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Jae FelSaen
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:35:00 -
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=Please X up if you think the new insurance system is completely borked.=
I want to start a serious petition for CCP to restore the previous insurance system to the game.
Pilots flying t1 ships need the full platinum payout in order to recover their loses. This is the only way new players will be able to transition into nullsec pvp smoothly.
If you fly a t2 ship you are accepting the possibility that you could lose the ship and the money it costs. This is for prestigious pilots who have the isk to spend on pvp.
If you fly a capital ship, perhaps the insurance payout should be lowered from what is was for the same reason as t2, but cap pilots already lose hundreds of millions on fittings. Regardless, cap pilots who had platinum insurance before the patch paid quite a bit of isk for the policy, and with the new patch the payout is barely any more than the cost it was to insure.
As I understand it, the new insurance system was implemented to prevent nullsec alliances from being able to produce endless t1 ships for little cost, but the problem is the new players now have absolutely no way to get involved in pvp effectively.
Players, please sign my petition. Developers, I implore you to hear us and take action so we can go back to enjoying the dynamics of the game that we have enjoyed for years.
Finest Regards,
Jae |
Valeto Ki
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:37:00 -
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/signed.
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Aeris Infinity
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:43:00 -
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Roo Gryphon
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:44:00 -
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X owner
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:45:00 -
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X
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Uncle Lim
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Posted - 2010.05.28 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Uncle Lim on 28/05/2010 07:57:25
This should be in the Assembly Hall, really.
Also, you got the reason for the insurance rebalancing completely off. The real reason was explained in this devblog two months ago. The fact that you're complaining about it now shows that you didn't take an interest in it up to this point, when it has already been implemented.
Give the market some time to stabilize, then the insurance should naturally start following market trends. |
StinGer ShoGuN
Pleasure and Pain
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: StinGer ShoGuN on 28/05/2010 08:00:40
Read dev blogs men !
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=746.
You'd better discuss that in the comments.
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Sorry for the double posting, I wrote while Uncle Lim posted...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:06:00 -
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The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
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Rosmary
Shadow's of Ezra
On the Rocks
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rosmary on 28/05/2010 08:12:08
x since my Tengu is not even close to 100% insureable
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 28/05/2010 08:22:15
Yes CPP, give away free ships and equipment so you can freely PvP without bothering about ISK!!!
Or earn ISK by blowing up your ships or riskless suicide ganking!!
- I petition to remove the whole insurance system alltogether.
Or add a max payout of 1 million - so the new players where the OP is so concerned about can fully insure their t1 frigs and destroyers.
Or make insureance RL realistic - if you lose to many ships you can't insure your ships anymore and after every payout your insurance fee goes up.
And who actually gives a damn. Ships are dead cheap; it's the modules that are the most pricey and you can't insure those anyway.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
Agreed.
I'm one of those people who always used T1 for PVP (bar the odd T2 toy like a AF), and I will continue to do so despite them becoming marginally more expensive.
And I really mean marginally, because fittings are most of the price anyway (so, eg. a Hurricane with my typical fit went from 35 mil to lose to 46 mil to lose, big deal, Tempest from 55 mil loss cost to 88 mil loss cost, again not a big deal). If anything, T1 fits are no longer insanely/crazily cost effective like they used to (a good thing, tbh), there is a larger difference in price between ship classes (again, a good thing), and there's a lot of benefits for the economy from this.
This only reduces the cost-effectiveness of BCs/BS somewhat, which is fine. I will continue to fly these ships solo and do the same stuff I always did regardless.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.05.28 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 28/05/2010 09:01:25
I lose 50k isk more on my insured caracals than before but I get quite a bit more isk when I lose an intercepter. My Hyperion lost quite a bit of value but I am not all that bothered by it to be honest as the fittings cost twice as much the ship itself.
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:10:00 -
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I disagree with the op.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
This really.
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Vintorez Kosakami
Caldari
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:15:00 -
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one of the main things EVE separates itself from other MMO's is that when you die, you feel the loss, unlike die, revive, start again rubbish.
the insurance was never meant to fully cover losses, but make the loss less of an impact.
way back at the start, ships were more expensive to build and sold alot higher, meaning the insurance scheme was scaled with that, so a player loosing one would feel the loss, but over time, players have begun making the ships cheaper, therefore the loss of a bs has scaled with that and become less of a risk to loose.
eve should never and will never become a riskless game.
if you dont want to loose isk pvp'ing, dont do it, because the rush of loosing a ship is where most pvp'ers get their exhilaration.
Their is no bug, its a feature!!!
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:23:00 -
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/disagree
buhu insurance doesnt cover the cost of paying insurance anymore, how about not paying for insurance at all getting the basic back and loosing a bit more - at least if it lasts the ins period you save cash!
anyway why would it be 'okay' for t2 not to be fully covered and t1 would be? T2 more specialised more risk less free coverage, fair neough but who says t1 should be 100% risk free.
Its like you havnt played eve complaining that somthing that was overlooked for a long time got some attention to make it a bit harder, like verything else in game.
go back to another popular mmoprg?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
On the one hand this; on the other hand, poor minersą 
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Bite me inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jae FelSaen
=Please X up if you think the new insurance system is completely borked.=
I want to start a serious petition for CCP to restore the previous insurance system to the game.
Pilots flying t1 ships need the full platinum payout in order to recover their loses. This is the only way new players will be able to transition into nullsec pvp smoothly.
If you fly a t2 ship you are accepting the possibility that you could lose the ship and the money it costs. This is for prestigious pilots who have the isk to spend on pvp.
If you fly a capital ship, perhaps the insurance payout should be lowered from what is was for the same reason as t2, but cap pilots already lose hundreds of millions on fittings. Regardless, cap pilots who had platinum insurance before the patch paid quite a bit of isk for the policy, and with the new patch the payout is barely any more than the cost it was to insure.
As I understand it, the new insurance system was implemented to prevent nullsec alliances from being able to produce endless t1 ships for little cost, but the problem is the new players now have absolutely no way to get involved in pvp effectively.
Players, please sign my petition. Developers, I implore you to hear us and take action so we can go back to enjoying the dynamics of the game that we have enjoyed for years.
Finest Regards,
Jae
I too wish to make hunderds of millions of ISKies daily by blowing up insured battleships.
Haven't even checked out the new insurance system but I can already tell you it can't really be worse than what we had previously.
Your thread is irrelevant, as CCP will not change their opinion.
If they would, I would still be lobbying against turning EVE into a myspacefacetwittingbookhellokittyworldonline via walking in stations... but you don't hear me complaining.
(Though I must admit I am really glad this particular thing appears to be put on the less important list of priorities by CCP)
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Markey
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Posted - 2010.05.28 10:59:00 -
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when i first started playing this game there used to be a saying that all PVPers knew....
"If you cant afford to loose it, dont fly it"
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:21:00 -
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I can smell a butthurt "insurance exchanger"...
/disagree
And i¦m with Tippia as my main WAS miner, and missionrunner.
And i¦m VERY MUCH with Natalie. /supported
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
The 23rd Sense
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Posted - 2010.05.28 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
This ^^
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.05.28 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
nuff said 
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August Moondweller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:08:00 -
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the transition to nullsec PVP includes nullsec ratting/ isk making ways. a newbie that cant get money from 0.0 should not be in 0.0
T2 ships are actualy "affordable" now. for what i understand, a newbie that wants to PVP would have a faster start in a T2 hull that a T2 fitted BS.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 28/05/2010 13:10:02
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
On the one hand this; on the other hand, poor minersą
All I can say to that is that miners now have a considerably greater incentive to promote conditions that favour active, intelligent players over, to use my favourite euphemism, "more predictable" ones.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 28/05/2010 13:10:02
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Malcanis
The new insurance system is totally awesome, and a long overdue adjustment.
Now your ship losses actually mean something.
And not that you guys care about the economy, but this change stops a vast ISK fountain.
On the one hand this; on the other hand, poor minersą
All I can say to that is that miners now have a considerably greater incentive to promote conditions that favour active, intelligent players over, to use my favourite euphemism, "more predictable" ones.
I'm going to have to agree with Malcanis - this change was needed and once the market stabilizes, it will be a good thing.
--Vel
Originally by: Jiseinoku
Mining is the path to enlightement.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:33:00 -
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I hate the new insurance changes.
I like the idea that they come from an average on the market.. and i like the idea that T2 ships actualy give a meaningfull payout. But atm it just doesnt give enough.
Id prefer the older payouts to the new ones.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.28 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
I'm going to have to agree with Malcanis
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Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2010.05.28 14:32:00 -
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Insurance is indeed borked but returning it to the previous way isn't any better. New system please.
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echira
the Misogynist
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Posted - 2010.05.30 01:42:00 -
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X
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=746
Quote:
Our new insurance system recalculates the value of all ship classes which includes Tech 2 and Tech 3 classes establishing the base material cost of the ship. To this we have added the ability for us to define more precisely how much of the total material value of each ship class should be paid out. Our intention is that we can make certain ship classes pay out much less, some closer to the full value.
I love getting 800k insurance for a Tech2 frig, and even insuring my T3 ship feels like an insult. I'm REALLY sure that's based on Market prices, let me tell you.
Originally by: Oveur
No, I was just kidding, I take it all back.
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le bamba
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Posted - 2010.05.30 08:11:00 -
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x
also awesome for solo/small gang work, will even more disappear as it was before patch. nobody likes to loose isk. so even more blob in lowsec :(
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