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Grayrock Gallente THE VALKYRIES Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:57:00 - [1] Do you think CCP will ever release there E-ON Magazine for the iPad? I love the magazine but I live in the US and the shipping kills me. -- Grayrock Why is is a penny for your thoughts but you got to put your two cents in...
Myth Al'kar Blueprint Haus Empire Vacation Home	Posted - 2010.06.01 22:14:00 - [2] Hope not cause then I'd have to buy it, or any iPad related eve stuff.
Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:04:00 - [3] Please for the love of God, don't encourage people to develop for that crap. --- DesuSigs
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.06.01 23:46:00 - [4] I... Wha... Did you just suggest that, instead of selling an electronic version of E-ON in .pdf or some other format that is used in absolutely everything (including people's PCs)... That they should make a version exclusive to the overpriced, ****ty netbook without USB ports or flash?
Nefrin Maldoes Minmatar Outer Rim Survey and Salvage	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Kahega Amielden I... Wha... Did you just suggest that, instead of selling an electronic version of E-ON in .pdf or some other format that is used in absolutely everything (including people's PCs)... That they should make a version exclusive to the overpriced, **ty netbook without USB ports or flash? Yes. Yes he did. Originally by:** CCP Shadow Cool! Thanks for linking to this re-purposed homage, Nefrin. -- Shadow
rofflesausage	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Nefrin Maldoes Originally by: Kahega Amielden I... Wha... Did you just suggest that, instead of selling an electronic version of E-ON in .pdf or some other format that is used in absolutely everything (including people's PCs)... That they should make a version exclusive to the overpriced, ****ty netbook without USB ports or flash? Yes. Yes he did. Everytime I see something like this, I admire (and at the same time hate) what Apple has done. It doesn't matter if the OP is a mac user or not, but the fact that people are now in this mindset is worrying.
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.06.02 18:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Kahega Amielden I... Did you just suggest that, instead of selling an electronic version of E-ON in .pdf or some other format that is used in absolutely everything (including people's PCs)... While i like pdf and would like this option (Gutenberg ftw), did you just suggest a for-profit business create a PDF and rely on the honesty and integrity of EVE players to make money? orly???? EvE players??? Since I am quitting the game, if CCP sends me an issue I'll immediately mail them twice as many back! Devices like the Kindle and media portion of the iPad not exist because publishers did not know how to make electronic content, it is because they did not know how to get paid for their content. This iPad ridicule would be mostly justified in one of the "EVE client on iPad" threads. Not completely since 1) once you can do all the non pewpew via EVE Gate, you can do that on an iPad. and 2) planning ahead, in 5 or 6 years the iPad will be faster than the typical computer today. 3) there is the cloud/streaming Beta out already. However, reading when you are away from your desk is something these sort of devices do quite well, and in general better than a lap top. Many people don't read newspapers or magazine and many don't read electronic versions, but iPad is a very reasonable place for a magazine to be sold. EVE isn't well known so perhaps just the free PR and notice of being in the iTunes store could pay for the minimal production cost. Originally by: rofflesausage Everytime I see something like this, I admire (and at the same time hate) what Apple has done. It doesn't matter if the OP is a mac user or not, but the fact that people are now in this mindset is worrying. Yeah. But most of the reasons why Apple is now bigger than Microsoft are positive. Still, I hope Android gets about 20% market share since that will make my iPhone better.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:48:00 - [8] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 02/06/2010 20:49:43 Quote: While i like pdf and would like this option (Gutenberg ftw), did you just suggest a for-profit business create a PDF and rely on the honesty and integrity of EVE players to make money? orly???? EvE players??? Since I am quitting the game, if CCP sends me an issue I'll immediately mail them twice as many back! Devices like the Kindle and media portion of the iPad do not exist because publishers did not know how to make electronic content, rather because they did not know how to get paid for their content. fair point, but if you can design an iPad app that can stop people from redistributing E-ON then you can do the same for any device. Quote: This iPad ridicule would be mostly justified in one of the "EVE client on iPad" threads. Not completely since 1) once you can do all the non pewpew via EVE Gate, you can do that on an iPad. and 2) planning ahead, in 5 or 6 years the iPad will be faster than the typical computer today. 3) there is the cloud/streaming Beta out already. Yeah, and all that applies to every other small mobile device from smartphones to netbooks. Quote: However, reading when you are away from your desk is something these sort of devices do quite well, and in general better than a laptop. Many people don't read newspapers or magazine and many don't read electronic versions, but iPad is a very reasonable place for a magazine to be sold. EVE isn't well known so perhaps just the free PR and notice of being in the iTunes store could pay for the minimal production cost. could still just as easily be done on any platform. CCP could, for example, host it on a website and thus make it available to iPad users as well as everyone else.
RentableMuffin	Posted - 2010.06.02 23:28:00 - [9] Originally by: ChrisIsherwood Edited by: ChrisIsherwood on 02/06/2010 18:58:44 Originally by: Kahega Amielden I... Did you just suggest that, instead of selling an electronic version of E-ON in .pdf or some other format that is used in absolutely everything (including people's PCs)... While i like pdf and would like this option (Gutenberg ftw), did you just suggest a for-profit business create a PDF and rely on the honesty and integrity of EVE players to make money? orly???? EvE players??? Since I am quitting the game, if CCP sends me an issue I'll immediately mail them twice as many back! Devices like the Kindle and media portion of the iPad do not exist because publishers did not know how to make electronic content, rather because they did not know how to get paid for their content. so what stops them from scanning the mag and making their own pdf?
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.06.03 01:42:00 - [10] A free PDF downloadable to any device would be best for the users. A problem CCP has the traditional way to finance something like that is advertising and about the only people I can see who would want to sponsor/advertise in EON are CCP competitors. I am sure that if the Alienware product manager read these forums discuss his/her keyboards, he would not advertise. lol. Originally by: Kahega Amielden fair point, but if you can design an iPad app that can stop people from redistributing E-ON then you can do the same for any device. ... could still just as easily be done on any platform. CCP could, for example, host it on a website and thus make it available to iPad users as well as everyone else. I do not think so. There is a lot of infrastructure that Apple has in place. A huge advantage that Apple has leveraged extremely well is the iTunes Store. It provides registered copies, and authorized devices. Amazon/Kindle did it first for content but not apps. I'm sure it will get there for Android. Probably for the purchased-by-HP Palm family. IDK/IDC for the Zune/mobile windows7/8 ecosystem. So considering that you would have to write it differently for each device, Apple is further along, and IIRC last I saw has 98% of the phone application marketshare, a for profit business would do the Apple infrastructure first. (Although CCP does uses lolmssql so anything is possible.) Plus there are many millions of users with their credit card entered into the iTunes store, a couple of clicks away from an impulse purchase. There is some "network effect"; if everyone is developing for the Apple infrastructure, then it is easier to develop for the Apple infrastructure. Searching the books section of Amazon(US), iphone development shows 159 entries, ipad development shows 53. HP announced the Slate tablet at CES in January, and cancelled it prior to shipping. Two million iPads were sold in the first 60 days, in spite of supply constraints and it may be 10 million this year. I do not think that development managers need to spend a lot of time convincing CEOs about the viability of the iPad. If you were doing it today, I do not see how you could financially justify doing it for more than Kindle & iP*. Naturally, the publishers would prefer a cross-platform format. universal-e-books-format
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.06.03 01:58:00 - [11] Originally by: RentableMuffin so what stops them from scanning the mag and making their own pdf? A digital scan of pixels that form text (e.g. JPEGs) is not the same thing as text. In particular, when you zoom in or out, which you would do on a mobile device, scans of text look much worse than actual text resized by the Adobe renderer. Nor can you do searches. First you would need to scan each page. Then you could do OCR(optical Character Recognition) but i suspect it would be easier and quicker to just retype it. Then a Photoshop/GIMP user would have to take the pixels of the text out and then overlay it nack with a text box. if there was a large financial incentive, it could be done but not conveniently.

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