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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:41:00 -
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I like using oversized ab's first then MWD II + AB, but with these changes up-and-coming how will they survive?
One AB = not fast enough - get shot/killed
One MWD = Fast enough, sig rad too big - get shot/killed
Will cepters get a bigger base speed ?
Any thoughts ?
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:41:00 -
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I like using oversized ab's first then MWD II + AB, but with these changes up-and-coming how will they survive?
One AB = not fast enough - get shot/killed
One MWD = Fast enough, sig rad too big - get shot/killed
Will cepters get a bigger base speed ?
Any thoughts ?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:46:00 -
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Shouldn't be needed.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:46:00 -
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Shouldn't be needed.
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:48:00 -
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i use a tech 2 mwd, what's the problem? i don't have any.
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:48:00 -
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i use a tech 2 mwd, what's the problem? i don't have any.
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Random
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Vampire Blade
i use a tech 2 mwd, what's the problem? i don't have any.
same here, if im webed i die (just like OAB users), if i drained i die (just like OAB users )but overall im ok
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Random
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vampire Blade
i use a tech 2 mwd, what's the problem? i don't have any.
same here, if im webed i die (just like OAB users), if i drained i die (just like OAB users )but overall im ok
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:55:00 -
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MWDs are still a viable option, and will work just like they do now... but won't give you the shield hit. They'll still be excellent for dodging missiles and either closing or maintaing range.
Oversized ABs will require more sacrifices than they do now, but should give more speed as well. This means that it will be harder to fit, but you'll have more advantages. Figure you'll be going roughly 2x as fast as you currently are with an oversized AB, but won't be able to run any other speed boosters in your mids. |
Veskrashen
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:55:00 -
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MWDs are still a viable option, and will work just like they do now... but won't give you the shield hit. They'll still be excellent for dodging missiles and either closing or maintaing range.
Oversized ABs will require more sacrifices than they do now, but should give more speed as well. This means that it will be harder to fit, but you'll have more advantages. Figure you'll be going roughly 2x as fast as you currently are with an oversized AB, but won't be able to run any other speed boosters in your mids. |
Vee Bot
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vee Bot on 10/12/2004 16:01:31
Originally by: Veskrashen
Oversized ABs will require more sacrifices than they do now, but should give more speed as well. This means that it will be harder to fit, but you'll have more advantages. Figure you'll be going roughly 2x as fast as you currently are with an oversized AB, but won't be able to run any other speed boosters in your mids.
Yeah, but if an oversized ab costs double the pg, then i doubt many will be able to fit one, let alone anything else. Just with MWD i get hit lots when fighting frigs/frig sized guns and cepters are ment to be 1337 compared to a frig.....
Hence the term, '31337 frig'
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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2004.12.10 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vee Bot on 10/12/2004 16:01:31
Originally by: Veskrashen
Oversized ABs will require more sacrifices than they do now, but should give more speed as well. This means that it will be harder to fit, but you'll have more advantages. Figure you'll be going roughly 2x as fast as you currently are with an oversized AB, but won't be able to run any other speed boosters in your mids.
Yeah, but if an oversized ab costs double the pg, then i doubt many will be able to fit one, let alone anything else. Just with MWD i get hit lots when fighting frigs/frig sized guns and cepters are ment to be 1337 compared to a frig.....
Hence the term, '31337 frig'
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:05:00 -
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hm..crow with oevrsized AB...gonna go what 10km/s?
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:05:00 -
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hm..crow with oevrsized AB...gonna go what 10km/s?
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
hm..crow with oevrsized AB...gonna go what 10km/s?
Should be around 7.5-8km/sec... other threads mention it hitting about 7.5km/sec based on Sisi testing.
Uber fast, and still practical for missile use, but not for much else. Takes 50PG for a 10mn AB I now too, again according to Sisi. |
Veskrashen
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bad'Boy
hm..crow with oevrsized AB...gonna go what 10km/s?
Should be around 7.5-8km/sec... other threads mention it hitting about 7.5km/sec based on Sisi testing.
Uber fast, and still practical for missile use, but not for much else. Takes 50PG for a 10mn AB I now too, again according to Sisi. |
Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:26:00 -
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abs are gona use MORE PG? Oh god... ccp doesnt stop screwing around
i use oversized abs in my cruisers for npc hunting, missions because: they give a good amount of speed, not as much as mwd but they dont have cap nerf, and than again they use a lot more PG, so oversized AB was balanced, more than enough for me, and now you tell me your going to nerf em even more?
yes nerf because: oversized will become impossible and normal sized will still be useless when compared to mwd/oversizedAB
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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:26:00 -
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abs are gona use MORE PG? Oh god... ccp doesnt stop screwing around
i use oversized abs in my cruisers for npc hunting, missions because: they give a good amount of speed, not as much as mwd but they dont have cap nerf, and than again they use a lot more PG, so oversized AB was balanced, more than enough for me, and now you tell me your going to nerf em even more?
yes nerf because: oversized will become impossible and normal sized will still be useless when compared to mwd/oversizedAB
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:38:00 -
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So crow will be uber once again ?
Can we please try and get a solution first time round that doesn't just cause another imbalance elsewhere.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.12.10 16:38:00 -
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So crow will be uber once again ?
Can we please try and get a solution first time round that doesn't just cause another imbalance elsewhere.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.10 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toran Mehtar
So crow will be uber once again ?
Can we please try and get a solution first time round that doesn't just cause another imbalance elsewhere.
Again? Crow still pwns now.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.10 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toran Mehtar
So crow will be uber once again ?
Can we please try and get a solution first time round that doesn't just cause another imbalance elsewhere.
Again? Crow still pwns now.
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Madcap Magician
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:02:00 -
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Sorry, but everyone is still missing the point.
Oversized use of afterburners was *gasp* not intended! The results had not been taken into account during balance sessions.
The sig radius penalty for the MWD simply makes the target the same "size" to hit as if it wasn't moving at an obcene speed. Obviously, obcene speed+tiny sig radius is preferable. Not even frig guns can hit you.
NOW do you see the problem? They're on the right track here. You can still fit your oversized abs for a smaller boost in speed without the cap and sig penalties applied, or you can use the MODULE DESIGNED FOR HIGH SPEED and take the penalties that go along with it.
Good times will always be remembered. Sleep well, old friends. |
Madcap Magician
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:02:00 -
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Sorry, but everyone is still missing the point.
Oversized use of afterburners was *gasp* not intended! The results had not been taken into account during balance sessions.
The sig radius penalty for the MWD simply makes the target the same "size" to hit as if it wasn't moving at an obcene speed. Obviously, obcene speed+tiny sig radius is preferable. Not even frig guns can hit you.
NOW do you see the problem? They're on the right track here. You can still fit your oversized abs for a smaller boost in speed without the cap and sig penalties applied, or you can use the MODULE DESIGNED FOR HIGH SPEED and take the penalties that go along with it.
Good times will always be remembered. Sleep well, old friends. |
DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:33:00 -
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Ok Einstein, why do we call them Interceptors and Frigs for.... well frigs? We just end at the old discussion that frigs can be used for the same thing then... No need to spent alot of money on Interceptors when in the end u can to the same thing in ur Incurses(Post-propulsion patch)... Both things go pop anyway...
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:33:00 -
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Ok Einstein, why do we call them Interceptors and Frigs for.... well frigs? We just end at the old discussion that frigs can be used for the same thing then... No need to spent alot of money on Interceptors when in the end u can to the same thing in ur Incurses(Post-propulsion patch)... Both things go pop anyway...
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:58:00 -
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What is funny is how these changes don't have impact on all races equally.
We all know crow could fit oversized AB and mount full offence, while every other inty had to sacrifice something. The distinction is even bigger now.
Same goes for covops, if you have cloaking 4 and covops 4 you can mount cloak + probe launcher on buzzard, but not on any other covops except on gallente one with a stretch and extra cpu.
I have a feeling that CCP got lost in their own design thoughts, being pushed too hard by forum whiners. Every "fix" they came up with is broken.
- newbs complain that battleships "pwn" their frigates, turret tracking changes are introduced.
- newbs still complain and start mounting oversized abs.
- vets mount dual oversized abs on cruisers and pwn newbs again, newbs complain, abs+mwds are getting nerfed 
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.12.10 18:58:00 -
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What is funny is how these changes don't have impact on all races equally.
We all know crow could fit oversized AB and mount full offence, while every other inty had to sacrifice something. The distinction is even bigger now.
Same goes for covops, if you have cloaking 4 and covops 4 you can mount cloak + probe launcher on buzzard, but not on any other covops except on gallente one with a stretch and extra cpu.
I have a feeling that CCP got lost in their own design thoughts, being pushed too hard by forum whiners. Every "fix" they came up with is broken.
- newbs complain that battleships "pwn" their frigates, turret tracking changes are introduced.
- newbs still complain and start mounting oversized abs.
- vets mount dual oversized abs on cruisers and pwn newbs again, newbs complain, abs+mwds are getting nerfed
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Weirda
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:35:00 -
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Though oversize AB still give larger speed increase now on SISI, they can't be done tweaking them. Specifically because they said they will give 'less of a boost' (paraphrase) then currently. IWHO - that mean they intend to change the math that apply the propulsion.
Weirda saving opinion for when the changes hit Tranquility.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2004.12.10 22:35:00 -
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Though oversize AB still give larger speed increase now on SISI, they can't be done tweaking them. Specifically because they said they will give 'less of a boost' (paraphrase) then currently. IWHO - that mean they intend to change the math that apply the propulsion.
Weirda saving opinion for when the changes hit Tranquility.
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