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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:54:00 -
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Not supporting this idea.
This proposal is a whole lot of "something for nothing". If you want the learning skills removed, then remove them. No free bonuses for anyone.
If this proposal passes, what's next then? I think the same people who support this proposal will be begin screaming that cyber implants are not fair either. I mean...a new player can't use +5's right? He or she would have to train a skill. That skill would take a while. The implants are expensive. New players can't have that right away and that's not fair to them! Right? Let's do away with implants too or give all new players Cybernetics 5 and full sets of +5 implants! It's fair because older players are already ahead of them and so they shouldn't have to work through the rules of the game to achieve any of that. It should all just be given free right up front! Right?
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Takseen
Edited by: Takseen on 01/07/2010 17:20:13
Originally by: Jack Icegaard
Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 01/07/2010 15:08:18
CCP have constructed their game so that new players are at a disadvantage compared to veterans. It is a game-design. The whole skill-system puts new players at a disadvantage, not just learning skills. As I said, it did not have to be this way. You could get the skills by plugging them in and they could be cheap as dirt. Or you could have all skills to begin with.
Those that now are veterans have also been new players, that is important to remember.
So you agree that removing learning skills would not remove the advantage veterans have rightfully earned for having subscribed and played for longer?
I can't be sure but I don't think that's the point they were making. Having read a variety of your posts now, though, I can say you are quite adept at putting words in people's mouths. I'll wager that you are a salesperson in RL. I can see the assumptive sales technique in a great many of your posts. Once I look past your nearly religious hatred of learning skills, your obvious bias, and your nauseating sense of entitlement, your salesmanship skills can be seen.
To further address your last statement, of course removing the learning skills removes ( as you yourself called it ) an "advantage veterans have rightfully earned for having subscribed and played for longer". You want to give that rightfully earned ability for training speed to the newest of the new and the most worthless of the unwilling. You are contradicting yourself.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:39:00 -
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It's definitely a slippery slope. The fallacy is avoided because the middle ground is acknowledged. You guys do know that there are other possible compromises on the learning skill situation besides the way this is currently drafted, right? This current proposal is simply a welfare bill. Free stuff for the needy.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
...And that's why the pro learning skills crowd will never quit...
The pro learning skills crowd will never quit because the anti learning skills crowd is equally relentless. You would like for this to end? Give up now.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Originally by: Clovermite
Edited by: Clovermite on 02/07/2010 18:45:56
Hey I'm all for being able to train faster - approved.
I am rather curious though:
CCP just awarded every player a set of skill points to allocate wherever they chose.
Likewise, they could refund all players the SPs they put into learning skills. As for the money spent on the books, CCP could also refund them the NPC cost of the skill books required for said skills.
What did people not like about this solution?
People who disapprove:
- 10% are people who couldn't read the suggestion
- 20% are angry vets with no RL and don't want new players to join the game
I have a similarly clever list:
People who approve of this:
50% Self-righteous whiners with a run-away sense of entitlement
50% Drooling, diaper-****ting, booger eaters
You what my list adds to this discussion that yours doesn't? Nothing! They are both equally asinine!
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