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Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.06.12 20:54:00 - [31] Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Originally by: Vaari I have expanded our faihtuf and socialistic reckonig revolution to contain I-RED aswell. All faithful revolutionary fighters will now target your soft targets. Mainly industrials, unarmed ships etc. So you ARE a pirate. We are not pirate organization. Imperialists came to our home with fire and steel, and forced us away. Today our revolution will consume any and all who is allied with our oppressors. We are defending our homes. No matter do you command unarmed industrial or mighty dreadnought, you are still working against God. It is not piracy to destoroy our oppressors industrials. We are denaying their access to our asteroid fields and planets. Our faithful and socialistic revolition will consume thousands of industrial ships, as it is already did. we are the bane of the heathens, until they leave our homes. So says nearly every pirate in existance. We are not your oppressors, so to attack our non-combatant ships is piracy, plain and simple. If you are collaborating with our oppressors, you are our oppressors. Everey peaceful relation in Providence will bring invaders more legitimite claims to be at our homes. Thus you are our enemies if you do not withdraw your friendship form UK. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.12 20:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Vaari If you are collaborating with our oppressors, you are our oppressors. Everey peaceful relation in Providence will bring invaders more legitimite claims to be at our homes. Thus you are our enemies if you do not withdraw your friendship form UK. We are not friends of Ushra'Khan.. we are engaged in a war.
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.06.12 21:59:00 - [33] You are trying to get peaceful relations with them. If you are really at war war with them, and plan to stay so along with all other invaders of our home region, please tell me, so I can remove you from the target list. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.12 22:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Kazzzi on 12/06/2010 22:18:07 Originally by: Vaari You are trying to get peaceful relations with them. If you are really at war war with them, and plan to stay so along with all other invaders of our home region, please tell me, so I can remove you from the target list. So basically you are trying to enforce standings enclosurism? If I-RED simply wish to seek neutrality with U'K, you will set I-RED red on your 'target list'?
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.06.12 22:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Kazzzi Edited by: Kazzzi on 12/06/2010 22:18:07 Originally by: Vaari You are trying to get peaceful relations with them. If you are really at war war with them, and plan to stay so along with all other invaders of our home region, please tell me, so I can remove you from the target list. So basically you are trying to enforce standings enclosurism? If I-RED simply wish to seek neutrality with U'K, you will set I-RED red on your 'target list'? Of course. If you live alongside with heathen imperialists, you are supporting them. They stole our homes! You cannot live with them peacefully in rovidence and claim to be neutral. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Marrano Cardosa Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.12 23:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Kazzzi Edited by: Kazzzi on 12/06/2010 22:18:07 Originally by: Vaari You are trying to get peaceful relations with them. If you are really at war war with them, and plan to stay so along with all other invaders of our home region, please tell me, so I can remove you from the target list. So basically you are trying to enforce standings enclosurism? If I-RED simply wish to seek neutrality with U'K, you will set I-RED red on your 'target list'? Of course. If you live alongside with heathen imperialists, you are supporting them. They stole our homes! You cannot live with them peacefully in rovidence and claim to be neutral. We no longer live in Providence at all. And you are still a pirate trying to rationalize your piracy.
Albetta	Posted - 2010.06.12 23:26:00 - [37] This is as if your neighbor tries to burn your house down because your friend threw a rock at his kid, then, when you complain about it, somebody shows up and calls you an imperialist pig.
Elassus Herron Caldari Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.12 23:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Garreck Given the duress I-RED has been under for quite some time, etc etc As I said at the beginning, my intention was not to disparage CVA. However, Ushra'Khan seems to believe (incorrectly) that we are still active in Providence, or that we have some sort of working relationship with CVA. Simply claiming otherwise seemed insufficient, and - given that Aralis and LoneWolfNight have stopped talking to us regarding the debt in question - now seemed as good a time as any to provide the tangible reasons why we are no longer active there, nor working alongside CVA in any capacity. That said, I have no interest in smearing CVA about anything. I have provided Aralis and LoneWolfNight with the transaction logs for the 10th of February (when LoneWolfNight claims to have paid my corporation about 11B), which show that no such deposit was made. I hardly consider it a smear to seek redress in a public forum when diplomatic efforts have failed (we have been asking when LoneWolfNight would be paying us since December, and - as I said - accepted that the war in Providence would likely take priority over settling old debts). If CVA's pilots are unaware of their former Executor's debts, I can only invite them to seek a more transparent relationship with their alliance leadership regarding their finances. And Grr, while I have enjoyed flying in your fleets in the past, and have regarded you with respect, your answering my publicizing of a large unpaid debt to my alliance with a demand for a free carrier is the height of contempt and hubris. EH I-RED Shosho - Industrial Fleet
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.13 00:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Kazzzi on 13/06/2010 00:41:17 Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Kazzzi So basically you are trying to enforce standings enclosurism? If I-RED simply wish to seek neutrality with U'K, you will set I-RED red on your 'target list'? Of course. If you live alongside with heathen imperialists, you are supporting them. They stole our homes! You cannot live with them peacefully in rovidence and claim to be neutral. Well there you have it. All it takes is neutral/zero standing to U'K to become KOS to certain former Provi dwellers. So much for all that bluster about how Provi valued neutrals. Good thing people like Vaari no longer have any authority there.
Mametha Minmatar Bellum Aeternum	Posted - 2010.06.13 00:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Night Epoch We find it deeply unfortunate that a War has been declared without prior attempts at diplomatic contact. While U'K is fully aware that they will find I-RED Defense fleets waiting for them when this war goes active, let it also be known that we are entirely willing to bring this war to a diplomatic -- rather than bloody -- end. Yes, it is common for Caldari entities to claim surprise and indignation in these matters. The entities extract profit from slavers and slavery, and then feign surprise that the slaves harbour hostility toward that extraction. --- Bellum Aeternum, the blog: http://bellumaeternum.wordpress.com/
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2010.06.13 00:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Kazzzi Edited by: Kazzzi on 13/06/2010 00:41:17 Originally by: Vaari Originally by: Kazzzi So basically you are trying to enforce standings enclosurism? If I-RED simply wish to seek neutrality with U'K, you will set I-RED red on your 'target list'? Of course. If you live alongside with heathen imperialists, you are supporting them. They stole our homes! You cannot live with them peacefully in rovidence and claim to be neutral. Well there you have it. All it takes is neutral/zero standing to U'K to become KOS to certain former Provi dwellers. So much for all that bluster about how Provi valued neutrals. Good thing people like Vaari no longer have any authority there. Providence has never valued neutrality on matters of faith. No matter what Lor Aralis, or anyone in high ranking position say, we, the people have never valued heathen or atheist neutrality. Oour influence in Providence is growing. You will be riven out of our home in future. You simpy have no ways to defend youselves. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Lord Makk Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.13 01:16:00 - [42] Vaari, we don't care, take your church and stick it. Everyone else, we don't care take your crap and stick that too. Bring the weapons, not the talk. Thread should end here.
SpotlessBlade	Posted - 2010.06.13 01:21:00 - [43] WE COME FOR OUR PEOPLE!!
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.06.13 01:27:00 - [44] You made your bed. Now burn in it. Heartstone. ---
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.06.13 03:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Heartstone You made your bed. Now burn in it. If only the rest of the Star Fraction could be this short, to the point and accurate. __________ Multispectacular.
Marrano Cardosa Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.13 03:52:00 - [46] Originally by: SpotlessBlade WE COME FOR OUR PEOPLE!! We don't have your people, and never did.
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.13 15:28:00 - [47] Let this be an example for those who collaborate with the slavers, or with the fake Archbishop. I-RED you committed sins against the sons of Matar, and sins against the sons of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP). Those sins are to be paid with blood, and floating frozen corpses, and once your sins are repaid and you no longer hold desire to collaborate with the slavers and the Amarr institutions, then and only then we will let you be. Let this be a lesson for all, we, the Ushra Khan, proud sons of NICHUP do not forget easily. And to all those who follow the fake archbishop of providence, all those who actively support or supported the slaver regime, all those who commit or have committed sins against the Minmatar people, and to all those who dare to insult the sons of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP), we are going to get you, we will make you pay, for we are the Ushra Khan and we come for our people. * PS: Remember to buy the new and miraculous "Eau du Nichup" available now in all stations of New Eden. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
innot Minmatar Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.13 15:54:00 - [48] Region: The Forge Solarsystem: Not stated Nidhoggur class carrier Vessel Pilot: Captain innot of the Revenent Defence Corperation _Comms link active_ SYSTEM MALFUNCTION! 404
Albetta	Posted - 2010.06.13 15:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Black Necris Let this be an example for those who collaborate with the slavers, or with the fake Archbishop. I-RED you committed sins against the sons of Matar, and sins against the sons of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP). Those sins are to be paid with blood, and floating frozen corpses, and once your sins are repaid and you no longer hold desire to collaborate with the slavers and the Amarr institutions, then and only then we will let you be. Let this be a lesson for all, we, the Ushra Khan, proud sons of NICHUP do not forget easily. And to all those who follow the fake archbishop of providence, all those who actively support or supported the slaver regime, all those who commit or have committed sins against the Minmatar people, and to all those who dare to insult the sons of the New and Improved Church of Providence (NICHUP), we are going to get you, we will make you pay, for we are the Ushra Khan and we come for our people. * PS: Remember to buy the new and miraculous "Eau du Nichup" available now in all stations of New Eden. Pffffffftt. You know very well that I-RED has not committed any "sins". Ushra just thinks that I-RED is an easy target and decided to jump on the opportunity to fight us while we are busy in Geminate. Ushra 'Khan is just a bunch of schoolyard bullies who are trying desperately to disguise their lunch money beatings as crusades for freedom and honor and what-not. Grow up and pick on somebody your own size.
Shiomi Saitoh	Posted - 2010.06.13 16:44:00 - [50] Quote: And who pray tell are you? You hide your corporation and alliance, so I suspect your only fighting is done here on public forums, not in actual space. You can use your brains and find that out easily (hint: this is my main char). If you would have lived in Providence you mgiht even know it without searching. On the other hand I was only pointing out the obvious that from all the holders in Providence you managed to be the worst by far. If you can deal with it only by trolling back then I might have been even too nice stating this. But I must a be real forum troll with my 4 posts total
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.14 00:54:00 - [51] Albetta you would do well to remember that the "Archbishop" Necris doesn't speak for U'K, as much as we love him. John and I have had at with diplomacy and reached an agreement, John will speak for himself when he is ready.
Albetta	Posted - 2010.06.14 12:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Karn Mithralia Albetta you would do well to remember that the "Archbishop" Necris doesn't speak for U'K, as much as we love him. John and I have had at with diplomacy and reached an agreement, John will speak for himself when he is ready. Oh. I am very sorry, and i hope i have not offended anyone with that outburst.
Agent Wash Amarr Construction Cabal Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.14 14:10:00 - [53] Agent's Dairy Notes: Day 765, Its been nearly 2 years, I still cant for the life of me find these commodities called "slaves" that are apparently magically under my possesion, from what i hear people saying being amarrian means that its default to own this slave commidity, but i really cant find any in my assets, i tried to redeem items but nothing happens. I can only assume that they have fled to a galaxy where their presence doesnt create such focused conflict or where the market doesn't have a specific tab where their commodity is constantly sold. On second thought and on the other hand, i did have some homeless personel that I help liberate while on a mission through a sparcely populated lv4 sansha blockade. Unfortuantly, these rather suprisingly high in mass persons took up too much cargo space needed for rare alchoholic beverages found in a wreck, and so some were jetisonned to live indefianantly in a container floating around in space. Concluding thought; Does the mechanics of my spaceship, or any spaceship in contemporary soceity of New Eden consequently compell me to act in such a way, as can be seen as an immoral act and can be the source of much heated discource? Convenience over inconvenience, over war? -Agent Wash
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.14 18:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Agent Wash Agent's Dairy Notes: Day 765, Its been nearly 2 years, I still cant for the life of me find these commodities called "slaves" that are apparently magically under my possesion, Your alliance has admitted to using slave labor in the past. I believe your alliance did make some progress when they actually freed many slaves to U'K, which is probably the only reason Karn is willing to discuss diplomacy with you.
Cheiftan Minmatar Shinryaku Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.06.14 19:36:00 - [55] Quote: Your alliance has admitted to using slave labor in the past With all due respect, please site your source of infomation, because during my time in I-RED wich was from its formation, they have never held and avoided at all costs using slave labour. I-RED however did work with CVA and did have trade channels open with them, which i beleive are now closed most likly permenently. so the argument that I-RED supported slavery indirectly remains valid for that point in their history; is this what you are refering to? As for you Vaari You are and always have been and insignificant nuisance and annoyance, I no longer speak on behalf of I-RED but IÆm pretty sure my response to you if I where, would be to take your threats elsewhere and shove them where the sun doesnÆt shineà Freedom will come through respect not the barrel of a gun
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.14 20:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Kazzzi Originally by: Agent Wash Agent's Dairy Notes: Day 765, Its been nearly 2 years, I still cant for the life of me find these commodities called "slaves" that are apparently magically under my possesion, Your alliance has admitted to using slave labor in the past. False. Normally, I'd ask you to cite your source. But as no such source exists, there's no point. So please refrain from making blatantly false statements.
Kazzzi Amarr Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.06.14 20:54:00 - [57] Originally by: Kazzzi Your alliance has admitted to using slave labor in the past. Since my logs only implicate individual personnel who are no longer members of your alliance, I will retract this part of my statement. Serving the CVA regime in Providence however, is no less of a crime against humanity. I must say though, ever since that day in V2-V when I witnessed that I-RED transport bring newly liberated slaves to the Ushra'Khan outpost, I have held very high hopes for your alliance.
Sophie Starsparrow Minmatar Ddial Chan Annwn Annwn Matari	Posted - 2010.06.14 22:36:00 - [58] As have I Kazzi. As have I. I-RED's steadfast determination to break away from it's slaver allies even in the face of the prejudice they and those willing to work with them have faced has encouraged me, as have people like yourself and UK actually willing to see past old ties and willing to judge them on their future actions. The more we can make those that wish to renounce slavery formally feel welcome doing so, the more of a drain we can place on 'consequential' allies of the slavers, the better for those of us actually opposed to slavery.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.15 08:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Karn Mithralia John and I have had at with diplomacy and reached an agreement, John will speak for himself when he is ready. I am glad to hear this, John always struck me as a businessman who happened to make a contract with the wrong partner, not as a slavery supporter. If his organization did support slavery, I was unable to find evidence of it during my roams through their territory. If someone has such evidence, I expect I-RED to work towards repairing the damage. _______________________ We come for our people!
Marrano Cardosa Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.06.15 12:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Kazzzi Originally by: Agent Wash Agent's Dairy Notes: Day 765, Its been nearly 2 years, I still cant for the life of me find these commodities called "slaves" that are apparently magically under my possesion, Your alliance has admitted to using slave labor in the past. I believe your alliance did make some progress when they actually freed many slaves to U'K, which is probably the only reason Karn is willing to discuss diplomacy with you. I-RED (and the OmniFed that preceded it) has NEVER allowed the use of slave labor by its members. You are either misinformed or intend to spread a vile lie.

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