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Terrible Karma	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Terrible Karma on 30/05/2010 20:35:06 I'm looking for advice on what to do about war dec's. Our corp. has been the victim of frequent war dec's. We are not a large PvP corp. and have a number of new players. The bottom line is that we simply cannot fight back effectively and cannot afford to hire mercs (hiring mercs doesn't end a war anyhow). At this point, it looks like moving to an NPC corp. is the only real 'solution'. Nevertheless, I figured it was worthwhile asking if there are better solutions. Reply to Suggestions: Ehranavaar: Joining an alliance may help, but we've been dec'd by alliances. 50m isk clearly not much of a loss to older player groups. Yes, this is an alt.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:30:00 - [2] may i suggest scrounging up the isk to form an alliance. you could also seek out an alliance to join. either way you will see that the cost of a war dec against your alliance jumps to 50 million from 2 million against your corp. this tends to reduce the number of decs substantially.
Commander Cross Costolle Military Assistance Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.30 20:49:00 - [3] How large is your corp? Why are you atracting war decs? Do you advertise often for noob pvp training or some sort of noob service that is saying "easy greifing to be had"? do your members talk in local and draw attention to themselfs? you may simply try relocating to a differant region of space once you figure out why your attracting attention. Once you are out of a region and have fixed your issues of being targetted none of the local greifers will know to take a look at you. Hiring mercs wont end a dec from greifers but if they are looking for easy kills Mercs often providing the targeting hardening you need to avoid them engaging. But if its not the same guys everytime then you would need to hire mercs everytime. C-MAC is currently recruiting PVP pilots. Check out our forums: Here
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:00:00 - [4] There's probably something about your corp that's attracting the wardecs. When I'm looking for targets, generally something said in local or on the forums will attract my attention to the corp: - Emotional response to an event they were displeased about, especially an event they could have prevented. Insulting a ninja salvager in their mission, ranting about contract spammers, complaining about suicide ganks, etc. - Bad smack and/or threats they might not be able to backup. Nothing like posting the chatlogs of them claiming they'll take your entire corp with their lolfit drake of doom right after you've solo'd said drake with a thorax. - Bragging about something expensive that would be worth ransoming or killing. +5 implants, faction fit mission ship, research POS making billions of isk a month. Once I notice that, I'll check into the corp to see if it's even worth going into the planning stage. Here's what I look for in a corp: - Keywords in the corp description such as "industry", "mining", "antipirate", "nrds", "mission runners", etc. - Killboard with really bad losses. failfits, expensive fits, or losses that shouldn't have happened. - anything about POS's or POS access - anything that I might be able to prove them wrong about, e.g. "we're an elite pvp corp", "we don't take this game seriously", "we never pay ransoms" etc. etc. - enough active members to last me at least a week (different TZs are optimal so I don't need to deal with them all at once) If you want, message me your corp info ingame. I can take a look at it and tell you if there's anything you could change about it to make it a less appealing target to the highsec wardec crowd.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Dian'h Might If you want, message me your corp info ingame. I can take a look at it and tell you if there's anything you could change about it to make it a less appealing target to the highsec wardec crowd. I like your style! Ifly
Terrible Karma	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Ifly Uwalk Originally by: Dian'h Might If you want, message me your corp info ingame. I can take a look at it and tell you if there's anything you could change about it to make it a less appealing target to the highsec wardec crowd. I like your style! Ifly In his/her defense, it would make little sense to war dec. us when noone in the corp. logs in due to recent wars.
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Terrible Karma In his/her defense, it would make little sense to war dec. us when noone in the corp. logs in due to recent wars. You're correct, I'm really not interested in wardeccing a corp with several decs against it already, thats why I offered help. Originally by: Terrible Karma However, according to your list, many of the non-PvP activities that make a player run corp. desirable attract war dec's. If we were to stop all of these things it would make sense to simply move to NPC corps. You don't need to stop doing them (except for during a wardec, mining barge kills are awesome), just don't advertise that you do them in your corp description.
Bomberlocks Minmatar Star Bombers	Posted - 2010.05.30 22:32:00 - [8] What you could also do is setup a corp hopping op. Get your second or third account char to train corp ceo, and get your corp mates to do same. Then, when wardec comes in, set up a holding corp, leave your nub 3rd character holding your main corp and you and your mates all jump to new holding corp. A seasoned deccer will then just wardec the new corp whereupon you all jump ship to yet another holding corp. Repeat ad nauseam until the deccers get bored and leave. If they really hate you, they might follow you across dozens of temp holding corps, but most will just drop it after a while. Alternatively, join FW and go and learn to pvp. Any highsec wardeccer following you into FW losec will soon have other problems to contend with (FW pilots will jump at the chance for an easy to find fight, especially if you play bait).
Grikath SWARTA Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.05.30 23:20:00 - [9] Ultimately, getting rid of griefer decs comes down to not making it worth their while, and that simply involves training for at least a moderate level of pvp. Highsec is safe-ish but even a Carebear must be able to shed his fur occasionally and bite back when needed. As you already noticed, being in an alliance in and of itself is no guarantee for safety, since there's plenty of people able and willing to shell out ISK just because they're "bored" and decide to bottomfeed for teh Lulz. The only way to limit that is to ensure that you are not an "easy target". And as the old saying goes, that starts with HTFU, and spending a month or two actually training basic ship and weapon skills for everyone in corp, and practice some basic pvp skills. The moaning and *****ing at the start is epic, but in the end people will see results.
Lithalnas Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.31 00:46:00 - [10] You could join privateers, learn to pvp and enjoy eve. And it should be noted that we always enjoy more wars. Might cost you 50 mil isk a week. -------------

Nonexistent Face	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp and enjoy eve. And it should be noted that we always enjoy more wars. Might cost you 50 mil isk a week. I want to learn how to camp Amarr's Emperor Family Station all day and kill people who take stuff from my cans. Something tells me your corporation/alliance is quite adept at this activity.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp Wait what? Since when have ANY of the privs pilots known how to PvP.. If you learnt how to PvP and then joined Privs, you'd be almost running the joint within a week..
ImJusta FriendlyOldGuy	Posted - 2010.05.31 06:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp Wait what? Since when have ANY of the privs pilots known how to PvP.. If you learnt how to PvP and then joined Privs, you'd be almost running the joint within a week.. This thread is now about how much privateers suck
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.05.31 06:15:00 - [14] Originally by: ImJusta FriendlyOldGuy Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp Wait what? Since when have ANY of the privs pilots known how to PvP.. If you learnt how to PvP and then joined Privs, you'd be almost running the joint within a week.. This thread is now about how much privateers suck Every thread is always about that..
SFX Bladerunner Minmatar Bite me inc.	Posted - 2010.05.31 13:58:00 - [15] Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 31/05/2010 14:04:50 Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: ImJusta FriendlyOldGuy Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp Wait what? Since when have ANY of the privs pilots known how to PvP.. If you learnt how to PvP and then joined Privs, you'd be almost running the joint within a week.. This thread is now about how much privateers suck Every thread is always about that.. That, or Lana's opinion on everything ON TOPIC EDIT: As some people have stated before, there are many things that could attract decs. Just be wary though, once you reach the point of several PVP corps having you 'bookmarked' as easy and fun prey after a successfull wardec or 2 (on their behalf) you reach a point where you are too well known with too many pvp entities and they WILL keep wardeccing you so once you reach that point there is really nothing else to do but to hop corp to a new one or go completely silent for a while to sit out the heat. Depending on your size of operations recruiting 1 - 3 experienced PVP pilots might significantly help you. It is my opinion that even though a corporation might be mining/industry only, one should always have at least 1 person in corp knowledgable about the PVP aspects of EVE that can function as an advisor to prevent 'unwanted pvp'. Having at least 1 - 3 capable pvp pilots also helps a great deal in scaring away the <10 ppl PVP empire corporations looking for easy griefing. A corp full of just hulks is easy prey to ANYONE, a corp full of hulks with 3 capable pvp pilots that could sit cloaked/on standby during mining/industry operations is a completely different story. Ideally you want pvpers that also love mining/industry, or they will get bored fast and 'look for trouble' themselves which might attract unwanted attention to your corporation. __________________________________________________ History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever..
Ishtar Terra	Posted - 2010.05.31 23:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Dian'h Might There's probably something about your corp that's attracting the wardecs. When I'm looking for targets, generally something said in local or on the forums will attract my attention to the corp: - Emotional response to an event they were displeased about, especially an event they could have prevented. Insulting a ninja salvager in their mission, ranting about contract spammers, complaining about suicide ganks, etc. - Bad smack and/or threats they might not be able to backup. Nothing like posting the chatlogs of them claiming they'll take your entire corp with their lolfit drake of doom right after you've solo'd said drake with a thorax. - Bragging about something expensive that would be worth ransoming or killing. +5 implants, faction fit mission ship, research POS making billions of isk a month. Once I notice that, I'll check into the corp to see if it's even worth going into the planning stage. Here's what I look for in a corp: - Keywords in the corp description such as "industry", "mining", "antipirate", "nrds", "mission runners", etc. - Killboard with really bad losses. failfits, expensive fits, or losses that shouldn't have happened. - anything about POS's or POS access - anything that I might be able to prove them wrong about, e.g. "we're an elite pvp corp", "we don't take this game seriously", "we never pay ransoms" etc. etc. - enough active members to last me at least a week (different TZs are optimal so I don't need to deal with them all at once) If you want, message me your corp info ingame. I can take a look at it and tell you if there's anything you could change about it to make it a less appealing target to the highsec wardec crowd. Is this for real? The social aspect of this game is insanely complicated. So let me get this straight, when I join a corp, not only should I never talk smack to anyone ever, or talk about how much ISK I have, what ships, and what implants, I have to make sure none of my corp mates do, either. This is la cosa nostra paranoia right here. I thinks I like it...
Orar Ironfist Resonance.	Posted - 2010.05.31 23:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Ishtar Terra Is this for real? The social aspect of this game is insanely complicated. So let me get this straight, when I join a corp, not only should I never talk smack to anyone ever, or talk about how much ISK I have, what ships, and what implants, I have to make sure none of my corp mates do, either. This is la cosa nostra paranoia right here. I thinks I like it... you can talk smack if you can back it up or its gonna get passed around the wardec community that your easy kills and then you can enjoy the almost perma wardec lol
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.01 01:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Marko Riva on 01/06/2010 01:33:20 Originally by: Ishtar Terra Is this for real? The social aspect of this game is insanely complicated. So let me get this straight, when I join a corp, not only should I never talk smack to anyone ever, or talk about how much ISK I have, what ships, and what implants, I have to make sure none of my corp mates do, either. This is la cosa nostra paranoia right here. I thinks I like it... If one is unwilling to prepare for war, he should probably stay real quiet and not attract any attention whatsoever. If you do want to open your mouth (and get away with it) then the corp should be able to defend itself. Being able to fend off heynas is a choice, not even so much an SP choice but rather one of preparation and knowledge. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Dian'h Might Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.01 05:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Ishtar Terra Is this for real? It's how I find most of my targets. But please note that I don't wardec them just because they smacktalked or said they have lots of isk, that only attracts my initial attention. After I notice the corp I'll do some research and see if it actually would be a good target, only then will I actually dec them. Originally by: Ishtar Terra The social aspect of this game is insanely complicated. Thats why a lot of us play it Originally by: Ishtar Terra So let me get this straight, when I join a corp, not only should I never talk smack to anyone ever, or talk about how much ISK I have, what ships, and what implants, I have to make sure none of my corp mates do, either. This is la cosa nostra paranoia right here. Smacktalk that you can backup (or at least make people think you can backup) is fine. It's when you start telling someone you'll log your main that can fly titans after they take down your comedy fit mission battleship with a cruiser that you start to get in trouble. Talking about how much isk you have is fine, just don't go bragging about it as if it's important to you. Same goes for implants of the +5 variety.
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2010.06.01 07:59:00 - [20] Mailed you're alt

Dark Lightening	Posted - 2010.06.02 00:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Lithalnas You could join privateers, learn to pvp and enjoy eve. And it should be noted that we always enjoy more wars. Might cost you 50 mil isk a week. Funniest part of this thread is privateers claiming to be good at PVP. Catching loan ships at the Jita undock isn't what I call being good at PVP even if you get lots of kills from it.
Argo Pyxis	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Dian'h Might Originally by: Ishtar Terra Is this for real? It's how I find most of my targets. But please note that I don't wardec them just because they smacktalked or said they have lots of isk, that only attracts my initial attention. After I notice the corp I'll do some research and see if it actually would be a good target, only then will I actually dec them. More to Dian'h's point, there's a good story up at eve-pirate.com about a war that began with just this sort of thing.
Boran Tisk The Hawk Bats	Posted - 2010.06.02 22:37:00 - [23] Veratue?
Fore Khaos	Posted - 2010.06.02 23:34:00 - [24] Likely they know where you keep your valuable stuff and run your missions/mine. Move 10-15 jumps away, don't feed them kills (tell this to that guy in your corp who keeps losing battleships trying to fight solo), and it'll stop. In general, don't base out of trade hubs, get to know people before you let them into your corp, and if all else fails, move to low or nullsec, war dec'rs do what they do because they're L-A-Z-Y or vengeful nerds and want easy kills with possible high-payouts from inexperienced players. I set my corp's HQ to Amamake, never got dec'd. I'm posting on an alt and saying what I want about anyone out there and I'll never get dec'd. HELLO I AM THE CEO OF A JITA-BASED MINING AND INDUSTRY CORP AND I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT PANDEMIC LEGION, PRIVATEER ALLIANCE AND WHATEVER'S LEFT OF THE GOONS ALL PLAY HELLOKITTYONLINE AND WORLD OF WARCRAFT! AND THEY SUCK AT IT!
Raelyf The Bastards	Posted - 2010.06.03 03:13:00 - [25] Two options really: 1) Dock up as soon as you see one in local. Make sure they never get any kills. Bore the **** out of them, so that it's just not worth their while. Unfortunately, your guys may find this more boring than the enemies'. 2) T1 cruiser gangs! Get as many corp mates as you can, stick them in t1 ships with t1 fits, insure them, and go gank some WTs. It doesn't matter if you lose all your fights, because the cost to you is like 1mil isk per cruiser - all you need to do is tear down something shiny of theirs once in awhile and you'll come out ahead. Start fights by primarying fragile expensive things, and just avoid them when they bring ships heavy enough that you won't be able to make a quick gank (like BS gangs). This may backlash and turn out to be fun for your opponents if they're the type who don't make their living from pvp or buy isk or something, but at least it'll be fun for your guys too.


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