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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1011
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:30:00 -
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Can't tell if trolling...
... Or merely dumbass. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:49:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote:solo pvp is overpowerd
did you know tat one guy in a kestrel can kill someone in a battleship because apparantly they can. a battleship in the real world has lots of point defenses and stuff that let it protect itself from the small ships but in eve my battlesjip has no defense against anythng smaller than a battleship!
if akestrel can kill a raven then something is really wrong wth the game because in every other game you cant be killed by people who are a lowr level than you. kestrel is a frigate and frigates are low level ships for new players so why can a kestrel beat a raven I ask you?
i think that there is a fatal balance issue in this game.
Sorry, the problem is not the Kestrel but the awful Raven pilot.
Lately this week saw some full officer fitted Vindicator kill mail killed by a cruiser, again this idiot could perfectly full officer fit his Vindicator with railguns (not the best choice) not fit a single officer web and couldn't afford to put rigs on that Vindicator, even T1 rigs.
Your Raven has a drone bay, why couldn't you just fit ECM drones gtfo and get back with something pvp fitted to spank his ass? Probably because you thought that bigger is better, this is so wrong.
brb |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.15 09:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:I wonder how the Kestrel managed to get through the ravens tank.
Also, what does this have to do with solo? OPs problem relates purely to ship sizes...
Otherwise yes - BS could use a little love, with all the new ship classes and everything around them getting buffed, they tend to get the **** end of the stick way too often... Yeah I do wonder.. maybe it caught someone with rats beating on them? I'd love to see a kill with something like an Ibis soloing someone with t2 blasters.
Officer fitted Velator spits 200dps !!  brb |

Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1143
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:01:00 -
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The problem with solo pvp is that the raven pilot forgot to use a falcon alt. Really, how are you even supposed to solo pvp without them? -.- |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
494
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:23:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:The problem with solo pvp is that the raven pilot forgot to use a falcon alt. Really, how are you even supposed to solo pvp without them?
By flying everywhere else than high sec. Doesn't mean low/null people don't use alts but those are probably sitting at the POS
All OP has to do it spot those alts, buy a couple ships and wait, once they engage someone gank them or simply jam them with a cheapo throwaway T1 cruiser (gank hem is better because usually those dudes are risk averse so they will move on to some other place)
brb |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1980
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:29:00 -
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Torvin Yulus wrote: i think that there is a fatal balance issue in this game.
Actually, a game where a small ship counters a large one, which counters medium ones, who in turn counter small ones, is very nicely balanced. You seem to think larger ships should just be better. That is the very definition of imbalanced.
Big guns for big targets. If a battleship could reliably deal with a frigate, then what would the point of frigates be? Shooting other frigates in a willfully handicapped playstyle? That's plain stupid.
Every ship in EVE has its place. Every ship in EVE is hopelessly vulnerable in at least one situation. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1633
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Posted - 2012.07.15 10:59:00 -
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Xython wrote:Can't tell if trolling...
... Or merely dumbass. I'm going with the latter. |

Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
1143
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:03:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:The problem with solo pvp is that the raven pilot forgot to use a falcon alt. Really, how are you even supposed to solo pvp without them? By flying everywhere else than high sec. Doesn't mean low/null people don't use alts but those are probably sitting at the POS All OP has to do it spot those alts, buy a couple ships and wait, once they engage someone gank them or simply jam them with a cheapo throwaway T1 cruiser (gank hem is better because usually those dudes are risk averse so they will move on to some other place)
Uhm..yeah. Thanks for that elaborate answer, Ms. Borovskova.
I am terribly sorry that I always tend to forget how difficult it is to deliver sarcasm over the internet.
Just for the records, wehenver I am saying something incredibly stupid, I am either a. being sarcastic b. failing at being sarcastic c. just dumb e. failing at trolling d. drunk f. just crying for attention because my parents didn't let me keep that puppy when I was little g. any combination of a-f
-.- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1192
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:04:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Torvin Yulus wrote: i think that there is a fatal balance issue in this game.
Actually, a game where a small ship counters a large one, which counters medium ones, who in turn counter small ones, is very nicely balanced. You seem to think larger ships should just be better. That is the very definition of imbalanced. Big guns for big targets. If a battleship could reliably deal with a frigate, then what would the point of frigates be? Shooting other frigates in a willfully handicapped playstyle? That's plain stupid. Every ship in EVE has its place. Every ship in EVE is hopelessly vulnerable in at least one situation. Titans are different as they are pretty rare, remember.
A coalition might have as many as 50 to 100 titans to call up. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

WonkySplitDemon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:05:00 -
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I agree that frigates are not "noob ships" as the OP says. It just so happens that newbies start in frigates. I fly them all the time, frigates are very effective in pvp, especially against bigger, slower targets in swarms. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
496
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:06:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:The problem with solo pvp is that the raven pilot forgot to use a falcon alt. Really, how are you even supposed to solo pvp without them? By flying everywhere else than high sec. Doesn't mean low/null people don't use alts but those are probably sitting at the POS All OP has to do it spot those alts, buy a couple ships and wait, once they engage someone gank them or simply jam them with a cheapo throwaway T1 cruiser (gank hem is better because usually those dudes are risk averse so they will move on to some other place) Uhm..yeah. Thanks for that elaborate answer, Ms. Borovskova. I am terribly sorry that I always tend to forget how difficult it is to deliver sarcasm over the internet. Just for the records, wehenver I am saying something incredibly stupid, I am either a. being sarcastic b. failing at being sarcastic c. just dumb e. failing at trolling d. drunk f. just crying for attention because my parents didn't let me keep that puppy when I was little g. any combination of a-f
Me too sarcasm fan (and I did got it but was more about answering OP) 
Edit: the combination from a. to g. gives us a pro troll  brb |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1980
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:12:00 -
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WonkySplitDemon wrote:I agree that frigates are not "noob ships" as the OP says. It just so happens that newbies start in frigates. I fly them all the time, frigates are very effective in pvp, especially against bigger, slower targets in swarms.
Frigates are the least vulnerable ship class, as they are the only one that has the option to run away from a losing fight with a reasonable chance of success. The price for that mobility is extreme vulnerability to pilot error - fly straight at someone with your MWD blazing and you're space dust in an instant.
Honestly, battleships are terrible solo ships due to their extreme sluggishness. They work best in gangs and fleets, where their weaknesses can be compensated for by support, and their strengths get to shine. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
240
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:17:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Frigates are the least vulnerable ship class, as they are the only one that has the option to run away from a losing fight with a reasonable chance of success. apparently TEST doesn't run any nano gangs  |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1981
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:19:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Frigates are the least vulnerable ship class, as they are the only one that has the option to run away from a losing fight with a reasonable chance of success. apparently TEST doesn't run any nano gangs 
even the most agile cruisers and up are not even close to the mobility of a fast, dual propping frigate. get a full tackle on a cynabal, and it is forced to deal with the tackling frigate. the hard part is actually landing the tackle. as for a tackled frigate - many can still slip away quite easily. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Makkz
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
8
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Posted - 2012.07.15 11:23:00 -
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More importantly its midway through page 3 and i think your now trolling each other... |

Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:43:00 -
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Kisumii wrote:Frigates are low level? Ive been playing this game 6 years and still use frigs every day. Its not the game thats broken, its you.
i've been playing this game for just under 3 years and i fly frigates every time i log on. why? because they're fun! OP, you just don't know what you're talking about. go back to wow where you can log onto your 85 main and kill level 15 players to bump up your self esteem.
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