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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 11/06/2010 15:22:15 It would appear Kaleigh Doyle has joined NeuroGEN. As this is an act of direct support of a corporation affiliated with the Nation her name has been added to the list.
Especially vile act as I understand she assisted the anti-Nation Coalition earlier.
*EDIT* Also, in light of recent revelations made to me, it appears that Jade Constantine do indeed belong on this list.
It as been updated.
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire. |

Declin Mactire
Caldari DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.11 16:52:00 -
[32]
You're missing Drake Arson.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:03:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Declin Mactire You're missing Drake Arson.
Maybe I have. Why should this person be on the list?
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire. |

Sofia Roseburn
Caldari The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Originally by: Declin Mactire You're missing Drake Arson.
Maybe I have. Why should this person be on the list?
Well he is Peter Delasangre's CEO, and he has been engaging anti-Nation capsuleers. If that's not enough to condemn a man, I don't know what is. --- |

Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.11 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 11/06/2010 18:36:59 This list will attempt to log every man and woman among the capsuleers that offer their loyalty or assistance to the Godless abomination known as Sansha's Nation.
Each and every one of these should never be trusted again, marked for their betrayal and vilified for all future. None among them should ever be forgiven, offered employment, aid or companionship.
It has been over two weeks since the last attack, and while the treat will always remain, for now it might appear the Nation has filled it's quota on victims. This would be the opportune time for any able force loyal to Humanity to strike and bring these collaborators to justice.
There are 143 entries in the list as of 011.06.112, 16 corporations and 127 pilots. The list is not complete and will need updating.
If you know of any Sansha collaborators not on this list, make a note below and I will update the list as I go. Some degree of credible evidence will need to be offered to prevent miss-use of this list.
Pilots: ---------- A. ----- Alexis Mercer Aries Darkstar Ariliia Acemoto Alexander Tesla Avan Sercedos Aodha Khan Ang3lic4 Anskelmi Lammenreuna AveryFaneActual Acer Rubrum
B. ----- BacardiDesire Braincandy bobrek Breekalles BruisedMoon Bubanni Bam Bash Brutalmeteor Blood Drainer
C. ----- Cynojun Cristinutza Crimson Midnight Cellman Budda Cmdr Zander Chereadenine Zakalwe Copine Callmeknau Carcosa Hali C Walken Commander Krispy
D. ----- Diizzie Doctor Carbonatite Daddys Mistress DeadRow Drake Arson
E. ----- Eulyis eddie valvetino emllik ECHAeries Emisune
F. ----- Faolan Fortune Finorah
G. ----- Gen Kumon GentleChaos Goshien Aiel Graanvlokkie Ghost hunter Gal Atan Go Down
H. ----- Hester Shaw Hellz Hitman HalogenWraith
I. ----- Izzychan Ilio Hae Icer Xx ihcn Iramia Oursta industrial oblitorator Isabella Khan
J. ----- Julia Varinius Joe Shooter Jade Constantine jdok JUDGE REAPER Jae FelSaen JordanParey JiaLei Lian
K. ----- Korinne Kytess Kaleigh Doyle Kyonoke Kuvakei Kenrailae Knot'Kul Sun Kateryne
L. ----- Lost Hamster Lillith Blackheart Lars Foolsbane Leona Armswraith
M. ----- Melleia Mandrid X Madelaine Maz'rym Mortis Noir Melleia
N. ----- Natalcya Katla Nick119 Nola Doyle Nocturnal Prince Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Niraia
O. ----- omarey
P. ----- PHPR Freighter Peter Delasangre Pritch
R. ----- Rear Infiltration Revan Neferis Ruby Amatucci Rogue steel Raptor GUN retcar
S. ----- Servus Liber Sven Stellanoskovich Samantha Vosh Skippermonkey Skjordr Longfang Scopique Solomar Espersei S'jet Hardukar
T. ----- Tofus Tzujira Dawase Traxata t L tee wrecks Tri Vetla Taliya Valkorva Taurin Letonil
U. ----- Unit Zachary
V. ----- Victoria Stecker Venariel Viktor Javious Valzier
W. ----- WizWaz Weynard
X. ----- Xavier Fate
Y. ----- Yukiko Yoshida (Deceased) Yo****e McLulzypants
Z. ----- Zeta Gabriel
(0-9). ----- 5ansha Kuvakei
I am not a supporter of Sansha's Nation and your list is a farce. If you want to justify aggression against the Free Captains then try something else.
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2010.06.11 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I am not a supporter of Sansha's Nation and your list is a farce. If you want to justify aggression against the Free Captains then try something else.
Well that didn't take long. No need to quote the whole list though. --- |

Valdezi
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.11 23:36:00 -
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It's still the shortest Jade Constantine post of all time.
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine I am not a supporter of Sansha's Nation and your list is a farce. If you want to justify aggression against the Free Captains then try something else.
My list is neither a farce nor agression towards your alliance in particular. It is a public information dump trying to list everyone who have aided the Nation in some way, and your name was added to the list recently in light of evidence provided that you have done more to aid the Nation than hinder them.
Having said that, if you wish to defend yourself and inform me of why your name should be removed, you are free to do so at any time; I'm trying to keep this list accurate and false entires do not help in that regard.
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire. |

Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 01:41:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
My list is neither a farce nor agression towards your alliance in particular. It is a public information dump trying to list everyone who have aided the Nation in some way, and your name was added to the list recently in light of evidence provided that you have done more to aid the Nation than hinder them.
Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how wardeccing the prominent Sansha-supporting capsuleer corps to allow my comrades amongst the free captains to eliminate their agents in space counts as aiding the Nation?
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Lady Sylvanna
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:32:00 -
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If I still had it in me to be sentimental I might almost feel left out here. Please add me to the list, as I take pride in serving the Nation. __________
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
My list is neither a farce nor agression towards your alliance in particular. It is a public information dump trying to list everyone who have aided the Nation in some way, and your name was added to the list recently in light of evidence provided that you have done more to aid the Nation than hinder them.
Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how wardeccing the prominent Sansha-supporting capsuleer corps to allow my comrades amongst the free captains to eliminate their agents in space counts as aiding the Nation?
To my knowledge, we incurred no losses and with two notable exceptions, never encountered the Star Fraction attempting to interdict us. This may be incorrect, I speak only from my experience.
Related, did Mr. Heartstone have an accompanying battlegroup when he sought to expose and pin down my Widow-class? I could not figure out his objective when there were no Star Fraction forces nearby to aid him. ______
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Jalenar Frost
Gallente CryoCycle
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Posted - 2010.06.12 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 11/06/2010 15:22:15 It would appear Kaleigh Doyle has joined NeuroGEN. As this is an act of direct support of a corporation affiliated with the Nation her name has been added to the list.
I am restricted from saying more, but it is quite innappropriate to list Kaleigh Doyle as an unredeemable supporter of Sansha, if she can even be considered to be one at all (Corporate affiliations are not everything).
Of course, It's all about me. |

Koronakesh
Amarr DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
My list is neither a farce nor agression towards your alliance in particular. It is a public information dump trying to list everyone who have aided the Nation in some way, and your name was added to the list recently in light of evidence provided that you have done more to aid the Nation than hinder them.
Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how wardeccing the prominent Sansha-supporting capsuleer corps to allow my comrades amongst the free captains to eliminate their agents in space counts as aiding the Nation?
To my knowledge, we incurred no losses and with two notable exceptions, never encountered the Star Fraction attempting to interdict us. This may be incorrect, I speak only from my experience.
Related, did Mr. Heartstone have an accompanying battlegroup when he sought to expose and pin down my Widow-class? I could not figure out his objective when there were no Star Fraction forces nearby to aid him.
He didn't. And Miss Kyriel's statement that the Fraction assists Nation is somewhat ridiculous, if not outright idiotic.
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Goshien Aiel
Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.12 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
My list is neither a farce nor agression towards your alliance in particular. It is a public information dump trying to list everyone who have aided the Nation in some way, and your name was added to the list recently in light of evidence provided that you have done more to aid the Nation than hinder them.
Perhaps you'd like to explain to me how wardeccing the prominent Sansha-supporting capsuleer corps to allow my comrades amongst the free captains to eliminate their agents in space counts as aiding the Nation?
Well you are helping one of them get off after a long day. Stress relief, and all that. -----------------------------------
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Koronakesh Miss Kyriel's statement that the Fraction assists Nation is somewhat ridiculous, if not outright idiotic.
The reason the list separates pilots and corporations is because I'm trying not to brush one pilot's support for the Nation as the entire corporation's support for the Nation. The corporation's on the list are the one's where a blanket statement of support has been declared for all, or one where the CEO is declaring support for the Nation, the nature of corporate leadership usually means the entire corp is then assisting the Nation.
The only reason Jade Constantine is on the list and SF IS NOT, is because while SF has shown willingness to and made direct action against Nation supporters, thus excluding them all from the list, Mrs. Constantine is directly related to a self-declared Nation supporter and seems completely unwilling to take action against this.
Ergo, while Star Fraction as an alliance should be on the list because of the actions of their executor, I am aware of the nature of SF's policies about free captains and other internal rules of leadership and this makes them the only exception to the list's rule, so far. To claim that I am stating that Star Fraction is assisting the Nation is foolish, I have never made such a statement and never will unless SF actually do begin assisting the Nation as an alliance. I see no reason why they should do that, to be honest, and thus remain positive no corporation in SF will be added.
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire. |

Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
Originally by: Koronakesh Miss Kyriel's statement that the Fraction assists Nation is somewhat ridiculous, if not outright idiotic.
The reason the list separates pilots and corporations is because I'm trying not to brush one pilot's support for the Nation as the entire corporation's support for the Nation. The corporation's on the list are the one's where a blanket statement of support has been declared for all, or one where the CEO is declaring support for the Nation, the nature of corporate leadership usually means the entire corp is then assisting the Nation.
The only reason Jade Constantine is on the list and SF IS NOT, is because while SF has shown willingness to and made direct action against Nation supporters, thus excluding them all from the list, Mrs. Constantine is directly related to a self-declared Nation supporter and seems completely unwilling to take action against this.
Ergo, while Star Fraction as an alliance should be on the list because of the actions of their executor, I am aware of the nature of SF's policies about free captains and other internal rules of leadership and this makes them the only exception to the list's rule, so far. To claim that I am stating that Star Fraction is assisting the Nation is foolish, I have never made such a statement and never will unless SF actually do begin assisting the Nation as an alliance. I see no reason why they should do that, to be honest, and thus remain positive no corporation in SF will be added.
Just goes to show that an Amarrian Nationalist can never be trusted to organize such lists since you have absolutely no appreciation or support of the notion of individual sovereignty. You are as bad as the Nation True Slaves Jesmine Kyriel. Which is much the same as I've said about Amarrian Nationalist slavers throughout this business. No slaver has a right to criticise the slavery of the Nation.
As I said your list is a farce and you are deceitful pawn of regressive hierarchy.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine is not a supporter of Sansha's Nation and the inclusion of her name on your list is abuse of its intent pure and simple.
I would suggest you provide concrete evidence or remove her name. If slander and innuendo based on personal relationships is to count as evidence then it reduces your list to the status of a Gallentean gutter trash celebrity periodical with the validity of the list made the equivalent of a running commentary on a holo-queen's latest upper-torso body-modifications.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jesmine Kyriel on 12/06/2010 15:44:31
Originally by: Jade Constantine Just goes to show that an Amarrian Nationalist can never be trusted to organize such lists since you have absolutely no appreciation or support of the notion of individual sovereignty. You are as bad as the Nation True Slaves Jesmine Kyriel. Which is much the same as I've said about Amarrian Nationalist slavers throughout this business. No slaver has a right to criticise the slavery of the Nation.
As I said your list is a farce and you are deceitful pawn of regressive hierarchy.
Your name was added to the list previously after a conversation that informed me of the need. I asked for proof so as not to add people to the list for no good reason. After going through the posts linked to me and considering the claims going back and forth I decided the claim to add your name was resonable, and did so.
After your rebuttal of this action I went back to read it again, something that took quite a bit of time trying to make sense of the constant back-and-forth arguing.
What became clear however, is that while SF was opposed to the Nation as an alliance, you, as an individual, were not that dedicated. Would it really kill you to at least question Mrs. Neferis about her actions and possibly pursuading her to abandon her foolish support for the Nation?
You are in support of a woman who has declared her support for the Nation, and this you do on a personal level. Yuor alliance is in opposition to the Nation, so they have not been added. It's that simple.
Anyone else who desire to read the tread where this is gathered, the link is here.
*EDIT* I'm sorry, I completely forgot; Mrs. Constantine, if you would explain the sircumstance in your relationship with Mrs. Neferis, if you believe I've made a great error, I am more than able to listen en re-evaluate my position if needed. I'm not infallible, so making errors is quite possible. If there is anything I should know regarding your position, feel free to enlighten me.
_________________________ Reformist holder, loyal to House Kyriel and the Amarrian Empire. |

Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
*EDIT* I'm sorry, I completely forgot; Mrs. Constantine, if you would explain the sircumstance in your relationship with Mrs. Neferis, if you believe I've made a great error, I am more than able to listen en re-evaluate my position if needed. I'm not infallible, so making errors is quite possible. If there is anything I should know regarding your position, feel free to enlighten me.
I don't care what you do or say. As an Amarrian Nationalist you are liar by default. Your list is a farce and I'm quite glad this interchange has given the opportunity to reveal it as such. As a slaver you have no right or moral position to criticise Sansha's Nation since your own people utilize precisely the same ideology and much of the same technology to support their own empire on the misery of enslaved victims.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:31:00 -
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So this is what it comes to.
'Sansha supporter' is now the new 'pirate' when it comes to political smearing and meaningless insult.
Just as it so often didn't matter if someone really was a 'pirate' or not, so now, in the latest odious moral panic whipped up by dubiously self-designated mob-leaders, it doesn't really matter if someone actually is a 'Sansha supporter' or not.
It's just another baseless accusation to throw at political enemies.
I find it sad that the almost crazed hue and cry over the Sansha's Nation incursions has come to this but I'm not altogether surprised.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |

Lillith Blackheart
NeuroGEN
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Posted - 2010.06.12 16:55:00 -
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As amusing as this all is, I find it unfathomable that people wonder why it is we have left all of this nonsense behind.
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Muck Raker
Gallente Gutter Press
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Posted - 2010.06.12 17:30:00 -
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This is interesting!
But what was Myxx's secret agenda in naming Capt. Constantine?
Was it an attempt to distract attention from Sansha operations? Was it an attempt to make someone else look bad? Was it an attempt to stir things for Myxx's own amusement? Was Myxx paid to do this? And by who?
Who knows?
Rumours! Wars! Rumours of wars! Wars of rumours! |

Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.12 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Muck Raker This is interesting!
But what was Myxx's secret agenda in naming Capt. Constantine?
Was it an attempt to distract attention from Sansha operations? Was it an attempt to make someone else look bad? Was it an attempt to stir things for Myxx's own amusement? Was Myxx paid to do this? And by who?
Who knows?
*facepalms* You aren't even worth the time to reply to. I have bigger issues to deal with than you.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Information Operations
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Posted - 2010.06.12 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 12/06/2010 17:59:28
Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel
*EDIT* I'm sorry, I completely forgot; Mrs. Constantine, if you would explain the sircumstance in your relationship with Mrs. Neferis, if you believe I've made a great error, I am more than able to listen en re-evaluate my position if needed. I'm not infallible, so making errors is quite possible. If there is anything I should know regarding your position, feel free to enlighten me.
I don't care what you do or say. As an Amarrian Nationalist you are liar by default. Your list is a farce and I'm quite glad this interchange has given the opportunity to reveal it as such. As a slaver you have no right or moral position to criticise Sansha's Nation since your own people utilize precisely the same ideology and much of the same technology to support their own empire on the misery of enslaved victims.
Perhaps it would be just to describe you as a Sansha Supporter because of your support of Slavery in the Amarrian empire? Or would that be ridiculous? Perhaps I should demand that you foreswear the regressive practise of slavery for faux-religious purposes or name you a handmaiden of Sansha.
Tsk Tsk Jade, I thought you were better then to simply launch Ad Hominom strawman attacks against people, if anything this simply strengthens the argument against you.
come clean If you come clean with your unsavorly, and frankly, hypocritical relations with the Blood Raiders, I'm sure Ms. Kyriel would have no trouble removing you from the list.
denounceBut simply attacking her as a person? Thats petty, petty to the point where I'd question whether or not you are fit to lead Star Fraction. How can you claim your ideals mean anything when your wife is a walking violation of them? How hypocritical is that?
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C Walken
Order of the Chaotic Sewn Together Wrong
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Posted - 2010.06.13 05:48:00 -
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We have no love for the Nation and only briefly offered them support when it coincided with our own agenda. Be that as it may, if anyone wishes to add us to their list of enemies, I won't complain.
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Muck Raker
Gallente Gutter Press
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Posted - 2010.06.13 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Muck Raker But what was Myxx's secret agenda in naming Capt. Constantine?
*facepalms* You aren't even worth the time to reply to. I have bigger issues to deal with than you.
Bigger issues?
Like, perhaps your secret paymaster being displeased at the results?
Rumours! Wars! Rumours of wars! Wars of rumours! |

Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.14 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 14/06/2010 18:22:17
I agree that Jade Constantine should be removed as a Sansha supporter, since there is no concrete evidence to that effect.
However...since she is involved (romantically) with a known supporter of nation and her followers, I recommend that she (and her Corp.) be listed as a potential and likely threat to operational security for the duration of the conflict.
That way niether she nor her organization are branded as traitors, but are instead considered pilots and an organization "of interest".
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.14 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri However...since she is involved (romantically) with a known supporter of nation and her followers, I recommend that she (and her Corp.) be listed as a potential and likely threat to operational security for the duration of the conflict.
By the same logic I say that since the owner of this thread is involved with the practise of Slavery in the Amarrian empire and a friend of slavers that she should be trusted in no way whatsoever in the fight against slavery whether it be opposing the Amarrian Nationalist slavers or the Sansha's Nation slavers since both entities are vile opponents to personal freedom and the sovereignty of the individual in this star cluster.
And I would go on to say it is quite strange to see you willing to hold your nose while jumping into bed with Nationalist Slavers to condemn Nation Slavers. I tell you know from the perspective of those enslaved by either ideology, there isn't much to choose between these fates.
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Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:01:00 -
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I would not support jade being removed. Being married to a known and self claimed supporter of the nation is enough, the legal definition of marriage itself is enough to have cause for concern.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente Information Operations
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Posted - 2010.06.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Syn Callibri However...since she is involved (romantically) with a known supporter of nation and her followers, I recommend that she (and her Corp.) be listed as a potential and likely threat to operational security for the duration of the conflict.
By the same logic I say that since the owner of this thread is involved with the practise of Slavery in the Amarrian empire and a friend of slavers that she should be trusted in no way whatsoever in the fight against slavery whether it be opposing the Amarrian Nationalist slavers or the Sansha's Nation slavers since both entities are vile opponents to personal freedom and the sovereignty of the individual in this star cluster.
And I would go on to say it is quite strange to see you willing to hold your nose while jumping into bed with Nationalist Slavers to condemn Nation Slavers. I tell you know from the perspective of those enslaved by either ideology, there isn't much to choose between these fates.
uh no Jade, what you are doing is again, an Ad Hominom strawman attack. rethink Perhaps you should rethink your strategy so that you have a foot to stand on and aren't simply making yourself look foolish.
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