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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:09:00 -
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check it out!
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
343
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:51:00 -
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And these do what, exactly?
EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
467
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:53:00 -
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cheaper clones.
clone price based on open market instead of base price...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
stoicfaux
1234
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:And these do what, exactly?
Let you make copies of your clones. Duh.
Which you can then use in invention to make Tech II Clones.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp
Legion of xXDEATHXx
63
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:And these do what, exactly?
-_- ..... Oh, I don't know build clones? 
Various people (CSM and others) were complaining about the high isk cost of medical clones on higher sp characters. It looks like CCP responded by giving us the ability to build clones ourselves.
There might be some interesting things to do in the lore here but who cares?
EVE is one step closer to being out of beta.  |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:17:00 -
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So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?
Malcanis Law...
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4159
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:46:00 -
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This sounds like a very elaborate troll, if indeed then good work haha
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Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.07.14 07:50:00 -
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Better stock up them clones, expect prices to quadruple... |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
207
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Posted - 2012.07.14 08:05:00 -
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Your claim of being on SiSi is highly exaggerated. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
250
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Posted - 2012.07.14 14:17:00 -
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Patrakele wrote:Better stock up them clones, expect prices to quadruple...
I hear to make clones the materials list a combo of Technetium, HI SEC Ice, & bacon. Bacon market along with all other non kosher PI items are being rapidly cornerd by goons after a DEV named "T2 the Second" dropped the BPOs into a drake drop.
And this is the real reason why Hulkageddon is now perpetual.
In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
176
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:17:00 -
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Don't feed the troll.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
467
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:36:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Don't feed the troll.
its actually not a troll this was pulled from the latest sisi update thread... i am currently DL the client (at work so i cant install just yet)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131864&find=unread
i am more interested in how the mechanics will work...
can i buy and sell them on market?
whats the production cost?
do they have to be installed at a station with a med bay? or ship with clone vat bay?
what does this mean for WH space?
and so on...
i think this is one of the biggest changes in a long time...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
794
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:57:00 -
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I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
468
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Posted - 2012.07.14 16:10:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing.
same here but i think CCP has learnt a good hard lesson about removing functionality... so hopefully you will have the base price in npc med bays...
but can have a dynamic price for ones bought and sold on market...
i would actually do PI if it meant i could turn biomass stuff into a new clone for me...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
797
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Posted - 2012.07.14 17:53:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing. same here but i think CCP has learnt a good hard lesson about removing functionality... so hopefully you will have the base price in npc med bays... but can have a dynamic price for ones bought and sold on market... i would actually do PI if it meant i could turn biomass stuff into a new clone for me...
Or pod people, reprocess their corpses and make me a shiny new 80m SP clone.
(i've read my EVE lore ^^)
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Rudgier Thorrin
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
15
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Posted - 2012.07.14 19:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums
WTB: Tinfoil Hat II. Or a Caldari Navy one.
> Implying I need a signature |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
455
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Posted - 2012.07.14 20:01:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing. same here but i think CCP has learnt a good hard lesson about removing functionality... so hopefully you will have the base price in npc med bays... but can have a dynamic price for ones bought and sold on market... i would actually do PI if it meant i could turn biomass stuff into a new clone for me...
CCP learning WHAT?
See, it goes like this:
1- noisy minority whines to have their cloning cost reduced
2- upon months of whining, CCP developer designs a player-driven clone fix and presents it to CCP Unifex
3- CCP Unifex agrees, but thinks that it would be a waste to not use that new resource for everyone
4- CCP removes NPC clones so everybody uses the ""gorgeous"" market clones until noobs wonder why all Beta clones are worth 50 million ISk in their region
5- 3 years later CCP agrees that maybe they're losing revenue by allowing griefers to harrass noobs through clone market manipulation and "clonegeddon" ensues
Think the worst, make it utterly stupid, and then you will get what CCP may come to do about it. 
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1680
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:03:00 -
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Anything reducing the ridiculous cost of higher SP med clones is long overdue, but looking at how CCP 'fixed' FW, sceptiscim is in order.
You know... morons. |
Torvin Yulus
State War Academy
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:05:00 -
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theres no need for more than 10m sp biter vets are jst bitter min amxers
im a pubby and im proud |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
117
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:26:00 -
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Maybe the first blueprints to start supporting Dust? Rumor is that Mercs will have to buy their clones.
I support Team Avatar and the new exploration concept. Exploding ships, popping clones, dark places full of danger where your friendly neighborhood capsuleers can poke each other with sharp objects and hot plasma while looking for exciting new loots. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
19
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Posted - 2012.07.14 23:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Patrakele wrote:Better stock up them clones, expect prices to quadruple... I hear to make clones the materials list a combo of Technetium, HI SEC Ice, & bacon. Bacon market along with all other non kosher PI items are being rapidly cornerd by goons after a DEV named "T20 the Second" dropped the BPOs into a drake drop. And this is the real reason why Hulkageddon is now perpetual. In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums
I lol'd. +1 for you =)
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Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2012.07.15 01:44:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?
Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it? |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.07.15 01:58:00 -
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Perhaps this will give me something to do with them corpses stinking up my hangar. Recycled into the bill of materials  |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
459
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Posted - 2012.07.15 08:51:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper? Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?
This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.
Which means that clones will be player-built.
Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.
Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.
Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.
Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.
It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Danfen Fenix
138
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:26:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper? Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it? This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi. Which means that clones will be player-built. Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed. Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones. Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players. Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about. It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.
This 'market manipulation' you're so worried about affecting newer players would never happen...otherwise people would have already done it on large scale with lower end items that are common for newer players to use  |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2488
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:45:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper? Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it? This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi. Which means that clones will be player-built. Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed. Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones. Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players. Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about. It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.
That still wouldn't make this a case of Malcanis's law. What you describe is just a case where people want clone prices for high SP clones to be reduced and the end result ends up benefitting the vets just as intended. For Malcanis's law to apply the change would have to had been justified in the name of helping new players. This is clearly not the case, since the complaints have always been about old high SP characters having to deal with crazy clone prices.
Personally I think an item found in the database is pretty flimsy basis to start getting upset about anything. There are all kinds of items there, that have never been put in to the game. Clone production could also be something related to the avatar based gameplay or jump clones and not actually have much or any affect on the current medical clone mechanic. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
821
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:15:00 -
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The clone bpc could also be a Dust 514 thing. I remember a presentation at fanfest where a Dev said the goal for the defenders was to run the attackers out of clones before their base fell. That implies the attackers can get a supply of clones from somewhere.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
67
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:19:00 -
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Rudgier Thorrin wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums WTB: Tinfoil Hat II. Or a Caldari Navy one.
Psst....Fed Navy=same stats, lower price, different name.
Viva Gallente! |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
103
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:40:00 -
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screenshot or didnt happen? |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1682
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:41:00 -
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Good point about them being implemented for dust (someone also rose it on page one) - I just hope they can be used by eve players just as well and have material requirements that actually make the higher SP ones cheaper.
On a side note, I consider the fact that all the premature whining comes from someone who appears to be mainly interested in the highsec PVE/CQ/dressup side of eve and thus, doesn't even need a lot of clones quite hilarious.
Dumbest blether I have read on these forums in quite a while - and yes - that's quite an achievement...
Some people just whine for whinings sake, I guess ...
You know... morons. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4320
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Posted - 2012.07.15 13:51:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper? Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it? This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi. Which means that clones will be player-built. Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed. Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones. Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players. Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about. It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.
Is this being presented or justified as "helping new players"? If not, my Law does not apply.
As it is, I approve of player-built clones. If you want to play a game where no one can "grief" you (ie: interact with you), then try Start -> All Programs -> Games -> Solitaire
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Hoshi
Paxton Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
20
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Posted - 2012.07.15 14:26:00 -
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If Quafe is not one of the building materials I am going to be seriously disappointed.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason." |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1622
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Posted - 2012.07.15 15:42:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing. same here but i think CCP has learnt a good hard lesson about removing functionality... so hopefully you will have the base price in npc med bays... but can have a dynamic price for ones bought and sold on market... i would actually do PI if it meant i could turn biomass stuff into a new clone for me... CCP learning WHAT? See, it goes like this: 1- noisy minority whines to have their cloning cost reduced 2- upon months of whining, CCP developer designs a player-driven clone fix and presents it to CCP Unifex 3- CCP Unifex agrees, but thinks that it would be a waste to not use that new resource for everyone 4- CCP removes NPC clones so everybody uses the ""gorgeous"" market clones until noobs wonder why all Beta clones are worth 50 million ISk in their region 5- 3 years later CCP agrees that maybe they're losing revenue by allowing griefers to harrass noobs through clone market manipulation and "clonegeddon" ensues Think the worst, make it utterly stupid, and then you will get what CCP may come to do about it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D :D
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
463
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Posted - 2012.07.15 16:10:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper? Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it? This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi. Which means that clones will be player-built. Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed. Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones. Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players. Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about. It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did. This 'market manipulation' you're so worried about affecting newer players would never happen...otherwise people would have already done it on large scale with lower end items that are common for newer players to use
Clones are a bottleneck resource. It's not like they are the nth almost identical T1 module.
Also the art of prevention is to react based on what the opposition CAN do, not on what it MAY do. People may or may not abuse player-supplied clones. But then, why release a system that can be abused, when all you need is to allow Mr Ultra Skillpoints to build his own clone in his own POS while everybody else gets them from NPC?
Also, CCP may remove NPC clones or may not, but, why suppose they're gonna get it right when they've been messing things up since ever?
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
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