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Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:55:00 - [1] When is it coming out? I've heard whispers of it since I first started playing around the time of exodus, if I remember right..
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:59:00 - [2] No one knows, but CCP confirmed that it won't be released this year. This ofcourse is assuming you believe the lies, that such a project still actually exists and CCP has plans on completing it.
MysteriousForumAlt	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:02:00 - [3] next tuesday
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:03:00 - [4] Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:03:00 - [5] They've already had multiple years to do it. It's not like a fully-developed FPS or anything, just a few station environments and character models. You'd think they would've had it done by now... I've actually heard from a lot of gamers that one of the reasons they don't play eve is because they can't have their own complete avatar instead of a portrait by the way...
Qoi New Eden Warriors	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Selinate I've actually heard from a lot of gamers that one of the reasons they don't play eve is because they can't have their own complete avatar instead of a portrait by the way... Do you think those "gamers" would fit into eve? After all, it is serious business.
Emperor Salazar Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:13:00 - [7] 2 words marketing scheme
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Selinate They've already had multiple years to do it. It's not like a fully-developed FPS or anything, just a few station environments and character models. You'd think they would've had it done by now... I've actually heard from a lot of gamers that one of the reasons they don't play eve is because they can't have their own complete avatar instead of a portrait by the way... That's mostly girls who say that I suspect. Just sayin' -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Mashie Saldana Red Federation	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Selinate When is it coming out? I've heard whispers of it since I first started playing around the time of exodus, if I remember right.. Ambulation has been renamed to Incarna. The development of Incarna has pushed Fanfast 2010 to March 2011 so hopefully summer 2011.
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Selinate They've already had multiple years to do it. It's not like a fully-developed FPS or anything, just a few station environments and character models. You'd think they would've had it done by now... Yeah, except it isn't. It was that, back when it was called 'Walking in Stations' as a concept name, but since they renamed it Ambulation, the old project was scrapped and started over, because it was felt there'd be no reason to use the 'just a few station environments and character models'. The system was reworked, and at this point actually bears more resemblance to second life - including player content-creation from what the devs have talked about (queue trolls Destination SkillQueue raving about lies, betrayal, and how every expansion should be full-featured and never need developing further post-release). So here, quick status report: * Ambulation, the prject name, has since had the name Incarna applied to it. Incarna is the expansion name, as Planetary Interaction had Tyrannis applied to it once its expansion was set. * Job openings have been advertised for a new employee to 'Supervise the pose-release development of the new Incarna expansion'. * The graphics engine is basically done, as advertised at demos in fanfests. * A developer confirmed shortly before Tyrannis was deployed that they're aiming to include a 'Small but valuable part of Incarna in the Winter expansion'. Most of the non-haters seem to be of the opinion that Incarna should be out within three development cycles, give or take. So rough estimate 18 months. More realistically vague estimate: 12-24 months.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Rpeg Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. Personally I don't have any attachments to machines, so I would like to have an actual avatar(no a portrait doesn't cut it). It is common sense that it is easier to identify with a unique full body avatar than a mass produced vehicle. Also from my RPG forum whoring experience I can say, that having an avatar that you can customize extensively to fit the players imagination is extremely important to many people. It goes so far, that some refuse to play games, that don't allow extensive customisation of the character they play. All of this might not mean that much to many current players, but it will to many who aren't yet playing the game and aren't even going to try until this huge gaping hole in the game is fixed. For me MMOs are all about living in a fantastic world with your avatar, so a MMO that doesn't allow you to see or control your own is unfinished as far as I am concerned. Any features CCP creates on top of that are secondary to actually finally having a decent avatar.
V'hellu	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Qoi Originally by: Selinate I've actually heard from a lot of gamers that one of the reasons they don't play eve is because they can't have their own complete avatar instead of a portrait by the way... Do you think those "gamers" would fit into eve? After all, it is serious business. Indeed. Sometimes I wonder if the somewhat new eve players will jump over to jumpgate evolution after that comes out, since it advertises itself as being nothing like eve's snail-crawl speed skill system.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Rpeg Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. Personally I don't have any attachments to machines, so I would like to have an actual avatar(no a portrait doesn't cut it). It is common sense that it is easier to identify with a unique full body avatar than a mass produced vehicle. Also from my RPG forum whoring experience I can say, that having an avatar that you can customize extensively to fit the players imagination is extremely important to many people. It goes so far, that some refuse to play games, that don't allow extensive customisation of the character they play. All of this might not mean that much to many current players, but it will to many who aren't yet playing the game and aren't even going to try until this huge gaping hole in the game is fixed. For me MMOs are all about living in a fantastic world with your avatar, so a MMO that doesn't allow you to see or control your own is unfinished as far as I am concerned. Any features CCP creates on top of that are secondary to actually finally having a decent avatar. But the only real features they've discussed so far are creating stores to sell items, otherwise it's just walking and chatting. Its not as though you can see your avatar when you fly or when you change market orders. I'm afraid I don't understand, do you just want to look at an avatar in between flying? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:38:00 - [14] Edited by: Selinate on 12/06/2010 14:40:35 Edited by: Selinate on 12/06/2010 14:38:58 Originally by: Rpeg Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Rpeg Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. Personally I don't have any attachments to machines, so I would like to have an actual avatar(no a portrait doesn't cut it). It is common sense that it is easier to identify with a unique full body avatar than a mass produced vehicle. Also from my RPG forum whoring experience I can say, that having an avatar that you can customize extensively to fit the players imagination is extremely important to many people. It goes so far, that some refuse to play games, that don't allow extensive customisation of the character they play. All of this might not mean that much to many current players, but it will to many who aren't yet playing the game and aren't even going to try until this huge gaping hole in the game is fixed. For me MMOs are all about living in a fantastic world with your avatar, so a MMO that doesn't allow you to see or control your own is unfinished as far as I am concerned. Any features CCP creates on top of that are secondary to actually finally having a decent avatar. But the only real features they've discussed so far are creating stores to sell items, otherwise it's just walking and chatting. Its not as though you can see your avatar when you fly or when you change market orders. I'm afraid I don't understand, do you just want to look at an avatar in between flying? I think most people are hoping that they switch over to a game that's more dependent on avatars, such as getting (better) missions by using your avatar, or starting longer epics with your avatar, or simply doing other services such as responding to an NPC placed in a player owned store with your avatar. Things such as these would add to the gameplay. And yes, I want to look at my avatar. I also want to shoot things with my avatar, personally...
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Selinate When is it coming out? I've heard whispers of it since I first started playing around the time of exodus, if I remember right.. Most likely early 2011 or late 2011. And we will get a teaser taste of whats coming with incarna allready in the next expansion in Nov/dec 2010. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Amerilia	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Rpeg Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Rpeg Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. Personally I don't have any attachments to machines, so I would like to have an actual avatar(no a portrait doesn't cut it). It is common sense that it is easier to identify with a unique full body avatar than a mass produced vehicle. Also from my RPG forum whoring experience I can say, that having an avatar that you can customize extensively to fit the players imagination is extremely important to many people. It goes so far, that some refuse to play games, that don't allow extensive customisation of the character they play. All of this might not mean that much to many current players, but it will to many who aren't yet playing the game and aren't even going to try until this huge gaping hole in the game is fixed. For me MMOs are all about living in a fantastic world with your avatar, so a MMO that doesn't allow you to see or control your own is unfinished as far as I am concerned. Any features CCP creates on top of that are secondary to actually finally having a decent avatar. But the only real features they've discussed so far are creating stores to sell items, otherwise it's just walking and chatting. Its not as though you can see your avatar when you fly or when you change market orders. I'm afraid I don't understand, do you just want to look at an avatar in between flying? For a long time we only had Station Spinning, now we got Planet Spinning and soon (tm) we get Avatar Spinning!
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 12/06/2010 14:38:58 Originally by: Rpeg But the only real features they've discussed so far are creating stores to sell items, otherwise it's just walking and chatting. Its not as though you can see your avatar when you fly or when you change market orders. I'm afraid I don't understand, do you just want to look at an avatar in between flying? I think most people are hoping that they switch over to a game that's more dependent on avatars, such as getting (better) missions by using your avatar, or starting longer epics with your avatar, or simply doing other services such as responding to an NPC placed in a player owned store with your avatar. Things such as these would add to the gameplay. And yes, I want to look at my avatar. All they've mentioned so far are stores. its so up in the air that i don't understand why people are anticipating it. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 14:48:12 Originally by: Rpeg All they've mentioned so far are stores. its so up in the air that i don't understand why people are anticipating it. They've mentioned a little more than stores, and implied a good bit more still. Have a look at the demo videos linked in my post above. Yes, stores are the only confirmed, definite, absolutely iron-clad, stated bit, but it's not the 'only' thing.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:50:00 - [19] It's an upgrade to ship spinning. A welcome upgrade i may add. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Ti'anla Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 14:48:12 Originally by: Rpeg All they've mentioned so far are stores. its so up in the air that i don't understand why people are anticipating it. They've mentioned a little more than stores, and implied a good bit more still. Have a look at the demo videos linked in my post above. Yes, stores are the only confirmed, definite, absolutely iron-clad, stated bit, but it's not the 'only' thing. I mean, I want to know what else and I've looked but I've only heard about stores. I've watched the demos. Customizing your clothes, I admit, I don't find very interesting. The mini-game looks cute but again, I don't consider that a worthwhile feature. What else have you heard? I really don't think they can effectively integrate use of avatars with other parts of the game. I mean, dealing with market orders with your avatar sitting in the background seems unnecessary. Personally I fear the use of avatars is best in gameplay styles like FPSs and The Sims. Neither of those elements will be in EVE. I can't think of what else they could do that would really make an interesting gaming experience with avatars. Can you think of anything? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
V'hellu	Posted - 2010.06.12 14:59:00 - [21] Edited by: V''hellu on 12/06/2010 14:59:37 Let them get the ambulation (or incarna, whatever) out first, and then see if they add more gameplay portions to it. Who knows, they might start doing missions that require ambulation, such as hunting someone down with a rifle inside a station or something, sort of like the mechanics for SWG, maybe? All I know is I would like to have an avatar. That in-station game looks like something I would play often too, as missions and mining can get boring after a while...
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:03:00 - [22] Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:06:26 Originally by: Rpeg What else have you heard? Mh.. well, a couple of things leap to mind. * Limited player-content creation. - Okay, you said that mayn't interest you, but still. Plus we don't really know what they mean by limited, but they did at one point say they hoped it'd include making costumes to compliment an initially limited, default wardrobe. * The mini-games. - Again, you noted that. * Corporate Offices. Various sizes, but by default comprising a public lobby with customisable NPCs (ala shops and bars) and a space wherein corporations can hold meetings and planning (a long term suggested goal was the integration of planning-aids like controllable 3D maps in the meeting spaces). - Confirmed feature. * It was implied there'd be the possibility of viewing ships from the outside, like visiting your docking bay. * It was also implied there'd be some sort of agent-like system that was limited to being out-of-capsule. Like in-station missions or something, but again, this was the vaguest of all the posited ideas. * One DUST 514 interview stated they had long-term hopes of making Incarna a bridge whereby DUST mercs could meet directly with capsuleers. HOWEVER One thing they have stated firmly, is that, to begin with and to avoid the Newbie's-spoon-in-the-Allianc-leader's-eye problem, Incarna will not include any combat. But they also said it wasn't off the table for future versions of Incarna.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:03:00 - [23] Originally by: V'hellu Edited by: V''hellu on 12/06/2010 14:59:37 Let them get the ambulation (or incarna, whatever) out first, and then see if they add more gameplay portions to it. Adding a feature that incomplete is not a good idea. I mean, people complain about their expansions now. An avatar expansion where you mostly walk around and talk is extremely outside of the style of EVE. They would have to add real gameplay features first. I hope they come up with something. I wish people would tell me what those features are. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Ti'anla Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:04:11 * It was implied there'd be the possibility of viewing ships from the outside, like visitng your docking bay. I could've sworn that they distinctly said that they were not even considering this feature since it was kind of pointless after the first time of seeing your ship.
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:10:31 Originally by: Selinate I could've sworn that they distinctly said that they were not even considering this feature since it was kind of pointless after the first time of seeing your ship. Where'd you see that? The only, only time I ever saw this even come up was in an engine demo where two capsuleers visited a docking bay to look at a ship from below. .. Ergo, implied. 'Closest to actual text on the matter was when I saw a dev' say at one point they'd keep something resembling the current interface for those who wanted to be quickly in-and-out of stations for refits and stuff (or just plain found Incarna offensive).
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Rpeg on 12/06/2010 15:10:10 Originally by: Ti'anla Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:06:26 Originally by: Rpeg What else have you heard? Mh.. well, a couple of things leap to mind. * Corporate Offices. Various sizes, but by default comprising a public lobby with customisable NPCs (ala shops and bars) and a space wherein corporations can hold meetings and planning (a long term suggested goal was the integration of planning-aids like controllable 3D maps in the meeting spaces). - Confirmed feature. * It was also implied there'd be some sort of agent-like system that was limited to being out-of-capsule. Like in-station missions or something, but again, this was the vaguest of all the posited ideas. HOWEVER One thing they have stated firmly, is that, to begin with and to avoid the Newbie's-spoon-in-the-Allianc-leader's-eye problem, Incarna will not include any combat. But they also said it wasn't off the table for future versions of Incarna. Ah yes, i forgot about the in station agents. Then I hope there's more talk about that. That can have promise. The corporate stuff, I hope corps have interest in that. The possibility for future combat. At this stage, I think it's too far in the future. -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Ti'anla Originally by: Selinate I could've sworn that they distinctly said that they were not even considering this feature since it was kind of pointless after the first time of seeing your ship. Where'd you see that? The only, only time I ever saw this even come up was in an engine demo where two capsuleers visited a docking bay to look at a ship. .. Ergo, implied. I believe they said it in a demo before Apocrypha came out. They were presenting t3 ships and talking about walking in station. They answered a question about this or something to the nature, and pretty plainly said that they weren't even considering it.
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:20:18 Originally by: Selinate I believe they said it in a demo before Apocrypha came out. They were presenting t3 ships and talking about walking in station. They answered a question about this or something to the nature, and pretty plainly said that they weren't even considering it. Hm.. Oh well, we'll see, I guess. Oh, right! * Lots of talk about limited, conditional item exchange ability on player-controlled NPCs, enough to create rudimentary missions. Forgot to mention that, added it to the list above.
Selinate	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Ti'anla Edited by: Ti''anla on 12/06/2010 15:17:41 HOWEVER One thing they have stated firmly, is that, to begin with and to avoid the Newbie's-spoon-in-the-Alliance-leader's-eye problem, Incarna will not include any combat. But they also said it wasn't off the table for future versions. I wonder about this. I honestly think it would be a great addition to 0.0 wars. I don't know what else they would do to eject people from a station that has been taken over.
Captain Tavius Picon Fleet New Eden Research.	Posted - 2010.06.12 15:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Rpeg Why does anyone care? They've hardly outlined any theoretical features for it. It's all still so ambiguous, I don't see why anyone finds it so attractive at this stage. Indeed. Ambulation? More like Ambigulation! Zing!

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