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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:45:00 -
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I am in agreement with the general feeling that nerfing level Vs was a huge waste and just ****ed a bunch of people off for no reason other than seemingly CCP can get away with it. I am very dubious about part of their stated reason for nerfing them, as I have asked level 4 agents in the same station that the level V agents are in for missions and have NEVER received a hi sec mission from the level 4 agents. In light of that I would have to say they are not being honest and up front with us.
I made good income, but not spectacular income from running Vs in hi sec. It takes a good deal of skill points and a huge investment in ISK to put together a ship that can passively tank all factions. (Approximately 3 billion) As one other person mentioned you need two people to do them in a reasonable amount of time so over all your ISK per hour is good but not great.
A previous post mentioned that CCP seems to want to push everyone into lo sec, 0.0 or a pirateÆs life and I agree with him/her. Storyline missions now frequently happen in lo sec and most people turn them down. I have done one of them and it simply was not worth the time, effort and risk. You need to take a mission fit ship into a PvP environment, take considerable aggro and hope you donÆt get scanned down and jumped. This is a prescription for death.
Things like Hulkageddon, ganking your corp mates, hi sec ganking carebears with a disposeable alt and having another alt scoop the goodies are becoming much more common in high sec and it makes Eve a much more dangerous place than when I joined.
They created WH space to increase the unlawfull area of Eve but have not done the same for hi sec which has a heck of a lot more people in it.
They have added a lot of measures to increase revenue in 0.0 for alliances and Corps but have not seemingly done much to increase hi sec revenue.
I am pretty positive that 0.0 gets more cpu time than hi sec does. The chances of a DC in 0.0 compared to hi sec are very lo. I have clone jumped to hi sec, the DCs start, ask in corp chat if they are being DCd in 0.0 and no they are not.
I have to wonder how much attention is paid to the quite carebear side of the world compared to the very vocal pirate side.
Are GMs so out of touch with their own game that they think they know better than the carebears? Lets force them to play as we want them to play not as they want to play!
Absolute power does corrupt absolutely and when you are a GM with godlike powers, in a corporate culture that encourages the pirate life I would venture that they really would rather have a world of pirates.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 17:54:00 -
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It is quite amusing to see all the pirates whom depend on carebears making a lot of the items they use, complain about them making ISK in hi sec, so they can make the items the pirates use. Can we boycot selling to Pirates so they too have to become part time carebears? 
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:03:00 -
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I did not mean to imply that only missioners made the items pirates like to buy, merely that pirates need carebears a lot more than they like to admit too.
--------------------------------------------------------------- You just melt down worthless mission trash to minerals and sell them yourself
Miners do all of the production almost.
Nice try though
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:20:00 -
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I still do not think this was a "bug". As I mentioned previously the station in Uphallant has two level 4 agents and one level V agent. The two level 4 agents "NEVER" gave hi sec missions.
CCP clearly had set it up so the level V agents gave out "hi sec" missions.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:42:00 -
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The only problem with the split for a complete set of sepearate missions in lo/0.0 and high sec is that the pirates would rarely do them as it would be too risky which would make them complain about the carebears even more.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 18:48:00 -
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Yes indeed, stuck right up beside a hi sec system, that is real obvious they were meant only for hi sec. Initialy there were hi sec level V agents, you can still see them in the agent finder.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 19:31:00 -
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Eve is "suppossed" to be a game that has something for everyone, not just pirates.
On a side note in my time in Eve I have noticed that almost invariably the rude, crude and generaly all around ignorant people I have met in Eve have mostly been pirates whom are intolerant of other peoples ideas and opinions. Whiners in other words.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 19:36:00 -
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Most wormholes have already been located and have pos's in them. Getting found in a WH quickly is common now a days.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 21:45:00 -
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It still amazes me that in a game that is suppossed to have something for everyone, that Pirates/PvPers seem to think they own Eve and that carebears are all wrong and should be gone from the game. Even more so that CCP seems to endorse this view.
Originally by: Julia Venatrix I reckon this is a dumb change, because the results it will generate are not good for Eve or CCP.
If lowsec was too little used, then generating new balanced content to attract new denizens would seem to have been a more appropriate solution. Particularly content that addresses the fundamental problem with current missions: that PvE fits are poor at PvP, but cost much much more than PvP fits.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.11 22:10:00 -
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I quite agree about CCP seemingly trying to tell it's player base what "they" should be doing in the game, not what they want to do.
Originally by: Norahb I know it has been said here several times already but this is just plain dumb. Why you devs are hell bent on forcing 90% of players to adjust their play style to become victims for 10% I just do not understand. I have a feeling that you guys are about to be delivered a serious wake up call. There is no reason that anyone has to play this game. There are other games out there and there are other ways to spend ones free time. You CCP developers seem to have declared war on your main player base. Let's see how much fun your pirates have when there are no more victims for them when half your carebears quit not because they are angry but because you took their main activity in game out of the game. It is just plain stupid.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 04:02:00 -
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It is always interesting to watch the very aggressive PvPers get even more aggressive when any one threatens their game play in the slightest. They get so "defensive", they also seem to have a hard time understanding that CCP heavily advertises Eve as a sandbox in which you can do anything. This means they endores non PvP activities as much as the piwates hate to believe it.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:46:00 -
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An interesting part of this thread is a reasonable number of PvPers saying finaly I don't have to go to high sec to get my level V missions/rewards. You never did, the level V agents handed out way more lo sec missions than hi sec. Plus there are very few level V agents bordering on hi sec systems.
More whining from lo sec gankers that really only want to gate camp or scan down people in PvE ships that are under a lot of dps and kill them. Hey it sounds like they are doing exactly what they complain the carebears are doing, killing ships WITH NO RISK INVOLVED.
Lo sec gankers are carebears, who knew. 
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 14:52:00 -
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A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Capt Decker Why in the world or I should say in space did you people do this "However, while that particular distribution bug was fixed, agents may still occasionally send you to a 0.5 system for a level 5 mission. This quirk is being looked into; once it has been resolved, level 5 missions always occur in low- or null-sec systems." I am a mission runner/miner in High Sec only. I do not go into low sec - why- because I'm not wasting my decked out Golem or other expensive ships by get blow up by Criminals who just want to run in gangs and destroy people. Not my ideal of fun after a hard day at work, my ideal fun is PVC and mining. So why don't you Tech guys get with your PR people and you finance people and send out a survey to all the players and find out which is more important to the players, making people move to low sec (where you have to watch your back all the time because some one else just wants to destroy you for "their fun")because that is where you can only find updated and harder level missions, or High sec were you can do your thing without having to worry if someone or group is going jump you and destroy all you've worked hard for over the course of 4 - 5 years. I pay MY hard earned cash like everyone else, so I should be able to play my way with out worrying about getting destroyed. I would love to be able to run level 5 and maybe in the future level 6 missions in high sec all the time. Finding out the answer just may make your bottom line go up and not only keep current players, but get a lot of new ones to join and stay around longer then a month or 2. P.S. Please CCP, get in touch and we can discuss this further.
You are playing the wrong game.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.12 15:03:00 -
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CCP promotes that in their advertising, do you have a method of giving traders a risk/reward ballance as well as they can make huge amounts of ISK with no risk.
Again you are trying to make people play the way you want them too, not the way they want too.
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Phasmatisss A very egotistical comment don't you think.
CCP promotes their sandbox publicly and heavily as a place for people to play any way they want. Yet you are telling him his game play/style is wrong. I guess some one promoted you to God while we were all sleeping.
He wants no risk in a game that offers risk vs reward. Quite simply EVE will not cater to his needs.
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Phasmatisss
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Posted - 2010.06.13 00:49:00 -
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It has been interesting that the main complainers from 0.0 and lo sec have been the "lo sec" people. The ones that like to be yellow and gank people in hi sec, the carebears of the Pirate world.
They want to gank people in PvE ships with no risk to them and are complaining that we don't like the idea. Sounds like carebears to me. 
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