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Blueprint Seller
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:18:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote:The only censorship here is you trying to petition my legitimate offer out of these forums. I did not petition you. I made a post on the forum claiming I had petitioned you. It was an attempt at humour. You have made many posts in this thread claiming things that may or may not be true. Unfortunately without much humour.
I will not be posting in this thread again. I am not leaving because you demand it but because there is nothing more to say. I suggest you follow that example. |

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
96
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:31:00 -
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Caelis Boirelle wrote:My conscience is making me add that on the off chance this really is a genuine offering, I'd take the amount of flaming you're getting as a sign that you're doing something wrong. Go back to the forums and check how other more successful bonds are structured, go back to the drawing board and come back when you've got something serious to offer. Seriously, this.
Most of the posters here mean you no ill. They are telling you in the traditional manner of MD that you are doing it wrong. You should stop doing it wrong and spend some time figuring out how to do it right.
You speak of trying to build a reputation, what do you want that reputation to be? That of an incompetent that blunders into the MD forums attempting to raise money, throws his toys out of the pram as soon as he meets resistance and yet doesn't know when to quit?
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Kailean
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:38:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote:4. Extremely competent, as evidenced by my operating results. With 500M capital, I turned over 1.9B in assets at an average margin of 13% so far. Not to belittle your efforts, but calling that "extremely competent" is exaggerating by quite a fair bit. Come back in a month and we'd have a lot more stable (and interesting) numbers.
About two, two-and-a-half months ago I decided to try and see how far I could get 500M in six weeks. The first few days I turned over something like 2.5b and with better margins than you. Of course, I quickly grew tired of trading like an insane person and settled for easier markets where I didn't have to .01 isk all night (although it did give me massive returns, I won't deny that). Either way, anything below 2b is bound to not give a very fair view, to be honest.
My next personal challenge will be to see how far I can get 500M with manufacturing instead. These aren't really indicative of anything, since I'm a lazy person that might log in once or twice a day at most (these days), but it gives me something to do. I usually let an alt hold my vast fortunes (haha, I wish) while I do this, so as to not contaminate my results too much.
For what it's worth, I made 6b, give or take a few hundred millions, in 6 weeks; although I invested first 500M and then an additional 500M in Rykker's bonds (although the interest from them aren't included in the 6-week period), which left me with a slightly smaller wallet to operate with. This is *also* in addition to me building my personal pvp fleet by stealing from my own assets, so it's probably closer to 6.5-7b.
I don't think you need this bond if you're saying you'll cap it at 2b, to be honest. In 3 weeks time you should have made that on your own. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:40:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: Most of the posters here mean you no ill. They are telling you in the traditional manner of MD that you are doing it wrong. You should stop doing it wrong and spend some time figuring out how to do it right.
You speak of trying to build a reputation, what do you want that reputation to be? That of an incompetent that blunders into the MD forums attempting to raise money, throws his toys out of the pram as soon as he meets resistance and yet doesn't know when to quit?
I know that you guys mean me no ill. I am not trying to build a reputation of doing things the 'MD Society' way. I do things my way.
I will build a reputation of a successful, intelligent trader. More importantly, I will build a reputation of someone who always pays his debts, whether you like me or not. (Insert Lannister joke here) |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 17:44:00 -
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Kailean wrote: I don't think you need this bond if you're saying you'll cap it at 2b, to be honest. In 3 weeks time you should have made that on your own.
Thanks for your input, and congratulations on your successful trading career.
I plan on making much more than 2b in three weeks. My growth rate is only limited by my available capital
Although 100M bonds are not significant, they will assist me in exceeding personal growth expectations and investors will get their 15% returns.
In a month or two, I will issue another bond run with a significantly higher cap. Whether I lower the interest down from 15% or not will depend on my operational results and financial analysis that I perform. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 18:06:00 -
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Caelis Boirelle wrote:
Oh, and the spreadsheet screen captures were cute. Really made my day.
http://i.imgur.com/3jtl5.png :)
Bond is still active and accepting investors. |

David Forge
Forge Enterprises
121
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:39:00 -
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Listen, buddy, some of the people here are trying to help you. You need to revamp your attitude and your offering before it's going to get taken seriously. I realize you want to do things your way but you don't get to do that when you start. You do it the investors' way until you're trusted and you have a track record, that's when you get to do it your way. That might not seem fair but that's how it works. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:48:00 -
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David Forge wrote:Listen, buddy, some of the people here are trying to help you. You need to revamp your attitude and your offering before it's going to get taken seriously. I realize you want to do things your way but you don't get to do that when you start. You do it the investors' way until you're trusted and you have a track record, that's when you get to do it your way. That might not seem fair but that's how it works.
I appreciate your good intentions. I will eventually have a track record, I have no doubts about that :)
I always intend to offer interest rates higher than market. In fact I'm currently designing a loyalty program to encourage investors to take some risk, it will be retroactive, more on that in a bit
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Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
0
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Posted - 2012.07.16 20:55:00 -
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NEW: Investor Loyalty Program I will always offer interest rates higher than the average rates in this forum, even in the future. I am starting an investor loyalty program to justify the high level of risk in this investment until I build a solid track record. - The first 10 investors to buy at least one bond will obtain a Lifetime Guarantee on my future bonds - Lifetime Guarantee: This includes the first dibs on any future bonds I will issue. Once I develop a solid track record of paying my debts, and offer bonds with a higher cap and great interest rates, these ten investors will have first dibs buying bonds before the rest of the forum. - This incentive program was created to encourage the first few risk takers to make a decision about investing. You get great future interest rates, and I get to start developing a reputation. |

Eddie Laydon
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:33:00 -
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Seeing as everyone agrees this is either a scam or a legit offering doomed to fail I hereby lay claim on this thread!
So... what is up with nocx taking a dive in jita? Which one of you assholes is crashing the market again?  |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
679
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:48:00 -
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You forgot to buy a few of your own bonds with blatant alt characters. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
1
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Posted - 2012.07.16 23:59:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:You forgot to buy a few of your own bonds with blatant alt characters.
I am not a scammer nor a fraudster.
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Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:09:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You forgot to buy a few of your own bonds with blatant alt characters. I am not a scammer nor a fraudster.
I'm glad you cleared that up, thanks for your honesty.
Now, 5 bonds please, take my money!
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Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
1
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:26:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:Seeing as everyone agrees this is either a scam or a legit offering doomed to fail I hereby lay claim on this thread!
This is not a scam, nor is it doomed to fail, as proven by my operating results thus far.
When I build my reputation, the 10 investors who took the risk first will enjoy high interest rates, while I will be linking back to this thread laughing at the amount of sheeple calling SCAM and FRAUD.
Ever heard of the saying, if you want to be successful in the market do the opposite of what the masses are doing? |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
5
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Posted - 2012.07.17 01:58:00 -
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UPDATE: I have updated the structure of the agreement to 10M bonds to facilitate investor confidence.
Although 10M is not significant for me in terms of my business, I could at least begin to have a track record of repayments. For the Investor Loyalty program, however, a minimum of 10 bonds is now required (100M). |

Kailean
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.07.17 05:12:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote:Although 10M is not significant for me in terms of my business, I could at least begin to have a track record of repayments. Yes, because no scammer has ever started out by building trust.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
98
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Posted - 2012.07.17 05:27:00 -
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"General Melchett" wrote:If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
9
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:28:00 -
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Kailean wrote:Mr Bushar wrote:Although 10M is not significant for me in terms of my business, I could at least begin to have a track record of repayments. Yes, because no scammer has ever started out by building trust.
You do realize that everything someone does, a scammer could also do, and because of the limitation of Eve Online (and the lack of my ability to sign legal contracts), I could be trading bonds and having years of history of repayments and you guys could still claim 'Scammer'?
Honestly, if you think I'm a scammer, good for you. Wonderful. Thank you. Now, if you don't mind, I'm trying to manage a bond here, and not argue with thick skulls trying to disprove something I obviously cannot. |

Rykker Bow
48
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:47:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote:
Honestly, if you think I'm a scammer, good for you. Wonderful. Thank you. Now, if you don't mind, I'm trying to manage a bond here, and not argue with thick skulls trying to disprove something I obviously cannot.
There is no management as you have no investors and no chance of getting any. There are quite a number of likes in this thread and none of them appear to be yours. Take the criticisms and come back with a different character and a different attitude if you ever want to see public funding.
I thought this thread was going to fade away but apparently not. Be right back, going to make some more popcorn. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
9
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Posted - 2012.07.17 12:52:00 -
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Rykker Bow wrote:Mr Bushar wrote:
Honestly, if you think I'm a scammer, good for you. Wonderful. Thank you. Now, if you don't mind, I'm trying to manage a bond here, and not argue with thick skulls trying to disprove something I obviously cannot.
There is no management as you have no investors and no chance of getting any. There are quite a number of likes in this thread and none of them appear to be yours. Take the criticisms and come back with a different character and a different attitude if you ever want to see public funding. I thought this thread was going to fade away but apparently not. Be right back, going to make some more popcorn.
I already have a couple of investors, one of them is my real life friend for 400M and another is an investor I found in-game for 30M. They are both going to be paid with interest, and I am expecting more investors.
I will be posting my operating results later today, but as a quick preview, I'll say that they're very impressive. Not as impressive as your operations for Rykker bonds (which I've been following and been a fan of), nor nearly as impressive as Firefly venture capitalists, but I would say that for my line of business and experience they're pretty amazing. |

Rykker Bow
48
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:51:00 -
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With following and being a fan of my previous bonds you must have noticed the troll free and problem free results, even the first one which was for 3b uncollateralized. Why then did you steer away so far from the norm and doing things as you see how they should be? With research you should come across dozens of similar proposals like yours that ended in ruin and dozens more like mine that got funded.
I noticed that your post in the Cheeba thread you admonish Darth for trolling. That is what he does, both intelligently and deviously. Being around the forums for even a couple weeks should have turned that up. All this points to the lack of research and involvement in the community from which you are hoping to get funds from
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CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
41
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Posted - 2012.07.17 13:52:00 -
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How is this thread still alive? Can we finally bury it and quit beating it like a dead horse? |

ABRACADABSTRACTART
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.07.17 16:14:00 -
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See? What did I tell you? Don't poke them with sticks. You do realize you're going to have to start over with another character? It will be mercilessly hounded as well, since it will be too young.
Better luck next time. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:29:00 -
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Rykker Bow wrote:With following and being a fan of my previous bonds you must have noticed the troll free and problem free results, even the first one which was for 3b uncollateralized. Why then did you steer away so far from the norm and doing things as you see how they should be? With research you should come across dozens of similar proposals like yours that ended in ruin and dozens more like mine that got funded.
I noticed that your post in the Cheeba thread you admonish Darth for trolling. That is what he does, both intelligently and deviously. Being around the forums for even a couple weeks should have turned that up. All this points to the lack of research and involvement in the community from which you are hoping to get funds from
I did not choose to steer so far away from the norm, but I have to, because this is a new character and I just started playing again. I play for economics and trading. I'm going to get called a scammer and a fraud many more times until people realize it's the real deal.
I was not around the forum for a couple of weeks, but probably around 2 days. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:33:00 -
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CorInaXeraL wrote:How is this thread still alive? Can we finally bury it and quit beating it like a dead horse?
This thread is alive because at the moment I am servicing two investors, and this thread will remain with active updates for the duration of the bonds until final repayment. I am hopeful to service more investors, and I am confident that when I post up today's operating results I will start to obtain more funds.
I am fairly certain that there are many people here who are more than interested in 15% returns. I think a large portion of the 'resistance' or 'hostility' (which I am not taking personally, as I would be doing the same to a guy with a new character) is the natural response of "this is too good to be true, scam".
I am certain that once I provide excellent operating results on a daily or weekly basis to prove my high level of competence, as well as have several small-amount investors vouch for me, that more people will be interested in earning 15% returns on larger amounts of ISK. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:35:00 -
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ABRACADABSTRACTART wrote:See? What did I tell you? Don't poke them with sticks. You do realize you're going to have to start over with another character? It will be mercilessly hounded as well, since it will be too young.
Better luck next time.
Unfortunately, my existence is poking everyone with sticks right now. What's the chance that a new character offering 15% returns is not a scam? Not very high, I agree.
But I do not think any of this is personal, and I believe people will eventually start investing in 15% return bonds when the rest of the market offers 5 to 10. I have no hard feelings for anyone here.
I am not going to start over with another character because I do not, and will not, have another character.
My reputation is not tarnished, I have never missed a loan payment. What we're seeing right now is healthy skepticism, which will fade with time. |

CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
43
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:37:00 -
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Mr Bushar wrote: My reputation is not tarnished, I have never missed a loan payment.
What other 'loan payments' have you had to repay? A link with validating posts would go far. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:42:00 -
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CorInaXeraL wrote:Mr Bushar wrote: My reputation is not tarnished, I have never missed a loan payment.
What other 'loan payments' have you had to repay? A link with validating posts would go far.
Besides the 400M loan to a friend (which would not count for anything in here), and a 30M loan to another investor (for which I have mail receipt, mail confirmation, wallet receipt, and in the future, mail/wallet transaction payment of 34.5M), not much at the moment.
Finding investors, even for small insignificant amounts of money, is not easy right now. It is going to take persistence and time to get those first few investors, but when I do, and they vouch for me, it's only going to get better from there.
Operating results should come in shortly :) Waiting 7 more minutes for my API to update
You will see that amounts (even up to 100M) are extremely insignificant to me at the moment. The primary purpose these small-number bonds serve is to prove that I am able to manage a system of bond payment schedules and honour them. |

Mr Bushar
Myron Gainez
11
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:58:00 -
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JULY 17 MID-DAY RESULTS ARE IN
Trade Summary: http://i.imgur.com/YX8EZ.png Asset Worth: http://i.imgur.com/ant4L.png (** Not Net Asset Value, Current Liabilities = 430M) Cash Flow Statement: http://i.imgur.com/Dt6t2.png
Last two pictures taken directly from EveHQ.
In three days, I have managed to turn over almost 3.4B of assets giving me a net return of nearly 420M, all with a starting capital of 500M. This will only get better as my available capital increases and my trade skills level up. |

CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
43
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:04:00 -
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Something smells... 'off', but I can't quite put a finger on it. |
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