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Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.15 16:43:00 - [61] Originally by: The Jackhammer Originally by: Neo Gabriel This will not stop FW griefing ... I must have missed the part where war dec'ing a FW corp is considered griefing ... The OP wants CCP to introduce a mechanic so he can more easily call his girlfriends when he needs help Corps from within your own militia can war-dec one another. So often people will form a fleet and then members will start shooting one another. This causes the fleet to fall apart, but it also leads to people loosing Faction status with their militia if they want to help their friends (for shooting fellow militia members). Which is why the militia s are forced to make these expensive defacto inner militia alliances. War decs from out side of militias are fine and work just like any others and in most cases are from high-sec girly men. Given that most militia corps spend an overwhelming amount of time in low-sec they are kinda pointless. With alliance decs there is the problem of not being able to form a counter alliance while still remaining in militia. Again makeing it difficult and expensive for your friends to aid you. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Neo Gabriel Gallente Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.06.15 17:38:00 - [62] The wardec mechanics also cause problems because it takes so much time to get it into effect. You have voting time, you have to have directors approve it, and then wait 24hrs. Meanwhile the person who got decced first is being picked at gates and you have to resort to going gcc to protect fellow militia members. Problems with griefers exist when they join militia then shoot fellow militia, then leave corp after a couple weeks to reset faction standings and then come back to grief militia again w/o fear of standings punishment. So militia corporations resort to wardecs to protect their standings and freely engage them. I don't really care for highsec f4gs but CCP really has to take a look at wardec mechanics, hopefully by making militia a semi alliance.
Muad' Dib Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:02:00 - [63] Originally by: Hidden Snake Originally by: The Jackhammer Originally by: Neo Gabriel This will not stop FW griefing ... I must have missed the part where war dec'ing a FW corp is considered griefing ... The OP wants CCP to introduce a mechanic so he can more easily call his girlfriends when he needs help I think that all the reasons were described. And yes most of the wdecks were usually smashed when whole CDI joined. griefing ... well I do not like mentality of Jita boys, but game allows it and so be it. And that Hexxed guys joined The 0rphanage shows something. So again I do not care for the high sec wdecks (they are side annoyance and we are handling them fine), I just want solution of something which was not solved for 2 years! ad solutions considering that wdec militia corp will open war to whole militia - this will completely disballance the high sec wdecs as militia will be realtively safe harbor for every carebear and it will also disallow wdecs inside militia (unpleasant but inevitable sometimes). ad solutuion of making alliances inside militia - this is simple solution of just disallowing alliance in militia to hold sov and voila ... it works even for the big nullses boys who are mostly of militias invading border systems or big null players ravaging militias just for fun. For a moment there i thought you were serious, good thing i picked up on the joke. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.16 17:27:00 - [64] I stopped giving a damn about what Hidden Snake says. Inglorious-Basterds and the Caldari Defense Initiative have done nothing to help out the general militia. Many of us genuinely want to PvP in fleet warfare, and some of us (myself included) are still learning about our ships, tactics, and what to do in fleet warfare. For weeks I've watched IBS and the CDI go out alone - just those people in fleets. Many of us looking to join fleets are ignored, because of "spies". There's no fun in this "fleet warfare" thing because, and get this....read it carefully, Hidden-Snake, because it's directed at you: YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY THE FUN FOR EVERYONE ELSE. YOU HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYED WHAT LITTLE MORALE WAS EVIDENT IN THE MILITIA WITH YOUR STUPID F***ING IDEA AND WERE ABLE TO CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO IT THEN THE GALLENTE EVER COULD. CONGRATULATIONS. To be honest, I've set up quitting Draconian Armada, a Caldari militia corporation. I thought being in a militia would help out with my PvP. But the only fleets I've been in have had FCs that don't have the balls to actually engage the enemy. Any time the Gallente or Minmatar leave Tama, it's back to Nourv. Because they don't "want to chase the enemy". So Hidden-Snake, if you want the concept of fleet warfare to be fixed, stop destroying its integrity for your selfish reasons. And for God's sake, stop whining about small things. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.16 21:46:00 - [65] Edited by: Hidden Snake on 16/06/2010 21:52:32 Edited by: Hidden Snake on 16/06/2010 21:48:49 Originally by: Aiden Vorlan I stopped giving a damn about what Hidden Snake says. Inglorious-Basterds and the Caldari Defense Initiative have done nothing to help out the general militia. Many of us genuinely want to PvP in fleet warfare, and some of us (myself included) are still learning about our ships, tactics, and what to do in fleet warfare. For weeks I've watched IBS and the CDI go out alone - just those people in fleets. Many of us looking to join fleets are ignored, because of "spies". There's no fun in this "fleet warfare" thing because, and get this....read it carefully, Hidden-Snake, because it's directed at you: YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY THE FUN FOR EVERYONE ELSE. YOU HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROYED WHAT LITTLE MORALE WAS EVIDENT IN THE MILITIA WITH YOUR STUPID F*ING IDEA AND WERE ABLE TO CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO IT THEN THE GALLENTE EVER COULD. CONGRATULATIONS. To be honest, I've set up quitting Draconian Armada, a Caldari militia corporation. I thought being in a militia would help out with my PvP. But the only fleets I've been in have had FCs that don't have the balls to actually engage the enemy. Any time the Gallente or Minmatar leave Tama, it's back to Nourv. Because they don't "want to chase the enemy". So Hidden-Snake, if you want the concept of fleet warfare to be fixed, stop destroying its integrity for your selfish reasons. And for God's sake, stop whining about small things. well what should I say .... I know I am not omnipopular just because we build IBS and CDI, but just check this: 1) past week we have to go together CDI mostly because we were dealing with wdecks from The 0rphanage 2) 2 and 3 days ago was training fleets for complete noobs (special thnx to my corpmates Marauder73 and Firey Jack) 3) I did massive fleet even with total noobs from general militia (merged my fleet and some other general militia fleet) over weekend 4) we run this training program (and it requires some attention believe me) 5) I did at least one fleet last week which included even general militia 6) CDI is still taking load of kills in compare to the rest 7) Twice we risked open war just to protect smaller Caldari corps which were not part of CDI (once openly declared war and last week we have to live with some later consequences) 8) and honestly after Gavins act IBS was the only corp fighting in militia for quite long And now Vorlan, before you speak about CDI (or me or IBS) - how much you did in past 2 weeks for Caldari militia? Because we are doing a lot in past 7 months. Honestly I am not reacting just because of me, because I dont give a for this, but there are quite lot of good people behind these projects and they hard working to rebuild things we kinda believe in. So if you have any personal problem convo me in game and lets speak about it and stop spiting on work of these good people. Originally by:** Aiden Vorlan So Hidden-Snake, if you want the concept of fleet warfare to be fixed, stop destroying its integrity for your selfish reasons. And for God's sake, stop whining about small things. fleet warfare? this topic has nothing to do with fleet warfare.... "There is no honor in war"
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:06:00 - [66] Awesome we now have drama nicely completing the thread wining trifecta. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:09:00 - [67] Originally by: Jin Nib Awesome we now have drama nicely completing the thread wining trifecta. oh yeah ... you know me ... cannot resist to feed the troll ;) "There is no honor in war"
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Hidden Snake well what should I say .... I know I am not omnipopular just because we build IBS and CDI, but just check this: 1) past week we have to go together CDI mostly because we were dealing with wdecks from The 0rphanage Ah, so because you had a wardec from some random corporation, you couldn't put fleets together with the general militia. Gotcha'. Quote: 2) 2 and 3 days ago was training fleets for complete noobs (special thnx to my corpmates Marauder73 and Firey Jack) Noob fleets who, if I'm not mistaken, must follow your rules as set forth in the fail thread you posted a few days ago. A "training program" that doesn't train them for true PvP combat, from what I have been told by several rookies. Quote: 3) I did massive fleet even with total noobs from general militia (merged my fleet and some other general militia fleet) over weekend Ah, so you merged your fleet with someone else's from general militia. Gotcha'. Quote: 4) we run this training program (and it requires some attention believe me) The fail one, correct? Quote: 5) I did at least one fleet last week which included even general militia Funny. No one seems to remember this "fleet" you speak of. Quote: 6) CDI is still taking **load of kills in compare to the rest You know why? Because while general militia "fleets" are getting hounded by Gallente fleets, your little gangs are running around, picking off war targets who are ratting. Or better yet, not even informing anyone else in the militia that you have a fleet going. No one's going to get kills when you're hogging them all. Quote: 7) Twice we risked open war just to protect smaller Caldari corps which were not part of CDI (once openly declared war and last week we have to live with some later consequences) Cool story brah. Quote: 8) and honestly after Gavins act IBS was the only corp fighting in militia for quite long From what I've seen that's not true. You might be the only corp who has dedicated every waking hour to PvP, but you're not the "only corp". Quote: And now Vorlan, before you speak ** about CDI (or me or IBS) - how much you did in past 2 weeks for Caldari militia? Because we are doing a lot in past 7 months. Let's see. Been going out with fail fleets/gangs that place me on btch duty so I'm not on killmails. JOining fail fleets that refuse to chase the war targets out of Tama. I've been working on trying to get the noobs who you all on your pedestals seem to have forgotten about out and about so they can experience some PvP. Overall, I've been working to help get general militia* and not some clique together so they can have some fun. Quote: Honestly I am not reacting just because of me, because I dont give a ** for this, but there are quite lot of good people behind these projects and they hard working to rebuild things we kinda believe in. So if you have any personal problem convo me in game and lets speak about it and stop spiting on work of these good people. Those who profess not to care - and yet reply - do in fact care. Just figured I'd let you in on that. Second, the only "good person" who's worked for the militia has been Gunny. I had respect for you, but after watching you guys for the past two weeks, I've lost it. And I'll be disappointed in Gunny if he follows the same route as you. Eventually, you'll alienate so much of the militia with your selfish antics that the only people that will be left are CDI and the spies. It gets pretty lonely at that point. Quote: fleet warfare? this topic has nothing to do with fleet warfare.... Quoting your OP: Quote: AND PLEASE FIRE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR FW DEVELOPMENT AS THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY OUT. MILITIA WDECK MECHANICS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES NOT SOLVED FOR LAST 2 YEARS!** First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
praznimrak Gallente Level Up	Posted - 2010.06.16 22:39:00 - [69] I coud not belive it did took me so long to write this... FW SUCK QUIT IT
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.16 23:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Aiden Vorlan but after watching you guys for the past two weeks, I've lost it. Two weeks? You need to relax dude, things in FW take months to develop. Quote: Noob fleets who, if I'm not mistaken, must follow your rules as set forth in the fail thread you posted a few days ago. A "training program" that doesn't train them for true PvP combat, from what I have been told by several rookies. Also I just noticed this, I have no idea what it means though. What is "true PvP combat"? Really if you believe the brand spanking new, just-started, training program is so bad then why not tell us what the problems are? Or give it a bit more time to actually get off the ground. Quote: You know why? Because while general militia "fleets" are getting hounded by Gallente fleets, your little gangs are running around, picking off war targets who are ratting. Or better yet, not even informing anyone else in the militia that you have a fleet going. No one's going to get kills when you're hogging them all. It's kind of hard to hog kills. As for CDI exlusive fleets they are easier to organize and you know what you getting and what your goals are. Given that Hidden Snake does do general militia roams and has done them for over a year (CDI was only really put into place last month) I think you are sort of jumping the gun. You should also note that most of the CDI corperations have active recruitment and happy to get new guys. IBS is at the very least. IBS in general isn't into the good old Gavin powerhouse blob that used to run all the time, and that's OK, but it's kind of at cross purposes to complain that IBS or CDI doesn't run such fleets. Really I think you are just being too impatient and not hitting the right gear with which to enjoy militia. Just take it a little easier and get used to the dynamics of the situation before you charge headlong into a forum rant. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Super Chair Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.17 00:22:00 - [71] Quote: Quote: 6) CDI is still taking **load of kills in compare to the rest You know why? Because while general militia "fleets" are getting hounded by Gallente fleets, your little gangs are running around, picking off war targets who are ratting. Or better yet, not even informing anyone else in the militia that you have a fleet going. No one's going to get kills when you're hogging them all. Blobbing up usually scares targets away, and our "wolfpacks" usually refuse to fight, expecting run around and pick stuff off. It gets very boring at times, but thats the part of the tactic I guess. Sometimes I avoid fleets and just go roam around solo or with a couple mates and it's proven to have been more fun than some of those giant blobs where you roam around for hours without a decent fight. Quote: Quote: And now Vorlan, before you speak ** about CDI (or me or IBS) - how much you did in past 2 weeks for Caldari militia? Because we are doing a lot in past 7 months. Let's see. Been going out with fail fleets/gangs that place me on btch duty so I'm not on killmails. JOining fail fleets that refuse to chase the war targets out of Tama. I've been working on trying to get the noobs who you all on your pedestals seem to have forgotten about out and about so they can experience some PvP. Overall, I've been working to help get general militia* and not some clique together so they can have some fun. Really, I'd love to be a fitting insert unpoplar german political party here...stupid filter... in fleets and make sure all the field purger rigged drakes have been purged from fleets, or that tacklers have points fitted, or that gun boats dont have 1 laser, 1 railgun, 1 blaster, 1 autocannon fitted with shield booster and armor reps... Point is usually FCs don't have time to sit in a safe in nourv for an hour to make sure people don't have failfits, and when we do, by that time the gallente fleet we had intended to fight has already gotten bored to tears and left. We have intel channels for people we know that they know what they are doing so we can ship up quickly and move out of nourv to shoot stuff. It's not just CDI in these channels, I'm sure if you asked your ceo nicely he'd try and get you into one. Quote: Second, the only "good person" who's worked for the militia has been Gunny. I had respect for you, but after watching you guys for the past two weeks, I've lost it. And I'll be disappointed in Gunny if he follows the same route as you. Eventually, you'll alienate so much of the militia with your selfish antics that the only people that will be left are CDI and the spies. It gets pretty lonely at that point. Yeah Gunny is very friendly to general milita. At times though he gets fed up with failfits, people not alinging, people not shooting the primary when the tertiary he calls dies first and not the primary. As you may have noticed gunny hasn't been leading fleets lately. Trust me, it's not because he is following the secret treehouse club trend, he is just unable to play EVE at the moment. He will be back soon (TM). Also the last couple weeks most of our other FCs have been lazy, myself included. I've been seeing a lot of new guys stepping up and trying to FC, so props to them. Just chillax and be patient. If you are a good pilot, you'll be recognized and eventually invited to an intel channel. P.S. Chill Out
Isaac Avernas State Protectorate	Posted - 2010.06.17 03:06:00 - [72] Edited by: Isaac Avernas on 17/06/2010 03:16:30 Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Originally by: Hidden Snake fleet warfare? this topic has nothing to do with fleet warfare.... Quoting your OP: Quote: AND PLEASE FIRE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR FW DEVELOPMENT AS THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY OUT. MILITIA WDECK MECHANICS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES NOT SOLVED FOR LAST 2 YEARS! "FW" stands for Faction Warfare. Even if CDI only ever flew with each other and "hogged kills" (wtf does that even mean?) it would be perfectly fine. They don't really have any obligation to the general militia. Nor does the general militia have any entitlement to FCs or fleets. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how the militia is "supposed to work" (lol).
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.17 04:47:00 - [73] bro .... chill out ... I am afraid you are going crazy because of you are not invited to some chnannels (treehouses) BTW Gunny is IBS too (ie CDI) and is now out for RL stuff (we all have some). "There is no honor in war"
Useless1	Posted - 2010.06.17 04:51:00 - [74] Originally by: Isaac Avernas Edited by: Isaac Avernas on 17/06/2010 03:16:30 Even if CDI only ever flew with each other and "hogged kills" (wtf does that even mean?) it would be perfectly fine. They don't really have any obligation to the general militia. Nor does the general militia have any entitlement to FCs or fleets. You seem to have some bizarre notions about how the militia is "supposed to work" (lol). Very true. I remember this same argument when the gallente corps started the MDP.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.17 08:27:00 - [75] Supersekrit treehouse crew checking in.
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.06.17 10:06:00 - [76] Supersekrit crew checking in.......oh wait wrong side :) We got exactly the same stick when we formed the MDP, got accused of ruining the Gallente general milita etc etc etc, but tbh, Hidden Snake is trying to take things a step further by running his training programme and you gotta give him kudos for his initiative in trying to help the more nooby pilots (whether your opinion is its the best way to do it or not doesnt matter, the fact is he is trying to do something rather than nothing). End of the day, why should the general militia people feel they have an obligated right to have access to corps fc's, comms etc rather than getting off there arses grabbing a few pilots and having a go themselves. We had a situation the other night where people were moaning that there were no fleets up, so i left our corp fleet and asked for x's in the militia channel but asking for at least a couple of people with mics to act as scouts - amazing how many people had headsets with broken mics, or it was with there other computer etc etc etc. SoTF tried through a couple of alt corps on the Gallente side to create a noob type starter corp for people but it just ended up being horse work for the people trying to do it so it ended up dieing before it got anywhere tbh - So if HS does get this up and running then he deserves a lot of credit. Theres nothing worse when running a fleet having to worry about whether people have there ships fitted right, are they going to listen to shoot the primaries called etc etc etc û it makes a huge difference between winning and losing fights. And having to wait eleventy minutes for people to re-ship is also a major pain in the arse, most of us want to log on jump in a fleet, shoot stuff and go to bed and not have to worry about little Johnny bringing his ship from system x and wanting to be scouted to re-join the fleet in his new ship 30 min after you called for re-shipping. So, good on yer for the CDI and good on yer for the training programme, ignore the nay-sayers mate and donÆt feed the trolls.
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.17 14:17:00 - [77] You know, I'm always harping on about how I'm new to this game, so my opinion should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. And I wear that like a badge of honor, really. However, being new to the game doesn't stop one basic thing from happening consistently in MMOs: When a clique forms in a guild/corporation/alliance/militia, it only spells trouble. I watched several guilds doing well in WoW fall apart because of cliques forming, and that was really the sole reason these otherwise healthy groups fell apart. I apologize to Snake and IBS/CDI, but the truth is many people have the same feelings that I do towards the idea. I spoke with two last night while hunting Gallente, and when I explained my reasons for leaving, they fully understood. There are players in the militia - myself for example - who have shown that we aren't spies, and that we genuinely give a damn about having fun in the militia. Hell, I was even one of the people who you said was a "possible recruit". But it does breed distrust. No one wants to be the "second string" players. And many people don't like seein that there's small groups flying around kiling things when they ask for hours, 'Is there a fleet up yet?' You run one, maybe two, fleets with general militia. And from the way you are acting (I fully understand that it is difficult and near-impossible to ascertain someone's tone on the internet) you are portraying yourself as a Messiah-like character who is somehow doing something incredible by lowering himself to working with "general militia". And I'm just going by what I saw in this thread, with referring to general militia as "noobs". Two cents, take it or leave it. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
kahhhhhnn Lovey dovey hug club	Posted - 2010.06.17 15:09:00 - [78] Originally by: praznimrak FW SUCK QUIT IT Confirming this.
Victor Dreadwolf	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:08:00 - [79] I am of the opinion that if you wardec a corporation operating in defense of one of the factions, that faction's highsec navy should attack you for the duration of the wardec.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:10:00 - [80] Originally by: Aiden Vorlan You know, I'm always harping on about how I'm new to this game, so my opinion should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. And I wear that like a badge of honor, really. However, being new to the game doesn't stop one basic thing from happening consistently in MMOs: When a clique forms in a guild/corporation/alliance/militia, it only spells trouble. I watched several guilds doing well in WoW fall apart because of cliques forming, and that was really the sole reason these otherwise healthy groups fell apart. I apologize to Snake and IBS/CDI, but the truth is many people have the same feelings that I do towards the idea. I spoke with two last night while hunting Gallente, and when I explained my reasons for leaving, they fully understood. There are players in the militia - myself for example - who have shown that we aren't spies, and that we genuinely give a damn about having fun in the militia. Hell, I was even one of the people who you said was a "possible recruit". But it does breed distrust. No one wants to be the "second string" players. And many people don't like seein that there's small groups flying around kiling things when they ask for hours, 'Is there a fleet up yet?' You run one, maybe two, fleets with general militia. And from the way you are acting (I fully understand that it is difficult and near-impossible to ascertain someone's tone on the internet) you are portraying yourself as a Messiah-like character who is somehow doing something incredible by lowering himself to working with "general militia". And I'm just going by what I saw in this thread, with referring to general militia as "noobs". Two cents, take it or leave it. Ah so you really are a troll then. My bad, I thought you'd at least take arguments presented and consider them but you didn't. Instead you gave vague examples, mad comparisons riddled with fallacy, and failed to point out real issues which could've then maybe been dealt with. It really is that you weren't part of some super secret squirrel club isn't it? -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Jin Nib Ah so you really are a troll then. My bad, I thought you'd at least take arguments presented and consider them but you didn't. Instead you gave vague examples, mad comparisons riddled with fallacy, and failed to point out real issues which could've then maybe been dealt with. It really is that you weren't part of some super secret squirrel club isn't it? You haven't seen me troll, son. If you'd like, I can show you how a real] troll operates. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
Hidden Snake Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:17:00 - [82] Snake quits the troll warz .... omfg there are more people working on it ... much more, just get used to it. You are just too fresh in militia. "There is no honor in war"
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.17 16:22:00 - [83] Originally by: Hidden Snake Snake quits the troll warz .... omfg there are more people working on it ... much more, just get used to it. You are just too fresh in militia. I would start here as a troll destroying the fact you are butchering my native tongue, despite the fact that I know you don't speak English as a primary language. I would just go to show i don't care. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Aiden Vorlan You haven't seen me troll, son. If you'd like, I can show you how a real] troll operates. Did you just make a pass at me and call me "son" in the same post? That's kind of creepy. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Draco Rosso Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.17 17:57:00 - [85] Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Emo Rage Quit Good thing this guy is leaving corp in a couple hours. /o
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Draconian Armada	Posted - 2010.06.17 18:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Aiden Vorlan You haven't seen me troll, son. If you'd like, I can show you how a real] troll operates. Did you just make a pass at me and call me "son" in the same post? That's kind of creepy. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
Super Chair Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.17 22:13:00 - [87] Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Emo Rage Quit Good thing this guy is leaving corp in a couple hours. /o CEO Smackdown!
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.06.18 03:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Super Chair Originally by: Draco Rosso Originally by: Aiden Vorlan Emo Rage Quit Good thing this guy is leaving corp in a couple hours. /o CEO Smackdown! I haven't played much EVE, but coming from other MMOs and being able to see good and bad guild leaders, I can safely say that Draco falls under the "Incredibly freakin' bad and lawlworthy" list of "bad" leaders. That makes two in that category (the other is from a pathetic WoW guild I was in that couldn't PvP or PvE). Not much of a smackdown. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2010.06.18 03:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Aiden Vorlan I haven't played much EVE, but coming from other MMOs and being able to see good and bad guild leaders, I can safely say that Draco falls under the "Incredibly freakin' bad and lawlworthy" list of "bad" leaders. That makes two in that category (the other is from a pathetic WoW guild I was in that couldn't PvP or PvE). Not much of a smackdown. Goody goody, bring on the emo. There's never enough whine to go with the cheese. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Aiden Vorlan Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.06.18 04:23:00 - [90] Originally by: Jin Nib Originally by: Aiden Vorlan I haven't played much EVE, but coming from other MMOs and being able to see good and bad guild leaders, I can safely say that Draco falls under the "Incredibly freakin' bad and lawlworthy" list of "bad" leaders. That makes two in that category (the other is from a pathetic WoW guild I was in that couldn't PvP or PvE). Not much of a smackdown. Goody goody, bring on the emo. There's never enough whine to go with the cheese. Maybe it's just me, and it totally could be just me, but I fail to see any "emo" in that post. First to fight for right and freedom, And to keep our honor clean! Semper fidelis!

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