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Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.14 14:56:00 -
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it seems that either the devs dont want to restrict the modules bonus to ONE class or that the code doesnt allow it... for whatever reason...
this means that my initial idea would NOT work since it invovled different bonus/penalty for different ship classes out of the same module...
so it would NOT work that eg. the 10mn ab would give a frig + 5 000 000 kg mass while it would NOT give the cruiser a mass bonus...
but out of my view:
normal sized AB: best agility, worst speed
oversized AB: worst agility, good speed
mwd: medium agility, best speed (+ current penalties)
to achieve that I would suggest the following changes:
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
btw YES missiles (raven) will PWN for the time being... but this just confirms that we see a missile change even sooner. but none the less it should NOT prevent the devs from doing this propulsion change at all... cuz I'm really bored of the current (TQ) propulsion system... (mwd whoring)
Greetings Grim |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.14 14:56:00 -
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it seems that either the devs dont want to restrict the modules bonus to ONE class or that the code doesnt allow it... for whatever reason...
this means that my initial idea would NOT work since it invovled different bonus/penalty for different ship classes out of the same module...
so it would NOT work that eg. the 10mn ab would give a frig + 5 000 000 kg mass while it would NOT give the cruiser a mass bonus...
but out of my view:
normal sized AB: best agility, worst speed
oversized AB: worst agility, good speed
mwd: medium agility, best speed (+ current penalties)
to achieve that I would suggest the following changes:
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
btw YES missiles (raven) will PWN for the time being... but this just confirms that we see a missile change even sooner. but none the less it should NOT prevent the devs from doing this propulsion change at all... cuz I'm really bored of the current (TQ) propulsion system... (mwd whoring)
Greetings Grim |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:17:00 -
[123]
Well, good thing about this change would be...
up to now people were able to more or less live with too high sig penalty on the mwd, the inferior survability of cruisers and the 'one size pwns all' missiles thanks to the speed module stacking and performance of the oversized ABs. With this option now removed, CCP is left with no choice but to finally address these issues in some reasonable manner... if only because the amount of daily "omg all devs must be playing Caldari Raven pilots!!" threads is likely to skyrocket and finally reach the critical mass... >>;;
Transformation period before all pieces of reworked mechanics fall together in their place is going to suck, but hopefully it'll result in more interesting game in the end. ..;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:17:00 -
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Well, good thing about this change would be...
up to now people were able to more or less live with too high sig penalty on the mwd, the inferior survability of cruisers and the 'one size pwns all' missiles thanks to the speed module stacking and performance of the oversized ABs. With this option now removed, CCP is left with no choice but to finally address these issues in some reasonable manner... if only because the amount of daily "omg all devs must be playing Caldari Raven pilots!!" threads is likely to skyrocket and finally reach the critical mass... >>;;
Transformation period before all pieces of reworked mechanics fall together in their place is going to suck, but hopefully it'll result in more interesting game in the end. ..;
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:23:00 -
[125]
 Originally by: Grim Vandal
btw YES missiles (raven) will PWN for the time being... but this just confirms that we see a missile change even sooner. but none the less it should NOT prevent the devs from doing this propulsion change at all... cuz I'm really bored of the current (TQ) propulsion system... (mwd whoring)
Hmm so because you are bored of the current system anyone who is not a raven pilot can pay the next 2 month but not bother to play cause it will be rather impossible to beat a raven with anything but another raven or in ganks ?
Plus all ppl who trained up for bc and assaultcruisers can just go in a very long xmas break ?
Sounds reasonable to me....
P.S. Soon (tm) is also the projectile patch coming. something overdue for like 3 ? month, figure how long missles will take.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
btw YES missiles (raven) will PWN for the time being... but this just confirms that we see a missile change even sooner. but none the less it should NOT prevent the devs from doing this propulsion change at all... cuz I'm really bored of the current (TQ) propulsion system... (mwd whoring)
Hmm so because you are bored of the current system anyone who is not a raven pilot can pay the next 2 month but not bother to play cause it will be rather impossible to beat a raven with anything but another raven or in ganks ?
Plus all ppl who trained up for bc and assaultcruisers can just go in a very long xmas break ?
Sounds reasonable to me....
P.S. Soon (tm) is also the projectile patch coming. something overdue for like 3 ? month, figure how long missles will take.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:54:00 -
[127]
Originally by: j0sephine
if only because the amount of daily "omg all devs must be playing Caldari Raven pilots!!" threads is likely to skyrocket and finally reach the critical mass... >>;;
Curse you and your cynical optimism! 
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TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:54:00 -
[128]
Originally by: j0sephine
if only because the amount of daily "omg all devs must be playing Caldari Raven pilots!!" threads is likely to skyrocket and finally reach the critical mass... >>;;
Curse you and your cynical optimism!
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TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:56:00 -
[129]
"Curse you and your cynical optimism! "
;p
on topic-related sidenote... it seems like the inertia stabilizers work now \o/ there's noticeable difference in acceleration/deceleration of the Kestrel with two of them fitted... and the ship was able to move quite a bit faster with MWD on in 2 k orbit (1050 m/sec on average without stabilizers, 1150 or so with the modules fitted)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:56:00 -
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"Curse you and your cynical optimism! "
;p
on topic-related sidenote... it seems like the inertia stabilizers work now \o/ there's noticeable difference in acceleration/deceleration of the Kestrel with two of them fitted... and the ship was able to move quite a bit faster with MWD on in 2 k orbit (1050 m/sec on average without stabilizers, 1150 or so with the modules fitted)
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:33:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Grim Vandal
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
O_o that shall make it better than it is now?? rofl.
to accelerate to max speed with an oversized AB on a cruiser would takle longer than the action lasts.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:33:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Grim Vandal
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
O_o that shall make it better than it is now?? rofl.
to accelerate to max speed with an oversized AB on a cruiser would takle longer than the action lasts.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 18:04:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Def Antares
Originally by: Grim Vandal
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
O_o that shall make it better than it is now?? rofl.
to accelerate to max speed with an oversized AB on a cruiser would takle longer than the action lasts.
yes thats why it actually never happens and you get stuck with only a 300-400$ speedboost.
My maller with oversized ab just did 625 m/s after all my cap was cycled through from the ab, so prolly 3-4 runs.
Forget to fly anywhere bar straight as thats impossible, its like a very slow bullet flying just in 1 direction no way to change course....
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 18:04:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Def Antares
Originally by: Grim Vandal
so the mwd would look like the following:
1mn mwd: + 1 000 000 kg mass, 2 000 000 N thrust
10mn mwd: + 10 000 000 kg mass, 20 000 000 N thrust
100mn mwd: +100 000 000 kg mass, 200 000 000 N thrust
O_o that shall make it better than it is now?? rofl.
to accelerate to max speed with an oversized AB on a cruiser would takle longer than the action lasts.
yes thats why it actually never happens and you get stuck with only a 300-400$ speedboost.
My maller with oversized ab just did 625 m/s after all my cap was cycled through from the ab, so prolly 3-4 runs.
Forget to fly anywhere bar straight as thats impossible, its like a very slow bullet flying just in 1 direction no way to change course....
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.12.14 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
on topic-related sidenote... it seems like the inertia stabilizers work now \o/ there's noticeable difference in acceleration/deceleration of the Kestrel with two of them fitted...
Hot Diggity! It's about time. Inert Stabs were ranking up there with damage controls on "why is this wasting DB space" land.
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TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.12.14 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
on topic-related sidenote... it seems like the inertia stabilizers work now \o/ there's noticeable difference in acceleration/deceleration of the Kestrel with two of them fitted...
Hot Diggity! It's about time. Inert Stabs were ranking up there with damage controls on "why is this wasting DB space" land.
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TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.14 20:10:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Grim Vandal on 14/12/2004 20:29:12
test server starting up with another new build: 3106
in 250 secs
lets hope they changed it even further
edit: nope nothing changed 
its prolly staying the way it is...
and 90% of all ships will fit a mwd... wohoooo 
Greetings Grim |
Grim Vandal
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Posted - 2004.12.14 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Vandal on 14/12/2004 20:29:12
test server starting up with another new build: 3106
in 250 secs
lets hope they changed it even further
edit: nope nothing changed
its prolly staying the way it is...
and 90% of all ships will fit a mwd... wohoooo
Greetings Grim |
Deovina
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Posted - 2004.12.14 20:51:00 -
[139]
Is it possible to use 1 mwd (1mn) and one ab (1nm)
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Deovina
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Posted - 2004.12.14 20:51:00 -
[140]
Is it possible to use 1 mwd (1mn) and one ab (1nm)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.15 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 15/12/2004 04:04:41
Grim?
Told you so.
"same" AB's are pointless. "oversized" AB's are nearly so. MWD's are...okay
Goodbye cruisers and some missile frigate setups.
Happy now?
bluntly, these changes suck. I'm tired of reposting my suggestion - I'm sure the devs know what it us
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.15 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 15/12/2004 04:04:41
Grim?
Told you so.
"same" AB's are pointless. "oversized" AB's are nearly so. MWD's are...okay
Goodbye cruisers and some missile frigate setups.
Happy now?
bluntly, these changes suck. I'm tired of reposting my suggestion - I'm sure the devs know what it us
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.12.15 06:51:00 -
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Well, I did dislike the whole 4kms cruiser that cant be killed thing. Should be an interesting change to say the least.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2004.12.15 06:51:00 -
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Well, I did dislike the whole 4kms cruiser that cant be killed thing. Should be an interesting change to say the least.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:28:00 -
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Yep, we're back to "cruisers are suicidal". Woo.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:28:00 -
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Yep, we're back to "cruisers are suicidal". Woo.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Nervar
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:07:00 -
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Im to lazy to logg on to test.
So what the effects on BS's what kind of speeds are we talking about on lets say Megathrong and Tempest?
And does it take forever to go fast enough to make the AB's viable on close range setups?
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:07:00 -
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Im to lazy to logg on to test.
So what the effects on BS's what kind of speeds are we talking about on lets say Megathrong and Tempest?
And does it take forever to go fast enough to make the AB's viable on close range setups?
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:36:00 -
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My main questions is why is it being left to the players to make these posts with their findings ?
This sort of radical changes ie Propulsion and Missle tweaking should be communicated to us by a Dev like it used to be.
Keep doing these great posts though because I dont have time or willingness to spend time on the test server but you gotta wonder why we arent informed of the next huge balance swing
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:36:00 -
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My main questions is why is it being left to the players to make these posts with their findings ?
This sort of radical changes ie Propulsion and Missle tweaking should be communicated to us by a Dev like it used to be.
Keep doing these great posts though because I dont have time or willingness to spend time on the test server but you gotta wonder why we arent informed of the next huge balance swing
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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