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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 11:04:00 - [1] Originally by: Lone Provider TBH, if this isn't done I will quit, I see no point spending my RL time and effort to achieve a certain position and strive towards something that will probably get nerfed in future expansions. So no more MMO:s for you ever, then? Quote: This is a GAME and is supposed to be FUN, not upset subscribers! If such a small change is all that sits between the game being fun and not being fun, I'm guessing that you're not actually having fun to begin with. In addition, if somehow this reduces the fun you have with running missions (which makes no sense, I suppose ù it would have to be the trading aspect of the game that is fun for you) then maybe you should take the opportunity to try something else? Quote: An expansion is supposed to expand the game, not decrease it! More things than missions become viable pass-times because said missions no longer encroach on those other activities = expanded. Quote: I think this was completely reckless No, it was very well thought-through and much needed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 12:31:00 - [2] Edited by: Tippia on 29/05/2010 12:32:37 Originally by: beautyispain Those changes suck beyond belief and are obviously the result of CCP staff's own opinion of missionrunners and highsec carebears. Funnily enough, it was exactly for the benefit of highsec carebears that these changes were implemented, and if this is "beyond belief" as far as suckitude goes, I'd say you have a very limited imagination Originally by: Tamahra this is actually what makes people more than upset and makes them unable to be arsed to login. when they have spent billions and months of training for the rattlesnake, and then POOOOF it suddenly becomes useless. Good thing that the rattlesnake is just as good as ever, then, and that it's now h-h-hawt-looking as well. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 13:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Dztrgovac First, to get to mythical 75 million per hour you need best faction fitted faction ships, top social skill etc, very high SP if you are flying a marauder and so on. A tiny fraction of all high sec mission runners were the "70 million per hour" crowd. "Normal" mission runner that alt tabs or chats during mission is looking at 15-25 million per hour at best. Better then high sec mining and that's about it. Well that's inflation for you. It used to be that it was the "mythical 50M+" ù or hell, even the "mythical 25M+" back when I started ù and the supposed norm was somewhere in the 10û15M area. Quote: High sec L5s were a clear bug and exploit and yes, there was a real conspiracy of silence. Conspiracy of silence as in "everyone knew how to do it and there were multiple threads both asking and describing how it was done"? Pretty lousy conspiracy, I must say. Quote: And yet, some people live in illusion that if they cry enough CCP will make it so that endless streams of faction fit CNRs and Golems start slowly marching trough low sec gates. Just like some people live in the illusion that CCP will let them earn just as much in the near-complete safety of highsec as they would do in low- and nullsec if they could be bothered to cut out a slice of it to call their own. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 14:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Goose99 It's the food chain, you're at the top, carebears at the bottom, any gimp to carebears is gimp to all, you just haven't felt it yet. Not really. Any gimp to the ISK faucet is a gimp to all ù the loot change does not change the amount of ISK fed into the system. Yes, if people stop running missions, then it'll be reduced, but if anything, this change only means that more ISK is being produced so the loss of a few shouldn't matter much. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 17:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Tippia on 29/05/2010 17:12:37 Originally by: Dungheap what's your source for those % ? He (and others) have collected them over a long period of time. Dig a couple of pages down through this subforum or go to eve-search to have a look at the various L4 statistics threads. Originally by: Goose99 This is false. Prove it. He has actual data on his side; you have nothing. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 17:19:00 - [6] Originally by: nugget906 Those percentages aren't even close unless it's Gruistas with their horrible loot and salvage. Even then it's stretching it. Anyone who's ever ran lvl4 missions can tell right away. You have actual data to support this, I take it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Zuretul And 30% of your income is your imaginary LP income done by imaginary elfs. What? You don't get LP for your missions? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Zuretul He just pulled off the LP income from his tiny little head and then started the crusade in the forums. You have proof of this, I take it? Especially since what he quotes isn't out of the ordinary or particularly spectacular. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.29 21:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Zuretul Go his original tread, pull of his 'stats' to excel and see how there isn't anything to back up his imaginary LP income. You mean apart from how it matches what you get from running those missions? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Kerfira Your kind of math puzzles me.... and would puzzle anyone with even limited knowledge of real math... [à] For the same amount of work you get around 1/3rd less loot, and the same amount of salvage... For your information, that is not 80% (I would suggest you stop talking math until you get to 8th grade at least) What's puzzling you is the missing tidbit that he doesn't actually get any bounties, LP, or mission rewards, since he's a ninja-looter/salvager. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.30 18:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Goose99 There are 0.5 systems like Scheenins with high quality agents that are not direct neighbors to lowsec. Those tend to be for non-mainstream npc corps at out-of-the-way places. àor with the best-quality agent in highsec, employing for one of the more popular NPC corps very close to Jita and the Jita-Amarr pipeline. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Andra Zeit How about ratting in deep 0.0 home lands? Never seen player enemies.. zero risk, but full pay? Something wrong with the "holy" risk-reward? You can't be ousted from highsec; you can from nullsec. So no, working as intended. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Entgo Ditumi The point is that even if these percentages are accurate, they will change with the agent quality, pirate faction, and skils/techniques of the the pilot running the mission. This isn't something that needs to be proven with "actual data." It's just commonsense. No, the point is that the whiners are throwing around assertions without any shred of evidence, and when people come around and question those assertions with facts, they get attacked for it. If the whiners want to make those assertions, they need to back them up, otherwise they're just a bunch of clueless windbags. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 09:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Ghost Wisperer How does it feel to spend countless arse-hours doing nothing listening to some jerks on teamspeak ? Oh the thrill of waiting for login command, excitement of shooting the pos, joy of getting up at 4 am to defend a pos. Dont be jealous of other people playing their own game instead of being slaves to some overweight student ~ Ah the voice of no experience. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 10:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Ghost Wisperer I believe you dont have to eat cow excrements to have opinion about its taste. For opinions, no. For experience, understanding, insights, and something resembling facts, yes. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 10:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Ghost Wisperer Gosh mate, If i were you i would not be posting such things in public forum. Coprophagy is a perversion. àand being in a 0.0-alliance is not. This means that you can actually try it and have something more than opinion about it, whereas cowdung will have to remain on an opnion level of knowledge. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Ghost Wisperer I wont be taking any advice from a person who openly admits that he's eating cowdung. ~ Fine by me. You might want to listen to my advice, though. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Goose99 Don't be an idiot. Who do you think buys deadspace mods from you(and me)? Pvpers and lowsec missioners don't use pimpboats. àunless they fly a (super)capship. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Goose99 Yeah, all those moms are gonna fill the gap. They're like... everywhere. Now that would be a boost to mining. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.03 09:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Zuretul Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha It was a "give an idea" number, it'll take months before some Kerfira-alike guy who loves to take precise accounts will post the actual statistically relevant amounts. Wich are wrong since that dude pulls the LP income from tinfoilhat. If he did, they wouldn't be as accurate as they are. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.14 09:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Any L4 mission can result in a multi-billion ISK loss and there are dozens of ways this can happen - not even factoring in suicide ganks - so who risks more what when why and where? The miner. Really, if you've sunk multiple billions into your mission-running setup, then the chances of losing it outside of a gank are nil unless you're thoroughly incompetentà but then that's the same kind of risk an incompetent miner would face with the same level of equipment. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.14 10:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Malcanis So yeah now I'm thinking of getting a machariel so I wont keep rejecting AE 4 (angels are kind of dull to kill with a Nightmare). Do 800mm ACs work pretty well or do I need arty? My HAM Gila has no range problems in AE4; 800mm ACs outrange it by farà àso yeah. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

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