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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:59:00 -
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From your blog:
Originally by: DawnTreader With the shield hardeners offline we made relatively short work of the POS as it invulnerability expired. Relatively, beacuse it still took a dozen battleships around 6 hours to melt it into oblivion. But man it felt good. You could almost hear the arrhythmic patter of 13 geeks dancing awkwardly around their spare rooms in victory.
Pure genius
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ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:02:00 -
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Betrayal, middle aged housewives (leaving their husbands for various best friends soon no doubt), an actual story arc, corp drama, explosions... this has it all!
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Cyrius Logik
Minmatar BioTech Systems Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.05.29 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrius Logik on 29/05/2010 02:53:15 Yup, gotta put my two cents in... Edit: No... wait... this is a buck and a quarter.
Quite a well written blog, entertaining and a worthwhile read. Unfortunately, there is quite a bit of fiction mixed in. Most of what is said about DERP is its own business, but I've been with Indy for a while now and know quite well how we operate. I am, in fact, one of the founders of Indy's current WH operations and can speak on the subject. I can go on about how we, frankly, are harder combatants than any original member of DERP. However... the critical issue here is all the facts and feuds that were either obscured or omitted.
The DERP POS, cried for over 24 hours about lack of fuel. The two most competent POS managers were on hiatus and the POS suffered for lack of organization and evidently went offline. At some point, ships were launched via array and items were removed from the hangars. This could only happen prior to the fuel running out, so the facts indicate either premeditated theft or complete idiocy. Accusations and tantrums were the only notice of DERP jumping alliance and we were dec'd shortly thereafter. Currently, Indy is investigating the incident and making progress, in spite of war, towards identifying what actually occurred during those nefarious hours.
Originally by: Dian'h Might
Originally by: DeathMan Have to say be thankful that it was just some ship losses and the POS being offline for how ever long it was, it could of been much worse. The un-anchoring of the structures, or even worse a total corp clean out. I've seen it happen in the past to people, and im sure I'll see it in the future.
This is kind of what makes me suspicious we're not being told the whole story. He's claiming that all the ships were gone, yet the POS modules were apparently untouched? If I had starbase equipment config role and was planning a corp theft, I'd grab a lot more than just the ships.
This is a very good observation, and one of the reasons we aren't lynching our own people for the sake of unproven conspiracy. It is a fact, however, that Dawntreader knows nothing about CEO operations, including roles, access, permissions, procedures, risks, etc, etc. One correlation here, is that the guilty party knew as much as Dawntreader about POS operations. The chiefly accused, Carden and Jenny, are POS experts, and wouldn't have been so erroneous.
Indeed, most of the members that have been accused, were absent from the WH and without a route during the heist. A hauler, affiliated with those nasty treacherous Indy, was still logged off in the wormhole and could have hauled off a majority of the POS in one trip. Yet, as the KM shows, the cargohold only contained the leftover ammo and supplies from the POS take-down that Indy provided for DERP. Titanium Sabot is just a way of showing how much you appreciate the support, right?
For a corp that can't tie its own shoelaces, DERP sure does make a big fuss and throw accusations at people responsible for every bit of success to DERP's name. The fact that roles and access were dished out so haphazardly and then an amature heist spells out incompetence on all levels -- Sounds like DERP to me.
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Zephris
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Posted - 2010.05.29 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Zephris on 29/05/2010 05:09:11 Dawn: Nicely written. Unfortunately you are involving a large number of people who would not possibly have had anything to do with your problem. And it doesn't sit well with them. |
Draulin
Gallente Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.05.29 20:34:00 -
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Nice summary Cyr, I didn't know some of that. I do like the quote from DT:
Quote: It's been a dramatic couple of eve weeks for me and my corp.
Sums it up well. Drama queen. |
Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2010.05.29 21:23:00 -
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Very nice, I accept that any story of betrayal and theft is going to be niased in favor of the victim.
That has no bearing on the fact that this is a great story, easy to follow and if the pvp aspects of the other side are understated then that will play out in the killbaords.
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Jita MarketMan
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Posted - 2010.05.29 23:14:00 -
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To be quite honest, I read this blog and am confused as to the compliments he gets on his writing. Most of it has redundancy and run-on elements in it and is quite simplistic.
Or are we saying, excellent writing through overcoming your obvious disability of low intellect?
If so then I would accept that. It's tolerable writing from an idiot or a child.
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Draulin
Gallente Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.05.30 00:02:00 -
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Ouch. He's an okay guy, just gets heated and overreacts (apparently). After almost a dozen of Indy's friends declared war on him in retaliation he has now retracted his war on Indy. |
Epicbeardman
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Posted - 2010.05.30 01:06:00 -
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Weren't kidding with the middle aged women comment.
You Independent Faction girls on your periods?
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Draulin
Gallente Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.05.31 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Epicbeardman Weren't kidding with the middle aged women comment.
You Independent Faction girls on your periods?
I think your feminine intuition is failing you. |
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Jackhammer Jenny
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Posted - 2010.05.31 07:03:00 -
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I found this little snippit to be slightly inaccurate.
---- Our Titus had also apparently deeply offended one of the more emotional alliance members with some off the cuff remark. Jackhammer Jenny, a industrialist we'd clashed with over PVP policy and had apparently put a lot of energy into trying to convince the rest of the alliance they'd be better off without a PVP wing. ----
The corrected verse could be stated simply as I felt the alliance would be better off without -you-. I felt at the time your actions on the whole were not only clueless but immature. I believe that INDY should have a PVP side and I fully support this, however I also believe that the leader of said group should be mature in most of their dealings with others.
It is a good read if abit off from the truth. |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.05.31 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jita MarketMan To be quite honest, I read this blog and am confused as to the compliments he gets on his writing. Most of it has redundancy and run-on elements in it and is quite simplistic.
Or are we saying, excellent writing through overcoming your obvious disability of low intellect?
If so then I would accept that. It's tolerable writing from an idiot or a child.
Yeah? Well let's see some samples of your work then, so we have something to compare to.
Vlad is the only writer that really stands out in here, with an honorable mention to "Warrior for Woman belong to me" for comedy value.
That said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading the OP's blog. Good work!
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Zephris
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Posted - 2010.06.01 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Epicbeardman Weren't kidding with the middle aged women comment.
You Independent Faction girls on your periods?
Vent told me INDY contains plenty of manly men if that's what you prefer
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Carden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.02 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Carden on 02/06/2010 17:34:05 LOL
Life is amusing isnÆt it? IÆm a smartass, itÆs my nature, however if you are a friend or accepted by my friends even grudgingly IÆll do what I can to help you.
Just some general information on myself, I have played eve off and on since 2005. I have known Bjorn and the Alliance Executor Winter Steel for several years and am proud to call them my friends. They have put up and in rare cases cheered on my foolishness in certain channels (they have also told me to shut my yapper more than once). I have had the privilege to fly with not only them but dozens of other skilled players in this time, and have seen many if not all of the aspects of Eve. I would like to point out a few things.
Most of this has been pointed out already...
ò According to DawnTreader, in his own blog posted Friday, 12 March 2010: http://evenings-dawn.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-03-19T00%3A00%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7 he had little experience being a PVPer.
ò According to alliance members DawnTreader had caused several problems through a lack of communication.
ò When I first communicated (per request of a friend) with DawnTreader I believed that he might look at the available information (my corporate history) and see that I had links to Colonial fleet services. I expect everyone to do a quick background history on me if I engage you in conversation. He did not investigate my background instead he blew me off (his right to do so). At this time I had begun reading his blog which I found to be side splitting amusing.
ò That day I rejoined INDY, the next morning I saw DawnTreader in the alliance chat preceded to be myselfà Not knowing what had happened earlier. Within hours Deep Space Derp had left INDY and all this began.
ò DawnTreader never took this any of this to the alliance executor; he never attempted to show anyone proof that Independent Faction was at the heart of this. He did not ask for help, he did not request I leave the alliance (which I would have). He jumped from the alliance kicked 50% of his corporation (all those that might have a link to Independent Faction) and started spamming about permanent war deccs.
ò Any pilot not in Deep Space Derp had to find out through pilots being kicked out about what had happened and what was happening.
When I first joined Independent Faction I was read some pretty basic rules. You gotta be able to take what you give & No piracy.
DawnTreader could have approached me directly, he did not. He could have spoken with a dozen members of his corp or the alliance, he did not. Instead he dropped alliance, kicked a large number of pilots and War deccÆd the group that would have and had helped him the most.
DawnTreader you are not a leader, your actions prove that point over and over. Your character has been ingame since 2005 not doing a scan of the forums to see if this character has been traded I can only say you have not learned anything since you started this game.
*edited to fix URL
The mods fear my attack gerbil!
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Hue Janus
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Carden Edited by: Carden on 02/06/2010 17:58:54
ò When I first communicated (per request of a friend) with DawnTreader I believed that he might look at the available information (my corporate history) and see that I had links to Colonial fleet services. I expect everyone to do a quick background history on me if I engage you in conversation. He did not investigate my background instead he blew me off (his right to do so). At this time I had begun reading his blog which I found to be side splitting amusing.
*edited to fix URL
He blew you immeadiately? No warning, just straight on it, are you sure he has a right to do that? If you believe he has a right to do that I do not want to live where you live! I have now added him to my blocked list in order to avoid a similar fate, suggest others do likewise.
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Donatella D'Tren
Harbingers of Chaos Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.02 18:45:00 -
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Quote: It took a full 24 hours of constant damage dealing to put the beast into reinforced mode. The fleet usually being between 12 and 18 ships strong.
Oh my god.
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Carden
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.03 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hue Janus
Originally by: Carden Edited by: Carden on 02/06/2010 17:58:54
ò When I first communicated (per request of a friend) with DawnTreader I believed that he might look at the available information (my corporate history) and see that I had links to Colonial fleet services. I expect everyone to do a quick background history on me if I engage you in conversation. He did not investigate my background instead he blew me off (his right to do so). At this time I had begun reading his blog which I found to be side splitting amusing.
*edited to fix URL
He blew you immeadiately? No warning, just straight on it, are you sure he has a right to do that? If you believe he has a right to do that I do not want to live where you live! I have now added him to my blocked list in order to avoid a similar fate, suggest others do likewise.
Everyone has the right to have a off day, find me the legal documentation that states you can't make a dumb move every so often.
The mods fear my attack gerbil!
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.06.03 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jackhammer Jenny I found this little snippit to be slightly inaccurate.
---- Our Titus had also apparently deeply offended one of the more emotional alliance members with some off the cuff remark. Jackhammer Jenny, a industrialist we'd clashed with over PVP policy and had apparently put a lot of energy into trying to convince the rest of the alliance they'd be better off without a PVP wing. ----
The corrected verse could be stated simply as I felt the alliance would be better off without -you-. I felt at the time your actions on the whole were not only clueless but immature. I believe that INDY should have a PVP side and I fully support this, however I also believe that the leader of said group should be mature in most of their dealings with others.
It is a good read if abit off from the truth.
Look, the problem is Jenny, you are looking at this with a biased eye. You know your side of the story, and how you feel it went down. However, this story represents the view from an obviously biased narrator, or in proper terms, and unreliable narrator. I'm not saying his side is wrong either, it's just the manner of story craft. The author can't truly know every action you did, so they simply represent you as they perceive it. From a story perspective, this works.
Honestly, I liked the story. However, it runs into one of the most immediate problems of... involving real people. Had all the names been changed to protect the whatever, I think there would be more compliments on the story telling and style itself.
That said, I honestly liked this line the best:
"I suspect the coffee and tobacco industries did pretty well out of that op."
Really, that helps tie people into the mood and feeling, in a nice light hearted way. We'veall been there for some event/op/function where you were stuck working late, chain smoking, drinking pots of coffee. It matches well with the mood.
Honestly, though I have no vested interested in either side, I wouldn't mind hearing more stories just to see how this develops.
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Lucy Donnahue
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Posted - 2010.06.03 17:09:00 -
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Interesting read, I know what you mean by "being CEO is a job". There's a very good reason I don't do that stuff anymore.
Sorry you got screwed.
I've said this before (maybe not on the boards but in convos in game in the like).
Alliances are a decpetion, an illusion. Sharing a chat room doesn't make people friends or trusted allies in any real way.
I only trust people who are real-life friends or I've been flying with them for a good amount of time.
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Zephris
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zephris on 04/06/2010 05:01:01 I am a hardcore bear. I don't care about politics. I dock for wars.
I was just in a belt minding my own business one day when Eve dropped me a notification that DERP has declared war on Indy. And later I was informed that it was intended to be a permanent war.
What the hell. I haven't left highsec since I resubscribed to eve now I couldn't even mine because some random people on the other side of universe was having a bad day.
Dawntreader has given uninvolved people no choice but to defend themselves. Could this be justified by stolen ship or fuel? |
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Jaxx Blackfox
Diva'ratrika
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:57:00 -
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I mentioned on numerous occasions that DawnTreader had no idea what he was getting himself into with a war dec on such a large alliance on his own. As the last week has played out more people have joined on both sides and has reached its height I believe with the reinforcement of the Deep Space Derp POS that Indy had originally helped with setting up. 24 hours from now they will have lost their single largest investment to an otherwise pointless war.
Getting screwed over sucks, but sometimes you have to take it with a calmer head instead of instant war decs and wild accusations. Hopefully Derp will learn from this so that it will never reach this point again for them.
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2010.06.07 02:26:00 -
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Great read - well written, I enjoyed reading this a great deal - especially since I know a few of the ppl involved.
Mud Dawg is complete s****- a sexually frustrated 14 yr old is my guess ( Prolly Ugly in RL).
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Zephris
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Posted - 2010.06.07 03:24:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1331401
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