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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.06.10 09:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Durzel If you sunk billions into this, knowing full well it was unintended behaviour, and failed to get out when it was obvious that CCP were going to react, then you don't deserve the spoils. How do you know it was unintended behaviour? Actually, reprocessing modules was INTENDED. They even changed the default reprocessing into something special where you didn't get all the materials on the blueprint list, especially you didn't get the capital component parts. So they were FULLY AWARE that people are going to reprocess these items. Besides that, the cyno-jammer translates into planetary interaction raw materials average price of 0,70 isk per unit raw material. Most of the currently sold npc items which are used and produced by PI (like water, coolant, robotics, mechanical parts etc.) are below 0,45 isk per unit raw material. So they are much cheaper than the cyno-jammer in comparison and still CCP thinks that this is perfectly okay. So, why do you think it was unintended? Everything points out that this was fully intended.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.10 09:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Gnulpie So, why do you think it was unintended? Everything points out that this was fully intended. It was possibly unintended as it was essentially rendering PI useless and was a ISK printing machine. I might also add, that CCP did say that it was a bug. Bugs usually are unintended for most software developers. Apply \| Sigs
Erich Herrmann	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Mire Stoude I think the GM in question told you to post here because they can't insult you, but they know the players can and will. Quote: It is a bug, not an exploit. You exploited a bug. I hope you don't mind that I put that in my signature :) --- Originally by: Mire Stoude I think the GM in question told you to post here because they can't insult you, but they know the players can and will.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:56:00 - [34] It was not a bug , it is just CCPs excuse for being ignorant. Somehow minerals and construction parts were not recoverable which indicates they were aware of reprocessing. And now NPC orders ( guidance systmes anyone ? ) just shows their incompetence again.
Dan O'Connor Cerberus Network Dignitas.	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:04:00 - [35] Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 10/06/2010 11:03:57 Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 It was not a bug , it is just CCPs excuse for being ignorant. Not sure if serious... Originally by: CCP Chronotis Hi Folks, There is indeed an issue where you can reprocess the starbase modules whilst they are still regulated by the old market supply prices and use those materials to manufacture other more expensive modules. This unfortunately was a timing issue with our transition to planetary interaction from old to new supply routes and as can be seen, was not handled in the appropriate way. For those of you looking forward to Planetary Interaction on June 8th, do not worry as these issues will be cleaned up and appropriate measures will be taken to ensure there will be a viable market for you. Those of you currently gambling on profiting from this error should heed that as a warning before splashing more isk here. Apologies for this bug and further updates will follow in the future! -Chronotis Apply \| Sigs
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:05:00 - [36] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 10/06/2010 11:05:31 EXCUSE FOR BEING IGNORANT
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:05:00 - [37] I know you're just trolling, but I keep seeing this "it's not an exploit" phrase being posted repeatedly. You guys do realize that, had they declared it an exploit, they would have had to BAN everyone who took advantage of it, right? They should have just posted "it's an exploit, but we won't ban for it, this time" for less confusion.
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Mire Stoude I think the GM in question told you to post here because they can't insult you, but they know the players can and will. Now that's insight! +1 internets for you, sir! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
Leslie e'Evob	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:11:00 - [39] Aww, did your patch exploit fail? Hey dude, I can help you: I'll trade your worthless pile of stuff for a stack of Tractor Beam I BPOs. I hear they'll be real valuable any day now...
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:18:00 - [40] I don't know what's going on but I am terribly upset about it. -------- All I want is a better mankind.

Spurty Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:29:00 - [41] Ccp don't always ban for playing the unfair advantage game. Go buy 3bill isk off an isk farmer and spend it on minerals, then make and sell the ships. Wait for ccp to catch up and check how low your wallet can go into negative territory. Personally sooner have read all about the Indy characters with massive holes in their wallet than what I see Herr. </yawn> Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid
oolk	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Mire Stoude I think the GM in question told you to post here because they can't insult you, but they know the players can and will. Quote: It is a bug, not an exploit. You exploited a bug. Sooooooo this.
Astrostoner	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:40:00 - [43] Does anyone actually care about the technicalities of this? The people taking advantage knew full well they were actively helping break PI and would ruin the expansion for anyone interested in it. Bug, exploit or burger bun, however it happened, I'm glad....
Cadde Gallente 221st Century Warfare	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:41:00 - [44] The bug should have exploited the OP! Oh wait.... My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
brakespear Minmatar Snowman Inc	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Mire Stoude I think the GM in question told you to post here because they can't insult you, but they know the players can and will. This, and bravo to that GM. -------------------------------------------------- 'people will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with 'welcome' written on it.'
Illwill Bill House of Tempers	Posted - 2010.06.10 12:03:00 - [46] Heh. Hehe. HehehahahahAHAHAHAHAAAAAARW! Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig.
gfldex	Posted - 2010.06.10 12:14:00 - [47] Originally by: Dreed Roberts Frankly I am disgusted with the way this has been handled. Please may someone else develop a decent space based MMO some market competition would be good right now. I would support this move.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.06.10 12:51:00 - [48] Obvious Troll - good quality trolling though. Its all about the timing you see. SKUNK (o)
Astrostoner	Posted - 2010.06.10 12:58:00 - [49] Edited by: Astrostoner on 10/06/2010 12:59:41 Edited by: Astrostoner on 10/06/2010 12:59:10 Originally by: Le Skunk Obvious Troll - good quality trolling though. Its all about the timing you see. SKUNK DNFTT
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.06.10 17:22:00 - [50] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 10/06/2010 17:25:47 it wasn't a bug and hence not an exploit (as con-notated here) it was a major design flaw: some items were completely off the scales and since the mineral compression nerf 3 years ago, the NPC-sold shuttles and afterburners - and let's not forget pos mods - reprocessing should have been considered. CCP ***ed it up like an Xbox-Live designer creating battle.net 2.0 - and now won't take proper responsibility by going taking the easy way out causing collateral damage left, right and center. one fail leading to another fail, the CCP way Ö Ç: no, i haven't invested in this. this entire PI thing is pointless as long as NPC buy~ and*, most of all, sell orders exist. and i'm done expecting anything "in the near future"... it's CCP - they won't do anything about it for the next 3 years - putting the gist back into logistics

Syn Callibri Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.10 17:54:00 - [51] D.I.L.L.A.G.A.F. -also- You were warned...welcome to EvE. (The views expressed may not be those of Blacklight Inc.)
Stephanie MacKenzie Minmatar Farsight Enterprises LLC Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.06.10 18:15:00 - [52] Edited by: Stephanie MacKenzie on 10/06/2010 18:16:05 Originally by: Roemy Schneider it wasn't a bug and hence not an exploit (as con-notated here) it was a major design flaw: From Wikipedia (I CBA to grab a programming book to correct your fail): Quote: A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways. It was a bug. HTFU. ----- "You want FIVE BIRRION EESK!!?? F U!!! TOO BAD!! HERE BOMB!!" Edited from Rez Valintine's original
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.10 18:21:00 - [53] Pity they didn't catch them all. You deserved it.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.06.10 19:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Stephanie MacKenzie Edited by: Stephanie MacKenzie on 10/06/2010 18:16:05 Originally by: Roemy Schneider it wasn't a bug and hence not an exploit (as con-notated here) it was a major design flaw: From Wikipedia (I CBA to grab a programming book to correct your fail): Quote: A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways. It was a bug. HTFU. cool... editing the important stuff out, arguing about semantics and spicing it up with a "HTFU" where do these teenagers alays come from during summer? - putting the gist back into logistics
Ekrid Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.06.12 04:32:00 - [55] Edited by: Ekrid on 12/06/2010 04:32:35 Originally by: Zartrader Op reminds me of someone who steals a TV then complains to the owner when it don't work. When the owner says 'get lost' he gets all self righteous about it. Classic. more like when someone steals your tv on your property, injures themselves in the process, then sues you, the only difference being at least CCP isn't THAT ******ed to allow the suing to take place, unlike laws in some places that help criminals sue for hurting themselves on your property. silver lining about it being not like real life there. alts are for people with a USD/life ratio higher than adolfs K/D in WWII. - Ekrid " i'll log my alt in and check if the station is clear". -Yeah, such a fierce carebear pirate you are-
Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.06.12 08:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Durzel Originally by: Dreed Roberts It is a bug, not an exploit. It was a bug you exploited. QFT.
Casmy Blue	Posted - 2010.06.12 11:19:00 - [57] Did you seriously think, though, that CCP would allow the essential destruction of the PI system by letting people keep the P4 modules (an endless supply of them, by the way) before the system even launched? I reprocessed a few modules myself, but I certainly turned them back into the originals as soon as we saw "broken X P4 item" showing up on the test server.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.12 12:26:00 - [58] Originally by: Zelda Wei Originally by: Durzel Originally by: Dreed Roberts It is a bug, not an exploit. It was a bug you exploited. QFT. No, it wasn't a bug he exploited. It was a bug that people embraced, there is a subtle difference _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:39:00 - [59] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Somehow minerals and construction parts were not recoverable which indicates they were aware of reprocessing. They could just have put the construction components into ramTypeRequirements so they are not affected by waste, it doesn't necessarily have to do anything with reprocessing. Maybe they didn't think of that.
Ferdio Ricotez Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:44:00 - [60] Edited by: Ferdio Ricotez on 12/06/2010 13:44:34 Cry some moar ----- EVE Pixelart



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