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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.04 04:57:00 -
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Besides the obvious comedy concerning PI and the POS modules etc. there really hasn't been any major game changing additions with the advent of Tyrannis. Scorpion prices spiked sharply as everyone was overjoyed to be flying a good looking ship for once, but other than that it's been business as usual (save a few nerfs to pirates here and there).
So now most of the conversation amongst the various circles I travel in has turned towards 'what's next?' and indeed, I think it merits some discussion.
Since having waited almost half a year for a lightweight 'expansion' (lightweight in terms of new game developments affecting the core of Eve gameplay) we're left anxiously awaiting the new developments that will come yet again a half a year away. It's almost as if it feels like (to some of us) that we're going to have to wait a full year before we get a real expansion.
Most of the players I've talked to are concerned about what will be included in the next major expansion this winter, and indeed if we'll see one at all this winter vis a vis having it pushed into February or March of next year as schedules slip like they usually do. Quite a few have expressed worry that the next 'expansion' will be focused on integrating Dust with Eve and that the entire thing will be focused on that and will add little to the game that Eve players will actually be interested in.
The number of things that CCP could work on to improve the game is inexhaustible without adding anything from Dust to the list. You'd think that CCP would be able to pick from a wide variety of issues to address and be able to fill the next five expansions simply fixing existing problems and improving existing systems.
So to the rest of you: care to offer your opinions on what we'll see in this coming winter expansion? Or lack there of? Think CCP will listen to the player base or just ignore it completely and do whatever they were going to do anyway?
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 Originally by: Bellum Eternus
That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust.
Bellum Eternus
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Arthur Frayn
Edurus Erectus
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:04:00 -
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You've probably gone through this many times before on the forums, but what big sweeping additions do you want CCP to make?
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Carla Messer
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:08:00 -
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Wait, CCP made changes last expansion?
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:13:00 -
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lowsec
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Marzad
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Carla Messer
Wait, CCP made changes last expansion?
Durp
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Arthur Frayn
Edurus Erectus
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:15:00 -
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My biggest wish for a future expansion is a new Eve gate opening to another galaxy (not the milky way) where all space is 0.0 and sovereignty cannot be claimed anywhere because it's already populated by hostile npc aliens that are as tough as Sleepers in Class 5 wormholes.
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Sisohiv
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:15:00 -
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Ideas and Suggestions if I want to offer what to do next but for this expack it was a T1 expack that removed seeds, it made onboard scanners obselete, it tried yet again to draw high sec alts and carebears to null sec and failed (it will).
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Makar Kravchenko
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:45:00 -
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Tier 2, Tech 2 Battlecruisers.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente
DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 04/06/2010 05:47:40
I think that since the game is making good money now,and wants to cater to the console crowd with dust 514,which the revenue potential is enourmous,that peoples opinions on features that were added in previous expansions,and have barely got any attention since they were deployed,and there are plenty of those unfortunately,but barely register on CCP's attention meter these days.
It's all about the next expansion in 6 months,no matter how much existing stuff needs fixing or improving,and they have their own vision on where eve is going in the end...So perhaps having lost touch with the user base is an apt description overall.
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Darthion Illys
Amarr
Tyrans d'Or
Umbrella Chemical Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.04 05:56:00 -
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I doubt that CCP listens to its customers any more. And I doubt that anything we wish for will happen any time soon. Regardless, here's the top 10:
1. Fixes to current failing game mechanics
2. Low sec overhaul (or at least make it attractive)
3. Incarna
4. T3 Frigates and Battleships
5. Improvements and expansions to past additions which have been left and forgotten
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:05:00 -
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Would someone please fix the freakin bounty system. That is what space shooters are all about. Not about farming planets or spreadsheets or any of that junk. Shooot!!! Kill!! Pew-PEW!!! Cash in!!!
If Star Wars movie had been based on EVE, everyone would have fallen asleep at the theaters.
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Aeternus IV
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:17:00 -
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CCP will probably just do w/e they feel like, because if they were going to fix anything important... it would have been done already.
In any case, My wishlist:
1) W/e the expansion may be, I pray it does not introduce any more SuperDeathLag.
2) Overhaul to POS UI
3) T3 Frigates
4)Relating to 0.0 Sov Warfare: A mechanic to prevent uber blobbing systems when attacking/defending...
for example: A system has a cap.. let's say 500. Group A has sov. Group B(a corp, alliance, or coalition of alliances.... any entity that does not hold sov in that system) attacks! OH NO!
At any given time Group B can occupy up to half the system cap.. 250... while the sov holding group A can have the other half, thus requiring those 1400 man fleets to be spread out over several systems, reducing lag, and bringing in more of a tactical/strategic? requirements.
Random neut trying to pass through? oh well.. u prolly dont wanna go in there anyways :P
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:25:00 -
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You know, loads of people complain they want bugs fixed instead of new features, but when an expansion not lacking, but just light in actual new content arrives, what's the first thing the masses complain about ? Yup, lack of new content.
THIS THREAD IS AMPLE PROOF CCP WILL NEVER ATTEMPT A "PURE BUGFIX" EXPANSION.
Proposals like this one here where a relatively high number of people have expressed their support are basically doomed to be rejected almost automatically by CCP.
Ah, got to love the playerbase.
Granted, if this expansion would have fixed more bugs instead of bringing back some old ones, or if it significantly improved anti-lag measures or whatnot, threads like this would probably not exist (who am I kidding, they would).
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Carla Messer
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:28:00 -
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To be fair this last expansion had lack of content and lack of bug fixes and CCP did it anyway...so thanks for playing I guess
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You know, loads of people complain they want bugs fixed instead of new features, but when an expansion not lacking, but just light in actual new content arrives, what's the first thing the masses complain about ? Yup, lack of new content.
THIS THREAD IS AMPLE PROOF CCP WILL NEVER ATTEMPT A "PURE BUGFIX" EXPANSION.
Proposals like this one here where a relatively high number of people have expressed their support are basically doomed to be rejected almost automatically by CCP.
Ah, got to love the playerbase.
Granted, if this expansion would have fixed more bugs instead of bringing back some old ones, or if it significantly improved anti-lag measures or whatnot, threads like this would probably not exist (who am I kidding, they would).
Damned if they do and damned if they don't. I sometimes wonder why CCP even bothers.
Then again, the forums != the massive player base who rather then whine on the forums just play EVE.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.06.04 06:54:00 -
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tyrannis was a pretty good expansion I like expecially the part where they added that fun new content uhhh ....... where they fixed that bug that .... uhhhh oh nevermind it was awful
fix rockets, bring back old cyno, boost low sec a bit, boost webs and damps a bit on ships that specialise in them and fix whatever bellum says is wrong with blasters so he stops whining about it and then call it an expansion and it would be infinately better than tyrannis
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
So now most of the conversation amongst the various circles I travel in has turned towards 'what's next?' and indeed, I think it merits some discussion.
I thought the exact same thing when Dominion was released. For those not living in 0sec, it didn't offer a lot. This time it's different, but it's obviously not everyone's cup of tea either. That would be impossible.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You know, loads of people complain they want bugs fixed instead of new features, but when an expansion not lacking, but just light in actual new content arrives, what's the first thing the masses complain about ? Yup, lack of new content.
THIS THREAD IS AMPLE PROOF CCP WILL NEVER ATTEMPT A "PURE BUGFIX" EXPANSION.
Proposals like this one here where a relatively high number of people have expressed their support are basically doomed to be rejected almost automatically by CCP.
Ah, got to love the playerbase.
Granted, if this expansion would have fixed more bugs instead of bringing back some old ones, or if it significantly improved anti-lag measures or whatnot, threads like this would probably not exist (who am I kidding, they would).
Problem is that CCP is not doing the one or the other.
They didn't add lots of new gameplay things (just look at the current state of PI) but also they didn't fix many bugs and also they didn't improve the existing half-finished things.
I really wonder what the 400 employees which are ALL paid by Eve subscribers are doing the whole day there. They sure are a cool bunch of guys, but it looks like the management and producers are totally unfocussed (again) or at least not focussed onto Eve. |
Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Libin Herobi on 04/06/2010 07:14:44
Originally by: Akita T
You know, loads of people complain they want bugs fixed instead of new features, but when an expansion not lacking, but just light in actual new content arrives, what's the first thing the masses complain about ? Yup, lack of new content.
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Granted, if this expansion would have fixed more bugs instead of bringing back some old ones, or if it significantly improved anti-lag measures or whatnot, threads like this would probably not exist (who am I kidding, they would).
See, you already explained it yourself.
This expansion brought neither a lot of features nor a lot of bugfixes.
People want something: It can be interesting new content that keeps them occupied for a while (just look at wormholes - still worthwhile) or it can be a bugfix that has prevented the full use of something (fix the gridloading problem and people will catch up on a lot of 0.0 fleet fights).
But when after 6 months an expasion delivers not much of anything then people will not be happy.
"We want A or B"
"Here's C"
"MEHHHHHHH"
Surprised about that?
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Gnulpie beat me to it... 
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Harcole
Amarr
Sanguine Unity
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:19:00 -
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Forums after any patch (expansion or not) ALWAYS full of people crying about nothing...
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EvE has been around longer than most of the people who complain, just because your too new to remember or have experienced some of the other expansions that introduced say... Battleships, POS or Capital Class ships does not mean that every expansion has to give something that big. Also remember you haven't paid for the content like you would with some other MMO's so if it's really that much of an issue for you, sit back chill and remember there are other games so quick whining and go do something productive with your life.
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At the end of the day Tyrannis is what it is, nothing more nothing less, just another patch in a game I enjoy spending time playing.
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RP McMurphy
The CULT OF DAMNED
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: RP McMurphy on 04/06/2010 07:31:33
I totaly agree with OP, Akita and everybody else.
Only thing i can say: welcome to CCPs realm. They are making good money out of it and until that changes, why even bother?
PI is only a prereq for Dust since i have a feeling that pew pew on planet for consoles will happen around our own PI bases.
But imagine, u are getting 200.000 * 12Ç per month = 2.4mil Ç PER MONTH, u really care if 10 of those ppl ragequit when they see that CCP is ignorant? They dont..
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:30:00 -
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TL;DR
Q****ingQ.
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Quaristice
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
You've probably gone through this many times before on the forums, but what big sweeping additions do you want CCP to make?
Instead of redoing 1 ship model, do at least 20. Change backgrounds to update them with plants, roids, etc.
Thats what came to mind in 2 seconds...yeah its visual but who so what. I mean 1 ship got an overhaul? Like WTF was the point of that?
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: RP McMurphy
Edited by: RP McMurphy on 04/06/2010 07:31:33
I totaly agree with OP, Akita and everybody else.
Only thing i can say: welcome to CCPs realm. They are making good money out of it and until that changes, why even bother?
PI is only a prereq for Dust since i have a feeling that pew pew on planet for consoles will happen around our own PI bases.
But imagine, u are getting 200.000 * 12Ç per month = 2.4mil Ç PER MONTH, u really care if 10 of those ppl ragequit when they see that CCP is ignorant? They dont..
Those numbers, can you put them back into your ass?
I heard they want to go back home and I am pretty sure that's where they came from...
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Linda Lipsynch
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
You know, loads of people complain they want bugs fixed instead of new features, but when an expansion not lacking, but just light in actual new content arrives, what's the first thing the masses complain about ? Yup, lack of new content.
THIS THREAD IS AMPLE PROOF CCP WILL NEVER ATTEMPT A "PURE BUGFIX" EXPANSION.
Proposals like this one here where a relatively high number of people have expressed their support are basically doomed to be rejected almost automatically by CCP.
Ah, got to love the playerbase.
I would tend to agree with you but for:
1: That thread has the highest number of supporters to any Assembly Hall issue ever. Over 1100 now and still rising.
2: The CSM are now stakeholders. CCP will have to do "something". Whether that is a cycle of bugfix/promised feature introduction at 6 months and a new content expansion 6 months after that is up to them but they cannot ignore it.
3: The lack of content in expansions has been ongoing now for at least 2 or 3 where things get missed off leaving the expansion light to what was promised (treaties,storefronts to name just two) and this is why that thread over in assembly hall exists and precisely why Bellum Eternus made the OP. If it wasn't this expansion it would be the last one, the next one etc.
So overall, while you are absolutely right that it looks like CCP cannot win, if they just delivered what was promised then there would be plenty of tools in the sandbox for us to make our own content with these expansions.
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Pikkuhukka
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:38:00 -
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gnarrl hurrrrrr derp derp derp planets
hurr hurr derp derp derp zort
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wakalaka
Information And Entropy
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:46:00 -
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It's true that, if CCP took some time to develop further their features (revisit, expand, 2.0 versions), things could improve greatly gameplay wise, in otherwise already greatly developed features. Imagine PI with neighborhoods and conquest modes, this was on the sketchbook. We even got an initial alpha on the neighborhood thing, it's what puts the MM in MMORPG.
Maybe their scrum methodology isn't doing good for this kind of revisiting stuff.
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:47:00 -
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I'd have to ask.
"When do you think CCP actually start listening their customers in a measurable, meaningful way?"
I don't know about you but I can say they will when they are cut deeply in their wallet. Until then, nothing's going to change. Nada.
And the very fact that you could write on the forum means the time will come only slowly because you feed them and encourage them to give us half-baked cake everytime!
Here is what I think. CCP has succeeded tremendously, and arrogance is the one symptom that most of successful ones often suffer. The cure, however, could seldom be achieved w/ their own demise. No matter how you try hard to reach out before that happens, it just doesn't help. So give it up early and put your passion to someone/something rather meaningful.
I, too, love this game like you, and want EVE and CCP to become something I could grow older with. But the way the whole facade is unfolding really is distressing from time to time. |
Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:48:00 -
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Well about the "expansion":
a. I'm not really bothered by any of the features. A little less loot, it doesn't really impress me and my miner will be happy that at least her profession is now the best option for what it's meant to be in the first place: the aquisition of minerals.
b. I regard PI more as a mini-game that provides some extra goodies than something that influences my gameplay a lot. It doesn't have a lot of impact on how people spend their in-game time, just as little as the R&D datacore thing (well ok, probably a little more).
c. The lowsec missions are the unhandy bit but well, I still have the choice to refuse the mission or move to another agent. It may have the effect that more people move to less mission hubs but well, it doesn't matter that much although I'm not sure if that's what CCP intended.
d. What actually impressed me the most was the effect on macro miners. Sadly I believe the bot programmers already found a workaround.
What I'm really loooking forward to the most is the upcoming Incarna or "walking in stations" thing that's due this winter (but I believe it's been postponed since 2006). Incarna will have major influence on how my game is experienced, it will make the game a lot more personal and social and I'll feel less like I'm my ship instead of my character. Of course it's just personal but for me being able to walk into a station and have a cup of synthetic coffee and meeting and chatting with some other pilots who are also taking a break will add a major dimension to EVE.
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RP McMurphy
The CULT OF DAMNED
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Posted - 2010.06.04 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Libin Herobi
Those numbers, can you put them back into your ass?
I heard they want to go back home and I am pretty sure that's where they came from...
Its simple math:
eve has around 200.000 subscribers, right?
Monthly there is a 12Ç subscription fee, right?
There is some extra income from those that buy new accounts, right?
And some extra income from those that stockpile PLEXes, right?
So, last two incomes pretty much negate fluctuation of inactive accounts out of those 200k subscribers. So for simplification of math, lets stick with this number, altough there are articles on inet that annonuce over 300k ACTIVE subscribers! Linkage
Now multiply 200.000 with 12Ç and u get 2.4mil Ç.
If we stick with 300.000 active subscriptions, we get 3.6mil Ç per month.
Not so much out of my ass, ha wower?
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