07:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Professor Leech Originally by: Lorkin Desal Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth ATM = At the moment, for the less paedophilic amongst us. Please describe how you reached this conclusion. Two Words: Context Clues.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries United Star Federation	Posted - 2010.05.25 09:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Zendoren on 25/05/2010 09:45:38 Originally by: Drachiel Mhm. Point taken on the one time fill. However, if we assume demand for control towers to be constant, then roughly the same amount of control towers will be used. If control towers are more expensive after Tyrannis hits, which they likely will be, there will undoubtedly be less un-stronted towers in space, and I have seen (and violenced) some un-stronted towers before. If a large tower is 500m, (not a terribly unreasonable price for what a large is capable of.) then I doubt anyone will be willing to skip out on the expense of Stront. Why Ice Products/Block prices are falling Point 1: SC vs NC war is slowing (relatively speaking) and thus less fuel is being used by capital ships (perhaps even a surplus is at hand for both sides and they are trying to sell off extra to pay for losses, who knows) Also, generally speaking, most of the Big Alliance Blocks do not have big operations during patch time thus reducing demand even more. Point 2: With the new patch coming out and changes to the NPC POS fuel seeding down the pike. Most people are holding off on all NEW POS related activities and maintaining what thay have; Making demand flat for Ice products in the meantime. (That assuming that no one POPs any towers until market corrects, fat chance of that ROFL ) (Addition) Point 3: Ice macros are on the rise thus saturating the market with tons of unwanted ice products/blocks. This drives down the price even more as people constantly undercut each other in a bid to move their products. (I mean seriously have you seen the ice belts recently? Macros, Macros, Macros, as far as the eye can see!)
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:30:00 - [20] Edited by: SencneS on 25/05/2010 15:30:44 Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane major: a rank, usually in the military. atm: ass-to-mouth How do you get your ass to meet your mouth!! I would pay real money to see that! Amarr for Life

o0TuNa0o The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.05.25 15:40:00 - [21] Strip naked. Put head between legs and then roll down a tower block staircase
Gaia Aemilia Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.05.25 18:41:00 - [22] Originally by: SencneS How do you get your ass to meet your mouth!! I would pay real money to see that! ATM is about inserting a certain object in the former, take it out, and then inserting it into the latter. Some people think it's acceptable, for others it's a big no no.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.05.25 18:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Gaia Aemilia Originally by: SencneS How do you get your ass to meet your mouth!! I would pay real money to see that! ATM is about inserting a certain object in the former, take it out, and then inserting it into the latter. Some people think it's acceptable, for others it's a big no no. By transference huh... not exactly something I would pay money to see, still... WTB Show where someone places their mouth on their ass. Amarr for Life
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.05.25 23:05:00 - [24] It's like hardly anyone has seen Clerks 2. Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
Gaia Aemilia Amarr ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2010.05.25 23:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Professor Leech It's like hardly anyone has seen Clerks 2. I was wondering how long it would take till someone brought that up.
Brosef Fritzl	Posted - 2010.05.25 23:58:00 - [26] NC has decided to stop stronting their control towers and no longer use dreads in siege, only non-stront eating supercaps, so-- demand for stront is down.
Mikhail Dmitriev	Posted - 2010.05.26 02:01:00 - [27] Dear lord this topic is going to be moderated.
Thoraxe Rig Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Mikhail Dmitriev Dear lord this topic is going to be moderated. This thread is going to be moderated so hard.
SetrakDark Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Thoraxe Rig Originally by: Mikhail Dmitriev Dear lord this topic is going to be moderated. This thread is going to be moderated so hard. atm hard?


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