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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:14:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:I feel a little sad that we can't have three teams from this group enter the next stage because Rote, RvB and PL have all been super entertaining and good this year. Props to all three teams! See it from this angle: having these strong teams in one group means that we get to see those really good fights early in the tournament. Ignoring those stupid blackouts for a minute does this keep the viewer numbers high, because everyone gets to feel the excitement of the tournament. If it was more spread out (having one strong team in each group) then it could get too predictable through each stage and you would see the weaker teams being kicked out one by one.
This is so much better.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
609
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:16:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:Lexmana wrote:Interesting choice relying so heavily on neuts when they most likely would face capless weapons and ASBs. Looking at ship statistics, Rote Kapelle fielded the second, forth and fifth most common ships in AT so far. And PLs 100B elite setup seemed to have no counter to the Sleipnirs. Maybe it is time to go back to the drawing board? That said it was a really good match. Thanks for the entertainment both teams. Still need cap to run ewar, props, dcu, and hardeners. An asb'd ship is that much easier to kill if its web'd to crap, hardeners are off and logi's assploded. Yeah, all that is true. But it didn't seem to work that well against three Sleipnirs (and a bunch of high DPS AFs) rushing to kill their BSs. Only one Sleipnir was neuted and one webbed. This weakness has to be taken seriously since Sleipnirs are the most common dps ship in AT followed by cyclones.
Maybe if they had more TDs they could have saved their flagship and won the match. Or if they would have brought down one of the Sleipnirs before going for the scimitar.
Yeah, I know it is so much easier to win tournaments when you are spectator. Fun game. Good fight. |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
609
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Posted - 2012.07.16 13:26:00 -
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Proxay wrote:Lexmana wrote:Interesting choice relying so heavily on neuts when they most likely would face capless weapons and ASBs. Looking at ship statistics, Rote Kapelle fielded the second, forth and fifth most common ships in AT so far. And PLs 100B elite setup seemed to have no counter to the Sleipnirs. Maybe it is time to go back to the drawing board? That said it was a really good match. Thanks for the entertainment both teams. PL were watching every practice we did, and we were fielding teams that their setup would've annihilated, on singularity. I can criticize my team and I pretty hard too. Sure we won, and their setup wasn't geared to beat ours, but they still had a great team, that was solid as all ****. At the three minute mark we should've pushed for their damnation, to secure another 16 points. It would've died in three minutes too, the sleip dps is considerable. There are other things, but we are very happy to take a win away from that match. When we said GF, we 100% meant it. Great showing. I guess you really wanted to kill one of these Malices ... but yeah, the smart thing would have been to go for the Damnation. Good win though. Awesome.
I am really looking forward to seeing you guys next weekend. |

Kachak
Simba Kraken
1
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:21:00 -
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Ben Booley is my buddy from MT. That stupid Laz could have said some nice things bout him :(
nunun+hinkl = boss |

Otebski
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
11
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Posted - 2012.07.16 14:57:00 -
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It was a great match! But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss. Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get... |

claire xxx
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
36
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:27:00 -
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Otebski wrote:It was a great match! But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss. Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get...
Pretty sure you must have watched a different match than I did.
PL engaged with them just fine, and our team ignored the bait. It wasn't until the end that they kited them out and away to avoid losing them.
Also, I'm pretty sure the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule doesn't apply here since PL could easily have absorbed those losses. And they had the ego to bring them, knowing full well they might lose one or more of them.
Finally, I'm of two minds about the use of the Malice in the tournament. While, of course, I was rooting for my team to catch them and kill them, I'd have also been a little saddened by their loss. There are a finite number of tournament ships in game and I hate to see them lost.
Mad props to PL for using them. |

Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
45
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Posted - 2012.07.16 15:56:00 -
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Otebski wrote:It was a great match! But tbh pl broke first rule of eve pvp: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Malices were mostly useless for more than half of a match simply because pl's ego (not wallet) couldn't handle losing them. A setup where 1/3 of the team cannot commit to a fight deserved a loss. Now I am really curious how rich rvb will get...
PL was purdy much all in with that match. Considering those ships were prizes that PL didn't even WIN, I'm pretty sure they were prepared to lose 4 tourny frigs for a more definite shot at 50x ATX ships. Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2699
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Posted - 2012.07.16 19:25:00 -
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That was a really good fight to watch (only just caught up with the results from yesterday) - very well fought to Rote Kapelle and it was a ridiculously exciting match that could have gone either way.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedomInferno Wardecs - Shoot Goons for FREE $300,000 dollars :(-á |

Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
67
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:36:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:That was a really good fight to watch (only just caught up with the results from yesterday) - very well fought to Rote Kapelle and it was a ridiculously exciting match that could have gone either way.
Thanks Jade. It was our own little Thorax charge of sorts. PL brought the style points for us though. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
5
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:07:00 -
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Lt Pizi wrote:best match sofar ... was like when the thoraxes rushed the bob team back then
that was star fraction vs bob
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B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2012.07.17 04:10:00 -
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From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well. |

Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
67
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Posted - 2012.07.17 04:25:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.
Pretty sure my Nyx is fit more cheaply than that flagship was.  |

Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
166
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Posted - 2012.07.17 04:39:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet. Pretty sure my Nyx is fit more cheaply than that flagship was. 
In for a penny, in for a pound |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
980
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Posted - 2012.07.17 08:23:00 -
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Proxay wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:best match sofar ... was like when the thoraxes rushed the bob team back then The people who flew that team, are in Rote Kapelle. seriously?
damn
Baller status. There will never be a more epic upset. Bob won it it, what, 5 years in a row? I think they went the whole tounryment with the same single set up didn't they? they were so cocky, they kept using the same 10 ships. And then, 10 thoraxes, and it as the bext counter I've ever seen. And like that, bob finally lost a match after 5 years. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |

Sturm Gewehr
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
3
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Posted - 2012.07.17 09:41:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.
Post malice fit? :P |

Alekto Descendant
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:55:00 -
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Sturm Gewehr wrote:B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet. Post malice fit? :P
If you wanted the fit, you should have killed them. :)
*hint* they were not Civillian lasar fitted. |

claire xxx
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
37
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:11:00 -
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Alekto Descendant wrote: If you wanted the fit, you should have killed them. :)
*hint* they were not Civillian lasar fitted.
Oh Alekto why so coy and teasing? 
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Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
154
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:28:00 -
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As an aside feel free to bet against PL in the upcoming matches!
... I need the good odds to win my cash back <.< |

Apathetic Brent
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:44:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet.
Sorry we killed you bud. Flagships are like that though. They don't, generally speaking, tank harder than the non FS variants, and they provide more dps/utility.
RE: Malices, I'm glad I didn't call a rush on them after the bhaals went down. It would have taken too much time, and we were super low on frigs after the guardian went down. They're so majestic I think I would have had a hard time firing that last shot. I did get close to running down Joe Fishy though 
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B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:03:00 -
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Apathetic Brent wrote:B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet. Sorry we killed you bud. Flagships are like that though. They don't, generally speaking, tank harder than the non FS variants, and they provide more dps/utility. RE: Malices, I'm glad I didn't call a rush on them after the bhaals went down. It would have taken too much time, and we were super low on frigs after the guardian went down. They're so majestic I think I would have had a hard time firing that last shot. I did get close to running down Joe Fishy though 
eh if i was you i wouldn't be sorry about killing my 20b bhaal. but after we kill rvb this Saturday we will just have to agree to meet again in the final match. |

fpshacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
21
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:21:00 -
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I think we will see more of the malices from PL. They have been very successful this tournament using high dps support to rush and kill the other teams logistics and malices fit this role perfectly.
I think PL would have done much better if they had brought windicators instead of bhaalgorns. |

Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
67
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:06:00 -
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fpshacker wrote:I think PL would have done much better if they had brought windicators instead of bhaalgorns.
I suspect PL anticipated us bringing a setup revolving around our Vindicator flagship and tried to counter it. I could be wrong.
Regarding BoB vs SF, I think at this point only two of the pilots that flew in that match are still actively playing, myself and Neurotica (an alt of our alliance executor, Tyzzara). Atandros, another founder of Stimulus also flew in that match, Sakura Nihil, CEO of Selective Pressure (another corporation in Rote Kapelle) was the captain of that Star Fraction team, and at least one, possibly two more of the pilots who flew in that match came to either Stimulus or Rote Kapelle for some period of time. I can't remember exactly off the top of my head and I can't be bothered to go look it up.
Also, BoB had won 3 straight tournaments, had never lost a match, and had never lost a ship. They brought the exact same "unbeatable" setup to every match. Note that this was also in the time when ANY implants were allowed, including pirate sets, so you can bet they were running all HG pirate sets in that setup as well. I myself was flying a LG Slave clone that I still own to this day and use once in a while. |

Apathetic Brent
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:45:00 -
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B'reanna wrote:Apathetic Brent wrote:B'reanna wrote:From the pl side it just as intense as it seemed. as far as the malices you people should play with them in eft they are ridiculous. props to rote for plalying there team well.
edit : also i seemed to have misplaced my chelm's nuet. Sorry we killed you bud. Flagships are like that though. They don't, generally speaking, tank harder than the non FS variants, and they provide more dps/utility. RE: Malices, I'm glad I didn't call a rush on them after the bhaals went down. It would have taken too much time, and we were super low on frigs after the guardian went down. They're so majestic I think I would have had a hard time firing that last shot. I did get close to running down Joe Fishy though  eh if i was you i wouldn't be sorry about killing my 20b bhaal. but after we kill rvb this Saturday we will just have to agree to meet again in the final match.
If you want a rematch you're going to have to try to keep RvB's points low. |

Alekto Descendant
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2012.07.17 21:38:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote: I suspect PL anticipated us bringing a setup revolving around our Vindicator flagship and tried to counter it. I could be wrong.

Apathetic Brent wrote: If you want a rematch you're going to have to try to keep RvB's points low.
>69 points for RvB, assuming you beat kill it with fire with full point.
For what its worth, our goal is always the same, and that's to go for the shut out.... but as we know from last weekend... that doesn't always go as planned. |

joefishy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.07.17 23:42:00 -
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as a malice pilot,
that match was awesome. It was a complete blur, had to watch the match again to kick start my memory.
I was not scared to lose it, I just didn't want to die. I was doing like any other frig pilot. Live to win.
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Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
46
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Posted - 2012.07.18 00:21:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:fpshacker wrote:I think PL would have done much better if they had brought windicators instead of bhaalgorns. I suspect PL anticipated us bringing a setup revolving around our Vindicator flagship and tried to counter it. I could be wrong. Regarding BoB vs SF, I think at this point only two of the pilots that flew in that match (of the Rote Kapelle crew) are still actively playing, myself and Neurotica (an alt of our alliance executor, Tyzzara). Atandros, another founder of Stimulus also flew in that match, Sakura Nihil, CEO of Selective Pressure (another corporation in Rote Kapelle) was the captain of that Star Fraction team, and at least one, possibly two more of the pilots who flew in that match came to either Stimulus or Rote Kapelle for some period of time. I can't remember exactly off the top of my head and I can't be bothered to go look it up. Also, BoB had won 3 straight tournaments, had never lost a match, and had never lost a ship. They brought the exact same "unbeatable" setup to every match. Note that this was also in the time when ANY implants were allowed, including pirate sets, so you can bet they were running all HG pirate sets in that setup as well. I myself was flying a LG Slave clone that I still own to this day and use once in a while.
Awesome bit of history.
As someone who's been in ATs for awhile, do you feel taking away pirate implants made the matches better or worse? Should it be reconsidered? Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |

B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.07.18 02:54:00 -
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please no. no asbs with a crystal set |

claire xxx
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
37
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Posted - 2012.07.18 07:44:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote: As someone who's been in ATs for awhile, do you feel taking away pirate implants made the matches better or worse? Should it be reconsidered?
I can't answer for my corp-mate, but I'll say, in my opinion, I think it's better. To many smaller alliances don't have the deep pockets to afford those kinds of implants.
And before people say, "to bad, sucks to be them," please remember this is a tournament, and not everyday Eve PvP. Everyone who gets in should be on the same level playing field. Granted bringing a wing of Malices isn't leveling the playing field *laughing* but I think you get my point. The tournament should be about skill, not about who can throw the most Isk into the best faction implants, tank, and dps to gain an edge.
Just my opinion, anyway.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
69
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:19:00 -
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claire xxx wrote:Possum's Awesome wrote: As someone who's been in ATs for awhile, do you feel taking away pirate implants made the matches better or worse? Should it be reconsidered?
I can't answer for my corp-mate, but I'll say, in my opinion, I think it's better. To many smaller alliances don't have the deep pockets to afford those kinds of implants. And before people say, "to bad, sucks to be them," please remember this is a tournament, and not everyday Eve PvP. Everyone who gets in should be on the same level playing field. Granted bringing a wing of Malices isn't leveling the playing field *laughing* but I think you get my point. The tournament should be about skill, not about who can throw the most Isk into the best faction implants, tank, and dps to gain an edge. Just my opinion, anyway.
This. |

Proxay
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
8
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Posted - 2012.07.18 09:10:00 -
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claire xxx wrote:Possum's Awesome wrote: As someone who's been in ATs for awhile, do you feel taking away pirate implants made the matches better or worse? Should it be reconsidered?
I can't answer for my corp-mate, but I'll say, in my opinion, I think it's better. To many smaller alliances don't have the deep pockets to afford those kinds of implants. And before people say, "to bad, sucks to be them," please remember this is a tournament, and not everyday Eve PvP. Everyone who gets in should be on the same level playing field. Granted bringing a wing of Malices isn't leveling the playing field *laughing* but I think you get my point. The tournament should be about skill, not about who can throw the most Isk into the best faction implants, tank, and dps to gain an edge. Just my opinion, anyway.
And even if the isk were to be thrown into the team, hand over fist, the rock-paper-scissors of the AT will always present a counter that will best it, for a hundredth of the cost.
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